It begins: Palin didn’t know Africa was a continent, claims Fox News
posted at 8:15 pm on November 5, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Ace, a tasty pile of shinola straight from the stovetop of disgruntled McCain staffers. It’s too cute by half, as is the detail about NAFTA; they might as well have tossed in a story about her having to guess who’s buried in Grant’s tomb. To believe it, you have to believe she figured out a way to become governor of Alaska while somehow lacking the mental power to piece together which three nations might be involved in the North American Free Trade Agreement. Diehard ‘Cuda-haters like Sullivan will, of course, be more than happy to oblige.
You’ll find another clip from Fox that aired earlier today below the Carl Cameron video. See if you can figure out the thematic link. Exit question: If she’s really this much of an abject imbecile, how did that detail manage to escape the attention of Newsweek? There’s no sign of it in their highlight reel of the dishiest dirt they learned about the campaign, a piece which actually includes a quote from another aide about “Wasilla hillbillies looting Neiman Marcus from coast to coast” as if to prove that they’re not holding back on the ‘Cuda.
Update: The plot thickens.
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Hey! Crazy Joe is a very smart guy. He just happens to suffer from a rare genetic problem – his mouth is connected to his ass instead of his brain.
progressoverpeace on November 6, 2008 at 6:19 AM
Thanks for making my morning! I am rolling on the floor with this!
catlady on November 6, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Folks, let face a few facts. The first overwhelming fact is that millions and millions of us are devastated by the news the Barack Obama will be the next POTUS. Of those tens of millions many still consider Obama a radical socialist or Marxist whose goal is to undermine the US Constitution and set America on a course divergent from the traditional American belief system of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness and traditions of rugged individualism, American exceptionalism and free enterprise for authoritarian government control and the nanny state, mediocrity and lowered expectations and socialism and collectivism. The election of Obama does not delegitimize our concerns in the least. The MSM, as we all know, are in the tank for Obama (Fox News has been creeping into that tent recently)and will do anything that Obama desires or feel that Obama desires or will help Obama in the long run solidify his reign and be re-elected in 2012. In our heartache this is the reality that most of us appear to be ignoring or dismissing. Folks, this is the central theme of what has played out regarding the trashing of Sarah Palin during the campaign and now after the election. Now if the MSM and their jackal reporters can pick off any disconsolate McCain aide, staffer, or advisor and ask them enough leading questions in their moment of grief the reporter can get them to tell tales out of school, in this case about Sarah. Now as Rush Limbaugh says about himself: “These people are highly trained professionals.” The reporter’s job is to link the staffer’s statement with the pre-ordained narrative that Sarah lost the election for McCain. And this is exactly what has been done. If given truth serum the greater majority of the staffers without a personal axe to grind would admit to 4 reasons that they lost and not one of them would be attributed to Sarah: 1)only once since 1952 has any party occupied the WH for three consecutive terms (1980-1992)and couple that with a very unpopular Republican President and only a 9% vote that things are going right in America; 2) as one person noted McCain’s numbers started to plummet when Lehman Brothers went belly up-the complete financial meltdown did McCain in-he was left in a position similar to Gerald Ford vs Jimmy Carter in that he was playing catch-up for the last month of the campaign and couldn’t quite make up the gap: it was probably 10 points in the heart of the meltdown-he and Sarah managed to narrow it to 6-even Sarah alluded to the financial meltdown as a significant reason that the McCain campaign lost and 3) Obama forsaking public finance and outspending McCain in the battleground states by as much as 5-1; money talks; the saturation of the air waves mean a constant bombardment of the Obama message; what is surprising that Obama did not win by more in the battleground states; 4)voter fraud which no one wants to talk about now: no one wants to sound petty or maybe imply that Obama stole the election. Thus many people feel it is more appropriate to accuse Sarah of not knowing much about geography, that she is a rogue or diva or she may be a slut by coming from a shower to a hotel door only dressed in a bath towel or bathrobe. From there leads some to conclude that if only Sarah weren’t selected as a VP candidate and some boring white guy was that suddenly McCain would become more eloquent, youthful and more attractive and that the male VP would somehow be