Notes from the collapse
posted at 10:35 am on November 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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This morning, after having absorbed the substantial victory of Barack Obama, I noticed a couple of interesting items in the data. Barack Obama certainly won this race, but he won it with just a little more votes than George Bush won in his re-election bid, and the turnout models came up short.
In 2004, Bush beat John Kerry by winning 62.04 million votes. In 2008, Obama won 62.443 million, a gain of only 400,000. In 2004, Kerry garnered 59.028 million votes; John McCain only got 55.386 million. That means this election saw 3.24 million fewer votes than four years ago. Far from being more energized, the nation appeared to be more apathetic.
Using these numbers, we can see that Barack Obama succeeded in turning out his base much more effectively than McCain did his. How do we know that it’s a base turnout rather than a tsunami of opinion to Democrats? For one thing, Dems didn’t pick up a boatload of new seats in the House, and they may underperform expectations yet in the Senate. They did gain some strength with independents, but only gaining between 11-20 seats in the House tells us that they found votes in districts they already control, more than finding converts.
There’s nothing wrong with that; George Bush won two elections doing the same thing. He only gained 3 million votes over John Kerry’s 2004 performance. It does reflect a certain brittleness about Obama’s support that may not be evident in the flush of his Electoral College victory. That doesn’t mean he can’t broaden his appeal after winning office, but it does mean that he primarily won among friendlies and not through appeals to bipartisanship.
John McCain and the GOP didn’t get their turnout in this race. They lost almost seven million voters from 2004, a rather stunning number. We’ll be chewing on this for a while, but that’s more than 10% of the Bush vote that got lost in this election. Did they stay home, or did significant numbers of them defect to Obama? I’m guessing the former. The GOP demoralized their base by acting like Democrats for too many years, and the winds of “change” proved too dispiriting this time around.
Is it his fault? I don’t think it’s his fault as much as the historical trend. Republicans faced two strong headwinds in this race: history and their own fecklessness as a party. History tells us that the White House almost always changes party after two terms with one, and Bush is a particularly disliked incumbent. The Republican Party lost its soul when it launched its K Street Project, and the spendfest of 2001-6 only made that more clear.
If the GOP wants to win 60 million votes in future national elections, it has to stand for something other than being Democrat Lite. The Republican Party needs clarity, purpose, and most importantly, an end to the hypocrisy of talking smaller government while porking up their districts. When given only a choice between real Democrats and fake Democrats, Americans will choose the former, which we found out in 2006.
Update: I wrote “latter” when I meant “former”; I don’t think that defections account for Obama’s victory.
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Yes but when will America elect a disabled, black, Muslim lesbian President?
aengus on November 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Good morning Terrye. I am afraid you are right and if the republicans want to get back in power they need to rethink their ideeas. Small goverment sounds nice but people want the goverment to do things for them. Small goverment, lower taxes, individualism they are all excellent principles but people most be shocked with simple ideeas that can digest easely. What about the frivolious law suits? Can we put a break on them? What about some form of sanctions for those attorney generals that behave like the medieval inchizitors? What about rising the standards of education? School programes (and not battles over creationism).
clemycali on November 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Palin was so strong. The one bright spot in the campaign.
Paul-Cincy on November 5, 2008 at 11:20 AM
aengus:
No, McCain did not recant anything. He never said he did not support border security first and as far as that is concerned Palin supports comprehensive immigration reform herself, after border security.
And just what did this whole hissy fit from hardliners do for the party? Did they sit home and let Barack Obama, {the man most likely to give drivers licenses to illegal aliens} win the election. And they expect me to believe they really care?
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I didn’t like John McCain either.
But, those who didn’t vote, or who voted for a 3rd party candidate, needs to sit down and shut up! You made your bed, now lie in it!
tre on November 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
All we can do is fight.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Stay calm, friend. You have a smart head on your shoulders, but if we start letting our emotions control us, we will have to resort to atrocious tactics that the Liberals of this country did to win elections.
leetpriest on November 5, 2008 at 11:21 AM
McCain picked Palin. She didn’t deliver and became an albatross.
