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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; It&#8217;s the Republicans, Stupid</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-2455736</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; It&#8217;s the Republicans, Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ed Morrissey noticed that up to 7 million GOP voters stayed home or switched to Obama and, like Dr. Helen, Morrissey thinks conservatism is the answer and not the problem: &#8220;If the GOP wants to win 60 million votes in future national elections, it has to stand for something other than being Democrat Lite. The Republican Party needs clarity, purpose, and most importantly, an end to the hypocrisy of talking smaller government while porking up their districts. When given only a choice between real Democrats and fake Democrats, Americans will choose the former, which we found out in 2006.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ed Morrissey noticed that up to 7 million GOP voters stayed home or switched to Obama and, like Dr. Helen, Morrissey thinks conservatism is the answer and not the problem: &#8220;If the GOP wants to win 60 million votes in future national elections, it has to stand for something other than being Democrat Lite. The Republican Party needs clarity, purpose, and most importantly, an end to the hypocrisy of talking smaller government while porking up their districts. When given only a choice between real Democrats and fake Democrats, Americans will choose the former, which we found out in 2006.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Behind Blue Lines &#187; The Missing Base?</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1672217</link>
		<dc:creator>Behind Blue Lines &#187; The Missing Base?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ed at Hot Air has looked at the presidential and congressional numbers and several startling facts emerge: Barack Obama certainly won this race, but he won it with just a little more votes than George Bush [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ed at Hot Air has looked at the presidential and congressional numbers and several startling facts emerge: Barack Obama certainly won this race, but he won it with just a little more votes than George Bush [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cartoon - United or Divided?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cartoon - United or Divided?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the &#8220;passionate discussion and comments, I did a bit of digging and some stats at Hot Air. In 2004, Bush beat John Kerry by winning 62.04 million votes.  In 2008, Obama won 62.443 million, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the &#8220;passionate discussion and comments, I did a bit of digging and some stats at Hot Air. In 2004, Bush beat John Kerry by winning 62.04 million votes.  In 2008, Obama won 62.443 million, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Naked grannies.</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1633813</link>
		<dc:creator>Naked grannies.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Free naked grannies....&lt;/strong&gt;

Free thumbs of naked grannies. Free naked grannies. Naked grannies. Naked neighborhood grannies. Grannies over 50 naked. Older naked grannies....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Free naked grannies&#8230;.</strong></p>
<p>Free thumbs of naked grannies. Free naked grannies. Naked grannies. Naked neighborhood grannies. Grannies over 50 naked. Older naked grannies&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Amendment X</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1626947</link>
		<dc:creator>Amendment X</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 18:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great advice...that I was giving over 6 years ago starting with Norm Coleman (no drilling in ANWR) and No Child Left Behind. I warned people that GWB was making a huge mistake by cuddling up to people that would never vote for him (lefties).
But, I was beat down time and time again by the BS mantra &quot;We HAVE to elect Republicans!!!&quot;
Well, how did THAT work for ya.
And I hear some of those same buttheads/bullheads now trying to convince me that they&#039;re &quot;on board&quot; to clean the party up.
Don&#039;t pee on my back and then tell me it&#039;s raining.
You are the people I&#039;ve been screaming at for over 6 years.
From the apropos quote from Samuel Adams:&quot;...go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice&#8230;that I was giving over 6 years ago starting with Norm Coleman (no drilling in ANWR) and No Child Left Behind. I warned people that GWB was making a huge mistake by cuddling up to people that would never vote for him (lefties).<br />
But, I was beat down time and time again by the BS mantra &#8220;We HAVE to elect Republicans!!!&#8221;<br />
Well, how did THAT work for ya.<br />
And I hear some of those same buttheads/bullheads now trying to convince me that they&#8217;re &#8220;on board&#8221; to clean the party up.<br />
Don&#8217;t pee on my back and then tell me it&#8217;s raining.<br />
You are the people I&#8217;ve been screaming at for over 6 years.<br />
From the apropos quote from Samuel Adams:&#8221;&#8230;go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!”</p>
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		<title>By: helloWorld() &#187; Was voter turnout really that high?</title>
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		<dc:creator>helloWorld() &#187; Was voter turnout really that high?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] were there really that many more voters that came out this election than in 2004? Hot Air contributor Ed Morrisey explains some of the numbers from last night&#8217;s poll results: In 2004, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] were there really that many more voters that came out this election than in 2004? Hot Air contributor Ed Morrisey explains some of the numbers from last night&#8217;s poll results: In 2004, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: corona</title>
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		<dc:creator>corona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did those numbers come from?  They are either old or just plain wrong.
CNN shows &lt;strong&gt;O:64,094,027, M:56,521,177&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did those numbers come from?  They are either old or just plain wrong.<br />
CNN shows <strong>O:64,094,027, M:56,521,177</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Sheerq</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1617302</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheerq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 15:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we, the ones who live outside of D.C., need to come to grips with a few things.