a game changer and by magic McCain would been transformed and won all the battleground states and Colorado to squeak out a victory. Get real for every new vote the male VP would have brought in he would have left two or three behind. Much of the base was determined to sit this election out before Sarah was chosen-that McCain got this close in the battleground states is a testament to Joe the Plumber, McCain’s will to never give up, but above all to Sarah who drew record crowds and buzz whereever she travelled and generated hordes of volunteers for the McCain campaign to GOTV and a significant increasse in contributions to the McCain campaign after she was selected. Like the Patriots who lost the Super Bowl, it was not Tom Brady’s fault that the Patriots lost to the Giants and it was not Eli Manning’s capability that was the main reason the Giants won the Super Bowl. For both teams it was a team effort on both sides of the ball. The Giants won because they were a better team that day. Obama won because of his ability to mesmerize huge amounts of younger and first-time voters to vote for him, because he was able to tap into the anger caused by the financial meltdown and the desperation felt by millions of Americans who had their lifelong savings wiped away without notice, again to repeat he had a huge advantage in money becaused he went back on his promise to take public financing for the general campaign, and he perhaps won because he rigged the election. Leave Sarah alone; there will be enough time to pummel her in 2-4 years if she decides to make a comeback. Whatever happened to the old American adage that ‘you don’t kick a dog when he’s down.’
technopeasant on November 6, 2008 at 10:29 AM
Speaking of “knowledgeability”, perhaps our betters in the media should re-acquaint themselves with the English language. They would find that what they intended to question was Sarah Palin’s “knowledge” not her “knowledgeability”.
pussum207 on November 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM
Slightly off-topic: How much should my starting bid on eBay be for yesterday’s commemorative Comrade NObama Washington Post?
It’s still in it’s sleeve and sitting in the foyer of my house. Was going to use the front page on the dart board but the capitalist in me spoke!
Karen_VA on November 6, 2008 at 10:34 AM
i wonder if Glenn Beck,since he is now coming over to FNC, will kiss Bob Beckel’s and Geraldo Rivera’s ass the way Sean Hannity did when those two gross people came over to FNC. Sean had nothing good to say about Geraldo, until Geraldo joined FNC. I remember the day he joined, Sean had him over his house to play basketball and Sean came out a Geraldo lover the next day. I called Sean that day and questioned him about that, he said to me- “you are really pissing me off” when i questioned his credibility. I just heard Glenn Beck say he is about to comment on the “Palin trashing” and his comments “may surprise you”…hmmm…curious…now that he’s about to join FNC.
eplain on November 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM
You know, it was this sort of thing that finally turned me off to O’Reilly. I don’t think he really cares so much about “looking out for us” so much as he cares about fashioning himself as a power broker.
HuskerNate on November 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM
McCain’s staff is full of backstabbing losers. This is supposed to shock me?
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM
I am a Democrat and I am disgusted in the way that the Republicans treated Sarah Palin.
Now they are using her as the scapegoat because there were so many Republicans jealous of her.
Hey Republicans and conservatives!!! Stop cutting off your noses to spite your face! Between yourselves and the Democrats cutting down your party, you won’t have anyone in 2012 to run.
Sarah Palin is a good conservative. Maybe if you treated her with some respect, you would have won the White House.
stefystef on November 6, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Glenn (RIGHT THIS SECOND) is trashing a caller because he disagrees with him. Glenn ALWAYS does this. ATTACK! ATTACK ATTACK! when someone does agree with him.
eplain on November 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM
Just goes to show that McCain surrounded himself with at least as many douchebags as Obama did. Nice.
I’m done with Fox News. They are full-fledged members of the MSM now. Hope they enjoy it.
CantCureStupid on November 6, 2008 at 10:37 AM
correction- DOESN’T agree with him
eplain on November 6, 2008 at 10:38 AM
Exactly. Except for Cavuto. He is (still) a smart man!
Karen_VA on November 6, 2008 at 10:39 AM
And Greta…
right2bright on November 6, 2008 at 10:42 AM
Please learn to use the Return key to make paragraphs, or become less verbose. Or both.
MrLynn on November 6, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Keep it around, Karen. You’ll need it for toilet paper in two years time.
andycanuck on November 6, 2008 at 10:49 AM
It’s one thing for Democrats to bash Gov Palin – they were trying to defeat the McCain ticket.