McCain failed on the economy.
McCain went too negative and people didn’t like it.
McCain failed to perform well enough at the debates.
Obama was solid enough to get through.
Enough of the country was pis*ed off and wanted a change. They got it.
Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Outspent by huge margins due to illegal foreign contributions. “bought the election”?
Fighting a highly parsian media on a daily basis.
Rejection of a 8 year president who has abandon conservative principles.
Palinpuma on November 5, 2008 at 11:22 AM
As soon as they pull her rock bruised ass out of the stoning pile.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Oh .. don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.
CanadianGuy on November 5, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Dave Rywall, Lay off the 2012 republican nominee please.
Palinpuma on November 5, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Thats not how politics works Jetboy. Its not up to a certain segment of voters to be unashamedly loyal to any person or party. Its up to the party to actually stand for something. The substance of what the party/candidate stands for is what people will turn out to vote for. In other words, its the ideas stupid! Not the letter in front of the candidate’s name.
Zetterson on November 5, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Bachman’s 6th district is pretty Republican. It’s 95.6% white. The fact it was even close was the nightmare. So think about what you are proposing for the Republican Party’s national future.
The Republican Party needs to court minorities if it wants to remain a national party, and that is a demographic certainty.
haner on November 5, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Ron Paul represents the Old Right. He’s a paleoconservative and opposes the big government, neoconservative influence in the GOP. We paleconservatives detest GWB, but we’re actually quite fond of Reagan. As far as foreign policy goes, Reagan never started an unnecessary war. We want the GOP to return to a more realist foreign policy (as opposed to its idealist foreign policy), and we would have been mostly fine with Reagan’s foreign policy. If Reagan ran in this election, we would have voted for him. In fact, we only criticize Reagan for not being Reagan enough.
MedSchoolCatholic on November 5, 2008 at 11:24 AM
The banking-stock market collapse sunk McCain in all the big states that were close.
It was amazing that he did as well as he did. And Palin was a plus in spite of what the media says. He would have gotten fewer votes with one of the old guys as a running mate.
forest on November 5, 2008 at 11:24 AM
clemycali:
Conservatives need to find a way to make people believe that they can meet their own needs better than government can. Education, economic opportunities, free enterprise.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:24 AM
True, however we all have to share the damn bed for at least four years.
carbon_footprint on November 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I agree with the Fuhrerprinzip only in a very small part, insofar as we need responsible leadership and baby boomers can’t supply that. I’d like to see us recruit people for office. In my district the republican side of the ticket always seems empty, libertarians filling the gap. If the party doesn’t become a recruiting machine, instead of a power-maintenance machine, we will suffer the same fate. Is there any point in making Palin/jindal head of the GoP now, based on these principles?
anti-boomer on November 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
palin is the only reason people voted for McCain. Remember that pathetic event in front of the green backdrop with ten people? Tell me palin didn’t save him from total, crushing defeat.
texaninfidel on November 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
No Dave, the change has not come yet. The people have not yet gotten what they voted for. That’s the thing, we know what the nature of the change is going to be. You and your ilk don’t.
You illustrate the ignorance of liberalism with each and every post!
jeff_from_mpls on November 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
This how we should all feel right now
NorDak75 on November 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Now the rinos and elitist repubs are trying to spin it, blame the base, blame Palin. No, the base warned you people. Pick MCCAin, we lose. Why? Cause when you have 2 libs, people will go for the real deal almost always. McCain came off sounding lib on the environment, immigration, even fiscally (t was hard to argue when the dems kept brining up that he voted against tax cuts because it helped the WEALTHY based on McShame). He also kept hounding Iraq, when the war on terror is so much more than Iraq. It is as if that is all he knew. I can say it now, I cringed at every debate and at every McCain speech. He never sounded convincing to me. The only reason I voted for him was BECAUSE OF PALIN.
immigrantchick on November 5, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Now that we’ve heard from the SFB Canadian tree hugging fringe, it’s official: The only mandate here is we need a truly conservative, small government, low taxes, pro business, border enforcing party before 2010.
