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This is a country of the people, for the people, and by the people. There is no verbiage that says to the people – meaning that the government owes you something.

We are responsible for our actions, not the government. Abdicating our responsibility to ourselves we are nothing more than lemming at the edge of an abyss.

1. Our liberty is from God not the government.
2. Our sovereignty rests in our souls not the soil.
3. Our security is through strength not surrender.
4. Our prosperity is from the private sector not the public sector.
5. Our truths are self-evident not relative.

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Yes.
5. Yes.

Number 1 and 5 are my favourite. There are absolutes in this world. God’s Word is one of them.

********************** END OF MESSAGE **********************

Sheerq on November 6, 2008 at 12:25 PM

While I understand (and agree) with your position, you are missing the point of my statement. The point is where the legislation should take place, on the federal level or at the states. Since you feel it is murder, then the jurisdiction on this matter belongs to the states, not the federal government.

I am only trying to illustrate the point of how Rowe v. Wade perverted the separation of powers in our country.

The question is, should a medical procedure be made illegal, if in doing so you increase the likelihood that the truly odious procedure will be done anyway in less than pristine conditions, possibly causing the death of the woman?

The woman who undergoes an abortion will answer to God, a just and merciful God who forgives the sinner.

Look, the abortion laws are NOT changing, you religious people need to get that through your heads. It is NEVER going to change. So stop. Abortion will never be illegal in this country, not going to happen. That’s why it needs to get off of the table for the GOP. Basically, mind your business. Don’t have abortions, don’t associate with people who have abortions, fine. Stop trying to force your views on other people.

muyoso on November 5, 2008 at 8:14 PM

It seems you have completely missed the point of democracy and elections. The election is there precisely to discover what direction the country wishes to go. By nature it is a process by which people force their views upon others. Do you feel that many people in this forum want to see the socialist policies that the Obama administration will enact? We will get them forced upon us regardless of how we feel.

If we feel that abortion is murder then we have a responsibility to act upon it. Unlike you, I do not feel that we should meet this with illegal acts. that is the position of a nutcase, not a citizen that respects the law and our system. We need to change it within the system. So we try to get it removed from the list of rights that are given to us.

The fundamental question that is whether abortion is murder or not. That is not a federal question. Murder statutes are decided by the states individually. This issue has no place on the national stage and if Rowe v. Wade is overturned it will not outlaw abortion. It will return this issue to the states where it belongs. The different states will limit abortion in the way that their citizens prefer. It will not be outlawed everywhere. But it will certainly be limited more than it currently is.

The idea that you do not understand the concepts of federalism and limiting the power of the federal government is an indication that you are no conservative. In fact, your statements here show you are likely a provocateur. Your viewpoint is very left-leaning.

Springfield, Illinois is centrally located, and in the age of the internet where you are located is becoming less and less important. Such a move will make a statement that we are not a party of Washington DC, we are a party of the heartland.

We believe that federal taxes and spending should be as low as possible so state and local spending can be as high as necessary for good governance and no higher.

We are a party that strongly believes in federalism, who will never again run a candidate for President who doesn’t answer any question about school spending by stating that that is an issue for states and local governments.

We will send Republicans to Washington who believe in federalism and are willing to lose an election or two in order to win the larger battle of ideas in the end.

We believe in the dignity of humans from conception to the grave. We acknowledge that humans live in a state of sin, but that death should not be a punishment for sinning, and that therefore abortion should not be made illegal, though it should be regulated. (This does not make me any less pro-life than this who think abortion must be made illegal.)

We believe our country is the greatest on earth and that our elected federal representatives need to represent us as people and not some political ideology. Our leaders should fight for our interests in interactions with the leaders of other countries.

I could go on and on, but that is a part of what I believe we need.

1. Our liberty is from God not the government.
2. Our sovereignty rests in our souls not the soil.
3. Our security is through strength not surrender.
4. Our prosperity is from the private sector not the public sector.
5. Our truths are self-evident not relative.

That is not going to win the majority of votes nationally anymore because of all the people of color, especially the new arrivals, voting at the ballot box, rejecting a strong military and demanding more welfare payoffs.

It all starts with immigration.

“you religious people” … where’s the diversity and multiculturalism in that?

krl on November 6, 2008 at 8:42 AM

I’d like to second krl on their response…

As someone who’s not even close to being religious, I can’t tell you how much Atheists anger me right now…the militant attitude is getting really old, so please give it a rest.

