Mop-up thread
posted at 1:06 am on November 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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A few linky treats for our night owls and those too wired from having witnessed a bloodbath to wind down just yet. With 99 percent reporting, Obama’s clinging to leads of a few thousand votes in both Indiana and North Carolina. If he wins both, he’ll top out at 364 EVs (with the possibility for more depending upon what happens in Missouri and Montana). That would mean he’d have overperformed even the rosy projections at Five Thirty Eight. He already has 338 in the bank, which means your resident Eeyore actually wasn’t pessimistic enough. Good lord.
We’re headed for another wipeout in the House in the too, with Politico projecting a Dem pickup of at least 20 seats. You can follow the late returns at CNN’s master page. Murtha ended up destroying Russell in spite of everything, thereby depriving us of even a tiny consolation prize. For that, all hope now rests on Minnesota, where Norm Coleman’s clinging to a two-point lead over Stuart Smalley with 72 percent reporting.
Still too soon to tell which way Prop 8 is headed in California but with a quarter of the vote counted, it’s 53/47 in favor of reinstating the ban on gay marriage (i.e. a “yes” vote).
Here’s the video and transcript of The One’s speech. I mean, President The One.
Update: Wow — if, if the exit polls are right, Prop 8 is headed for a narrow defeat.
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johnt on November 5, 2008 at 1:08 AM
Amendment 48 in Colorado got pwned. 74% against, 26% for. Yowch! I thought it would pass.
mram on November 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Sad prediction: “baby daddy” John Edwards back in the scene by summer now that NC and the White House are blue. Vomit.
(Love you Governor Palin – Class Act)
Marcus on November 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
The electorate’s gone mad.
OneGyT on November 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Or defrauded.
OneGyT on November 5, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Someone wrote this on another thread, and I think it’s worth quoting:
“We should be nurturing Palin, not blame her, keep her viable for the next election. Of course, she has to slug it out with what other candidates that may turn up. But, let’s not tear apart our future leaders under current disappointment.”
We need to articulate and teach conservatism. We need an informed voting public. And we need a spokesman who doesn’t bend on principles and is passionate. I vote Sarah. G’night, y’alls.
Pasalubong on November 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Here’s to Obama. Here’s to McCain.
Let’s get off the soap boxes and try and run the nation.
Ugly on November 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM
The robot shall never hump again.
aero on November 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Good bye America .. I knew ye well.
Texas Gal on November 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM
Since President The One ran a liberal/centrist campaign, we better make sure we hold him to it. So, as of now, he is operating on a blank slate. The minute he tries to push this country to the left, I’ll be fired up to kick him out in 2012
tdavisjr on November 5, 2008 at 1:10 AM
And that is the true heart-ache of this election. :)
(No, really, I loved the little guy.)
Pasalubong on November 5, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Welcome to the USSA.
The fruits of permitting half the taxpayers giving the other half a free ride. Won’t be long before those who pay federal income tax are the minority — and the rest of the country gets that “free government cheese”.
SunSword on November 5, 2008 at 1:11 AM
And here’s to hoping you don’t have prescription opiates.
Ugly on November 5, 2008 at 1:11 AM
You mean, President-Elect The One.
Ian on November 5, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Remember when we were worried about the paradox of Iraqis freely voting in their elections to choose dictatorship? Obama is no dictator, but I can’t believe that Americans, in a free country, have now had their say and voted for an end to freedom. Very sad. I linked this in the other post, but don’t miss it.
AdrianG on November 5, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Gonna miss seeing Sarah every night.
Oh, well. Time to bury the cash out back, build a hideout room in case the security force comes looking, and stash the jewelry.
n0doz on November 5, 2008 at 1:12 AM
How? He’s got free reign for four years, totally unchecked. Unless we resort to rioting and craziness like the Left, we can’t “hold him” to anything.
aero on November 5, 2008 at 1:13 AM
The beginning.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/11/04/Israeli_strikes_kill_5_Gaza_gunmen/UPI-58031225860404/
YellowDawg on November 5, 2008 at 1:13 AM
The only thing left for us now is 2010. And I don’t say that in a “oh noes!” kind of way, I say it in a hopeful way. Every cloud has a silver lining and if there’s one in this election it’s the possibility for another Contract with America style repudiation of Liberalism.
