That’s what elections are for
posted at 8:19 am on November 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Congratulations go to Barack Obama for his victory last night. He did what few Democrats have managed to do this century: win majorities in both popular vote and the Electoral College. Bill Clinton couldn’t do that in either election, and he was one of the most gifted politicians of this era.
Having gone through more than a few presidential elections, I tend to be more philosophical about their outcomes. Winning is never a complete blessing, and defeat is rarely a complete disaster. As I told people last night, we survived Jimmy Carter, who got elected with a similar “change” wind at his back after Watergate and the Vietnam War. He also had large Congressional majorities, and the Fairness Doctrine had been firmly in place for decades.
I hope that Obama turns out to be a better President than Carter, not for Obama’s sake but for the country’s sake. Christopher Buckley and other conservatives engaged in some wishful thinking by claiming that his victory would somehow lead him to become centrist rather than a liberal ideologue once in office. Obama has always been pragmatic, as his campaign showed; it will be up to us to work to get that to happen.
The voters in America wanted a significant change, however, and they got it last night in the proper manner — at the ballot box. Obama’s victory was no fluke; he beat John McCain by seven million votes and won more states than Bush did in either of his two elections. He will have stronger majorities in both chambers of Congress for his party, and will have legitimate claim to a mandate.
Over the next four years, Republicans and conservatives have to work to rethink their approaches, find new leadership, and work to keep the worst excesses of the Democratic policy from becoming reality. In 2010, we will have an opportunity to rebuild. We need to do that through ideas, policies, and strong leadership, not by acting … well, like the Left did throughout much of the Bush years.
It’s time to get back to work.
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Well, there it is in a nutshell. Agreed indeed.
It’s up to us now – this motley disorganized crew of unrepentant individualists. I have tremendous faith in you, my friends, and I know when it comes down to it you will rise to the challenge.
it is so not over. Not by a long shot.
Gilda on November 5, 2008 at 9:25 AM
I know this stings, but that doesn’t help. I refuse to dog his campaign decisions. I wouldn’t question our enthusiasm.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM
They were called racist rednecks by Murtha.
They voted for both of them?
Hello?
Marine_Bio on November 5, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I’m from PA; and I can’t believe them! I called my Mom & Dad finally about 11pm; and they were in shock! My Mom was crying; she couldn’t believe that Obama and Murtha both won in PA!
It truly is unfathomable! I’m ashamed of my state, and our country right now…
Dale in Atlanta on November 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM
So was popular vote about the same as 2004? Seems like Bush got about as many votes as Obama did???
jp on November 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM
If it makes you happy the cable networks were getting a financial and rating boost from the election. Now that it is over, they will probably have to cut some jobs because of a massive drop in ratings.
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 9:26 AM
starfleet:
I am 57 years old. I have seen a lot of elections and a lot of changes. And when it comes to cocky, no Republican can come close to Bill Clinton following his impeachment.
I remember Democrats wondering if they would ever win the White House again after Carter. I remember seeing Democrats in control in the Congress for years, only to lose it all in one election.
So yes, people do get cocky. And my point is that in 2004 Bush won a second term with more than 62 million votes and the Republicans controlled both Houses. Events. Do not over look events. Things can turn on a dime.
Now Obama has to do what he said he would,keep all those promises. Considering the fact that will be damn near impossible, it will be interesting to watch.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:27 AM
I mean, where are all these conservatives?
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:12 AM
Conservatives? There are still a bunch out here. Problem is that over the past eight years or so being Conservative was anathema to the GOP. Even here at Hot Air, Conservatives were/are consistently pilloried as being out of touch or stale or just plain bigoted. And there are too many who call themselves Conservative at the same time they allowed elected GOP officials and members of Congress to act like robber barons. Too many Denny Hasterts out there with an (R) after their name over the past decade.
Too focused on “inclusion” and not enough focus on basic Conservative education. Time and again we have seen organizations, clubs, political parties and even churches run into the ground once they lowered standards and went for “inclusion” and forgot their roots, their principles.
We have to re-develop and reestablish Conservatism on the basics, the rule of law, the Rights of Man, the protection of the innocent, fiscal restraint, and stop this self-destructive rash for “inclusion.” We simply have to offer a product that sells, and sells well, not because of a flashy name but because it has proven reliable, fail-safe, and based on principles that transcend individual candidates, and get out there and sell it door to door if need be. We lost because our product, our label, had become so watered down as to be insipid. Insipid doesn’t give birth to enthusiasm…never has…never will.