However it’s another thing for anonymous Republican sources to backstab the party candidate. No wonder we lost. If indeed what they say is true they should have the backbone to OWN the remarks – not tattle like spoiled brats. And IMO O’Reilly & Shep Smith were no better than CM & KO in reporting salacious gossip.
This whole thing makes me disrespect McCain for not handling his staff better. Another example of a man who didn’t want to get his hands dirty with the reality of politics. Same as the “don’t bring up Wright” business.
katiejane on November 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Here’s a name I haven’t seen mentioned for 2012
Condi..
I’d love to have her as a candidate in 2012…..
Fires1 on November 6, 2008 at 10:50 AM
Ok, so let me get this straight:
We have Obama on tape stating that we wants to visit “All 57 states”. The MSM reaction: Oh, that was just “Obama being tired”.
We have Biden on tape stating that “J-O-B-S is a 3-letter word”. The MSM reaction: Oh, that was just “Joe being Joe”.
Then we have vicious rumors about Sarah Palin with no proof whatsover. That is somehow newsworthy??? Allahpundit, I am looking at you… What are you thinking?? You sound more and more like Keith Olberman by bringing this crap up.
Sorry but this whole ordeal makes me love Sarah Palin even more. She has been nothing but gracious throughout this campaign. She held her head up and shown boundless optimism despite being attacked more savagely than any other candidate in modern American history.
Norwegian on November 6, 2008 at 10:53 AM
Orielly is ok…I think like most elitists, they get a little too in love with the sound of their own voices.
And yeah ..sorry Bill, you are an elitist. And this coming from someone that likes Orielly.
Look…I’m so tired of these people, be it on the left or the right–who think that just because they go into a coffee store and get a medium latte(easy on the froth) that they are “one of the folks”.
Your not.
You may have been at one time, but your not now. I am just content that you still remember what it was to be ‘one of the folks” at one time–and hold those memories fondly in your heart, enough to stand up for those ideals.
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM
The same people here cheering for Palin 2012 right now are the same people who were arguing the polls were all wrong and McCain would flip Pennsylvania and win the electorate college on 11/4/08.
I’d like my reality-based party back, please.
haner on November 6, 2008 at 10:55 AM
I saw the FNC knives come out for Palin a few weeks ago when the insufferable beltway beauty herself Nina Easton (related to Sheena only by hairdresser) claimed that Palin was unqualified to be VP. When Brit Hume asked why she replied “because . . . well . . . I mean did you see Katie Couric interview?” I still watch the panel and have TONS of respect for Hume, but I have added Easton to my list of “conservative” Astroturf.
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I’m only interested in watching Cavuto also. He’s the bright star on that channel…..Stuart Varney and Jon Hoenig (sp?) are interesting chaps too.
LimeyGeek on November 6, 2008 at 10:56 AM
I do love condi.
But I get the feel that she might just be..i don’t know..too fragile for the gig.
I still hear a quiver in her when I hear her speak .
Plus I don’t think she wants the gig.
Great lady though.
Love her tho.
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Condi doesn’t have the mettle. She’s a brilliant woman, and I respect her immensely, but she doesn’t pass muster.
She’s the sort of person that any smart POTUS would have as a senior adviser.
LimeyGeek on November 6, 2008 at 10:58 AM
Now CAVUTO WOULD BE AWESOME!!! Man if he were to run on the repub side…boy howdy.
sign me up mary, and slap a tshirt on my back that says “GIMME SOME CAVUTO LUUUVVVIN!”
(Yeah..i’m straight..although if cavuto ran, i’d make an exception. Am I typing this out loud?)
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 11:00 AM
What a sad day in America when we have a group of people just thrilled to see some trashed for absolutely no reason at all. When I voted I casted my vote for Sarah. That’s it. I would not of voted for president otherwise. Just down ticket for repubs. I am so sick. I love Sarah to death but I think her career as a Vice President or even President is over. I think the media has nailed the final nail into that situtaion. It’s so sad to see. I guess for blacks the fight is over. For women its has been pushed back. My hope is that Sarah will help us pick someone like her to follow and clean this country up. I have been sick to my stomach ever since I knew BO would win. Now they are killing any chances that Sarah would of had what a bunch of A$$ holes.