Republicans were defeated not because America has become more liberal but rather because Republicans became more liberal and selected one of their most liberal members as their nominee. Sarah Palin, not John McCain, is the future of the party and that’s a future that is worth fighting for.
Kronos on November 5, 2008 at 1:13 AM
The pic of Sarah for this thread on the main page tears me up.
hockey2k5 on November 5, 2008 at 1:13 AM
Tina Fey’s going to miss Sarah the most. And SNL. Really, Biden is too boring to mock much.
I’m joining up with Hillbuzz and looking for a centrist party.
Meryl Yourish on November 5, 2008 at 1:13 AM
I am very disappointed that Lou Barletta is not going to Congress.
Mark1971 on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
let’s just get on with it… i still have a house to close on in the spring… a car payment to keep making and a baby on the way and the loss of my wife’s income…
i’m ready to fight for the 3% they’ll raise me when the cuts expire and the 5% they’ll raise for the weak 401K revamp.
go ahead, take 8% and give it away on top of the 30% you already take. what do i need it for… oh yeah, to effin provide for my family since the gov’t does nothing to benefit me except defense and the pres-elect plans to screw that up for me too.
perfect…
who will lead conservatives now? they’ve all failed. all of them. there is no leadership worth following in the establishment. none at all.. gut the place. start over. i want my rights preserved… spineless politicians will never look out for my best interest unless i force them to… and force them i will.
Fozzy Bear on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Where’s my check, asswipe?
Metro on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
I only hope that there will be an America left to vote him out in 2012…
Rusty Bill on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
They wave those flags as if Obama supports American values.
YoungAmerican on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
If it’s going to be a bloodbath, we might as well have all the shoes drop now so that it will not be mathematically possible to see worse in 2010.
rw on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
HOLY SHIT!!!!
TED STEVENS IS AHEAD IN ALASKA SENATE by FOUR
DON YOUNG IS ALSO AHEAD BY SEVEN
159/438 precincts reporting.
http://www.adn.com
Apologetic California on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Just so you guys know
Israel just launched missiles into the Gaza Strip, killing 5
YellowDawg on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
What? Too depressed for an “exit question?” Me too. But I’ll throw one out there for ye:
What strategy are they going to concoct to muzzle Joe Biden for four years?
also: If it’s King Obama and Queen Michelle (***barf***), would that make Biden the Court Jester?…
ocbrat on November 5, 2008 at 1:14 AM
And applying for citizenship in a country that has already perfected socialism just so I don’t have to succumb to the glitches for the next 8 years.
Texas Gal on November 5, 2008 at 1:15 AM
Buck up everybody. There is work to be done. Let’s get after it. Bobby Jindal is going to Iowa NEXT MONTH.
Let’s roll.
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 1:16 AM
The marriage amendment (Prop 102) passed in Arizona. Woohoo!
jjjen on November 5, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Lets keep our head in the game! We’ve got to lay the ground workd for 2010 and 2012, and be ready to hold our reps feet to the fire. We’ve lost a battle but not the war!
liquidflorian on November 5, 2008 at 1:16 AM
Franken is back within 7,000 votes.
Mark1971 on November 5, 2008 at 1:18 AM
Welp, I hope the One doesn’t Number Two on US.
Kini on November 5, 2008 at 1:18 AM
That’s great for 2012. But who will lead the GOP in the Congress right now? I’m not saying there aren’t quality people we can look to. The energy and bailout bill debates showed there’s definitely some fire left in them. But we need someone to step forward and lead the opposition if there’s to be any hope of reclaiming control in Washington in 2-4 years.
Doughboy on November 5, 2008 at 1:19 AM
This is not KOS.
infidel on November 5, 2008 at 1:19 AM
Hokay and in the spirit of this new day of CHANGE
I want the Patriot Act repealed… NOW.
I want the insipid and utterly stupid farce that is the TSA disbanded and airport security returned to the airlines (with better doors in the cabins).
