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Dow tanks again, biggest two-day drop since 1987

posted at 6:13 pm on November 6, 2008 by Allahpundit
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I know what you’re thinking. But is it true?

“We’re a long way from the end of the economic challenges,” said Mike Morcos, who helps manage $1 billion at Old Second Wealth Management in Aurora, Illinois. “Earnings next year are going to be significantly lower and estimates are going to continue to come down.”

The Standard & Poor’s 500 Index fell 5 percent to 904.88, extending its two-day loss to 10 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average retreated 443.48 points, or 4.9 percent, to 8,695.79. The Russell 2000 Index of small U.S. companies declined 3.7 percent to 495.84. The MSCI World Index of 23 developed markets lost 5.9 percent to 925.09…

About 481,000 workers filed initial jobless claims last week, the Labor Department said today in Washington, exceeding the 477,000 projected by economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. The number of people staying on benefit rolls was the most since February 1983…

Earnings at companies in the S&P 500 that have reported third-quarter results fell 9.2 percent on average, Bloomberg data show. Analysts expect full-year profits to drop 7.7 percent, according to a compilation of analysts’ estimates.

Consumer spending was way down in October too, which means holiday sales should be in the toilet. A few of our diehard Obama-haters were asking in another thread why this very important news confirming that The One is economic poison hadn’t been posted at HA yet. Answer: Because my ignorance of finance is so total that I can’t give you an intelligent estimate of how much blame he bears. Those whose ignorance isn’t as total can do me a solid, though, by explaining something to me. Given that these massive fluctuations have been par for the course for the past two months; given that, per the CNBC article I linked, some analysts think the economic forecasts are dire enough to drive the Dow below 7,000; and given that Obama’s likelihood of winning the election on Monday and Tuesday, when we saw big gains, was upwards of 95 percent and had therefore already been priced in (mostly), what reason is there to believe that his victory played some huge role here? And what conclusion do we draw if it swings back 300 points tomorrow or next week?

The fact that the market’s been rocked harder than it has in 20 years in the two days after his election does seem a tad too nuanced to be coincidence, but we were already off 40 percent from last year’s high a few weeks ago and the long-term economic forecasts remain roundly dire. It’s not like there isn’t another trend that can explain this result. Exit quotation via Megan McArdle, a woman after my own pessimistic heart: “If the crisis is as bad as some people fear, Obama will have no magic bullet to fire at it. The very best he can hope for is a fairly successful process of trial and error. To the electorate, that will look like bumbling as Rome burns.”

Update: Pethokoukis calls it “an Obama correction.”


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How precious.

csdeven on November 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM

It’s obvious that the messiah has really sparked the financial markets.

rplat on November 6, 2008 at 6:16 PM

The Stock Market goes up, the Stock Market goes down. Who cares?

Speedwagon82 on November 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Bumble, baby, bumble.

sondiehl on November 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM

I know what you’re thinking. But is it true?

I’m giving them every bit as much of the benefit of the doubt as they’ve given us for the last 8 years.

Every last freakin’ bit.

thirteen28 on November 6, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Obamanomics in action.

Change? Indeed.

Have fun America!

Republican on November 6, 2008 at 6:18 PM

I love how the punditry are blaming this tanking on job numbers or retail sales or the auto industry. They can’t accept the simple fact that Wall Street is scared sh*tless of communists like Obama running the country.

fusionaddict on November 6, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Are are telling me that Obambi’s Hope & Change scam, and all his charisma, eloquence and handsomeness ain’t enough to turn the economy around? :(

poxoma on November 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM

So, who ELSE is looking at moving their 401K funds to tax-free Munies or some other tax shelter?

wearyman on November 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Thank you, Messiah.

You gonna play possum with the markets for the next two and a half months?

I guess the markets weren’t all that enthused by Rahm Emmanuel, huh….

Always Right on November 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM

Good luck.

To who?

One word…divestment.

Some short now, long later.

Speakup on November 6, 2008 at 6:23 PM

The market is drop is partly due to the election of Barack Obama. The fear of higher cap gains taxes and nationalizing 401k plans is in play.

I know more than one person who has already stopped contributing to their 401k’s.