But I am different, because as a Conservative I embrace the ideals, ethics, morals of the Right. My rights are endowed by a Creator, even if I don’t know who or what that Creator is.

The Bill of Rights, from our Constitution, are rights explicitly identified to protect us from government, and not rights given us by government. Anyone who’s read our Founding Fathers knows that, but some here who’ve posted the opposite obviously haven’t done their homework.

I am virulently anti-abortion, and my non-religious husband is really tired of that argument from the Left (he’s a former Liberal, but is a refomed Conservative). The hubby thinks the Pro-Abortion policy of the Left is really turning many like himself off as they age, unless they’re so “open-minded their brains have fallen out” (lots of those around, apparently!).

To claim one is “Pro-Choice” is a guise for “Pro-Abortion” and nothing more, for when one choose Life one is denigrated by the Left for that Choice.

Take Sarah Palin. She faced a tough decision, like a close friend of mine. Like my friend, she chose Life. How would the Left have treated my friend, I wonder?

That’s a rhetorical question, for I know the answer.

They’d have treated her the same as they treated Sarah.

Shame on them.

The GOP needs an enema…plain and simple. It needs to be flushed out. But that won’t happen until you rid it of the “old money” that controls it. You will have to bring in young, new and innovative money….from burgeoning and willing partners who want to strive for normalcy. That’s my 2 cents.

buffyvs on November 5, 2008 at 8:11 PM

I’ve been thinking the same thing myself…both the RNCC and GOPAC (except Michael Steele), need thorough uprooting and cleaning out. We need grassroots input, so that actual Conservatives provide solid input into the direction of this party for 2010, 2012, and beyond.

Social Security..HEH!!

The people that are going to be paying in to provide ours haven’t even been born yet..

Can’t wait to see if they’re(Our new socialist OverLords) gonna take over the 401Ks…

3% return….

Jesus…

BigWyo on November 5, 2008 at 9:10 PM

Dude, Social Security…

I spent a year on the Hill in ’98 studying nothing but Social Security, and here’s the scoop on that:

Those who retired in 1991 at age 65 got their Social Security investment back in 12-24 months (this is just their investment, not any additional funds).

Those of us who retire in 2030 or later at age 67 will get our investment into Social Security back in 40 years.

Know anyone who lives to age 117?

Can’t wait to see what they’ll do to our 401(k)s…

Look, the abortion laws are NOT changing, you religious people need to get that through your heads. It is NEVER going to change. So stop. Abortion will never be illegal in this country, not going to happen. That’s why it needs to get off of the table for the GOP. Basically, mind your business. Don’t have abortions, don’t associate with people who have abortions, fine. Stop trying to force your views on other people.

“you religious people” … where’s the diversity and multiculturalism in that?

FYI I’m a “religious people” who is of the mindset that the government telling someone they can’t have an abortion is tyranny and this is a problem I’ve had with the Republican Party for a while. The party really jumped the shark with Terry Schiavo, btw.

I do think abortion is reprehensible. Even more so given how hard it is for childless couples to adopt a child if they don’t have the money to pay bribes. There are many families that would provide a loving home that end up being empty when they’d cut off their left arm to help a young mother carry a child to term.

No matter how reprehensible I find it, it is something that happens with your body and nobody can tell you what to do or not do with your body. You do though have to accept the consequences of the decisions you make.

Your liberty is something granted to you by God. What denies people liberty? Evil in the form of other people deriving power by their “taking liberty.”

How you use it and how you treat others’ liberty is something you get to reconcile with God. To discount people’s views because they’re “religious people” is just plain ignorant and violative of the same principles that guide me in tolerating others that have a different faith or no faith at all to explain why they have their liberty.

Don’t tread on me.

First, we must not mindlessly mimic the momentarily triumphant Left. Sleek, detached, media savvy non-entities posing as existentially anguished leaders are neither in our nature nor our future. We are not teeny-bopper, pop-star politicians or the ideological dinosaurs of wealth redistribution.

Amen, Brother McCotter.

I DO NOT want Republican candidates to be marketed as if a consumer product or an “idea” the way the Dems marketed Obama. If that is the future of political campaigns, I may never vote again.