Brat4life on November 6, 2008 at 11:01 AM
I think that McCain was being pulled in 100 different directions. McCain has gotten his hands dirty plenty of times. It’s the Republicans who thought they could use the same old tricks to bring down Obama.
American public didn’t give a shit about Rev. Wright when they lost 50% of their retirement funds and tapped out their savings. Also, the media would not let the Republicans bring up the problems with Obama. The MSM (especially MSNBC) protected Obama and trashed anyone who went up against him. It was the conservatives who didn’t have the stomach to really learn about Obama well enough to defeat him. The game has changed and the Republicans were not up for the challenge. Instead of backing your candidates, Republicans put them down and gave no support. The treatment of Palin by the “men” of Fox News is downright disgraceful. Are they taking notes from Olbermann?
Not only has the Republicans lost the White House, but the Congress too. Instead of bashing McCain, ask yourself what the hell Bush has done for the conservative movement??? Bush’s legacy is garbage thanks to his ineffectual leadership. You can only prop him up for so long.
The fault, dear katiejane, lies not in the stars, but in ourselves.
stefystef on November 6, 2008 at 11:02 AM
I have been waiting about five years, trust me, a snowball fight in hell seems to be more likely.
LevStrauss on November 6, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Naw..the polls were all over the place. We were just hopefull that it would break our way. Don’t be so crunchy faced.
you want your reality based party back? then accept the one person..THE ONE PERSON that garnered any sort of passion and electricity this election as PART of the new conservative leadership. Maybe not the standard bearer..maybe she is..I don’t know.
But she is definitely a big part.
Glad to have her.
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 11:06 AM
I think its shameful how the media treated Palin from the beginning. Now, Fox is just kicking her when she is down. I really don’t understand why these ‘Palin is dumb’ stories are being reported so much, while Biden said such idiotic comments throughout the election and will continue throughout the next four years. If Palin had made that stock market comment that Biden did she would have been destroyed. One ‘gotcha’ interview with Couric ruined her credentials? Palin wiped the floor with Biden in her debate. She was a breath of fresh air for the republican party so why must the destroy her character & credibility when it’s more solid than Obama’s?
The woman had an 80% approval rating as a governor, while the democratic congress has a 10% approval rating. No other governor had such a high approval rating in the entire country. Why wasn’t this reported as its part of her qualifications? Instead, we have to adhere to two crappy interviews with biased news reporters and the rest of the media cramming down our throats how horrible she is, while Obama/Biden got a free pass in their mistakes and their past. The state of politics and the media make me sick.
Indy928 on November 6, 2008 at 11:06 AM
I’ll never understand the love affair some of you have with this vacuous buffoon from Alaska. She’s NOT a conservative. She’s a religious fundamentalist and an authoritarian populist. She’s the problem with the GOP, not the solution. Most of you clowns would consider Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan to be liberals if you truly understood their positions on issues and their political philosophy. Go start your own damn party and take Malkin and the Captain with you.
dakine on November 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Not really. I predict that Obama will be such a dismal failure that we’ll not see another black in the White House.
LimeyGeek on November 6, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Carl Cameron, the “very tough stuff” one note wonder is looking for a new note and found it in bashing Sarah.
Cavuto and Greta are the only reasons to watch Fox. And maybe Brit Hume when he has Krauthammer on.
Hannity, while well-meaning, is another one noter. O’Reilly is more interested in self-promotion but I do like when he has Miller on. Chris Wallace is overrated and makes preposterous assumptions.
But without Fox, where would Morris, Rove, Gingrich and other conservative Washington insiders appear?
CarolynM on November 6, 2008 at 11:11 AM
I completely disagree with you, dakine, but thank you for your observations so I will know what I’m up against in my support of Mrs. Palin.
gracie on November 6, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Dakine on November 6, 2008 at 11:08 AM wrote:
Actually, Sarah Palin is a fiscal, social and national security conservative with a touch of strong libertarianism. Very much like Ronald Reagan. Which is why she is so incredibly popular with the base.
