Mop-up thread
posted at 1:06 am on November 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
A few linky treats for our night owls and those too wired from having witnessed a bloodbath to wind down just yet. With 99 percent reporting, Obama’s clinging to leads of a few thousand votes in both Indiana and North Carolina. If he wins both, he’ll top out at 364 EVs (with the possibility for more depending upon what happens in Missouri and Montana). That would mean he’d have overperformed even the rosy projections at Five Thirty Eight. He already has 338 in the bank, which means your resident Eeyore actually wasn’t pessimistic enough. Good lord.
We’re headed for another wipeout in the House in the too, with Politico projecting a Dem pickup of at least 20 seats. You can follow the late returns at CNN’s master page. Murtha ended up destroying Russell in spite of everything, thereby depriving us of even a tiny consolation prize. For that, all hope now rests on Minnesota, where Norm Coleman’s clinging to a two-point lead over Stuart Smalley with 72 percent reporting.
Still too soon to tell which way Prop 8 is headed in California but with a quarter of the vote counted, it’s 53/47 in favor of reinstating the ban on gay marriage (i.e. a “yes” vote).
Here’s the video and transcript of The One’s speech. I mean, President The One.
Update: Wow — if, if the exit polls are right, Prop 8 is headed for a narrow defeat.
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Whats really getting us mad isn’t just Obama’s victory but the size of it. Winning Virginia? Indiana? Seriously?
We are mad that George Bush never won Pennsylvania or Michigan or anything major blue state.
Speedwagon82 on November 5, 2008 at 3:23 AM
That would be great but it isn’t going to happen. We have been unable to reverse anything the left has ever done. We have only slowed or stalled it. Progressive tax brackets, welfare, abortion, Giant Federal Government, etc. Today our country rejected conservative ideals soundly. Conservatism in America died today. Perhaps when we lose even more seats in 2012 and more states turn blue you will see that we are beating a dead horse. What will it take? 50 blue states?
sirmyth on November 5, 2008 at 3:23 AM
I feel like I am in the twilight zone now. The anger has subsided, but the disgust has not. I saw the scales tipping in this direction after the 2000 election, and now it has finally happened. Our “American Idol” culture has just elected a Chicago-machine Marxist as President. Can we safely say the MSM is now the fourth branch of government? Looks like they got what they wanted. Those of you feeling conciliatory now that it’s over, have at it. Personally, I tend to be a bitter clinger, and I have seen what this bipartisan reaching-across-the-aisle pile of crap has gotten us. You think McCain is starting yet to think that McCain-Feingold thingy was still a great idea? How about McCain-Kennedy when conservatives were painted as bigots for wanting our own border enforced? What good did all that pandering for the Latino vote get him? Yeah, they voted overwhelming for Obama. Oh, and the brilliant public funding as opposed to private funding for the campaign? That getting outspent 5 to 1 by the Oblahblah campaign worked out smashingly huh? I am sick to death of the Republican party trying to play pattycake with the Dems and refusing to stand up and defend themselves. I was never an enthusiastic McCain supporter until Palin came along. The base ADORES her, even in the face of defeat, the base still loves her; and I believe she is where the future of the Republican party (if there is one) lies. I would love to see it rise from the ashes, but we are never going to get there by trying to “reach across the aisle” and out-pander the Dems. So many missed opportunites to lay the mortgage meltdown mess squarely at the Dems feet where it belongs. Name names and hold them responsible. But no, what do we get? “Well there’s enough blame to go around.” BS!! No there’s not. Just another in a long list of examples of spineless jellyfish Reps not standing up to the crooked Dems. What a sad situation we are in now: crooks on one side and wimps on the other. I am sickened by this outcome and saddened for the future of our great nation.
Ramlady on November 5, 2008 at 3:24 AM
From CNN:
Franken 1,158,271 42%
Coleman (Incumbent) 1,157,326 42%
Barkley 418,743 15%
96% precincts reporting – Updated 2 minutes ago
900 votes… it’s crazy!
mycowardice on November 5, 2008 at 3:24 AM
Even California may pull out the other big one. Go CA!