I not only want NO wiretapping by the government without an explicit search warrant I want the police forces restricted in their computer search and seizures AND no knock warrants.
I want the executive order ability of the President legally bound, NOW.
I want Waxman to open up investigations into Obama’s fundraising shenanigans. Perhaps McCain and Feinstein could help with that too.
I want Waxman to open up investigations into Barney Frank and Acorn’s abuse and destruction of the FHA.
Wha? I can’t have any of that? But this is a NEEEEWWW day!?!?!
Skywise on November 5, 2008 at 1:20 AM
Whatever else may be said, the success of Proposition 8 would be all the consolation prize I’d like to see at this point. Drink one to the family.
Alexander on November 5, 2008 at 1:20 AM
i was holding up okay until he mentioned first lady michelle…
AdrianG on November 5, 2008 at 1:21 AM
I see Malstrom updated his blog and said his Toast
entry was all along just a contrarian argument.
Hillbuzz was a fraud and Rush was duped enough to read
from that Blog.
joest73 on November 5, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Good posts, Ugly.
okonkolo on November 5, 2008 at 1:21 AM
No… but given how Markos now seems to be considered a serious “analyst” by other media perhaps we need to create a conservative “kos” that would allow us to tap into our passions. It seems to be the only thing people listen to anymore. Because logic and rational thinking and debate doesn’t seem to work.
Skywise on November 5, 2008 at 1:22 AM
F*** it. The resistance starts now.
We can be pansies and roll over or we can stand up and fight.
See, you have to speak a language that they understand. They don’t understand nice. They do understand nasty.
We can’t wait until 2010. We must start now… or at least after the hangovers wear off.
Start with the off-off-year elections next year. Here in Pa., they’re local and county elections. Start now. Find real Americans to run our local governments. That’s where we build a base of terrific candidates for the future. (Remember, Sarah was a mayor first.)
And let’s look for real leadership in the House… and some sharp second banana types. Newt’s playbook can still work… remember, he, Bob Walker and a few others were off most people’s radar almost until it was too late (for the Commucrats) with their constant C-SPAN messages. McCotter, Cantor, Mike Pence and a few others need to move into top leadership roles. Screw Boehner.
As for the Senate, screw McConnell, too. Jim Bunning would be a helluva lot better.
Don’t call for a Newt comeback. We need a philosopher outside the system to drive the agenda, and that’s right up his alley (the dalliance w/ Pelousy notwithstanding).
The president-elect may be the president of my country, but he is not my president and may never be.
Sorry, but that’s the way it is.
In memory of Todd Beamer, let’s roll!
either orr on November 5, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Sadly, I was right. Picking Romney was McCain’s only chance. Romney’s political experience and economic expertise would have given McCain the 3% extra he needed. Palin did not bring in female voters, like McCain believed would happen. (I guess he didn’t bother to check the 1984 election results?) Palin did motivate the base, but also motivated the other side’s base.
Palin does not have a future in US presidential politics. She is a great person and hopefully she will do things.
At this point, pretty much everything Western Civilization has accomplished since the Battle of Thermopylae is in jeopardy. Other than that, no problem.
indythinker on November 5, 2008 at 1:22 AM
Troll/astroturfer.
aero on November 5, 2008 at 1:23 AM
The moby has been banned.
Allahpundit on November 5, 2008 at 1:23 AM
I JUST DUSTED OFF MY MISERY INDEX METER.
Where do I plug it in?
Kini on November 5, 2008 at 1:23 AM
It doesn’t matter when you have those who profess to be in our party working against you. You see that was the lesson that should have been learned tonight .. but it doesn’t seem to be … sticking together even when you don’t agree with every little single position on every single issue .. is the key to winning. ONLY THEN can you influence change.
Texas Gal on November 5, 2008 at 1:23 AM
MOBY! That’s the word I was looking for.
Thanks, AP.
aero on November 5, 2008 at 1:24 AM
Yes… but there was this guy called Newt Gingrich who created said contract. There is no Newt Gingrich in the house now. In fact, outside Shadegg, there are no conservative leaders in the house.