We also have to stop trying to rely on one candidate…we have to start learning about our own Conservative principles and offer example after example how citizens allowed to prosper and take risks, unfettered by burdensome government regulation can build, innovate and discover at a rate far faster and far more fruitful than any government program ever conceived.
The problem lies within us. We got out hustled by pros who sold a product totally untested and made more desirable because our own product had been allowed to become stale and without real foundation.
coldwarrior on November 5, 2008 at 9:27 AM
All the work is at the local and state levels! That is where we need to go. It is now a matter of survival for conservatives,, I will even say a matter of national security,, to begin to run and win at the local levels! Run for mayor, city council, county commissioner and dog catcher!
Or, if you know someone who good who is running,, give them all of your support!
Find out when the next election for anything is in your town or city! Start attending city council meetings! Pick up the phone and call the Republican headquarters and see if there is an opening for committee person in your ward!
All this talk of civil war is nonsense of we can’t even muster the courage to attend city council meetings or work hard at the grassroots!
I am not discouraged! I am not! I wanted McCain to win,, but I tell you this in all seriousness,,, if McCain had won he could have easily finished the the job of destroying the Republican party that Bush began!! He may have seriously only prolonged our eventual defeat in 2012 and ruined Sarah Palin. Sarah Palin may or may not be the future of our party,, but at least now she is no longer tied to McCain!
We are where we are, and there is no where to flee! This is an awesome time, though,, We may very well be the generation that witnesses the end of the Democrat party.
JellyToast on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Your precious little NRO editorial in the headlines features the phrase “Americans in the middle of the income distribution.”
Whatever happened to “middle income earners?”
Yep, NRO, right out the post-election gate talking about “income distribution.” Now that’s an encouraging sign.
BigD on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Then you go have fun with it. This nation has made it’s decision, and it’s made it’s opinion of the armed forces abundantly clear, for me. I can watch Americans die by the millions, now, and I will lift not one finger to help a single one of them. Not even the finger this country has just given me.
Virus-X on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Because we are better than they are.
A wise man’s heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man’s heart directs him toward the left.
Ecclesiastes 10:2
Pcoop on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
I just checked on that and you are right. For some odd reason that makes me smile :-)
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
The amount of fraud in the campaing allows me to say that Obama did not win.
Not my President.
VolMagic on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
What a perfect place to start.
It won’t happen in the MSM. It won’t start with the politicians. How well are we online networked to each other? It’s loosey-goosey, blogroll’ed, etc. We don’t need a DailyKos. We do need a pretty decent compendium of rightist blogs. There’s a lot of talent that remains unnoticed who can help. If they feel included, they’ll be all the more helpful. And do we have a way to track who lives where? This will start at the grassroots level, working locally on out.
beatcanvas on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
FDR BLUE EAGLE TRAUMA
US NEWS & WORLD REPORT
Money & Business
“An eagle that didn’t take off”
By Lewis Lord
Posted 8/10/03
So the progressive DNC buzzards are coming home to roost.
Who could miss the New Black Panther self appointed billy club security force that ejected Minority Party Poll Observers from the place for voting?
We saw the likes again last night.
Barack led the “Republicans are full of antipathy” charge of his DNC lightworker thug campaign brigade. Obama’s “code of fair competition” includes NO PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS and NO PRIVATE BALLOT RIGHTS and NO CIVIL LIBERTIES FOR OPPONENTS CLAUSE.
.
The Supreme Court in 1935 unanimously ruled that FDR’s effectual executive order committing America to communism was unconstitutional.
But would today’s SCOTUS find likewise? And what of tomorrow’s Supreme Court, after Obama nominates a new anti-original Constitution judge to be ratified by Congress?
Buck up. Organize now. Focus on the fissures in the DNC armor. The Democrats are ready to roll us all under the bus.
maverick muse on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
in principle I agree, and we’ll never be as unhinged as the left is.
HOWEVER, it works eventually. Throwing all the dirt against the wall is how you eventually create the anti-incumbent ‘mood’ which the mindless moderates vote on.
jp on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
Before I head off to work, I’m not going to bother to get a TV converter box or a new digital TV for the next four years. I can watch videos and I can get all the news I need here and at a few other good news outlets. I’m going to just say no to the media who signed, sealed, and delivered this Marxist to the White House.