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:24 AM
California
Ban on Gay Marriage
Yes 52%
No 48%
62% reporting… Bay area almost done counting
El_Terrible on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Like I said, you need a vacation. Because I’m not joining you in your doom and gloom and fear of total apocalypse after a night of Allah-bashing after he turned out to be more right than anyone here, I’m suddenly a Marxist?
I hope you do recover from the shock, because I used to respect your opinion. I hope I will be able to again.
MadisonConservative on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Franken is up by 900.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/?category=Minnesota
No one knows the election laws in MN? Someone call Jesse or something!
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
In related news, the Atlantic Ocean has receded 12″ and the ozone layer is ….gasp….fixed.
hillbillyjim on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Because it will be based on policies from baracka-caca. backed by a dem congress.
Add to that the effect of absolutly none of his promises panning out….big trouble in barakyville.
What the Repubs have to do tho, is hammer it home! HARD. And thats something that they just aren’t good at doing.
They better GET BETTER and quick.
goin to bed..I just forgot my shoe in here..oh there it is. g’nite
Handel on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
I guess conservative blogger can look it like this: Is there any doubt that you won’t be lacking for content with Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and possibly Al Franken in D.C.? Isn’t that a guaranteed gaffe a day?
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
Time for the party to see who has the nads. Seems to me we should be looking to the women right now. With Palin being our Big Ticket backbone girl and Bachman pulling it out without the GOP help in Minn, they’re the potential stars to me.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 3:25 AM
People, stop talking about 2010 or 2012. There will be no more elections. Don’t you understand how Obama operates? What’s stopping him, Nancy and Harry from suspending the constitution? This was our last chance to stop a radical takeover of our free country, and we blew it. The electorate was enamored with the message of hope and change. This was the Marxist plan all along. Lull the country to sleep and quietly take it over during a peaceful election, rather than a risky military invasion they would certainly lose. This election is historic in many ways, yes, because it signals the end of the United States. May God have mercy on our souls. I hope I am wrong.
long_cat on November 5, 2008 at 3:27 AM
The Dems are so radical this time around and they have huge majorities. The world is going to hell in the next two years. At least one possible nuclear war even and all that can be blamed on the Dems, so cheer up.
We can decimate the Dems next time around but we need to build a communication infrastructure right now.
promachus on November 5, 2008 at 3:27 AM
Absolutely.
Now if we only had someone willing and able to communicate those ideals on a national stage. Fred Thompson could do it, but he wouldn’t. I still curse his early withdrawal the death nell of the GOP. Too lazy when the going got a little tough. None of the other contenders could, and I don’t know of anyone waiting in the wings that can, either. Sarah MIGHT, now that she doesn’t have to carry McCain’s water any more.
Face it; Joe the Plumber came closer to articulating Conservative ideals than any of our ‘hifalutin’ Repulican political leaders. (Of course few of our Republican leaders believe in Conservativism anyway, so they wouldn’t articulate it even if they were able.
LegendHasIt on November 5, 2008 at 3:28 AM
Free MENTAL health care for Minnesotans!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!
(with apologies to Ed, of course) ;-)
hillbillyjim on November 5, 2008 at 3:28 AM
Oh please. That’s the same things the libs were saying about Bush. And all signs point that he will be leaving in January. So no need to worry.
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 3:28 AM
Fine… be reactionary and risk loosing everything. Some of those values need to go to the wall… others have a viable future.
lexhamfox on November 5, 2008 at 3:28 AM
And good old Ted Stevens is up 4,000 votes with 72% of the vote in and don’t forget about the other GOP guy given up for dead. Don Young is winning by 14,000 votes with 72% reporting. The good news: if Steven’s conviction is upheld, Palin can appoint herself as the Senator and can thereby stay politically relevant on the national stage until 2012. The fear is that if Palin is banished to Alaska politics as Governor, she will pretty much be forgotten in 4 years time.