In other, happier news, my honorary Congressman, Mark Kirk, was reelected. He’s def. too liberal for y’all, but he’s a Navy guy and is a very impressive wonk. Considering he is in the Messiah’s backyard, this is a very impressive hold. (I know you aren’t interested, but I’m looking for the scraps of happiness here. I knew what was coming and this is one of my small victories).
Illinidiva on November 5, 2008 at 1:25 AM
So in the Coleman/Franken race, would they go to a runoff or is tonight it?
SoulGlo on November 5, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Not me. It’s on tomorrow. I am the disloyal opposition.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 1:25 AM
Not a night owl but no sleeping here in DC. They are running in the streets going absolutely wild. In my neighborhood on the edge of downtown they are mostly college age and twenty-somethings. Going absolutely crazy…honking horns and beating on dumpsters like drums…the messiah has arrived to their fantasy world I guess. When they can’t find a job over the next few years and wonder why, I hope they remember tonight. Starbucks might just go bankrupt without ‘em.
DCJeff on November 5, 2008 at 1:26 AM
I really think the Sarah Palin pick cost McCain the ticket. It cost him the votes of the independents, because the base would have voted for him regardless of the veep pick. Being from a red state, I personally know McCain supporters (mainly middle aged women) who rejected the ticket precisely because of the Palin pick. With the demographics of the country changing, the conservatives would have to choose between a base-rallying leader like Bush or Palin, and a more inclusive figure like Reagan (or dare we say, Bobby Jindal).
Cheers,
The family Guy.
peter_griffin on November 5, 2008 at 1:26 AM
Well we took back one seat in Louisiana. I was at the victory party and got a good taste and addiction to working in a political campaign. Heck we were the only ones in Baton Rouge campaigning for McCain as we campaigned for the new congressman, Cassidy. The very short term incumbent is not the moderate Dem that the news folks make him out to be. We got us a conservative now. MD, longtime active in his church (scripture based),Boy Scouts, started a free medical clinic with volunteers (MD’s Nurses and staff) and donated equipment. I could tell you a lot more but this guy understands that for the government to take domain over charity is to take service (for fun and for free) away from people is the worst thing possible for a society.
The senate candidate did not win because he is basically an any which way the wind blows kind of guy. So the psycho Landrieu is back for another term. New Orleans won it for her where she got 75% of the vote (I would imagine by a lot of legal “expense” checks handed out during the bus ride to the polls.)
We did deliver Louisiana for McCain though. Maybe we will say screw you to the rest of the nation when they don’t drill or use coal.
Kermit on November 5, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Au contraire… Mike Pence honorable Representative from the Great state (we haven’t gone to Obama yet) of Indiana. One of the few who said NO to the bailout.
Skywise on November 5, 2008 at 1:27 AM
Allahpundit and Ed:
Thanks for doing a great job keeping me informed during this election cycle. It was a lot of fun.
I’m glad it’s finally over now, as I am sure you are. I hope you don’t plan on going anywhere, though, as this next four years should be nothing if not interesting. We’ll certainly have a lot of Joe Biden gems for you to post.
joewm315 on November 5, 2008 at 1:27 AM
veni, vidi,
vicivomitinormsrevenge on November 5, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Yeah, I’m happy for Mark Kirk too. Though his ads were all about how un-Bush he was.
haner on November 5, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Ugh… Can the GOP please get over the Jindal fixation?? The guy’s main accomplishment is being born to non-white parents and going to fancy post secondary schools… Kinda like a certain Messiah I know.
Illinidiva on November 5, 2008 at 1:29 AM
The last governor appointed his daughter I think – any chance that Sarah could appoint Todd after Ted heads to prison? Anyone? Bueller?
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Where can I find a larger picture of that Palin one used for this thread?
Enoxo on November 5, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Liberals tend to get over confident when they win Presidential elections…it is time to start to get some good Republican candidates for 2010.
ProfessorTombstone on November 5, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Norm Coleman is clinging to a 6000 vote lead with 81% of the vote in.