AubieJon on November 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
MedSchoolCatholic:
Ron Paul is also a neo nazi anti semitic truther. And just having him up there on that stage with the other Republican candidates made them all look a little more ridiculous.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Sorry I forgot the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90ELleCQvew
NorDak75 on November 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Ed, this is an excellent piece of analysis by the way.
Zetterson on November 5, 2008 at 11:26 AM
Well, the case can be made that government can do more for its people, but at a more local level. I’ve often said that the more local the government gets, the more democratic I get. I get to see where my money goes. I have a louder voice in how it’s spent. I see the roads getting fixed. The national government should have no part in doing the state’s/county’s/municipality’s business. That argument should be made. Heck, even Dems will agree to that. Then you fight for your principles on a smaller stage.
Matticus Finch on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
No no, friend. Asking me to hold my nose while I stick my face in feces is asking a bit too much.
leetpriest on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 11:22 AM
care to comment on the $600+ million that came into Obama’s coffers from unknown sources, or his shady dealing that propelled him to the top of the class in the Chicago/Illinois politics ?
runner on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
By the way, some of you guys can’t be serious in suggesting that your or my happiness is remotely related to who is or is not President of the United States?
I am as happy today as I was yesterday, and the day before.
jeff_from_mpls on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
We need to compile lists of what the media has done that was either outright illegal or corrupt.
For instance, when they find admitted voter fraud and don’t report it, wouldn’t they be considered an accomplice to the crime?
We need to file libel lawsuits. And not just against the media, but against the people the media relies on for information. I can’t tell you how many articles I read that cited FactCheck.org’s article on Illinois’ BAIPA. But I e-mailed FactCheck.org FOUR times to tell them that they were slandering Gianna Jessen because they were ignoring the Herbst-O’Malley Agreement. Jessen should file a libel lawsuit against FActCheck.org because they KNEW they were lying and never retracted it.
Likewise, if it is true that Hawaii has an official birth certificate for Obama that FactCheck.org did not actually handle – then FactCheck.org is guilty of outright lying and could be charged with trying to manipulate an election.
I’m just brainstorming here. We have to do something so that even the lying scum in the media have to report on their lying scumminess. Because the scum-dogs are the only people our useful idiots listen to. I think the only way to do it is through large-scale protests or legal action.
We need to flood the phone lines of all the radio and TV stations to protest specific instances of negligence. We need to find out who advertises in The LA Times and boycott them, making sure they know why.
justincase on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Dave:
Don’t you have a country of your own? Poor baby. Gloating troll without a country.
Palin got more votes yesterday than you will ever get. In fact she got more votes than Canada has people.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
Americans have become very fickle.
When (not if) gas and electricity prices go through the roof they will forget all the smooth rhetoric and we’ll be right there to remind them…we told you so!
Maybe now we’ll stop shooting ourselves in the foot, rediscover our ideals and write them in stone so the GOP brand won’t be tainted by weaklings.
Speakup on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
The GOP, or anyone else for that matter probably wouldn’t be able to win elections in the future. The democrats will rig the game to their favor by reversing all voter security laws and through the massive growth in union power.
It’s pretty obvious the democrats didn’t care about the law and ethics in this election. Massive nation wide voter fraud and millions upon million in illegal campaign contributions.
Nope … the democrats will win all future elections.
darwin on November 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM
McCain’s commitment to comprehensive immigration reform was understandable, when you consider that it earned him the support of 31 percent of Hispanic voters. He needn’t have risked jeopardizing that by pandering to the conservative base. /sarc
aengus on November 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Ed, AP is reporting that when all the absentee, early, provisional ballots are counted the total will exceed 130 million, which is why some races are too close to call even with 99-100% of the precincts counted (North Carolina, Georgia, Missou, Prop. 8 in California, etc.). In the end the GOP turnout probably won’t hit the 2004 levels, but it may end up being a record turnout overall, and the percentage of the population that voted appears to be the highest in decades.
okonkolo on November 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Haner, the crucial question then must be, “how do you suggest we court minorities?”