First, we were beaten by a skilled politician who is not a Marxist, not a Muslim, and not a danger to the country.  It&#039;s a good bet that he&#039;ll win a second term if he is as good at running the government as he was at running his campaign.  He did not get my vote but I wish him well as I do any new President.  He will be my President come January.

Second, D.C. is not the center of the universe (despite what its denizens and courtiers believe) - it is only the seat of the federal government.  We need to stop obsessing about D.C. and start building a ground game to win at the state and local levels on state and local issues.  Do you believe in federalism or not?  If we can&#039;t win local elections in California, New York, or Illinois, then we are always going to have a small margin of error when it comes time to electing a President.

Third, as a party we should stop looking to elected federal officials to be our Presidential nominees.  We should be looking for good, qualified people to send to D.C., not accept the &#039;next in line&#039; old GOP custom that gets us a Bob Dole, John McCain, or even George H.W. Bush as our nominee.  I&#039;m not knocking them as men, they are fine men.  None of them, though, believed that a good, bare knuckled election fight.  They were too accustomed to the ways of Washington D.C.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we, the ones who live outside of D.C., need to come to grips with a few things.</p>
<p>First, we were beaten by a skilled politician who is not a Marxist, not a Muslim, and not a danger to the country.  It&#8217;s a good bet that he&#8217;ll win a second term if he is as good at running the government as he was at running his campaign.  He did not get my vote but I wish him well as I do any new President.  He will be my President come January.</p>
<p>Second, D.C. is not the center of the universe (despite what its denizens and courtiers believe) &#8211; it is only the seat of the federal government.  We need to stop obsessing about D.C. and start building a ground game to win at the state and local levels on state and local issues.  Do you believe in federalism or not?  If we can&#8217;t win local elections in California, New York, or Illinois, then we are always going to have a small margin of error when it comes time to electing a President.</p>
<p>Third, as a party we should stop looking to elected federal officials to be our Presidential nominees.  We should be looking for good, qualified people to send to D.C., not accept the &#8216;next in line&#8217; old GOP custom that gets us a Bob Dole, John McCain, or even George H.W. Bush as our nominee.  I&#8217;m not knocking them as men, they are fine men.  None of them, though, believed that a good, bare knuckled election fight.  They were too accustomed to the ways of Washington D.C.</p>
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		<title>By: eanax</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1616979</link>
		<dc:creator>eanax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;For those folks that are spewing nonsense about moving more to the center I will point out a couple of cogent facts here.

The people that lost were primarily the moderate Republicans. Dole, Sununu, Shays, etc all got beat. The conservative Republicans generally kept their seats.

Many of the new Democrats are conservative Democrats. We have more “Blue Dogs” in Congress than we have seen in some time. The Democrats are finding more success being conservative than we are finding being moderate. They are beating us at our own game.

So for the folks that keep insisting we go more to the center, put that in your pipe and smoke it. If we would have stayed conservative instead of listening to you guys, we would still have a majority in Congress.