Norwegian on November 6, 2008 at 11:16 AM
Be sure and write us when you become a successful governor with a successful track record.
viking01 on November 6, 2008 at 11:19 AM
Yep. I was reading somewhere yesterday where an activist has already declared that basically Obama is not black enough. When can we return to individualism?!
Kamikaze on November 6, 2008 at 11:20 AM
In terms of political talent Sarah is eloquent and charismatic and has the ability draw huge crowds; you really couldn’t say that about both Bush I and Bush II, Dole or McCain. She is definitely a top tier candidate and you will be a better candidate if she chooses to run in 2012. Talented people only improve with time and age.
technopeasant on November 6, 2008 at 11:21 AM
I don’t understand the love affair people have with this buffoon and lame brain Obama, other than he’s black. Obama is a straight up socialist with the mentality of a leftist college kid who just read about Marxism and thinks its a good idea. Obama’s worldview and understanding of the Constitution is so immature and naive, I still find it unbelievable that he is our next president.
Face it, if he was a white guy he wold have never gotten past Hillary and would be laughed off the stage. The democrats thrust this guy into the candidacy knowing they can carry the race card to the White House. Obama will be a puppet because he has no experience and cannot solve any problem or make any important decision on his own. He record reinforces this. So, people call Palin inexperienced, while she has more experience than Obama? Give me a break, in comparison she ran for the VP and and more experienced and accomplished than the Dem’s Presidential candidate! This is a cruel joke to those who take this country seriously.
Indy928 on November 6, 2008 at 11:22 AM
The instant you said “religious fundamentalist” told me that you would never vote for her and just plain hate her.
out of bigotry.
Your choice of course. But please just say you hate her cuz shes a christian. Don’t lather it up with alot of wasted words to try and make it seem like you are a thoughtful person.
It wastes your time writing it, and our time reading it.
Just edit it down to the basics.
“I hate her because shes a believer.”
Hope I helped ya.
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM
As strong a performer as Obama was during the campaign, after 4 years in the White House he will be even better. He would crush Palin. Don’t jump on me, I like her and think that she might have been a wonderful addition to the national scene. Maybe having undergone the fire of this campaign will make her hungry for another one in which she will be better prepared. But if it is in 2012 against Obama, assuming he is merely adequate as President, anyone we run, especially her, will be crushed.
Sheerq on November 6, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Call me crazy but I just automatically believe Sarah and no one else. Obviously I don’t know her personally and have no inside knowledge. What I do know however, is that she is the one with the conservative core principles. Based on that, I bet she acted righteously, maybe passionately, but righteously.
Anyway, is any of this really news? I don’t give a crap how nice my elected officials are as long as they believe in an America I might at least recognize.
RobertCSampson on November 6, 2008 at 11:24 AM
Dakine is astroturf. Ignore it, don’t take it seriously.
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 11:24 AM
That’s about how it’s shaking out for me too.
Moxie on November 6, 2008 at 11:25 AM
Well done, viking01. : ))
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 11:29 AM
If they nominate Palin in 2012 the party will go completely down the tubes. People with an IQ higher than their shoe size are just not going to go along with this nonsense. When Noonan, somebody I am lukewarm on, said that she represents a “vulgarization” of politics like never seen before she was spot on. Much of her support is just an extension of her supporters’ own inferiority complexes with regard to intellect, they are intimidated by smart people and their comments show that.
This has nothing to do with elitism, if you cannot name a Supreme Court case you disagree with, you have no business being a bullet away from nominating justices. If you didn’t give a crap about learning it the first forty years of you life, then obviously your conservative principles aren’t that strong to begin with, regardless of your vague rhetoric.
LevStrauss on November 6, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Yep, right on. Still waiting for the apology from Carl Cameron and Fox News.
MrLynn on November 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM
sigh..Norwegians have such pretty hair..:)
That aside, Its interesting that so many people who say “we need Reagan, not Reagan enough!!”
Many of those people have such a narrow idea of WHO Reagan really was. In total!
ITs almost like they have tapped into a ‘cliff notes’ idea of what and who Reagan is/was.
Lazy. Very lazy thinking.