Mojave Mark on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
terryannonline:
Yeah, and then there will be people like me who will probably not turn on the news unless I hear that there has been a major terrorist attack or something.
Screw em.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
1 Samuel 8
Israel Asks for a King
1 When Samuel grew old, he appointed his sons as judges for Israel. 2 The name of his firstborn was Joel and the name of his second was Abijah, and they served at Beersheba. 3 But his sons did not walk in his ways. They turned aside after dishonest gain and accepted bribes and perverted justice.
4 So all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah. 5 They said to him, “You are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways; now appoint a king to lead [a] us, such as all the other nations have.”
6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. 7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”
10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will do: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your menservants and maidservants and the best of your cattle [b] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, and the LORD will not answer you in that day.”
19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.”
21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the LORD. 22 The LORD answered, “Listen to them and give them a king.”
Then Samuel said to the men of Israel, “Everyone go back to his town.”
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
SCOTUS picks and federal judges are lifetime appointments. Just look how long it took to fight our way to the surface after the Warren court. just sayin’
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
All of this talk about hoping that Obama will fail is pretty disgusting. You whiners need to either suck it up and move to Alaska or Australia or Utah or something.
It’s still the United States of America. If you don’t like it, get out.
Vernon Hardapple on November 5, 2008 at 9:29 AM
The thing that struck me about Obama’s acceptance speech was the immediate lowering of expectations. He put it right out there for all to hear, yet I doubt anyone at the event or watching from home (if they were tuned to MSNBC) even caught it since they were too enveloped in the rapture. That to me was stunning. Paraphrasing – “It may not happen in the first year, or second year… or the first term.” What????
D2Boston on November 5, 2008 at 9:29 AM
OK, so we respond they way you did…
We support the troops.
What an ignorant sack of $hit you are.
csdeven on November 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM
The Democrats have a third rail and they cannot resist touching it. It is universal health care. I have always thought that HillaryCare more than anything else led to the Republican revolution in 1994.
Obama scored a lot of points trashing McCain’s health care plan, but got away with barely fleshing out his own plan. There are a zillion health care “experts” on Capitol Hill who will now be jockeying to create the most comprehensive, expensive, and convoulted plan imaginable. Ted Kennedy will probably die soon, and the urge to memorialize him with a massive health care plan will be irresistible.
Democrats remain convinced that universal health care is their ticket to a permanent majority. I think they are wrong. I think it is their ticket back to the minority.
rockmom on November 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM
any GOP strategy for a comeback, assuming Conservatism is involved. Absolutely has to start with an MSM and PR strategy.
Bush would be much more popular if not for the MSM, and Obama would not have won last night.
jp on November 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Thank you. People need to chill out. Remember, McCain was LEADING in the polls just a month and a half ago before the financial crisis hit.
Things change very quickly in politics. Once the euphoria over Obama’s win subsides(and given our attention spans, that won’t take long), reality will set in and he’ll have to start leading, not campaigning. Something tells me a lot his support will erode after that.
Doughboy on November 5, 2008 at 9:30 AM
Because we are better than they are.
A wise man’s heart directs him toward the right, but the foolish man’s heart directs him toward the left.
Ecclesiastes 10:2
Pcoop on November 5, 2008 at 9:28 AM
To hell with being better…we need to win elections.
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM
This has been said, but it bears repeating – Liberals win elections by pretending to be conservative. Conservatives win elections by being conservative.
John McCain has about as much to do with conservativism as Obama does.
From here on out, we need everyone to take a pledge – “I will stand up for my principles. Come hell or high water I will vote my principles.
If you don’t act conservative, you won’t get my vote (no matter what pretty words come out of your mouth).”
drunkenmaster on November 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Mr_Magoo, I was thinking about 1 Samuel last night as things were un folding.
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Yes, it will be hard, especially seeing as he promised contradicting things.
Esthier on November 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM
Also think of this: Bush is going to be gone so Keith Olbermann is not going to have material. If I can make a bold prediction: I think Olby will be fired within a year. He has embarrassed MSNBC.