You just saw the Liberals win BIG. Yeah … they moved right with the rhetoric – but even they know Americans don’t believe their rhetoric. They just won running the TWO MOST LIBERAL SENATORS IN THE U.S. SENATE.

Does that sound like “reaching across the isle”?

We need to get back to our Reagan roots … conservative roots. And NOT be ashamed of it. Let’s remember this the next time the MSM wants us to pick a RINO for our candidate.

I don’t know when a fetus becomes a full human. Either do you.

muyoso on November 5, 2008 at 8:02 PM

Perhaps this will help. (Emphasis mine.)

“Even though the fertilized egg is only one cell, it is a unique cell. The fertilized human egg is unlike any other fertilized egg, because it is genetically human. Its 46 chromosomes and 30,000 genes have all that is needed to make an adult human being. Within 18 days, long before most mothers are even aware that they may be carrying a child, the heart starts the first of the 3 billion beats it will make in a lifetime. Only 22 days later, brain waves can be recorded and the unborn child is already moving. By eight weeks these movements will include swimming motions and grasping with fingers that already have unique fingerprints.

At four months the unborn baby is growing at a rate which, if continued, would leave him weighing 14 tons at birth. Studies show that by the 28th to 32nd week, the unborn child is actually able to remember things.”

Quote from, “The Facts of Human Life” @ http://www.creationmoments.net

Look, in reality, none of you think its really murder, or you would be out there bombing abortion clinics. I mean millions of murders a year and you sit idly by and do nothing? You would at least kill an abortion doctor or two, right? Or is millions of murders not that important to you, so you sit back and wait for someone to do something? That’s right, I used your own argument against you. If you truly think that there are millions of murders a year, what the HELL are you doing to stop it?

Look, the abortion laws are NOT changing, you religious people need to get that through your heads. It is NEVER going to change. So stop. Abortion will never be illegal in this country, not going to happen. That’s why it needs to get off of the table for the GOP. Basically, mind your business. Don’t have abortions, don’t associate with people who have abortions, fine. Stop trying to force your views on other people.

muyoso on November 5, 2008 at 8:14 PM

You are seriously freaking me out. What is the point in attacking people’s values and taunting them that they should be murdering more doctors?

Why are there more of these posts after the election? I guess the Dems didn’t get the map change they wanted, so there is more work to do attacking the enemy.

The Republican party needs its social conservatives, and a culture of life is an admirable one. If you disagree, then it is bad manners to be vulgar about it.

Since that time I have watch the Bush/Dole/Bush/McCain era completely waste the gift of Reagan. They were part of the “sacred cows” in the Republican Party. They gained their positions because of the inbred nature of the elitists rather than actually deserving to be there because of true leadership in the party based on conservative ideals.

In the last two election cycles we have watched the blood-letting that was the final result of the poor leadership and idealism of our party. The Republican identity is harmed because in our haste to rush to the center, we managed to have nothing to stand for.

The Republican Party is the the party of self-determination. We stand for responsibility. We stand for the rule of law. We stand for individual rights. We stand for reaping the fruits of your labor. We stand for voluntary and private charity. As much as some would like to deny this, we also stand for God, country and family, in that order.

When we live up to the ideals that we stand for, the people of America identify with us. These are timeless values that resonate with the American spirit. They represent everything that has made America a strong and prosperous nation. Most of the people in this country realize that. But they are looking for leadership that can embody all of these things in a graceful and eloquent way. Just like Ronald Reagan did.

When our leaders refuse to enforce immigration laws because of their personal political position they spit on their responsibility and the rule of law. It leaves people wondering if Republicans can be trusted to follow the rules or whether we feel they can be suspended at whim.

If we fear to extend our rights and liberties to all people (even terrorists) we send the message that we do not really believe they are inalienable. Fear to allow due process does not give confidence that our system of justice works properly. We look foolish. We also create fear about what rationalizations will be made to revoke the rights of another group of people. If the justice system is broken we should fix it rather than betraying our own principles.

If we are going to take a position to justify war, we better be damned sure that our statements turn out to be true. The credibility of our leadership in the world depends on it. The WMD justification made us look foolish and incompetent in the eyes of the world. It handed our detractors a hammer to beat us with by allowing them to say we killed all these people over a lie.

In other words, we need to live the ideals that we promote. We cannot talk the talk, if we are not going to also walk the walk.