Hawthorne on November 6, 2008 at 1:44 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Agreed. Becoming more like the Democrats will not help politically. It will simply marginalize more and more conservative, common sense folks...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>For those folks that are spewing nonsense about moving more to the center I will point out a couple of cogent facts here.</p>
<p>The people that lost were primarily the moderate Republicans. Dole, Sununu, Shays, etc all got beat. The conservative Republicans generally kept their seats.</p>
<p>Many of the new Democrats are conservative Democrats. We have more “Blue Dogs” in Congress than we have seen in some time. The Democrats are finding more success being conservative than we are finding being moderate. They are beating us at our own game.</p>
<p>So for the folks that keep insisting we go more to the center, put that in your pipe and smoke it. If we would have stayed conservative instead of listening to you guys, we would still have a majority in Congress.</p>
<p>Hawthorne on November 6, 2008 at 1:44 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Agreed. Becoming more like the Democrats will not help politically. It will simply marginalize more and more conservative, common sense folks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eanax</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1616954</link>
		<dc:creator>eanax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Tell me one ONE conservative issue that has worked in this country. 

stefystef on November 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Besides the U.S. Constitution?

Easy. Tax cuts. Tax cuts bring in more revenue. The problem is spending...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Tell me one ONE conservative issue that has worked in this country. </p>
<p>stefystef on November 5, 2008 at 8:26 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>Besides the U.S. Constitution?</p>
<p>Easy. Tax cuts. Tax cuts bring in more revenue. The problem is spending&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: red131</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1616747</link>
		<dc:creator>red131</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, now when do we start? I say we dump&quot;The Republican party&quot; tag and rename ourselves the Conservative party or the Federalists. What states are we targeting for the 2010 Senate races? What do we have to do to build Sarah up? Can Jeff Flake play a part?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, now when do we start? I say we dump&#8221;The Republican party&#8221; tag and rename ourselves the Conservative party or the Federalists. What states are we targeting for the 2010 Senate races? What do we have to do to build Sarah up? Can Jeff Flake play a part?</p>
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		<title>By: right2bright</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1616738</link>
		<dc:creator>right2bright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;

Also, will Fox ever let an opposing view appear against Hiraldo’s rants on amnesty. He just shows up at times and starts.

Did you say Ann Coulter?

She is a goddess but, no, I mean someone with a lot of knowledge and depth.

IlikedAUH2O on November 6, 2008 at 6:58 AM
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Well, Michelle Malkin, until Geraldo threatened her physically, and O&#039;Reilly was to much of a punk to dress Geraldo down.
That should have shown everyone O&#039;Reilly&#039;s true colours.</description>
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<p>Also, will Fox ever let an opposing view appear against Hiraldo’s rants on amnesty. He just shows up at times and starts.</p>
<p>Did you say Ann Coulter?</p>
<p>She is a goddess but, no, I mean someone with a lot of knowledge and depth.</p>
<p>IlikedAUH2O on November 6, 2008 at 6:58 AM
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<p>Well, Michelle Malkin, until Geraldo threatened her physically, and O&#8217;Reilly was to much of a punk to dress Geraldo down.<br />
That should have shown everyone O&#8217;Reilly&#8217;s true colours.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick49</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1616696</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of Senator McCain&#039;s defeat Leo Durocher said it best &quot;Nice guys finish last&quot;.  While McCain had a president with a 24% approval rating, Obama had a Congress with a 14% rating.
What did McCain offer; &quot;to each across the aisle&quot; to  this bunch of losers. Never one word tying Obama to this most useless, ineffective legislative session. What else did he offer strong criticism of any Republican effort  to expose Obama&#039;s past relationships with Wright, Ayers, Rezco, &quot;Frank&quot; , no effort to force Obama to come clean with his birth certificate, medical records, his college records, his college friends, his contacts in Pakistan , no effort to expose the real Obama, a closet Marxist.
What else did he offer; a record RINO past with McCain Feingold, the gang of 12, doing damage to President Bush at every opportunity to keep his &#039;darling of  the NYTimes and liberals in general role of Senator Maverick and appearing time after time with Senator Lieberman either tethered to his hip or peering over his shoulder as if we had a two headed candidate. McCain&#039;s judgment is called into question as he could not even recognize &#039;fair weather liberal friends&#039; who stabbed him in the back over and over again. McCain never called into question Obama&#039;s confessed use of cocaine which would have barred him, as a military person, from any work with or control of nuclear weapons under the DOD PRP program. And so he soon will be C-in-C of the largest  nuclear  force in the world.
Ronald Reagan never offered to meet his opposition, be it democrats or communist, &#039;across the aisle&#039;. He laid out a program that challenged &#039;across the aisle&quot; thinking and defeated his opponents not appeased them. Predictably McCain the appeaser lost. Nice guys finish last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of Senator McCain&#8217;s defeat Leo Durocher said it best &#8220;Nice guys finish last&#8221;.  While McCain had a president with a 24% approval rating, Obama had a Congress with a 14% rating.<br />
What did McCain offer; &#8220;to each across the aisle&#8221; to  this bunch of losers. Never one word tying Obama to this most useless, ineffective legislative session. What else did he offer strong criticism of any Republican effort  to expose Obama&#8217;s past relationships with Wright, Ayers, Rezco, &#8220;Frank&#8221; , no effort to force Obama to come clean with his birth certificate, medical records, his college records, his college friends, his contacts in Pakistan , no effort to expose the real Obama, a closet Marxist.<br />
What else did he offer; a record RINO past with McCain Feingold, the gang of 12, doing damage to President Bush at every opportunity to keep his &#8216;darling of  the NYTimes and liberals in general role of Senator Maverick and appearing time after time with Senator Lieberman either tethered to his hip or peering over his shoulder as if we had a two headed candidate. McCain&#8217;s judgment is called into question as he could not even recognize &#8216;fair weather liberal friends&#8217; who stabbed him in the back over and over again. McCain never called into question Obama&#8217;s confessed use of cocaine which would have barred him, as a military person, from any work with or control of nuclear weapons under the DOD PRP program. And so he soon will be C-in-C of the largest  nuclear  force in the world.<br />
Ronald Reagan never offered to meet his opposition, be it democrats or communist, &#8216;across the aisle&#8217;. He laid out a program that challenged &#8216;across the aisle&#8221; thinking and defeated his opponents not appeased them. Predictably McCain the appeaser lost. Nice guys finish last.</p>
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		<title>By: IlikedAUH2O</title>
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		<dc:creator>IlikedAUH2O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, will Fox ever let an opposing view appear against Hiraldo&#039;s rants on amnesty. He just shows up at times and starts. 