I don’t want another Reagan.
I do want someone who has something that Reagan had tho.
I want someone REAL.
I want someone GENUINE.
I want someone who says FIGHT AND ACTUALLY FIGHTS DAMNIT.
I want someone who isnt afraid to say they love this country andisnt ashamed to say it, or show it.
Thats why I am a conservative and not a liberal.
(national anthem rises up in the background..as I stand on my chair imagining myself in a very nice suit and much more muscled body with a tushy that you could bounce a brick off of)
GOD…BLESS….AMERICA!!
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 11:33 AM
Spot on LevStrauss. The Palin nomination will go down as maybe THE low point of the conservative movement
BTW Dumbo, the “astroturf” thing jumped the shark quite a while ago. The election is over.
dakine on November 6, 2008 at 11:35 AM
To all the Republicans and Conservatives:
Ronald Reagan is dead.
Stop trying to resurrect him. You need to work on building new leaders, new solutions, a new agenda for your Party. If you keep trying to find someone who fits into the unique and special politician that Reagan was, then you will lose ever seat in the Congress never see the White House again.
Think outside of the box. This is sound advise from a Democrat who voted for McCain. I saw the potential of a McCain/Palin Administration… sorry the conservatives and republicans were so short sighted.
stefystef on November 6, 2008 at 11:39 AM
For the record, some of our more effective Presidents had no college: Washington, Jackson, Lincoln, Truman. I am not saying that we should agree with all of their actions, but I am quite certain that you could find a good number of any of their contemporaries who thought they were dolts.
Kamikaze on November 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM
We need somebody who can explain limited government principles to the people, especially since the MSM rejects it and so has the Republican Party the last eight years at least. Tell them why regulation was the problem that helped create housing bubble. Tell them how liberal justices will rule on the side of things like eminent domain. Tell them how taxes hurt business and lowers their wages, when you have to pay tax and your employer has to match that, who is losing out? Nobody can elaborate on this stuff, Palin cannot do this. Tell them how the bailout was theft and how it might delay and worsen the inevitable. Of course most wont’t elaborate on this stuff because they don’t really believe it, if the past eight years haven’t proved this, I don’t know what to tell these people. Actions and words should have different weight and people are putting too much weight on empty rhetoric.
LevStrauss on November 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM
It’s all they have left.
LevStrauss on November 6, 2008 at 11:44 AM
nonsense. Sorry. look. The one thing that obama has going against him is reality.
In four years, you cannot hide behind a veil, which is what he has done in this election. Noone knows him. TWO YEARS in the senate. No one knows him. No record. Just pretty speaches.
Beyond that, now people are going to be watching. You can’t hide behind “present” votes.
Meanwhile back at conservative side, Sarah, bobby and kind will be governing. Sarah will have more experience as she goes on governing. And governing succesfully. With her record showing exactly that.
Another thing that goes against obama is that he showed a weekness when challenged. He is going to stumble and stumble badly when faced with honest to goodness evil baddies. That arent interested in being ’speachified’.
The really bad thing is that its going to be bad for the country. But the country it appears needs a wake up call and a reminder of WHY it hasnt been attacked in 8 years.
As for Noonan…I suspect that there might be a little “mirror mirror on the wall” syndrome going on with her and kathy parker.
Age can be a bitch sometimes…(you may quote me)
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 11:50 AM
I’ll throw another name out for 2012…
Gen. Tommy Franks
Fires1 on November 6, 2008 at 11:56 AM
One guy I know voted for Obama because he’d heard that McCain didn’t know how to use a keyboard. Now, I wonder where that rumor came from? A: it wasn’t Moveon.org — it was the Obama Campaign itself, whose candidate approved the message. Which candidate played the racism card early and often? It sure wasn’t McCain!
As for McCain, he challenged Obama on his associations, not any physical infirmities. His record of (non)accomplishment, his youth (1/6th the experience of John F. Kennedy when he assumed the Presidency), the (non)specifics of his platform, his habit of voting Present even in the Senate — all these were the things addressed by McCain on the trail, and they were legitimate concerns.