On a similar note, it will be interesting to see if Wayne Huizenga follows through with his threat to sell the Dolphins now.

dugan on November 6, 2008 at 6:23 PM

I’ve talked to several people who have purchased safes and filling them with cash. People are definitely scared. Also spoke with several small business owners who will most likely be shutting things down soon.

bluejacket on November 6, 2008 at 6:23 PM

I said this on another thread, but worth repeating: if you want to change the direction of the country, avoid some consumer goods and put the money towards the good candidates we have for house and senate races. The sooner we start, the better our odds.

Vashta.Nerada on November 6, 2008 at 6:23 PM

The spin has already started.

This reminds me of the Freddie/Fannie debacle. If it had been the fault of Republicans, they’d have been hung up by their toes and charged with criminal behavior within days of the outbreak of the scandal. That Pelosi didn’t want a “witch hunt” when all that witch has done is hunt Bush, is immensely telling.

That Bush is still in office and that no one is blaming him for the stock market failure, merely trying to assign fault to this or that, or say it’s a coincidence speaks volumes about the economic reaction to Obama’s impending presidency.

haikusrock on November 6, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Once had money now no money = Change.

Firebird on November 6, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Hey it is change you can count on.

The dow can go up from here on out right?

The one is going to have the down at 13000 again by Jan 20. Everyone will have a job and the world will be a peaceful place.

I am not sure if this is sarcastic or not. We are in for one hell of a ride.

Brat4life on November 6, 2008 at 6:25 PM

So, who ELSE is looking at moving their 401K funds to tax-free Munies or some other tax shelter?

Yes.

illustr8r on November 6, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Hopenchange comes to Wall Street!

malan89 on November 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

The Dems tanked the financial system and business in America has been told by Barack how things will be going forward.
Wall Street hates a Barack administration.

SayWhat on November 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

Saw a listing of stock market reactions to elections earlier. This seems to be the first time it’s tanked this bad, but do not know the situation the week prior in those years…

Would be an interesting research project.

dish on November 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

The change part wasn’t a lie at least.

Chuck Schick on November 6, 2008 at 6:26 PM

I’m sure not going to help try to make the economy look better by consuming. My prescription: Debt retirement (including vehicles), then non-tax deferred investment (including offshore), with a little bit going to conservative candidates. Your retirement is on you now, so spend smart.

Vashta.Nerada on November 6, 2008 at 6:27 PM

What I really wonder is what stocks would be doing if we lowered the capital gains tax rate to zero

Keep dreamin’, brother.

malan89 on November 6, 2008 at 6:27 PM

…the long-term economic forecasts remain roundly dire.

Look at it another way…would the outlook be so dire if Obama hadn’t won the election?

flipflop on November 6, 2008 at 6:27 PM

csdeven on November 6, 2008 at 6:15 PM

left you a message at 6:02
on the other thread
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/06/video-fox-news-drops-another-load-of-dirty-laundry-on-palin/#comments

Bradky on November 6, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Y’know what you end the slide? Obama agreeing to extend the current capital gains rates that are scheduled to sunset this coming January. Of course the stock market is going to go down when a tax-hiking socialist is taking over. But too many idiots didn’t see it coming…..

IR-MN on November 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM

So, who ELSE is looking at moving their 401K funds to tax-free Munies or some other tax shelter?

wearyman on November 6, 2008 at 6:21 PM

How can you take your money out… tell me… that’s what I want to do.

stenwin77 on November 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Hardy Har Har, Man child. Even as my 401K tumbles to the ground, I will enjoy you taking the blame for it. Good luck with that whole “hope and change” thing, by the way.

anniekc on November 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM

I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that the market dropped 500 points the day after Obama was elected and another 500 points today. Of course it might just have something to do with the fact that Obama is against free trade, wants to raise capital gains taxes, dividend taxes, favors windfall profits taxes, is against coal and expanded oil drilling and overall might be the most business unfriendly president ever elected to the White House.

eyedoc on November 6, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Comment on your puzzlement over the market gaining on Monday and the Obama presidency already being priced in:

Over the weekend, there were numerous reports that McCain MIGHT pull a rabbit from the hat. This sent the market up since if he did win it would jump and the street was willing to risk a little to be in on the ground floor. When the actual results emerged, that potential upside vanished.

Add the lost hope of Bo trying to hold just left of center that the appointments reported in the press have brought and the weak employment numbers and you can expect a bit more downside.