Zetterson on November 5, 2008 at 11:28 AM
Where the GOP’s focus should be on in 2010
1. Fight for CENSUS. If we can get enough control over state houses we can control redistricting for many states. That would put the DNC at a disadvantage
Currently how thenumbers break down
States that gain congressional seats
Texas +4
Arizona +2
Florida +2
Georgia +1
Nevada +1
North Carolina +1
Oregon +1
South Carolina +1
Utah +1
States that will lose congressional seats
California -1
Illinois -1
Iowa -1
Louisiana -1
Massachusetts -1
Michigan -1
Minnesota -1
Missouri -1
New Jersey -1
Pennsylvania -1
New York -2
Ohio -2
As can be seen there will be a large shift of congressional seats in 2010. Unfortunately the dems will have control of the census data so they can monkey with the results. But if the GOP is SMART we can gain control of key state houses and control how congressional seats are divided up.
We need to do what the dems did in 2006. They targeted SEC of states like here in Ohio to get a political hack like Jennifer Bunner. The GOP must make an effort to take her out.
Start to do some SERIOUS party buiidling. Party building isnt getting pork or buying phone banks or giving to GOP mass mailing organizations. People make up our party not just a few select elites with connections.
Creating a news stronger conservative media. Rush and Hannity and the blogosphere need to act as ONE rather than just being seperate entities. Rush needs to put his money where his mouth is and help to rebuild this party. That goes for all the talking heads of the conservative movement.
Lets get some IDEAS out there GOP! We cant just be a negation of big government. Just saying no isnt enough we have to explain why no is a better option. Ideas are sorely lacking in our party right now
CLEAN OUT THE RNC ! Mel Martinez is a total flop as a political leader. No more political hacks the Dems backed a left wing extremist howard Dean for DNC leader and he has led them back to the best showing in a decade. The DNC moved left it didnt moderate. The GOP needs to move right and not moderate.
William Amos on November 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Now, everyone who did not vote for BO needs to help the other half of the country realize that the change they voted for will hurt this country. I am for sure not flying for a while. I just hope CA is safe cause i have to go there soon.
immigrantchick on November 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Cicero43
Perfectly put!
People want to be led – strong ideas and convictions always trump mush.
This debacle of an election proves the utter failure of appealing to those with no real conviction as opposed to firing up your philosophical base.
You lead undecided voters-you don’t cater to their whims
jjshaka on November 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
I frankly don’t understand how folks aren’t talking about Obama’s money advantage… He was beating McCain 7 to 1 in florida on ads.
This fraud bought the election!
Palinpuma on November 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Speakup:
I think you are right, people got pissed off over gas prices and if gas prices go back up or if electricity really does sky rocket, they will get pissed of all over again.
People do not take the long view anymore. It is all right now, today.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
That sound you hear is an entire nation skidding in to a ditch. Now lets work to get it out.
Bald Igle on November 5, 2008 at 11:29 AM
Here it is in a microcosm:
Imagine the entire population of the United States being represented by ten people floating in an open boat.
Two of the ten are Conservatives. Two are Hard Left Liberals-the rest vary.
One issue is debated:
“Whether or not to knock a hole in the bottom of the boat.”
The two Conservatives say, “Of course not! The boat will sink!”
The rest of the people vote to make the hole, having been promised by the Liberals that it will help the boat to float fairly.
Everybody drowns.
Doug on November 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Terrye….During the primaries I kept telling my husband, who liked McCain, that we can’t do what the Dems did in 2004 and go with someone just because we think they have the best shot at winning. Didn’t work for them and it didn’t work for us.
Let’s get our act together and work to save our country!