Did you say Ann Coulter?

She is a goddess but, no, I mean someone with a lot of knowledge and depth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, will Fox ever let an opposing view appear against Hiraldo&#8217;s rants on amnesty. He just shows up at times and starts. </p>
<p>Did you say Ann Coulter?</p>
<p>She is a goddess but, no, I mean someone with a lot of knowledge and depth.</p>
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		<title>By: IlikedAUH2O</title>
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		<dc:creator>IlikedAUH2O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor Zero is excellent but implementation is the key. And that is true in most things.

Why didn&#039;t the Republicans have President Bush do the &quot;Concession Speech&quot;? Obama never ran against McCain....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor Zero is excellent but implementation is the key. And that is true in most things.</p>
<p>Why didn&#8217;t the Republicans have President Bush do the &#8220;Concession Speech&#8221;? Obama never ran against McCain&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: anniekc</title>
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		<dc:creator>anniekc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 11:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mort Kondracke said the Republican Party is the party of old white people and we should befriend hispanics. Yeah, that worked out well, Mort. Douche&lt;blockquote&gt;


So far the best thing to come from this election is the freedom to walk away from the MSM and esp. those crusty old Fox allstars, like Mort and Fred. I thought I was going to barf watching them all patting themselves on the back last night- I guess Nina Easton has hated McCain ever since he beat Romney.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mort Kondracke said the Republican Party is the party of old white people and we should befriend hispanics. Yeah, that worked out well, Mort. Douche<br />
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<p>So far the best thing to come from this election is the freedom to walk away from the MSM and esp. those crusty old Fox allstars, like Mort and Fred. I thought I was going to barf watching them all patting themselves on the back last night- I guess Nina Easton has hated McCain ever since he beat Romney.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And the BHO celebration continues - European markets are all down around 4%.  Add some more trillions onto the cost of the BHO election ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And the BHO celebration continues &#8211; European markets are all down around 4%.  Add some more trillions onto the cost of the BHO election &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: SgtSVJones</title>
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		<dc:creator>SgtSVJones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SuperCool,

Actually some moronic people do-like the folks who protest at abortion clinics or my friend who is such a hard-up Christian that he had troubles voting for Romney simply because he had changed his position on social issues and was a &quot;cultist&quot; (Mormon)

That&#039;s a part of the party that we will (unfortunately) need to cut loose from because they (single issue or primarily social voters) have become a baggage. 