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:29 AM
Pretty sad. “The gay” will be the only one who won’t be able to fully celebrate.
mycowardice on November 5, 2008 at 3:29 AM
We have to give it up for Obama. He created a theme and a brand, and hammered it 24/7/365. He never wavered. He used technology to reach people in new ways. He created a movement, and in a society where people feel increasingly isolated and alienated, young people always want to be part of a movement.
I marveled at the stuff my husband got through email. He never got a single GOTV phone call. But through the website, he met a bunch of people in our area, found out about rallies and volunteer days.
Obama managed to take down two of the most popular and accomplished politicians of the last 20 years, in one campaign. The guy has something people respond to and want.
To me, the huge upside of this is that it ot very much a personality election. I do not believe that 60 million people voted for socialism. They voted for Hope, and Change, and inspiration, and turning a page on the Baby Boomer generation. That’s what Obama came back to in his speech tonight, not any issues at all or any agenda for the next four years. We had not heard “yes, we can” for months, but he brought it back tonight.
The danger for Obama and the opportunity for us is that he cannot meet the lofty expectations of the movement he has created. He inspired people to be a part of something, but when he gets down to the humdrum grind of governing, there isn’t a way to make millions of young people a part of it. When the legislative sausage gets ground up, and the compromises have to be made, and the troops can’t be brought home quite as fast as we thought, and the deficit balloons to a trillion dollars, all the talk aboaut Hope and Change won’t be worth a warm bucket of spit.
rockmom on November 5, 2008 at 3:29 AM
Sends you to bed all pouty, huh?
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 3:30 AM
Disagree. He was nothing without the media. They started grooming him 4 years ago and wouldn’t accept anything less for him.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 3:31 AM
your right..so best to just give up now..stick our heads between our legs and soak in the sweet faint aroma of feta cheese and licorice ( I have odd dietary likes).
COMON NOW..Its a pendulum. Its swung is all. We pick up and fight on now. Lets breathe a little. Regroup. and kick some commie assy molassy.
It will be good sport to smack that hairy backed sissy punk and her husband around. But we just have to be relentless about it.
Stop being so Allah.
Handel on November 5, 2008 at 3:32 AM
I’m clinging to the possibility of Prop 8 winning here in Kalifornia.
pugwriter on November 5, 2008 at 3:32 AM
This is what bothers me the most. Bitter clingers? Joe the Plumber? Spread the wealth? Testing Barack? Bankrupting coal? Gaffetastic Biden? All meaningless. Hope and Change? The One? Yes We Can! Apparently meaningful. Depressing to say the least.
SAZMD on November 5, 2008 at 3:32 AM
Oh, for heaven’s sake. I agree that things aren’t going to be pretty with the Dems in control but suspending the Constitution? Won’t happen.
The only way Lincoln got away with it in 1861 was because the military went along with it, ignored court orders, etc. Don’t see that happening with this military.
Bennett on November 5, 2008 at 3:33 AM
My top fervent hope is that we stop being the military for those ingrates in Europe. It’s about damn time they pay for their own defense.
And if we pull back and Vlad gets ornery, I sure as hell won’t support using our blood and treasure to rescue them from totalitarianism yet again.
funky chicken on November 5, 2008 at 3:33 AM
Why don’t the CNN numbers match the MN Sec State numbers?
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1159480 42.18
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 1146967 41.73
96.85% reporting
MN Sec State Results
That is a 13K lead for Coleman. But the number of precincts reporting matches up with the CNN number.
I don’t get it. Any ideas?
Missy on November 5, 2008 at 3:33 AM
coleman pulls back into lead. Please hold!!!!!!!!!
goldeagle11 on November 5, 2008 at 3:33 AM
Hot DAMN… COleman is back in the lead….
Always Right on November 5, 2008 at 3:34 AM
Coleman up by 1600, 97% in. I’m going to stroke out. No more reports until the end.
Sorry – just nervous posting.
http://abcnews.go.com/politics/elections/?category=Minnesota
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:34 AM
Coleman now up 1,165,845 to 1,164,212 with 97% reporting. Looks like he can eke out a victory after all. On the other hand, it looks like Smith is going down.