Hurting Head on November 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM
I thought we got over this nonsense:look at the numbers of votes in the primaries. The republican base voted for McCain and not the cross over votes aka the independents and the democrats. They were busy in the raging war between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.
Teyrre, I said preciselly the same thing. And I must add that GOP must do something to make inroads among minorities. Athor way its going to remain a regional party and never be able to get the control of the Congress or the White House. Food for the thought.
clemycali on November 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM
No, it needs to teach everyone about capitalism, the realities of foreign policy, and personal responsibility. The very labeling of some Americans as “minorities” is part of the problem.
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 11:30 AM
This is the one that pisses me off. Liberals and Media deciding whats negative.
We endure Family Guy Cartoon in Nazi uniforms wearing McCain Palin campaign buttons. We endure being the butt of the vast majority of jokes on every late night talk or comedy news show. As reported by the media itself, negative press on conservatives runs at about 75 percent. And the Obama camp and their surragates had the temerity to even make fun of McCains ability to use a keyboard amongst other negative ads. The coverage of Palin was near criminal.
Here is what I say to your assessment of conservatives using negative ads. “So what?” If they resonate, we’ll use them too.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I am so sick of “the base” and their pathetic stay at home bleatings? Where did they turn out even locally? Show me the “rock-ribbed” conseratives they “supported” in the states that turned blue.
This “base” is a damaging mythology. We will have to build a new and better one.
clnurnberg on November 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM
I just wonder if the ever increasing hispanic vote means the GOP is locked into minority status regardless of what we do.
Golden Boy on November 5, 2008 at 11:31 AM
haner:
I think we need to get more minority people too. There has to be a way. Otherwise, the pool of potential voters get smaller and smaller.
Perhaps bringing forward people like Steele and Jindal will help.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Even if there are DOJ investigations, they will all be ended on January 21, 2009.
Anyone think Patrick Fitzgerald will be fired from his U.S. Attorney post in the People’s Republic of Chicago? I can’t see him staying on in an Obama adminstration to root out all of the Rezko associations.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Sarah Palin was a real person who lives conservative principles.
She is the opposite of those on the left or right who view political belief as an abstraction out of a textbook.
jeff_from_mpls on November 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM
One more thing. Hillary is done as a Presidential candidate.
For all those who believed Hillary was more to fear than Hussein, you just got proved wrong. At least with Hillary we would have a President who actually loves America.
indythinker on November 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM
And when we do, the MSM will accuse conservatives of racial profiling. That’s how we’ll know we’re doing it right.
AubieJon on November 5, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Mitt Romney represents all that is wrong with the Republican party. He is an opportunist pandering liberal K-Street RINO. If you want defeat in 2012…tie your wagon to the Mittster.
portlandon on November 5, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Golden Boy:
But a lot of those hispanics are socially conservative and hard working. Look at Tito.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Well then you don’t have the right to complain about president Obama.
clemycali on November 5, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Ok, and how is this worse than the jew-hating, white-hating, terrorist loving, marxist loving that was just elected CIC?
ClassicCon on November 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Tru dat! Bring on Teh Fred!!!
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
+1
I think the main problem is that, continuing the metaphor, the two conservatives were trying to argue that the hole would get everyone’s feet wet instead of making the boat sink. The libs simply respond that everyone can hold up their feet.
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
Some issues are worth going down over. If we lose the right to life issue. Count me out.
I by nature strive for inclusion. Color, gender, lifestyle, religion. I don’t care. But fiscal responsibility and smaller government and most of all, the right to life. I would not concede any of that.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 11:34 AM
indythinker:
Hillary did not scare or worry me like Obama does. We know what to expect from the Clintons. Better the devil you know.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Bonny Fwank and Chris Dodd may be breathing easier today. Assuming they were ever worried McCain would have done anything.
AubieJon on November 5, 2008 at 11:35 AM
Could not have said it better myself. The same goes for Huckabee, Giuliani, and even Fred Thompson.