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 9:31 AM
assuming you are a Dem troll, get lost. All the Left has done is exactly what you describe on a huge scale, to undermine a Commander in Chief during war time
jp on November 5, 2008 at 9:32 AM
The Republicans need to get a ground game going again. Face it, Team Obama ate the Republicans’ lunch in that area this election, an area in which the Republicans excelled in ‘04.
ddrintn on November 5, 2008 at 9:33 AM
My last absentee for PA this year. Next cycle I’ll be an NC resident. But believe it or not, everyone in my district won! Lycoming County.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:33 AM
All of this talk about hoping that Obama will fail is pretty disgusting. You whiners need to either suck it up and move to Alaska or Australia or Utah or something.
It’s still the United States of America. If you don’t like it, get out.
Vernon Hardapple on November 5, 2008 at 9:29 AM
So now we’re whining when we point out that Obama’s Carter-like policies are going to be a disaster, are we?
And take your “just move out, duhduhduh” nonsense and shove it. Moving to another country is a monumental headache. Saying goodbye to everything you’ve known, moving assets, culture shock…the list goes on for a mile. I couldn’t leave except for a last resort to extreme, direct jackbootery.
Dark-Star on November 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM
I’m open to it, but I don’t see how the MSM will allow a rightist message to get out. Explain how we achieve that when the MSM is so hostile to folks like Joe the Plumber and Palin. (I’m not being facetious – I’m serious.)
beatcanvas on November 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM
VirusX:
The country did not give you the finger. What about the 240 million people who did not vote for Obama? I have a lot of career military people in my family. I think growing up in Oklahoma has something to do with that. Their Commander in Chief is a civilian, the Constitution made it so. I do not doubt that the majority of the military voted for McCain, but not all of them did. And when the American people see an old soldier like Colin Powell come out and support Obama, they do not feel like they giving the military the finger. If anything, they think they are doing them a favor. Stupid I know, but that is how a lot of people see it.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:34 AM
dow off 142 on the great news
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Nope sorry, turn about is fair play and I’m staying. I’ve already started.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM
No one is surprised that you took the day off. Typical RINO behavior.
csdeven on November 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM
Katy,
Amen to that!
When people turn their back on GOD, bad things age gonna happen. Men marrying men, women marrying women, worship of the “golden calf”, etc., etc.
We do need to return to what made this country a great nation. A nation must be good before it can be great. Yesterday, this country threw a hissy fit. Let’s punish Bush, what will Obama gimmee? This nation was founded on Judeo/Christian values and principles. Yet, Christians are mocked and disparaged as antiquated neanderthals.
If faith in GOD makes me a neanderthal, so be it. Look what having faith in McCain and a limp-wristed Republican party has brought us?
mountainmanbob on November 5, 2008 at 9:35 AM
terryannonline:
Oh yeah, who needs Olby now? And they can not laugh at Obama. No sirree. That will get old. No press conferences, no criticism, no laughing at or humiliating the Messiah.
They will be lost.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:37 AM
hawkdriver, where are the bumper stickers you mentioned last night?
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 9:37 AM
Actually, considering he was former CJCOS, he gave us in the military the middle finger too.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:37 AM
How is Obama “pragmatic?” He is a left-wing guy. He ran on a liberal agenda that he papered over as a “centrist” agenda. The only thing “pragmatic” about him is that he disguised his welfare plan as a “middle class tax cut” and lied about the extent of his tax relief package. So his natural instincts will be to govern from the left. And Congress will definitely be pushing him to the left.
My biggest fear is that Obama will actually govern like Hugo Chavez and will start nationalizing health care, nationalizing banks, retirement, using Card Check to push unionization, silencing talk radio with a fairness doctrine, stacking the decks in the courts with extreme liberals… Those are things that can’t be undone and will PERMANENTLY reduce liberty and freedom in this country. Tax increases and goofy spending programs we can heal from. The kind of fundamental “reform” Obama wants to implement cannot be healed.
Outlander on November 5, 2008 at 9:38 AM
csdeven:
Hi there. Still pissed that I did not blame the loss of the election my fellow RINO McCain?
You know what? I have some time saved up and I have to drive for my job and it was not safe for me to be on the road with zero sleep.
But I tell you what, why don’t you just keep attacking me and anyone who disagrees with you and see if you can run off a few more Republicans? After all, there are so many to spare.
BTW, why aren’t you at work?
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM
This is the only thing Ed said that I don’t agree with. Everything else is true, right on the mark.
But Obama is anything but a pragmatist, and his campaign was a clever clinic in the art of lying and deception, not pragmatism.
Neither here nor there – to the winner goes the spoils. Conservatives need to engage in an thorough examination of what we believe, and how best to govern.