For example Bush&#039;s push for the Defense of Marriage Act....or how about the Terri Schiavo fiasco that &lt;em&gt;Congress &lt;/em&gt;got involved in?!

Again, I&#039;m pro-life from conception until natural death but that was a personal issue that got insanely (and asininely) overplayed for ages! It is also our outgoing President&#039;s biggest failure in my opinion...he focused way too much on this menial bullcrap that has next to nothing to do with the survival of our nation as an economic power

*He could have lifted the Executive Ban on Drilling Offshore post-Katrina but took until July of &lt;em&gt;this year&lt;/em&gt; to do anything

*He could have (and should have) asked more people to join the military post 9/11....and once Iraq got put in the shitter (around mid 2004ish) started &lt;em&gt;drafting&lt;/em&gt; folks and tossed Rumsfeld then. A lot and I mean a lot of good people would have probably not died had the strategic change occurred in 04 instead of 07

*Immigration Reform...don&#039;t get me started. Just visit Michelle&#039;s site for some info

*Rampant cronyism and utter cluelessness: Think &quot;Good job Brownie&quot; or &quot;ICE Princess Juile Myers&quot;

Finally....Thank you President George W Bush for completely and totally screwing over the Republican party and brand in a manner not seen since Richard M Nixon. 


Now then &quot;about-face!&quot; on these RINO critters...hunt &#039;em down and toss em out! The rest of us...&quot;Forward March!&quot; into the new, true, Federalist Conservative Republican Party</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SuperCool,</p>
<p>Actually some moronic people do-like the folks who protest at abortion clinics or my friend who is such a hard-up Christian that he had troubles voting for Romney simply because he had changed his position on social issues and was a &#8220;cultist&#8221; (Mormon)</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a part of the party that we will (unfortunately) need to cut loose from because they (single issue or primarily social voters) have become a baggage. </p>
<p>For example Bush&#8217;s push for the Defense of Marriage Act&#8230;.or how about the Terri Schiavo fiasco that <em>Congress </em>got involved in?!</p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m pro-life from conception until natural death but that was a personal issue that got insanely (and asininely) overplayed for ages! It is also our outgoing President&#8217;s biggest failure in my opinion&#8230;he focused way too much on this menial bullcrap that has next to nothing to do with the survival of our nation as an economic power</p>
<p>*He could have lifted the Executive Ban on Drilling Offshore post-Katrina but took until July of <em>this year</em> to do anything</p>
<p>*He could have (and should have) asked more people to join the military post 9/11&#8230;.and once Iraq got put in the shitter (around mid 2004ish) started <em>drafting</em> folks and tossed Rumsfeld then. A lot and I mean a lot of good people would have probably not died had the strategic change occurred in 04 instead of 07</p>
<p>*Immigration Reform&#8230;don&#8217;t get me started. Just visit Michelle&#8217;s site for some info</p>
<p>*Rampant cronyism and utter cluelessness: Think &#8220;Good job Brownie&#8221; or &#8220;ICE Princess Juile Myers&#8221;</p>
<p>Finally&#8230;.Thank you President George W Bush for completely and totally screwing over the Republican party and brand in a manner not seen since Richard M Nixon. </p>
<p>Now then &#8220;about-face!&#8221; on these RINO critters&#8230;hunt &#8216;em down and toss em out! The rest of us&#8230;&#8221;Forward March!&#8221; into the new, true, Federalist Conservative Republican Party</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A Axe on November 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

To put it another way, if we look at the % of people who went to vote and voted for President we get:

% of voters who voted for President

1996  90.2%
2000  93.7%
2004  96.0%

and, if one assumes a total 125 million votes cast for President this year (66 BHO, 59 McCain), and 137 million who voted

2008  91.2%

if you use the 148 million figure I got from somewhere for the total who voted this year, you get