MedSchoolCatholic on November 5, 2008 at 11:35 AM
The sound of her voice alone for the next 8 years would have driven many a man to madness.
I thank God for sparing me the trial of hearing that awful screeching sound day after day.
jeff_from_mpls on November 5, 2008 at 11:36 AM
pandering works. shameless promotion to important positions doesn’t. you tell me. racial wounds are wide open.
since when did Americans think it a virtue to engage in Vergangenheitsbewaeltigung?
anti-boomer on November 5, 2008 at 11:36 AM
You fail to mention two stronger headwinds that were critical: The total corrupt MSM in the tank for Obama & all the money, much of it untraceable over whelming traditional norms.
The media has demonstrated is it a totally untrustworthy institution in this country.
wepeople on November 5, 2008 at 11:36 AM
A big problem is that many like me were voting against.
It didn’t work out this time.
roux on November 5, 2008 at 11:37 AM
No, I suspect part of the deal is Biden out in 2012 with her as VP with one shot as an elder first woman President with someone like Kane in 16. She is still in there.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 11:37 AM
What jumps out at me is 62M for Bush down to 55M for McCain. Kerry got 59M.
BO, with all their ACORN and vaunted get out the vote, did only as well as Bush in ‘04. Even Kerry got better results than McCain.
Ed is right on about fecklessness as a party. I’m not so sure about history. 3.24M votes less in this election is huge, and the fact that BO got roughly 3M more votes than Kerry.
The premise that history explains some of this I reject. It turns a blind eye to any qualities other than history.
The Republican party lacks some things that mitigate history:
1. Conservative Leadership: – McCain was Democrat Lite and painfully obvious. You cannot pander about ‘earmark’s all summer and then cave on 700B of spending with no accountability
2. Conservative Vision and Conviction: Bush is a great guy, but wanted to be bi-partisan rather than fight for ideals. Spending was out of control, failed to aggressively go after Fannie and Freddie and pin blame, and then when things started to go south, ran scared and decided to throw a ton of money at it.
3. Republicans don’t fight for what they believe – McCain’s reputation for being a RINO hurts, because it appears weak on policy, values, and leadership.
4. Republicans need to get over this narcissistic penchant to be loved by the other side. Please. Democrats don’t have this problem. What football coach would last wanting to be ‘honorable’ in going easy on the other team. You win on your terms, your values, your convictions.
I mean look at how silly this election is. A Republican candidate cannot seem to articulate and attack the values, easily distilled on this site, against a left wing socialist. My word, it is not like the candidates were close in their ideologies. Ah…..but we wanted to run an ‘honorable’ campaign? We won’t shoot except on every other tuesdays and several targets are off limits.
No, the history argument lets too leaders off for doing too little. Leadership and vision matter. We were given the extraordinary mantle in Congress and White House until 2006. We lost it all. On our watch.
Unacceptable leadership. We took it for granted.
Starlink on November 5, 2008 at 11:37 AM
It is time to start being for something instead of just against things. Reagan was Reagan because of what he stood for. I can’t help thinking that since he’s left us, we’ve been waiting passively for another Reagan to take his place and lead us. No more. We each need to be Reagan in our own lives; with our own families, and in our own communities. We are the new leadership. The sell outs and chameleons and the followers are gone now. We will win in the end because we are right, and they are wrong. Their ideas have been tested and they have failed due to immutable characteristics of human nature, and they are 100% destined to fail again. We must work together with a clarity and purity of purpose centered around simple goals. We must take every available opportunity to educate our friends and acquaintences how our principles benefit them in simple, tangible ways in their every day life. Do not just preach principles of personal responsibility and self-reliance; live them.