If that Franken idiot wins… Sweet jesus… it’ll be time to pack our bags for Patagonia….
Always Right on November 5, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Dittos. And AP got too much crap. As Ed said, not all news is good news. All I want in my HA bloggers is dudes/dudettes who are solid as rocks on our principles, and Allah, Ed, and Michelle are. Cheers to them, and hopefully President The One won’t put them through a painful audit. :)
Pasalubong on November 5, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Unlike the liberals who threatened to throw a tantrum and leave the country if Obama wasn’t elected, I’m not going anywhere. Somebody’s going to have to clean up the mess the Democrats are going to make of our country.
That’s looking on the bright side!
Socratease on November 5, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Tonight is it.
Steve_Roberts on November 5, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Sounds like you had a hard breakup in your first gay love affair. Hang in there tough guy, you’ll find another guy to love you.
The Race Card on November 5, 2008 at 1:30 AM
We are in hell. I’d say we only have two years, if that, to try and check him and then god knows what happens… Am I the only one who actually fears what he’ll do?
John_Locke on November 5, 2008 at 1:30 AM
So I was out earlier looking to see if I could find the car that side-swiped my parked car last night and left no note, and I came upon an older lady who was fiddling with a screwdriver on the back of her little red two-seater. I asked if she needed a hand, she needed a little bulb that lights up her license plate replaced. So I knelt down, with an Obama/Biden sticker staring me in the face, I took care of it and even asked her to get in so I could check her back-up lights. All was well, and then she said ” well,it looks like we’re finally going to stick it to those Republicans!”, and I just calmly said “Maam, I’m a Conservative, and this is what we look like up close and for real, have a good night and drive safe”
bbz123 on November 5, 2008 at 1:31 AM
Governor Palin was a bright spot in this otherwise sorted dirty affair. She handled all the hat ethey had to offer with grace and dignity. God bless her kid overseas and I just hope her family wasn’t effected by this.
The only bright spot I can see to this is that now “maybe” they’ll leave her alone. But if I know the vindictive liberlas, they won’t be happy until they run against her in Alaska for daring to take on Dear Leader.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 1:31 AM
My suggestion to conservatives is go quiet, go underground.
Don’t offer opinion or suggestions, don’t help, don’t fight, don’t obstruct or complain. Just go limp
Turn off the TV, go off the grid. Start a garden. If you live in a city, move to a red state.
I’m taking down my online persona, I’m gonna disappear.
This country will become a one party country. You will be a party member or branded a dissident.
In a hundred years or so, your children will have to make a break for the New World just as the Puritans did.
Good Luck, it was kinda fun.
rockhauler on November 5, 2008 at 1:31 AM
No fixation – just saying that there are people out there already thinking about it.
I’m a fan of Michael Steele myself – and not just because of what you are thinking.
JeffinOrlando on November 5, 2008 at 1:32 AM
We’ve been witnesses to the greatest con job in history. But…..
“You can’t cheat an honest man.”
Steve_Roberts on November 5, 2008 at 1:32 AM
I’m partial to Palin (Jindal’s younger and I think she’s earned a ‘12 nomination just for handling the smear campaign), but Jindal is accomplished. Check his bio– basically, as a young kid he completely turned around the LA health care system. And as gov, he handled Gustav rather well. He is a talented, accomplished man.
Pasalubong on November 5, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Thank god we don’t ever have to see Sarah Palin again. For the love of all that is decent…get Bobby Jindal in there in 2012.
He needs to use every waking moment of the next few years building a conservative movement in Louisiana. The best minds in the party need to descend on that state and turn it into the bastion of fiscal responsibility and individual liberty.
Admit Ron Paul was right to warn about the excesses of the financial system (though dead, dead, dead dead DEAD wrong on foreign policy).
Groom young upstarts all over the country to try and snag weak national and gubernatorial seats in the years ahead. Be vigilant in identifying key weaknesses of the Obama administration.
DONT BE PETTY.
Elizabeth Dole got beat for being dirty and petty…Norm Coleman may still lose over the same sort of campaign.