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:35 AM
Look I can edit other peoples quotes too.
you can keep wasting your time fighting a losing battle
sirmyth on November 5, 2008 at 3:35 AM
You have to give people hope and inspiration. Obama did for enough people to win. McCain never could.
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:35 AM
Please no AL FRANKEN!
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 3:36 AM
New Secretary of Political Correctness—-Oprah!!
hillbillyjim on November 5, 2008 at 3:36 AM
Yeah, thats all Palin needs. A reputation for appointing herself to political offices.
Speedwagon82 on November 5, 2008 at 3:37 AM
Well, the young people aren’t going to want to be part of it unless it’s fun and not too demanding. And let’s face it, they’re going to want to be in college and then into jobs making money and having a good lifestyle. A little community service here or there, volunteering down at the legal clinic for a couple of hours or delivering meals at Thanksgiving, well that will be okay. Much more than that? uh, no. That’s for Mom and Dad.
Bennett on November 5, 2008 at 3:37 AM
That’s rich… your only solace is in restricting the joy union of two people who love each other by amending a perfectly good constitution.
Mean spirited at best.
lexhamfox on November 5, 2008 at 3:37 AM
This has certainly been the most entertaining event of the evening.
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:37 AM
To me, the repeated lesson is that presidents do not come from legislative bodies, Obama’s win notwithstanding. The skill sets for an effective executive come from having served in an executive capacity with a demonstrable degree of success.
Legislators rely on a lot of schmoozing and compromise. Executives have to be judicious, informed, and decisive.
Unfortunately for our nation, Obama has no particular history of being either a successful legislator or executive.
onlineanalyst on November 5, 2008 at 3:37 AM
Well, I guess I’m crazy, but I am sticking with the MN Sec State numbers.
14,000 lead for Coleman, 97.22% reporting.
Missy on November 5, 2008 at 3:38 AM
I think Trig would be a much better senator than the interior decorating jack-ass that is there now.
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:38 AM
lexhamfox on November 5, 2008 at 3:28 AM
As much as I love Rudy, I’m pretty sure he would have had a hell of a time winning this year too. It bothered me that GOP primary voters rejected him primarily because he is a moderate on social issues. His moderation on those social issues might have kept a few more Hillary voters, who are apparently still obsessed with Roe v Wade.
But maybe not.
And Henry Paulson’s September/October surprise … pretty nuclear for any GOP candidate having to follow Bush.
funky chicken on November 5, 2008 at 3:39 AM
What scares me is how much the media carries water for him. So if he breaks promises they sure aren’t going to hold him accountable. They will spin every broken promise to make it seem more palpable.
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 3:39 AM
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:39 AM
You watch how Obiden screws this war up. They can still lose Iraq if they try hard enough and I woudn’t put it past him to arbitraily pull out of Afghanistan too. The Surge is in motion for OEF. Whatever comes from OEF good or bad, Bush get the credit for and it’ll work if Obiden just lets General Petraous do his GD job and stay their inexperienced anti-war asses out of the way.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 3:39 AM
I dunno. What stopped Bush, Hastert, and Lott after the 2000 election?
Are you yet seeing how much you’re mirroring the libs? Doesn’t that bother you?
MadisonConservative on November 5, 2008 at 3:40 AM
That would be a move in the correct direction. It’s about damn time they learn how to defend themselves.
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:40 AM
Well guys and gals, first I want to thank you all, this site has taught me much. I can honestly say I was not 100 percent sure of who I was going to vote for before I found this site. Tonight I know I made the right choice, even though we did not win. I am proud that we have such wonderful folks like you all.
Now I bid everyone good night.
God bless America!
God bless our troops!
northwoodsgal on November 5, 2008 at 3:40 AM
umm ok..and you can go on crying about a lost battle while others fight to win the war.
(ooooo goood one..I think i’m smarter late at night..no..its just the booze)
Handel on November 5, 2008 at 3:40 AM
Two possible silver linings for Al Franken winning:
1) The closely inspected recount exposes lots of ACORN type shennanigans
2) The clown goes to Washington and proceeds to alienate everyone under the sun
PS Coleman up by 3200+
fluffy on November 5, 2008 at 3:41 AM
Looks like Coleman is opening up his lead over Freakin.
pugwriter on November 5, 2008 at 3:41 AM
Sure, that’s fine. But I would hope substance would count for something. The way the election played out, it seemed to not matter at all. Unless you think Americans really want such a leftward lurch in policy. Maybe they really do.