I don’t know why, but I woke up today with incredible energy to tackle the challenges we have going forward. A personal anecdote: My wife and I bought the gymnastics school she teaches at this summer. I’m a prosecutor, basically a cop in a suit, and I know nothing about gymnastics. As we’ve worked long hours (in my case after working my normal job all day), I’ve wondered aloud over and over, “Why are we doing this? What on Earth is in it for us?” Today was the great moment of clarity, though, the unveiling of God’s plan that was before me the whole time. I have 650 children who are eager to learn, and who will listen to me. I told the wife we start with Veteran’s Day, next Tuesday. We share our principles and lead by example. Hey, we can be community organizers, and do it our way.
Sorry for rambling especially since I’ve been nothing but a lurker here forever, but if one person decides to take some positive action rather than wallowing in misery as a result, I’ll be happy. Alright now, let’s get to work.
Clownballoon on November 5, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Its precisely my fear.
He is an exception as an exception is the cuban american community in Florida.
GOP must find a way to approach this growing minority that is going to become majority in states like California, Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico and to have an important role in states like Colorado, Texas.
clemycali on November 5, 2008 at 11:37 AM
I assume that in corporate boardrooms across the nation today, executives are meeting to make plans for moving their operations overseas.
aero on November 5, 2008 at 11:38 AM
So the argument that Palin turned out the base is WRONG. Palin was a mistake. She was an embarrassment on the party, and is now a national joke to about 60% of the nation.
muyoso on November 5, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Hurting Head:
So why didn’t people pick someone else? I mean come on, the election is over and we are still hearing about how the socalled base got snookered with McCain? Where the hell is this base? I hear about them, but when it comes to elections, either in the primaries or the general they seem to be a no show.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:39 AM
No it’s not the he didn’t excite the base, he alienated the base.
voiceofreason on November 5, 2008 at 11:39 AM
In the words of Alex Lifeson, Geddy Lee and Neil Peart, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.”
misslizzi on November 5, 2008 at 11:39 AM
Exceptionally well said. To add my 2¢: Big is fashionable now. Big spectacle. Big Historical Event. Big Change.
But the actual outcomes will be Big Loss of Jobs. Biggest Porkbarreling Ever. Big Taxes. Big Decadency. Big Encroachments on Free Speech, Private Property, and Privacy. And worst of all, Big New Foreign Crises.
And when those happen, Small will suddenly have appeal again. Obama campaign succeeded by contrasting itself with the status quo. But his administration will likely swing dangerously far into overreaching territory.
He’s done his small time in the streets, now his attention swivels to appeasement on a global scale. Meanwhile Reid/Pelosi and crew have plenty of coercive domestic plans for us. As a result, Americans’ individual personal security will come under threat.
So long as we have a steady and consistent message of restraint, modesty, and security, contrast will be our winning strategy as well.
RushBaby on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
More optimism.
Just as many of us believe we have been punked by Obama saying one thing but meaning another, you can be sure that lots of foreigners are going to be shocked at some of his actions and statements. And they put a lot more money in the pot than the typical democrat voter here in America.
There will be disillusionment.
jeff_from_mpls on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
I was wondering when someone else was going to acknowledge the family guy thing.
leetpriest on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Take a stand on truly conservative issues. Look at prop 8 in California: Blacks and Hispanics voted heavily in favor of traditional marriage.
AubieJon on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Wake up America. There is still but one enemy, the enemy who gave us Obama as president and McCain as his opponent. The enemy who never lifted a finger to look into Obama’s background, yet had no problem trying to ruin an innocent civilian’s life. The enemy who gave us a novice and ridiculed a hero. The enemy who swayed the uninformed sheeple into voting for a used car dealer who never sold a car.
The head of the snake is still THE MSM.
fogw on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Dave:
Don’t you have a country of your own? Poor baby. Gloating troll without a country.
Palin got more votes yesterday than you will ever get. In fact she got more votes than Canada has people.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:27 AM
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Yeah, I have a country – a country like many other countries whose fortunes unfortunately rise and fall with the competence or incompetence of yours. I know it’s difficult for you to understand how people from outside your country are following events there, since you don’t have a clue about anything happening outside America yourself.
Palin got more votes than Canada has people????????