Jaibones on November 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Terrye, living in the past may be a refuge of sorts for now but eventually you and other Republicans will have to start thinking about what’s next.
It is also worth noting that saying the sinking economy pushed Obama over the top ignores President Bush’s sorry part in helping that come to pass. It didn’t have to be that way.
starfleet_dude on November 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM
BS. Taking a personal day is something that people, who don’t work at McDonalds, do all the time.
Esthier on November 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM
“any GOP strategy for a comeback, assuming Conservatism is involved. Absolutely has to start with an MSM strategy”
Doesn’t necessarily need to go through the MSM. FIgure out how to get the message out without the MSM.
exhelodrvr on November 5, 2008 at 9:40 AM
Yep.
csdeven on November 5, 2008 at 9:41 AM
hawkdriver:
I am not defending Powell, I am saying that to the average voter he is considered a military man.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:41 AM
I have one on the truck already. It won’t last though because it’s just sheet sticker material and it’s still rainy and nasty here. The one I put on says, “Palin 2012″ I’ll save the Obama stuff for after they’re don’t celebrating.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:41 AM
csdeveb:
McCain was a believer in fiscal restraint and small government for all the good it did him with the people looking for someone to blame.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:42 AM
I actually thought the Dow would roar ahead before the economic hangover caused it to crater 2,000 points by the end of the year.
This is a surprisingly sober response.
Jaibones on November 5, 2008 at 9:42 AM
I know Terrye, just saying.
Honestly, I respect what you post here.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Seriously. Even SNL pointed out the fallacy in this argument.
It was Bush and McCain who tried to stop this mess. Obama voted present.
Esthier on November 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM
We have the filibuster in the senate. The fairness doctrine, card check, and other liberal BS will not get passed.
Buck up folks! The dems will be slowed. Much of our efforts will be to purge the GOP of the RINO’s.
csdeven on November 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Dow down 170 and dropping like a rock… seems wall street doens’t like its new overloards either.
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM
Bloggers on the RIGHT need much better associations with each other and with their readers. Since the primary campaigns began, I’ve been promoting the idea of better relations and much better organization of conservative ideologues, a league of conservatives if you will that unites radio and blogging “personalities” into a united front for a specific conservative agenda. And keep that agenda limited in scope to what you can hold in one hand: FISCAL BEFORE MORAL though the moral dictates what is fiscally significant to maintain.
When GWB first won with a GOP Majority in Congress, all major efforts were spent on “moral” conservatism; none of which passed legislation. And the fiscal conservatism got back-seat to fail passing legislation, also. And it was the very economic rot that secured Obama’s victory, though he set that into motion. And where fiscal conservatism could have been the tool to deny tax dollars to abortion or to any school teaching homosexuality within curriculum, it has yet to be utilized as an effective tool in the fiscal budget.
So, we learn and we improve our efforts.
Think smarter, not (just) harder.
maverick muse on November 5, 2008 at 9:43 AM
“done” celebrating…
Geez I stayed up too late.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:44 AM
anyone see a 1,000pt sell off coming today?
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 9:44 AM
starfleet:
I am not living in the past. I am pointing out an example of cocky behavior on the part of a politician who has been defeated or handed a set back.
Speaking of the past why don’t the lefties stop fighting about the war? Year after freaking year they go and on and on.
We all have our hangups.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:45 AM
600-700 drop by the closing bell
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 9:46 AM
I think about the need for conservatives (not necessarily the GOP, about which I couldn’t care less) to rethink their philosophy and commitment to making this nation great again, and I always fall back on the Contract With America.
What a great set of ideals. What a stunning failure to execute them.
And you really don’t get a second chance with stuff like that, I don’t think. It would be greeted with enormous skepticism.
Jaibones on November 5, 2008 at 9:46 AM
making money shorting the hell out of the market…will use some of the funds to help the GOP rebuild…
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 9:47 AM
csdeven:
Maybe you should spend more time attracting new people rather than just trying to make Democrats out of the Republicans you have. Unless of course you like losing elections.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:47 AM
The sun rose this morning just like yesterday- we will survive. This is what living in a free nation means, we can have elections and live peacefully with the results. For any interested the Presidential Prayer team is have 77 days of prayer for President Elect Obama- please prayerfully consider joining
God Bless America
Phil214 on November 5, 2008 at 9:47 AM
Republicans need a media and communications strategy. That strategy has to involve methods to at least ATTEMPT to communicate with the mainstream media in a way that doesn’t horribly backfire.