2008  84.5%

But it doesn&#039;t really matter for the 2008 stat, Presidential voting this year was either one of the lowest in history (with my 148 number) or just not very impressive and much lower than 2004 or 2000 (with the 137 total voter number) and, without any question, broke a trend of increasing Presidential participation by voters.  Usually, trends like this that are broken merit some attention.  This one probably goes right back to the shamnesty debacle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A Axe on November 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>To put it another way, if we look at the % of people who went to vote and voted for President we get:</p>
<p>% of voters who voted for President</p>
<p>1996  90.2%<br />
2000  93.7%<br />
2004  96.0%</p>
<p>and, if one assumes a total 125 million votes cast for President this year (66 BHO, 59 McCain), and 137 million who voted</p>
<p>2008  91.2%</p>
<p>if you use the 148 million figure I got from somewhere for the total who voted this year, you get</p>
<p>2008  84.5%</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t really matter for the 2008 stat, Presidential voting this year was either one of the lowest in history (with my 148 number) or just not very impressive and much lower than 2004 or 2000 (with the 137 total voter number) and, without any question, broke a trend of increasing Presidential participation by voters.  Usually, trends like this that are broken merit some attention.  This one probably goes right back to the shamnesty debacle.</p>
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		<title>By: SuperCool</title>
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		<dc:creator>SuperCool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ideas here:

1.) Close the primaries….period! You must be registered Republican no earlier than 30 days prior to the primary in your state….kapeesh?

2.) Put Iowa…..well somewhere in the middle for the love of God! I mean honestly it’s caucuses are a joke and if the Huck-a-shmuck can pull out a win there simply by saying “Yea I believe in Jesus yall!” then you know something’s gotta change!

3.) All of the social cons are going to HATE me for this one but here goes: take abortion, gay marriage, and other personal moral choices OUT of the national political scene and return them to the states (where they belong) for Chrissake. Note the passage of California’s gay marriage ban for a good example. 

If you really and truly believe in SMALL CONSERVATIVE FEDERALISTIC GOVERNMENT than you will admit (however belatedly) that it should have zero and I mean zero business telling you what you can or can’t eat, produce, purchase, smoke, ingest, do sexually, etc at the Federal level. 

I am a strong Catholic and believe that both abortion and homosexuality are morally wrong. But I also believe (and freely acknowledge) that God gave us free will for a reason: namely that we would in the end chose His side for Good rather then the other for Evil. So I say very simply leave Gay Marriage in the hands of the States (where it belongs), return Abortion to the States (where it belongs), do the same for (brace yourselves here) marijuana, school choice, vouchers, and a whole host of other issues. 

Allow folks to exercise their free will to give the legalization (and degree of) abortion, homosexual behaviors, drug use, school choice, vouchers, etc a simple up or down vote via referendum, initiative or State Constitutional Amendment…and then if you don’t like it…..

DRUMROLL PLEASE

MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!

People (and businesses) already move into/ or out of areas that have higher taxes, better schools, more or less crime, etc etc. What is so hard about coming to grips with the fact that if you don’t like abortion or don’t want your offspring to get one simply move to another state that is more in line with your values. Hell, the taxes will probably be lower and schools better too

SgtSVJones on November 5, 2008 at 11:02 PM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m with you, Sarge. Especially point number 3.

FED-ER-AL-ISM!

Learn it, know it, live it.

Does anybody actually believe that overturning Roe will actually wipe out abortion in all 50 states? It won&#039;t, but that was never the point of overturning &lt;em&gt;Roe&lt;/em&gt;, the point of overturning &lt;em&gt;Roe&lt;/em&gt; is to return the legislation regarding abortion back to the States, rather than having them imposed upon the entire nation via judicial fiat.

Gay marriage, civil unions, what ever: Matter for the individual states. And y&#039;know what? The &lt;em&gt;States&lt;/em&gt;, have a pretty good track record there! The only States where you have same sex marriage are in states where it was imposed by the State Supreme Courts.

Most stuff is a matter for the individual states. By contrast there are &lt;em&gt;very few&lt;/em&gt; things the federal government should be concerning itself with. Some regulation of buisness and trade is required. That&#039;s something for the federal government to do. National Security: The Federal Government&#039;s primary role as far as I&#039;m concerned. Issuing currency: definately. Interstate Law Enforcement: most certainly! Interstate highways and their maitinence: absolutely! Immigration control: Should be an intrinsic part of National Security!...just to name a few on the short list. There&#039;s obviously more that the fed should be responsible for, but never should it be in any area that the Constitution specifically relegated authority to The States.