OBQuiet on November 6, 2008 at 6:29 PM

I believe that by time he takes office and people realize what he is going to do, the DOW will be sitting @ 5K

ConservativePartyNow on November 6, 2008 at 6:29 PM

Because my ignorance of finance is so total that I can’t give you an intelligent estimate of how much blame he bears. Those whose ignorance isn’t as total can do me a solid, though, by explaining something to me.

Allah, the market is future driven, not past driven. Investors are betting their money on expectations of economic misery for at least two years.

Vashta.Nerada on November 6, 2008 at 6:30 PM

One and done, the 4 yr. Obama administraton.

ThePrez on November 6, 2008 at 6:30 PM

How can you take your money out… tell me… that’s what I want to do.

stenwin77 on November 6, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Unless you are very close to retirement I wouldn’t recommend doing that. But ask a financial advisor for sure.

Bradky on November 6, 2008 at 6:30 PM

President Dipstick wants you to knows that there’s no need for panic.

My collie says:

Just get out there and check your tire pressure and get a tune-up. That’s SURE to make the stock market go back up again.

CyberCipher on November 6, 2008 at 6:30 PM

D’oh!

I thought he said he’s make the “seas” recede, not the stock market. My bad.

BitterClinger on November 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM

He doesn’t care. He won. Please tell me when it’s safe to ungird my loins.

sherry on November 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM

This has little to do with the election.

The fundamentals are terrible and we are still at the starting point of a global recession.

The market often runs on sentiment but there is so much bad data out there it is hard to igonore. Ironic that people would suggest this is the fault of a leader who will not be leader for another few months and not the result of policies relating to an Administration which has been in power for the last 8 years.

The good news for investors is that since 1960 the DOW has gone up twice as much under Democratic Presidents as under Republican leadership.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM

he’s = he’d

BitterClinger on November 6, 2008 at 6:31 PM

I’m not certain that Obama’s election is the cause of the market drop.

I am however sure that it’s not helping matters any.

Gilda on November 6, 2008 at 6:32 PM

The stock market is generally a leading indicator of confidence in the economy and that business will have profits. Please recall that in the Carter years the stock market never broke 1000 and was generally around 700. I remember in finance and economic classes that we wondered if the stock market would ever go above 1000.

The stock market reacts also to news that that indicates if today is a good time to take what profits now rather than see profits turn to lose. With Obama guaranteeing capital gains rise. Now is the time to grab your profits and put money is less risky investments.

Thos professionals will get profits on the downside by placing bets on how low a stock will go by shorting. However that ability was removed by the bank failures and so the stock market is distorted. The stock market is still trying to figure out if the capital markets will recover or not. The credit swaps default s has not yet occurred because it takes time from the default to payout on the insurance. Then once those losses are calculated it remains to be seen if the companies that provided that insurance can cover the losses.

The two-day downturn is because business is seeing that bad economic news is coming with a socialist democratic government from the House, Senate and White House. This is a direct result as a loss of confidence due to the Obama win.

The stock market will rise tomorrow as investors hunt at cheap stock to buy since some stocks that are now undervalued. The market will remain volatile until the market can factor in the government instability on the bailout. The bailout is a direct interference in credit and capital markets and distorts the normal analysis. The market with this distortion is unable to determine if the financial crisis will get worse or better. So the stock market will be in a bear market for months to come due to the financial meltdown. Obama just increased the pessimism.

RAH on November 6, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Obama will attack it with government intervention. IT is his natural instinct. FDR policies in a world economy, yikes. The results will be even more dire. What will we do when we have no one can buy our debt because they are broke too?

Record setting defecit and, and the media will acll the the only solution. I appreciate now more than ever my dept being short on manpower. I worry less about getting the axe.

The downturn will extend for a long while. Cramer’s fix to housing is not a fix. Legalize the illegals and guess what? You have to pay them minimum wage (and they’ll unionize). What’s minimum wage about to shoot up to? I have not heard what the new minimum wage will do to hiring. If I have to guess legalizing iullegals would create a class of people that no longer have an advantage over an American worker, so they’ll just remain unemployed and need more government assistance.