Outlander on November 5, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Do you think the charges of racism for opposing Obama are going to stop just because he got elected?
I also remember all through the Clinton years that every time the Republicans opposed him on something, the Democrats screamed bloody murder that the Repubs were “opposing the will of the people.” We can expect to hear alot of that again.
BigD on November 5, 2008 at 9:48 AM
This illustrates perfectly the totalitarian mentality of the other side. Hopefully the troll will take his own advice and go elsewhere.
Conservatism (C not c) is dead. The culture war that began ca 1968 has finally ended and the progressives have won but at the expense of selling their souls to the marxists.
The important distinctions are ‘left’ and ‘right’. What is now at stake is freedom, capitalism and the traditional view of the american constitution.
For a deeper philosophical understanding of what the battle is about see Peter Robinson’s latest “Uncommon Knowledge” interview with Tom Sowell. It’s at the corner on NRO in 5 segments but should show up shortly at the Hoover Institute as a single video. In the Monday segment, Peter asks Tom whether the philosophical problem is essentially the same as the one identified by Karl Popper in “The Open Society and Its Enemies”, which goes back to Plato and Aristotle.
The answer is yes.
The problem with Obama is not going to be solved in 2010 or even 2012. It took the left 40 years to get where they are and its going to take just as long to push them back. Your children and grandchildren are the ones who need to understand the stakes. My kids (15 and 18) at least know which the right side is. Neither has spent a day in a public school. Keep an eye on Ayers.
gh on November 5, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Agreed. I was thinking about throwing my gmail address out there at the risk of moonbat attack to see if there was any interest in discussions off live blogging about ideas and directions. I guess once some new connections were made I’d have to change it. It’s important. But this really isn’t the way to start with trolls about. I know of one serious blogger here that was looking to start a conservative magazine on-line. Anyone?
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:49 AM
Jaibones:
That is not a bad idea. Republicans need a clear message that can appeal to a broad base of people. We need to stop losing people.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 9:49 AM
The culture war is not over. It’s an endless war.
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 9:50 AM
I think Obama should get the same honeymoon Bush got. And then all efforts should be made to undermine the hell out of him, just like the left did to Bush. Yeah , should the party re-build , absolutely. But the thing i think the GOP is most in need of. Is a set of balls.
MDWNJ on November 5, 2008 at 9:51 AM
My apologies, as you clearly have been willing to get serious about considering the reasons why Republicans have suffered another setback at the polls, rather than engage in denial.
Also, I’m not sure what war you may be talking about but I’ll be quite happy when Republicans stop blaming Democrats for losing South Vietnam, as it was Nixon and Kissinger who signed that “peace with honor” treaty which allowed the NVA to remain on territory it seized during its Easter Offensive in 1972.
starfleet_dude on November 5, 2008 at 9:52 AM
Bingo.
So let’s start a list. What bloggers should be included?
beatcanvas on November 5, 2008 at 9:53 AM
darwin on November 5, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Sometimes God let’s us have our way… the good news is He will forgive us if we truly repent and ask His forgiveness.
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 9:53 AM
starfleet_dude
the dem congress defunded Vietnam
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 9:54 AM
By the way, hawkdriver and maverick muse (and anyone else), you’re welcome to email me at my site and I’ll post it and reach out to the group.
http://www.beatcanvas.com/contact.asp
beatcanvas on November 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Gov. Tim Pawlenty said on ABC he thinks the GOP should do more to reach out to Hispanic voters.
aengus on November 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM
All Sarahcuda has to do is to be herself and to continue to take care of the people of Alaska. I am a resident and she is the real thing. She is the breath of fresh air the Republican party needs. If the McCain handlers would have let her loose we may have had a different turn out.
Sven on November 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM
Ok now the first thing to blame Obama and the liberals on is the market sell off about to occur…get your talking points ready. Before the election the DOw was at 9511. every pts down from here is because of a fear of a Obama-Ried-Pelosi government…
Rememeber blame the dems for this selloff. It is their fault…it is their baby now.
All the bad economic news is priced in. The cridt crunch is getting better. This selloff is fear of higher taxes, unions, and windfall profits
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 9:55 AM
I agree. Conservative Republicans won landslide victories before with an antagonistic MSM, and can do so again.
ddrintn on November 5, 2008 at 9:56 AM
You’ve got to be kidding. Public and Democratic pressure to leave the war they started was emmence. Staying any longer would have destroyed the US. Their hands were quite tied.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Ed, we need an Obama “promises” scorecard we can print out so we can keep track of all the promises he made.