Fiscal conservatism, a strong national defense, and a truck load of Federalism!

That&#039;s the party we &lt;em&gt;NEED&lt;/em&gt; to be.

That&#039;s the party people will vote for because deep down that&#039;s the type of government most people WANT.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ideas here:</p>
<p>1.) Close the primaries….period! You must be registered Republican no earlier than 30 days prior to the primary in your state….kapeesh?</p>
<p>2.) Put Iowa…..well somewhere in the middle for the love of God! I mean honestly it’s caucuses are a joke and if the Huck-a-shmuck can pull out a win there simply by saying “Yea I believe in Jesus yall!” then you know something’s gotta change!</p>
<p>3.) All of the social cons are going to HATE me for this one but here goes: take abortion, gay marriage, and other personal moral choices OUT of the national political scene and return them to the states (where they belong) for Chrissake. Note the passage of California’s gay marriage ban for a good example. </p>
<p>If you really and truly believe in SMALL CONSERVATIVE FEDERALISTIC GOVERNMENT than you will admit (however belatedly) that it should have zero and I mean zero business telling you what you can or can’t eat, produce, purchase, smoke, ingest, do sexually, etc at the Federal level. </p>
<p>I am a strong Catholic and believe that both abortion and homosexuality are morally wrong. But I also believe (and freely acknowledge) that God gave us free will for a reason: namely that we would in the end chose His side for Good rather then the other for Evil. So I say very simply leave Gay Marriage in the hands of the States (where it belongs), return Abortion to the States (where it belongs), do the same for (brace yourselves here) marijuana, school choice, vouchers, and a whole host of other issues. </p>
<p>Allow folks to exercise their free will to give the legalization (and degree of) abortion, homosexual behaviors, drug use, school choice, vouchers, etc a simple up or down vote via referendum, initiative or State Constitutional Amendment…and then if you don’t like it…..</p>
<p>DRUMROLL PLEASE</p>
<p>MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE!</p>
<p>People (and businesses) already move into/ or out of areas that have higher taxes, better schools, more or less crime, etc etc. What is so hard about coming to grips with the fact that if you don’t like abortion or don’t want your offspring to get one simply move to another state that is more in line with your values. Hell, the taxes will probably be lower and schools better too</p>
<p>SgtSVJones on November 5, 2008 at 11:02 PM</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m with you, Sarge. Especially point number 3.</p>
<p>FED-ER-AL-ISM!</p>
<p>Learn it, know it, live it.</p>
<p>Does anybody actually believe that overturning Roe will actually wipe out abortion in all 50 states? It won&#8217;t, but that was never the point of overturning <em>Roe</em>, the point of overturning <em>Roe</em> is to return the legislation regarding abortion back to the States, rather than having them imposed upon the entire nation via judicial fiat.</p>
<p>Gay marriage, civil unions, what ever: Matter for the individual states. And y&#8217;know what? The <em>States</em>, have a pretty good track record there! The only States where you have same sex marriage are in states where it was imposed by the State Supreme Courts.</p>
<p>Most stuff is a matter for the individual states. By contrast there are <em>very few</em> things the federal government should be concerning itself with. Some regulation of buisness and trade is required. That&#8217;s something for the federal government to do. National Security: The Federal Government&#8217;s primary role as far as I&#8217;m concerned. Issuing currency: definately. Interstate Law Enforcement: most certainly! Interstate highways and their maitinence: absolutely! Immigration control: Should be an intrinsic part of National Security!&#8230;just to name a few on the short list. There&#8217;s obviously more that the fed should be responsible for, but never should it be in any area that the Constitution specifically relegated authority to The States.</p>
<p>Fiscal conservatism, a strong national defense, and a truck load of Federalism!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the party we <em>NEED</em> to be.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the party people will vote for because deep down that&#8217;s the type of government most people WANT.</p>
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		<title>By: csdeven</title>
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		<dc:creator>csdeven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 07:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hawthorne on November 6, 2008 at 1:44 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Excellent points!!! This is the exact reason why we true conservatives didn&#039;t want to support a RINO in McCain. Well, we tried it their way and we now get Obama and possibly 3 liberal justices on the supreme court that will skew our country to the left for 20+ years. Never again! We will reject the RINO&#039;s and only support real conservatives. We will start this process by excoriating McCain until he leaves office. Along with him, we will expose his staffers so they will never again have an influence in a republican campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hawthorne on November 6, 2008 at 1:44 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>Excellent points!!! This is the exact reason why we true conservatives didn&#8217;t want to support a RINO in McCain. Well, we tried it their way and we now get Obama and possibly 3 liberal justices on the supreme court that will skew our country to the left for 20+ years. Never again! We will reject the RINO&#8217;s and only support real conservatives. We will start this process by excoriating McCain until he leaves office. Along with him, we will expose his staffers so they will never again have an influence in a republican campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: Hawthorne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hawthorne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those folks that are spewing nonsense about moving more to the center I will point out a couple of cogent facts here.