Go over to the the Obama website — it’s still there. READ his position stuff. Long on empty words, short on specifics. Now go over to the McCain website — it’s still there. By the way, if the words on the McCain site are too long, choose a topic. Both the Obama and McCain websites have a section on the economy. Read them.
Choose something in the economy sections — say, ethanol, which both candidates address. Read about (on the McCain site only) how ethanol production has raised food prices (since corn is used both as a human foodsource, in sweetener production, and as a feed grain for livestock) and that the poor are especially affected by this rise. Then note how Obama and McCain would address this issue — which one actually notes the effect of ethanol production on the poor, and which one’s policy would ameliorate that problem.
And, if you want a real hoot, look over all the literature on the two sites for the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac stuff, and see who would keep the policies in place which lead to the problems in the first place, and which guy would have changed them to prevent its recurrence. When your kids can’t buy a house, ask yourself whether government intervention in the mortgage markets led to that problem, and which candidate wants more of the same.
I’m going to stop right there. You will have the President Government you elected, and my hands are unsullied by that lever.
unclesmrgol on November 6, 2008 at 11:56 AM
eplain on November 6, 2008 at 10:35 AM
You can disagree without being disagreeable. Did you know Reagan had several liberal friends in the Senate? Calling someone weak because they play basketball with the guy who disagrees with you politically, jut shows how small you are. I can see why you pissed him off.
Conservative Voice on November 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM
Why is it that every time I hear the term “jumped the shark”..I get odd images of shark porn in my noggin?
goodness gracious..maybe I’m more of a liberal than I thought.
therapy? Yes, have some!
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 11:58 AM
So much other crap I can mention but it isn’t worth it… The media failed big time this year and anyone who has a clue knows it.
Palinpuma on November 6, 2008 at 8:21 AM
That would be correct, if the media was ethical. The media did exactly the job they set out to do and did it masterfully.
N4646W on November 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM
Ever notice that Obama ran his campaign against Palin, rarely against McCain? Fact is he knew who the real threat was. Do you not think McCain didn’t notice that?
I am glad that McCain lost for one thing, now I don’t have to excuse his sorry butt for not being a conservative, like I had to do with President Bush.
Conservative Voice on November 6, 2008 at 12:01 PM
If Sarah chooses to run for President in 2012, she will rise or fall based on her talent as a politician, her ability to communicate, her ability to raise huge sums of money for a serious run and her charisma to draw primary voters to her tent. One thing for sure, with time and age, Sarah will be a better candidate in 2012. She will know what is awaiting her in terms of the MSM and the Obama campaign. She will be better versed on foreign policy and will have time to sharpen her attack and clarify where she wants to position herself on the issues of the day; with McCain she had to tailor her message to suit his; when she goes solo those restrictions won’t apply. In the meantime stop with the nonsense that she isn’t qualified for the job as VP or President. She proved her mettle and revealed her intelligence on the campaign trail for two straight months in a high-pressure crucible that few of us could imagine. She has emerged more popular now than she was perceived when she entered the fray. I don’t think you can say that now about McCain or his staffers, can you?
technopeasant on November 6, 2008 at 12:04 PM
From GretaWire:
Sweetness0726 on November 6, 2008 at 12:05 PM
This is true, but not reality. Obama because was given a free pass by the PC media afraid to criticize a black candidate and this will continue when he’s president. Any opposition will be essentially squashed and his mistakes will be sugarcoated by ‘his’ media backers. It will appear to be successful on the outside to the masses, but inside it will be a failure. Biden will be calling the shots and Obama just be a puppet to Pelosi, Reid & Franks.
The media just refused to do their job as journalists and became propagandists and essential tothe Obama campaign. Obama was not good during his debates, but accoridng to the media ‘he won’. They regurgitated democrat talking points throughout the entire election. They actually became a part of the Obama campaign and just dished the dirt on McCain & Palin. This is an obvious fact backed up by independent research. If Obama had the same scrutiny and bias that was held against McCain, it would have been much closer. Just look, if McCain had the Acorn voter registration fraud going on as well as fraudulent campaign donors like Obama had, it would have destroyed him. Instead it was Obama and just basically ignored and swept under the rug. Even the mortgage crisis was misrepresented by the media to favor Obama. They essentially lied about it to the American people.