And FWIW, McCain’s convention speech, part of which he added to his stump speech toward the end, was quite inspiring to some of us. Just not enough, as you say.
SAZMD on November 5, 2008 at 3:41 AM
How’s that Coleman-Franken race going, cowardass?
sloopy on November 5, 2008 at 3:42 AM
Smith vaulted back into the lead. He’s up by 1000 now.
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:42 AM
Bush was no community organizer with radical associations.
long_cat on November 5, 2008 at 3:42 AM
Good Night and good luck!
LegendHasIt on November 5, 2008 at 3:42 AM
Oh good.
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 3:43 AM
The Democrats REFUSED to accept the 2000 and 2004 elections.
They got very, very angry. They got vicious. They slandered Bush, his daughters, all Republicans (“repukes”) and consevatives at will and repeatedly. They threw invented scandal after scandal at Bush. The even threatened civil war and attempted to physically disrupt every speech, every event, every attempt of Bush be the President of every American. They even fantasized the assassination of President Bush and made a movie about it.
I know that many Republicans are very angry at how the press acted, at the behavior of the Pelosi/Reid Congress acted, at the lying viciousness of Charles Schumer and Dick Durbin. And if you’re a Republican who isn’t angry, then maybe you should join the Democrats instead.
It’s been noted here that Georbe W. Bush did not fight back, or even fight for his principles. And that’s made us both angry and frustrated, too.
Well, Republicans MUST remain angry. For the next 4 years.
There can be no “truce”, no “civility”, no “honeymoon period.” No nothing for Obama and the Democrats.
Only hardball politics from now on. Very hard ball.
Given the level of corruption – illegal campaign contributions and vote fraud – and the complicity of the MSM, we simply cannot sit by and say “thank you sir, and may I have another.” No matter what you are told, they really did steal the election from us in Ohio and elsewhere.
I do not advocate violence. But we must become angry John Galts. Very, very angry John Galts. That means the gloves must come off. Because, ladies and gentlemen, VICIOUSNESS WORKS! The Democrats proved it this election.
We must become like our enemy, moveon.org, only smarter.
If we sit by and act as “good little luzers,” then conservativism ends up in the ash heap of history.
georgej on November 5, 2008 at 3:43 AM
Northwoodsgal, I was just in your neck of the woods last month and saw many McCain-Palin signs. BTW, the people were so nice and welcoming!
Ramlady on November 5, 2008 at 3:43 AM
Aw…. come on, it’s EARLY!
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:43 AM
Franken now back into the lead by like 3 thousand votes.
goldeagle11 on November 5, 2008 at 3:43 AM
Now Franken is back up
Mark1971 on November 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM
Who else would she appoint? Don Young? She would be the most qualified to take the position and I doubt that most Alaskans would have a problem with it either.
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM
Coleman back in the lead by 3,000
Goodale on November 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM
Oops… Franken back in the lead…. I am sick…
Always Right on November 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM
What? Franken in lead with 98% reporting?
pugwriter on November 5, 2008 at 3:44 AM
Stuart Smalley up by 1750.
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:45 AM
Updated at 2:39
Republican NORM COLEMAN 1174737–42.09%
Democratic-Farmer-Labor AL FRANKEN 116738 41.83%
(103 precincts still out)
hillbillyjim on November 5, 2008 at 3:45 AM
now franken by 2,000-back and forth
Goodale on November 5, 2008 at 3:45 AM
It’s like a yoyo!
mycowardice on November 5, 2008 at 3:45 AM
franken+ ‘hairy backed susan’ = Michelle obama.
just sayin….
gnite for the fourth time .
Handel on November 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM
She could appoint Sean Parnell to the job. Apparently, he’s a great candidate.
promachus on November 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM
yup
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM
The problem is McCain has too much of it. Done too much, seen too much. The people (damn them) wanted a clean slate.