Theworldisnotenough on November 6, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Under Obama’s economic and fiscal policies I’m sure our economy will at least match that of Cuba . . . isn’t this “Hope and Change” crap really going to be wonderful?

rplat on November 6, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Pethokoukis calls it “an Obama correction.”

Obama has the luck of the Irish. If this economic crisis had surfaced a couple of months later he might have lost the election and now the markets will probably be down so much by his inauguration day that they will only be able to go up.

MB4 on November 6, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Well, at least one guy hangs at least part of it on Obama.

flipflop on November 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM

The only hope we have have ever ridding the republic of democrats, leftists and obama, himself, is on the economic front. No other issue seems to matter to the independent voter; Card check, Fairness Doctrine, radical associations, it’s all too abstract for them. It doesn’t hit home. Only when they fear or suffer from a bad economy, can they be turned away from liberal politicians. That is essentially what put Reagan into power – economic malaise.

Therefore, we must hope and pray for the economy to tank and to tank as much as possible while he is still subject to electoral removal. The only way to sour the American people on Obama is economic collapse.

keep the change on November 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM

In the spirit of Bi-partisanship that they want us to adopt, I blame this entirely on the Obamessiah. He was supposed to lower the seas with a glance, and clean the air with his holy exhalations. Surely something as mundane as the stock market should be child’s play to fix.

Iblis on November 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM

DJIA was around 1004 at Halloween 1976. By January 1977 at Carter’s inauguration, it was 919, or a 10% drop. By January 1980 it was 785. It began to recover in the summer of 1980, as it became apparent that Carter was on his way out, and had returned to its 1000 mark by January of 1981 when Reagan took the oath.

Vashta.Nerada on November 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM

Looks like the only “Hope” I get is that there will be some “Change” in my IRA after redistribution.

djtnt on November 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM

This is just the beginning….

While I know I shouldn’t wish any ill on my country, I can’t help but smile at the thought of the drooling idiots who elected Obama with no concern for his political philosophy or record. The dolts who were dancing in the streets and setting off fireworks on election night are particularly deserving of retribution. I’ve heard people here in Portland talking matter-of-factly and to any stranger who cares to speak to them as if Tuesday night were some kind of big national holiday.

The best part of all of this is how the people who are most enthusiastic in their support for Chairman Obama are those who will pay most dearly for their mistake. I hope any union member who voted for him loses their job. I hope every unemployed poor person who voted for him because they want me to sign their welfare checks freezes to death because they can’t afford to pay the electric bill. And while I certainly do not want this nation attacked on its own soil again…. Let’s just say I don’t see that happening in a red state.

Sign of the Dollar on November 6, 2008 at 6:35 PM

The market ran up almost 2000 points ahead of the election. There is some selling the rally in the face of awful jobs, earnings and growth numbers. The October lows are probably in place but likely to be tested.

With the vix above 60 having consecutive days down about 500 doesn’t seem that crazy. There are bigger factors than Obama at work on the markets, but there will be plenty of time to blame Obama in the coming months as he starts to reveal economic policy. First order of business is for him to name a Treasury Secretary–Corzine, Bloomberg, Geitner seem to be the names floating around.

dedalus on November 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Obama has the luck of the Irish.

Perhaps his real name is Barak O’Bama.

keep the change on November 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM

At this rate, there won’t be any wealth for Obama to spread around.

PappaMac on November 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM

Obama promised American prosperity. He lied and should be impeached.

I’m going to enjoy giving Obama no chance and zero respect, just like Bush got from the left these last eight years. “Its time for the nation to come together and heal” HA

tyrfing on November 6, 2008 at 6:36 PM

So, who ELSE is looking at moving their 401K funds to tax-free Munies or some other tax shelter

Yes, wearyman, my husband and I have definately been doing some talking about that. We are in our early 30s. We have spent the last 10 years getting him into medical school, through medical school, into a residency program, and through a residency program. We have done our time and then some and should be able to reap the benefits of our labor. But that won’t happen now. My husband will finish his residency and go into private practice as an ER doctor on almost the exact date Oliar takes office. It disgusts me and angers me beyond words. Now I know it will take awhile for Oliar to pass all of these things, but we are going to be double effected by Oliar’s policies.

1. We will be making enough to get seriously penalized on our income taxes.
2. The healthcare industry and doctor’s salaries and autonomy in general are going to be radically changed if/when universal healthcare gets passed.