WOW THAT IS SO AMAZING AND RELEVANT
Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
Look to the “missing man” as the reason for the loss. The more Bush copped the Fifth in silence, the worse it got. He tried to be above the fray and got trampled instead.
Whatever happened to the concept of the bully pulpit.
His silence in his own defense looked like agreement and shame
clnurnberg on November 5, 2008 at 11:40 AM
muyoso:
I don’t think that is true. I think that if Palin had not been on that ticket McCain would have gotten fewer bases. As for being a joke with the population, I don’t think that is fair either. Palin is a Governor, even people who might have thought she needed more experience did not necessarily think she was a joke. That is too harsh. I will say this, I never saw any other GOP turn out crowds like she did. Never.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Regardless of hindsight by Monday morning QBs, she was my bright spot to this election.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM
JOHN McCAIN IS A LOSER. HE CAN TAKE HIS “MY FREINDS” B.S. AND SHOVE THAT AND HIS BIPARTISAN GARBAGE STRAIGHT UP HIS ASS. HE DID NOT FIGHT FOR US, THIS COUNTRY, OUR FUTURE, ETC. REMEMBER WHEN HE TOLD THE PEOPLE AT THAT RALLY THAT THERE WAS NOTHING TO FEAR ABOUT OBAMA AND THAT HE WAS A GOOD DECENT FAMILY MAN. HORSESHIT! EPIC FAIL, EPIC LOSER, EPIC RETARD. AND NO RESPECT FROM ME. I RESPECT REPUBLICANS THAT FIGHT HARD WITH THEIR CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES. NOT RETARDS LIKE JOHN McCAIN THAT SIT ON THEIR GOD DAMN ASS AND SCREAM FROM A PODIUM THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE STAND UP AND FIGHT WHILE HE LETS BARACK OBAMA WALK ALL OVER HIS TIRED OLD ASS.
Nuge em on November 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM
I agree completely about the state of conservatism. But I have a question. What does it say about our regard for the morale of troops in Iraq, if we object to the war, thus by extension criticizing their efforts there (ostensibly) on our behalf?
You can reply here, or contact me directly. Whatever. I remember the effect such criticism in the press on our troops in Vietnam. This is something that has bothered me for a long time.
manwithblackhat on November 5, 2008 at 11:42 AM
clnurnberg:
Whatever happened to party loyalty as well? Bush could have used a little more of that and little less opportunistic back stabbing.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Bush was busy contacting bankers and politely requesting that they use our trillion dollars for actual loans, as it was intended, instead of hoarding it, which was not the intent.
He’s a busy man.
jeff_from_mpls on November 5, 2008 at 11:43 AM
Nuge:
McCain did too fight for this country. In fact on both tickets he was the only person who ever really did fight for this country.
Too bad his country failed him.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:45 AM
Any chance we can get the Republicans in congress to go “Atlas Shrugged” on earmarking? I mean, the Dems are going to shaft them anyway, why not make it mean something?
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Here’s a head scratcher: My husband worked at the polls yesterday. His precinct went for McCain, but they noted that only about 50% of the ballots were marked with a presidential choice. Were voters really that disinterested? Have there been other reports like this?
Also, for some of you ‘Left Behind’ fans, on one of the hourly counts on DH’s machine, the number was 666. Ooooo…scary.
Dee2008 on November 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM
jeff:
No, Bush was too busy fighting a war on two fronts with little or no help from his own party.
This right here is why Republicans lose. They do not need Democrats to beat and defeat them, they are all too willing to do it to each other.
Terrye on November 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Sham wow.
wise_man on November 5, 2008 at 11:46 AM
The nation rewards loyalty in the face of adversity, even if it is dems being loyal to Franks and Jefferson and Rangel.
The GOP abandoning Bush made the party look like they were running away from those they sopport. And that is true.
And as I’ve said, Bush ran away from himself. That is the real problem with the GOP
clnurnberg on November 5, 2008 at 11:47 AM
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