I take solace in the fact that this President will not be able to disappoint me. But millions of my fellow Americans have that ahead of them.
Bennett on November 5, 2008 at 3:46 AM
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 3:39 AM
interestingly enough, back in Dec 2004 Biden was almost as hawkish as McCain, in terms of pushing for huge increases in funding for up-armored humvees, etc
I was hollering at the time that it was a damn disgrace that the Senate Armed Serviced Committee was passing extra funding for the war well beyond what the Bush admin requested. Biden was instrumental in that battle.
Bush tried to win hearts and minds before the real military victory was won.
If he had listened to McCain in 2004, Iraq could have been in good enough shape to allow the GOP to hold congress in 2006…
funky chicken on November 5, 2008 at 3:47 AM
It’s ‘worth.’ If he could have sustained that kind of inspired leadership, this may have been a whole different ballgame.
Nah. I strongly doubt a desire for a leftward lurch, just a powerful need for a distinct break with the recent past. I think we underestimate the reach and depth of anger at Bush. I still think this was really a referendum on the last 8 years.
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:47 AM
What is in those 10,000 lakes up there, anyway?
hillbillyjim on November 5, 2008 at 3:48 AM
Let’s start minting Commander-In-Thief stickers. We have to pay back, man. We can’t let them go like this or they will get used to it.
promachus on November 5, 2008 at 3:48 AM
She could appoint Parnell, but he’s even more inexperienced on a national than she is, plus he already lost in a primary to Don Young for the House seat. Parnell would become Governor if she appoints herself to the Senate, which would be a better fit for him.
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:48 AM
This Barkley guy really messed up for Coleman
terryannonline on November 5, 2008 at 3:48 AM
Is there really no conservative in all of Alaska capable of listening to Robert Byrd mumble about the Constitution for hours and voting every once in a while? Heck, nominate Bristol’s fiancee, he seems pretty outspoken.
Speedwagon82 on November 5, 2008 at 3:49 AM
with that, good night
funky chicken on November 5, 2008 at 3:49 AM
Franken extends to about 3k now.
Bravesbill on November 5, 2008 at 3:50 AM
This is crazy. I’ve been refreshing the MN Sec state page for an hour and Coleman’s lead has never been less than 9,000 votes.
Currently 13,000 with 97.6% reporting.
But I am clearly talking to a wall here.
Missy on November 5, 2008 at 3:50 AM
Hey! I just won a lot of 150 McCain/Palin yard signs on eBay for $10! Rockin!
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:50 AM
The financial meltdown was the final straw. I totally agree with you.
funky chicken on November 5, 2008 at 3:51 AM
Ted Stevens is still in the lead. I kind of feel guilty rooting for him.
SAZMD on November 5, 2008 at 3:51 AM
But the # on CNN are higher, so unless you think CNN is adding extra votes, I would think the one with the highest count is the most up to date.
mycowardice on November 5, 2008 at 3:51 AM
Rock on dude. This gets more entertaining all the time.
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 AM
This was a repudiation of Bush policy in every respect. Also, I think it showed the limits of Rovian electoral strategy. In a way… it was the more positive campaign that won.
I hope and think that Obama is a centrist. I doubt he is as radical as people think.
lexhamfox on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 AM
Candidate Party Vote Counts
John McCain GOP 119,161 62.0%
Barack Obama Dem 68,646 35.7%
McCain did very well in Alaska. Maybe the AIP can capitalize on this.
sirmyth on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 AM
can we all just admit that Minnesota is one truly fu@ked up state?
Always Right on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 AM
Oh yeah, the meltdown. Pretty frikken huge final straw too.
trailboss on November 5, 2008 at 3:53 AM
I’m going to wrap all of my Christmas presents with them.
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 3:53 AM
I guess so. I was going by the number of precincts reporting.
Missy on November 5, 2008 at 3:53 AM
I’m with ya.
Do you have any idea if MN has automatic recount within a certain percentage? (Too burned-out to go looking at present.)
hillbillyjim on November 5, 2008 at 3:54 AM
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