But my husband says he has always landed on his feet and will continue to do so. He has every intention of prospering while that idiot is in office. I don’t know how he will do it, but I am confident that he will. He has that can-do, no excuses American spirit that none of the Obama lovers seem to possess.

annetteharrell on November 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM

The equity markets respond quickly to new information. The overwhelmingly dominant piece of new information for the last two trading days has been the election of Barack Obama as President of the United States. We’re not talking about “most surveys say” or “it looks like an Obama win”, we’re talking about the indisputable fact of an Obama presidency. As a direct result of that new information, the market is down ten percent in just two trading days. The market is not responding to what happened in the economy a year ago or even last week. It’s responding to what’s happening right now.

If the American people had voted for capitalism (McCain), the Dow would have been up at least 1,000 points in one day. Clearly, electing McCain would not have come even close to solving the various economic problems we face but it would have reassured the markets (which are, of course, capitalist by definition) that the US still believes in free markets. Unfortunately for everyone, the American people have apparently given up on capitalism.

The equity markets try to anticipate future business conditions. They try to estimate profits going forward and stocks are bought and sold based on the various collective estimates. The election of the pseudo-Marxist racist Barack Obama proves to everyone with actual money in the game that things are not going to get better, that there is no hope that our heretofore capitalist society will be aided by the new president, and therefore money is moving out of US markets at a rapid pace as a logical consequence. It is as natural and expected a result as night following day. Money flow does not lie. People don’t play emotional games with their cash. They are coldly, brutally practical with their money.

What’s sad is that so many people are mystified by the market action. It’s like launching six or seven torpedoes into a ship and wondering why it starts sinking. The American people have been rendered so fantastically stupid, ignorant and moronic by the left-wing media and educational system that they can’t add 2+2 and come up with 4.

As a side note, I’m taking some night classes at UCLA. All of my classes are located in the “Court of Sciences”. Very few of the students speak English as a primary language. The large majority of the students are from overseas. We are educating the world in useful, hard sciences while here at home we obsess about teaching kids that it’s awesome and great to be a queer or to write a thesis on Noam Chomsky and get drunk every night. American citizens are almost entirely focused on destroying and tearing ourselves down while the rest of the world is focused on advancing and bettering itself.

It’s no wonder the American electorate are so fanatically moronic and stupid as to elect an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress while teaming them up with a pseudo-Marxist community organizer as president and then express surprise that the markets drop 10% in two days. The “American experiment” just might be dead and buried.

Django on November 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM

allah,

Given that these massive fluctuations have been par for the course for the past two months; given that, per the CNBC article I linked, some analysts think the economic forecasts are dire enough to drive the Dow below 7,000; and given that Obama’s likelihood of winning the election on Monday and Tuesday, when we saw big gains, was upwards of 95 percent and had therefore already been priced in (mostly), what reason is there to believe that his victory played some huge role here? And what conclusion do we draw if it swings back 300 points tomorrow or next week?

One the stock market is forward looking meaning it is pricing conditions in today for 6 months out. Second. the 185 rally in the market occurred when McCain’s numbers in the polls started to tighten and when the credit crunch started to release. Two good news stories at the same time.
On the day before the election day and the day of the election the reporter for USNEWS and Report was saying that the McCain campaign was in good spirts and thought it might go their way. This reporter is read by a lot of the market.

finally, The coal comments came out over the weekend and gave the market hope that it would lose Obama Oh, PA, Wva and VA. Since his election coal stocks are down 30+% that is all Obama. He has crashed the coal stocks.

If the market rebounds it will be due to technical issues like being oversold (i.e everyone that wanted to sell has sold and only buyers are left)

there is a very good chance that if Obama’s polices are put into place 100% we could see the DOw at 1500 by 2012. a 90% selloff occured in 1932-1942. and in the nasdaq of 2000-2002 bear market.

Right now the market has the following narritive. Obama is going to raise taxes, kill jobs, kill free trade, the economic news is bleak. There is no reason to buy.

If the news changes or if Obama governs differently the market may advance.

The Dow closed out at 9511 on tues during the election. We will be extremly lucky if we see 9511 again in the next 4 years.