The people that lost were primarily the moderate Republicans.  Dole, Sununu, Shays, etc all got beat.  The conservative Republicans generally kept their seats.

Many of the new Democrats are conservative Democrats.  We have more &quot;Blue Dogs&quot; in Congress than we have seen in some time.  The Democrats are finding more success being conservative than we are finding being moderate.  They are beating us at our own game.

So for the folks that keep insisting we go more to the center, put that in your pipe and smoke it.  If we would have stayed conservative instead of listening to you guys, we would still have a majority in Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those folks that are spewing nonsense about moving more to the center I will point out a couple of cogent facts here.</p>
<p>The people that lost were primarily the moderate Republicans.  Dole, Sununu, Shays, etc all got beat.  The conservative Republicans generally kept their seats.</p>
<p>Many of the new Democrats are conservative Democrats.  We have more &#8220;Blue Dogs&#8221; in Congress than we have seen in some time.  The Democrats are finding more success being conservative than we are finding being moderate.  They are beating us at our own game.</p>
<p>So for the folks that keep insisting we go more to the center, put that in your pipe and smoke it.  If we would have stayed conservative instead of listening to you guys, we would still have a majority in Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
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		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;A Axe on November 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The increases in Pres vote totals from election to election are:

1996-2000  10%
2000-2004  16%
2004-2008  3.5% (and that&#039;s adding &lt;strong&gt;4&lt;/strong&gt; million to the total now)

Yeah, I can see the explosive growth in total Presidential votes.  Very impressive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>A Axe on November 6, 2008 at 1:33 AM</p></blockquote>
<p>The increases in Pres vote totals from election to election are:</p>
<p>1996-2000  10%<br />
2000-2004  16%<br />
2004-2008  3.5% (and that&#8217;s adding <strong>4</strong> million to the total now)</p>
<p>Yeah, I can see the explosive growth in total Presidential votes.  Very impressive.</p>
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		<title>By: A Axe</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Axe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:33:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually FiveThirtyEight reports that O&#039;s vote count right now is at 63.7 million, and should go upto 65.6 million.

That is a gain of 3.5 million votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually FiveThirtyEight reports that O&#8217;s vote count right now is at 63.7 million, and should go upto 65.6 million.</p>
<p>That is a gain of 3.5 million votes.</p>
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		<title>By: progressoverpeace</title>
		<link>http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/05/notes-from-the-collapse/comment-page-8/#comment-1616375</link>
		<dc:creator>progressoverpeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, the Nikkei and Hang Seng are both down around 6.5%.

I don&#039;t quite remember how the liberals liked to do it, but calculating the cost to the world of BHO&#039;s election seems to be running around 5 or 6 trillion, already - given our BHO drop, today, and asia&#039;s fall down the well, tonight.  That&#039;s one big bill ... just for the appetizer.  I can&#039;t wait until he starts articulating his great new tax ideas and restraints on our productivity.  That shouldn&#039;t cost more than 8 trillion when he says it ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, the Nikkei and Hang Seng are both down around 6.5%.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t quite remember how the liberals liked to do it, but calculating the cost to the world of BHO&#8217;s election seems to be running around 5 or 6 trillion, already &#8211; given our BHO drop, today, and asia&#8217;s fall down the well, tonight.  That&#8217;s one big bill &#8230; just for the appetizer.  I can&#8217;t wait until he starts articulating his great new tax ideas and restraints on our productivity.  That shouldn&#8217;t cost more than 8 trillion when he says it &#8230;</p>
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