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 9:56 AM
Obamunists.
Akzed on November 5, 2008 at 9:58 AM
Didn’t he essentially promise everything? To court liberals he promised one thing, to court conservatives he promised another … so no matter what he does he will have kept his promise to one of the two groups.
darwin on November 5, 2008 at 9:59 AM
We’ve got a lot of time to duke it out about where we disagree. But as conservatives, if we want to ever be in a position to direct and influence policy in the future, we need to make some goal line stands on a few issues. There are surely more than this, but these are the two that come to mind for me this morning:
1) Protect our troops. They are heroes, true patriots in a way many of us could never be. They have fought for this nation, died for this nation, lost limbs and marriages and jobs for this nation. We cannot, must not, WILL NOT let these patriots down. Ever. Those of you in counties and states where Democrats have taken over, make your voices heard. Our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines will not be disrespected or worse.
2) Defeat any attempt at reviving the Fairness Doctrine. Right now, talk radio is the voice of the loyal opposition. If they take that voice from us, things will be exponentially worse for us than they are now. Make sure all your family, friends and coworkers know what the Fairness Doctrine really means for free speech in this country. Don’t mince your words. Remind them who it was who made sure this travesty was repealed decades ago. Remind them who it is now who wants it to be revived.
What other core agreements can we come up with?
bamaconservative on November 5, 2008 at 9:59 AM
All was fine until the Dem congress cut off funding/military aid to South Vietnam.
Nuri al Maliki, take note.
Akzed on November 5, 2008 at 9:59 AM
I will.
And I hate to do it because I know I’ll have to change it, but here’s mine. I’ll leave this up as my address till the end of the long weekend for anyone who want to seriously start the reorganization of the party.
hawksp2000@gmail.com
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 10:00 AM
McCain pandered to Hispanics more than any politician in this country.
All that, and Obama still crushed him in that demographic.
I think it’s time to quit trying to sway entire demographics and just worry about getting a message and getting that message out there.
Esthier on November 5, 2008 at 10:00 AM
I really think we should stop referring to the opposition as the Democrat Party. Their platform is virtually the same as the Communist Party of the US.
Real democrats need to understand this.
darwin on November 5, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Your silly comments need to be attacked. You are a McCain shill and you are the reason we have Obama right now. You haven’t learned anything from last nights humiliating defeat to a socialist and you will continue with the same mentality and it is an enemy to real conservatives like myself.
csdeven on November 5, 2008 at 10:01 AM
Romney/Jindal ‘08!
doodleduh on November 5, 2008 at 10:02 AM
I agree. In the end, as President Ford realized when South Vietnam fell in 1975, the American people wanted nothing more to do with Vietnam. FWIW, the funding that was sought by South Vietnam was above and beyond what was already given, and considering that Thieu escaped Saigon with over $100 million in gold it wasn’t as if the South Vietnamese government wasn’t going to collapse anyway.
starfleet_dude on November 5, 2008 at 10:02 AM
how the MSM spinning the DOW selloff today….Of course it isn’t due to investors fear of an Obama president:
Stocks are down in early trading, as Wall Street focuses on the troubled economy following Barack Obama’s election to the White House. Analysts said the market expected an Obama victory, and Wednesday’s selling was part of a trading pattern known as “buy on the rumor, sell on the news.” Investors were also cashing in some of their gains from Tuesday’s big rally, which sent the Dow Jones industrials up more than 300 points on expectations that battered stocks would enjoy a traditional yearend rally.
unseen on November 5, 2008 at 10:03 AM
Real conservatives who hate Thompson with a pure passion. Yeah, that makes sense.
Esthier on November 5, 2008 at 10:03 AM
And another thing. Stop with the stupid notion, that you have to “Reach Out” to different minority groups. This is not the United States Of Ethnic Groups. Conservative ideals are for everyone , they are universal. You explain the idea’s, that they are for everyone, and apply to everyone. Because polls show, that lower taxes and less government is still what the majority of people want, no matter what ethnic group they are in. And the GOP, needs someone who can say it, and also isnt afraid to say it, and damn it , stand up for it.
MDWNJ on November 5, 2008 at 10:03 AM
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