This is almost 75% fear of Obama from the market. Check out the transfer of wealth out of the country. The rich are fleeing the US to tax havens.

If the dems get the 401k’s and Ira’s dow may close up shop.

unseen on November 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Proof of the failed policies of the Obama campaign.

mr.blacksheep on November 6, 2008 at 6:38 PM

That Pelosi didn’t want a “witch hunt” when all that witch has done is hunt Bush

haikusrock on November 6, 2008 at 6:24 PM

Nice word play.

Mallard T. Drake on November 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Look on the bright side, we no longer have to defend the President for the performance of the DOW.

rw on November 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM

I didn’t know where to post this really, but I had to share this with you guys. My daughter sent me this in an email. She and my son went to this elementary school several years ago. From the secretary of the school:

I just wanted to share with all of you what I experienced this morning.

Mr. Gross and I were attempting to raise the flag out front. We had not performed this task before and were concentrating to make sure that it was done correctly and respectfully. As we turned to go back into the building, I saw a number of voters who had paused, were standing at attention, and apparently had been doing so the entire time while we were raising the flag. Needless to say, I had a moment. It gave me goosebumps and tears to see folks slow down on election day, acknowledge what we have here, and take the time to respect our country.

jewells45 on November 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM

Socialism and your 401K. Not a good combination.

Cicero43 on November 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM

My spouse has a money market account. We are taking most of it out and buying CDs.

I work for government. We don’t have 401(k)accounts; we have “deferred compensation”. There are no matching funds. The worst thing is that we can’t take the money out until we retire. I have been sitting here watching my account lose thousands of dollars and there is nothing I can do. I can stop contributions, or I can move the money into bonds. Right now it’s all in foreign stocks such as Nokia, Vodafone, Petrobras, etc.

Any suggestions on what to do to safeguard this money? Should I move it into bonds? I would really appreciate any advice from those of you who know finance better than an average person like me.

sdillard on November 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM

The ghost of Herbert Hoover is alive……

Mallard T. Drake on November 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM

Obama has the luck of the Irish. If this economic crisis had surfaced a couple of months later he might have lost the election and now the markets will probably be down so much by his inauguration day that they will only be able to go up.

MB4 on November 6, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Good point. He’s like the guy who gets named head coach for a 1-15 football team. From where the markets are now there is a lot of upside since so much fear is alread baked into stock prices. Also, the business cycle will likely work to his advantage in 4 years.

dedalus on November 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM

MB4 on November 6, 2008 at 6:34 PM

Maybe not. I liquidated all funds from my Salomon Smith Barney account (Concert Series) to a savings account. My consultant was very worried because she had a lot of folks doing the same thing. I got the speech about losing money by taking out low (actually breaking just above even after all this time) and then a speech that if the trend continued we would be effecting other folks funds. She looked pretty worried. She never said they were having a run but she was concerned.

hawkdriver on November 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM

So the good news is that from now on the effective capital gains tax may be 0%.

MB4 on November 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM

It’s no wonder the American electorate are so fanatically moronic and stupid as to elect an overwhelmingly Democratic Congress while teaming them up with a pseudo-Marxist community organizer as president

FYP

eyedoc on November 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Exit quotation via Megan McArdle, a woman after my own pessimistic heart:

I’m pretty sure this means that AP voted for Obama..

BigD on November 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM

There’s a guy who manages $1B and lives/works in Wayne and Garth’s hometown? (Aurora, IL ).

Aurora, IL???

aquaviva on November 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM

I didn’t know where to post this really, but I had to share this with you guys. My daughter sent me this in an email. She and my son went to this elementary school several years ago. From the secretary of the school:

I just wanted to share with all of you what I experienced this morning.

Mr. Gross and I were attempting to raise the flag out front. We had not performed this task before and were concentrating to make sure that it was done correctly and respectfully. As we turned to go back into the building, I saw a number of voters who had paused, were standing at attention, and apparently had been doing so the entire time while we were raising the flag. Needless to say, I had a moment. It gave me goosebumps and tears to see folks slow down on election day, acknowledge what we have here, and take the time to respect our country.

jewells45 on November 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM

I, like you, find that commendable. Unfortunately, I doubt that you’ll see much of that anymore.

rplat on November 6, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Unseen… that’s pretty funny. Policies take time to put into law and to have an effect on the market. Many don’t have any impact on markets.