There’s a lot of work ahead…but its gotta get done. Theres a chance to build a new coalition based primarily on liberty and fiscal restraint. A sh!t ton of those new voters that showed up for Obama were introduced to the political system by Ron Paul. And most of the republican crossovers lost faith in voting republican because of out of control spending…thats why the incumbent party wound up having to run a “change” election…a “change” election means you effed up.
ernesto on November 5, 2008 at 1:32 AM
ugh…refresh
The Race Card on November 5, 2008 at 1:32 AM
I totally agree. Palin was the 40-49% pick. Not enough to win a two-man election.
haner on November 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM
I’m pretty scared. They hate us and are in power completely.
hawkdriver on November 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM
Officially worn off…completely
hot-heir on November 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM
What was the difference between Obama’s crowds and Kerry’s crowds? Why was one indicative of success and the other a mirage?
Speedwagon82 on November 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM
“Bygones.” From Ally McBeal-one word to put things in the past and move forward. Bygones.
Doug on November 5, 2008 at 1:33 AM
The Palin pick is what gave McCain this close popular vote.
Had she not been picked, he would have lost the base entirely. It would be well over 400 electoral votes, and 49 state sweep.
Enoxo on November 5, 2008 at 1:34 AM
I don’t think Palin has much of a future either. I don’t buy Romney adding much to the ticket. Palin did energize the base to a point. Romney looks too much like the guy that would fire you…..
Romney does have a slim chance of reinventing himself for 2012 like Reagan did in 1976. I give him a slim chance because I think in 2012 the country will need a real conservative…. not another wishy washy guy like McCain or the Romney of today.
joest73 on November 5, 2008 at 1:34 AM
They will dig in her trash literally and figuratively and do everything they can to trip her up and make the next 2 years of her life (and her kids’ lives) Hell. Rule for Dems in power: you take the opposition OUT. Sad, but true (to quoth Metallica).
Pasalubong on November 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Any advice for a 23-year-old conservative in NY that is getting bombarded by his clueless Obamabot friends?
It’s amazing how idiotic my generation is.
On another note, the last thing Republicans need to do is point the finger at Sarah Palin. Casting stones at one of the brightest stars of the conservative movement will only make things worse.
Lets hope this party rallies around Palin, Romney and Jindal. Time for a complete renovation.
pmanley on November 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Have a dump, take a few tablespoons of this and get some sleep.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Laudanum.jpeg
BL@KBIRD on November 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Will they still want it after 4 years? I would hope not but too many Americans expect the govt to hand them the American Dream. That’s what this election showed me.
Time will tell…
Yakko77 on November 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM
Well done. Thanks for that story, I needed it.
Missy on November 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM
If McCain wins Montana and loses the rest he’ll tie Dole…
ninjapirate on November 5, 2008 at 1:35 AM
I would LOVE to see a Palin/Jindal ticket in 2012. I think that would really be a winning ticket
ousoonerfan15 on November 5, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Thanks to Ed and Allah and the various HA members who have made this site worth my frequent attention. Now let’s get to work and hold Uhbama’s feet to the fire and get serious about cleaning house in 2010!
Fallen Sparrow on November 5, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Yeah, I’m happy for Mark Kirk too. Though his ads were all about how un-Bush he was.
haner on November 5, 2008 at 1:28 AM
Illinidiva on November 5, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Move to Texas for the secession.
Enoxo on November 5, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Amen, bro.
Pasalubong on November 5, 2008 at 1:37 AM
AP! I want a larger version of that Palin waving picture.
Enoxo on November 5, 2008 at 1:38 AM
Bobby Jindal is good, but I’m not ready to give up on Palin yet. A ticket with the two of them next time around would be pretty great, considering that by that point, they would have the experience that the liberals seem to care so much that only Republicans have.
Ugh, I’m exhausted. Maybe I’ll wake up tomorrow a little more positive.
Sir Corky on November 5, 2008 at 1:38 AM
Someone else referred to that as secession in place. They argued that if enough productive people drop out, our socialist system will necessarily fall, just as the Soviet Union’s fell.
flyfisher on November 5, 2008 at 1:38 AM
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