My favorite question to ask Clinton fans is to name one of his policies which led to the good economy America enjoyed while he was President. To date… none have been able to give an answer.

This has little to do with Obama or calculating on fiscal policy which has not been formulated or even put into practice.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2008 at 6:43 PM

Obama, Harry, and Nancy have only threatened to destroy the coal industry, shut down the oil industry, raise everybody’s taxes, and confiscate everybody’s 401K…could that have something to do with the market crash??

Or perhaps it’s the secondary consequences: without oil, no medicine, no auto industry, no aircraft industry, no shipping, no synthetics to make clothes and no plastics or inexpensive chemicals of any kind…and without coal or oil, most of the electric generation will shut down, leaving insufficient power for heat, cooling, refrigeration, elevators, lighting, etc….

And without transportation or power, cities will quickly become unlivable. But without refrigeration, a lot of people will quickly die…so maybe we won’t need the cities anymore.

Maybe that is what worries the market!!

landlines on November 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

The stock market will be the least of our problems in a few months.

When the One makes a decision about the economy, it will be the first one he has ever made.

And we’ll be hearing from Putin and the gang real soon.

notagool on November 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

If you think the economy is bad right now, just wait until Obama cuts our military budget, pulls us out of Iraq prematurely and pushes a Socialist agenda onto the higher paid (read: upper educated, contributing members of society) and causes people to begin protecting their money by getting it out of America’s markets and/or emigrating to better opportunities in Western Europe.
And the CORE ISSUES in the economic downturn are STILL not being addressed.

KMC1 on November 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

After working my BUTT off and putting over 10K in my 401K and leaving it alone (this is in a 4 yr period) I now have NOTHING.

Because my ignorance of finance is so total that I can’t give you an intelligent estimate of how much blame he bears.

Allah your ignorance is the ignorance of many, including my own. I should have payed closer attention. Maybe when you learn something you can post it for those non-learned people in hope not to deal with htis again.

upinak on November 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

given that Obama’s likelihood of winning the election on Monday and Tuesday, when we saw big gains, was upwards of 95 percent and had therefore already been priced in (mostly), what reason is there to believe that his victory played some huge role here?

The SP500 hit its peak last October when Hillary was The One. Since then it has dropped 500 points. If you figure that the market held out a 10% change of a McCain upset, then another 50 points is the final selling before Obama starts the purges.

pedestrian on November 6, 2008 at 6:44 PM

I remember when Pelosi was being interviewed and she went so far as to call Bush the most failed president in history. Let’s see how she spins what history books will define as the “president who almost caused the fall of the United States”. I use the word almost with faint optimism.

sherry on November 6, 2008 at 6:45 PM

And the Liberals cried in unison “It’s Bush’s Fault!!!!”

mindhacker on November 6, 2008 at 6:45 PM

So the good news is that from now on the effective capital gains tax may be 0%.

MB4 on November 6, 2008 at 6:41 PM

Ha.

phronesis on November 6, 2008 at 6:46 PM

sdillard on November 6, 2008 at 6:40 PM

CDs are a good idea as are municipal bonds, but I suspect that corporate bonds may be a bit risky right now. If you are relatively young, just leave it. At some point, the nightmare will be over.

Vashta.Nerada on November 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM

One the stock market is forward looking meaning it is pricing conditions in today for 6 months out. Second. the 185 rally in the market occurred when McCain’s numbers in the polls started to tighten and when the credit crunch started to release. Two good news stories at the same time.
On the day before the election day and the day of the election the reporter for USNEWS and Report was saying that the McCain campaign was in good spirts and thought it might go their way. This reporter is read by a lot of the market.

finally, The coal comments came out over the weekend and gave the market hope that it would lose Obama Oh, PA, Wva and VA. Since his election coal stocks are down 30+% that is all Obama. He has crashed the coal stocks.

If the market rebounds it will be due to technical issues like being oversold (i.e everyone that wanted to sell has sold and only buyers are left)

there is a very good chance that if Obama’s polices are put into place 100% we could see the DOw at 1500 by 2012. a 90% selloff occured in 1932-1942. and in the nasdaq of 2000-2002 bear market.

Right now the market has the following narritive. Obama is going to raise taxes, kill jobs, kill free trade, the economic news is bleak. There is no reason to buy.

If the news changes or if Obama governs differently the market may advance.

The Dow closed out at 9511 on tues during the election. We will be extremly lucky if we see 9511 again in the next 4 years.

This is almost 75% fear of Obama from the market. Check out the transfer of wealth out of the country. The rich are fleeing the US to tax havens.

If the dems get the 401k’s and Ira’s dow may close up shop.

unseen on November 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Absolutely, 100% correct. Very good post.

Django on November 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM

We have spent the last 10 years getting him into medical school, through medical school, into a residency program, and through a residency program. We have done our time and then some and should be able to reap the benefits of our labor.

Why can’t you just admit you’re just “winners of life’s lottery” and pay your fair share? It’s patriotic.

Your selfishness sickens me.

/sarc

saint kansas on November 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Socialism and your 401K. Not a good combination.

Well, after the Democrats consfiscate everyone’s 401k accounts it won’t really matter anymore. This market drop is great for them, because pretty soon the public will be begging them to take their 401k and replace it with a government run account.

eyedoc on November 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM

I don’t lay complete blame on Obama. He’s also got a congress full of Democrats. That can’t make investors feel too secure.

myrenovations on November 6, 2008 at 6:47 PM

Horsepotato.

Win-Win for Obama.

If the market tanks soon he gets to claim the credit for bringing it out of the ashes (even though it will have nothing to do with him).

If the market doesn’t tank he gets to claim the credit for not having to bring it out of the ashes (even though it will have nothing to do with him).

Barry smiles, and continues to work on his list.

Limerick on November 6, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Oh, but he’s brilliant, isn’t he, AP?

Jaibones on November 6, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Unseen… that’s pretty funny. Policies take time to put into law and to have an effect on the market. Many don’t have any impact on markets.

My favorite question to ask Clinton fans is to name one of his policies which led to the good economy America enjoyed while he was President. To date… none have been able to give an answer.

This has little to do with Obama or calculating on fiscal policy which has not been formulated or even put into practice.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2008 at 6:43 PM

The market is driven by all information, including rumors. Always has been.

Vashta.Nerada on November 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Liquidity trap. Massive infusion of cheap money to a monetary base soaked with low fed fund rates and stimulus packages severaly limis output growth on the steep end of the LM curve.

Don’t get me sarted on fiscal policy.

VolMagic on November 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM

…this is about numbers not politics. The DJIA is following other markets as the global economy slows down. Cheer all you want.

lexhamfox on November 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM

You’re either out now, or you’re in until 2013.

Ronnie on November 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM

Oh, and did anyone else see San Fran Nan, beaming like a hyena at the meeting this afternoon with the auto executives?! God Lord, she’s all for bailing them out again- we have to cut our losses with the auto industry. Between the economy and the product they produce, it’s a given loss. The entire “bailout” fiasco is coming home to roost- No rules, no guidelines, No “bailout police”. Glad it’ll happen on the Dem’s watch.

anniekc on November 6, 2008 at 6:49 PM

unseen on November 6, 2008 at 6:37 PM

Thanks, unseen, that does make alot of sense to me.

annetteharrell on November 6, 2008 at 6:50 PM

P.S. my “t” button has been acting up, so apply where need in previous post.

VolMagic on November 6, 2008 at 6:50 PM

The markets hate uncertainty, and do we ever have uncertainty. Who is this guy, Obama, anyway?

d1carter on November 6, 2008 at 6:50 PM

The Obama Story – Nightmares of the Electorate
Community organizer – ACORN – Subprime Mortgages – FM/FM – Market Collapse in the lap of one of its social engineers the President-elect

The chickens have come to roost.
Thanx, you SOB.

Let’s get the next President running for office now before BO steps foot on PA Ave so at least the markets will know there is Hope.

gracie on November 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM

Are are telling me that Obambi’s Hope & Change scam, and all his charisma, eloquence and handsomeness ain’t enough to turn the economy around? :(

poxoma on November 6, 2008 at 6:20 PM

I’m afraid not, The Chosen One is gonna make the other half of my IRA dissappear.
I look to 2010 elections to get more conservatives in office, NO RINOS NEED TO APPLY.

la.rt.wngr on November 6, 2008 at 6:51 PM

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