Well, people got what they wanted. He will be a disaster to this economy. Everyone in their right minds knows this. It is not the time to ‘change’ our economy to socialist where he taxes the crap out of businesses to spread the wealth to failed socialist programs and welfare tax credits to people. That will not help the economy, will someone please explain to me how it will? Just because people don’t like rich people and oil company’s doesn’t mean everyone has to be punished. The economy is at a fragile state needs to be supported, not torn apart by some socialist’s pipe dream.
Indy928 on November 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Roger that LevStrauss. At the risk of being unnecessarily cruel, Palin is dumb as a rock and completely off her rocker.
Conservative Voice, Obama barely acknowledged Palin’s existence. He won by hammering on the McCain = Bush theme. You saw what you wanted to see.
dakine on November 6, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Sure Obama will be a better candidate in 2012, but so will Sarah. And this time her hands won’t be tied by McCain’s positions, McCain himself or his staffers.
technopeasant on November 6, 2008 at 12:10 PM
One of the surest signs of astroturf or seminar callers as they used to be called is that they attack a given conservative politician without claiming a single conservative cause which they support.
There are exceptions, but most Astroturfers are liberals in disguise or ivory tower libertarians who claim contempt for the entire political process based on their own intellectual superiority.
Thank them for their insights but it is best to ignore them. You know when someone is offering constructive criticism and when someone is striking an intellectually superior pose. Astroturfers are a disruptive force who seek only to fragment and divide. Conservatives have enough on our plate now, we don’t need to pit social conservatives against libertarians or national security conservatives. Astroturfers have nothing to offer and should not be engaged.
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Yeah ignoring those “elitist” libertarians asking for leaders with some small government principles and the ability to explain them. I will begin to become an elitist if it is elitist to advocate Federalism, seems most Republicans these days don’t understand nor care about it, they just want someone who can memorize canned talking points and does well as long as she doesn’t have to stray away from them and engage in a back and forth dialogue, especially in when general knowledge questions are involved.
Ignoring us “ivory towers” libertarians worked our really well this past Tuesday, didn’t it?
LevStrauss on November 6, 2008 at 12:19 PM
Above all as conservatives let us resolve to not attack our own for the next 6 months and focus on issues, policy and the direction the party should take to prepare for 2010 and 2012 and let’s really focus on Obama and his radical socialist agenda. Let’s act like grown-ups rather than spoiled children who thinks they had their bicycle stolen from them by a relative or friend when all along it was the neighbor who lived across the street.
technopeasant on November 6, 2008 at 12:23 PM
We have to get the moderates (AKA LIBERALS!) Out of the Republican Party… GET OUT!!!!
Sarah Palin salvaged a bad campaign as much as it was possible to do so! Now these guys that had the brilliant idea of appealing to libs for vote lost and want to blame her???? GET THEM OUT!
lanesmerge on November 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM
Kindly provide proof of your expertise of such conditions (besides your posts). Silly Obambi cultists. All bark no bite. Well, the Obambi cultists do “bite” actually but only in a figurative sense.
viking01 on November 6, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Yeah, OK ! Palin never said anything this dumb:
“Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.”
- Barack Obama
“”When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the princes of greed,”
- Joe Biden
What if Palin said this? Coming from the other side they are just ‘rhetorical flourishes’!
Indy928 on November 6, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Whats intresting is …lets look at how some of those ‘moderates’ fared.
Shays….out.
lincoln chaffe….out.
Mccain……..OUT!
these are people that dems say are the very repubs they want.
OUT.
I say…we don’t give them the honeymoon.
I start attacking today. with every bit as much venom as they have given. I think that they have given us the checkered flag.
This nonsensical idea of “embrace bipartisanship”. Look where it gets you when only one does it. When they do it, I’ll do it.
For the first time in my history, I’m going full guns out. As an artist…I’m going to have lots..LOTS of fun. And no one will be off limits.
Just using their set of rules.
Let the games begin.
Handel on November 6, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I find this rather rich indeed…how about the non-vetting of Barry Whosane? That makes the non-vetting (on purpose, because Juan had no intention of really winning–he threw it to the Demos long ago!)
Shep and Carl can eat my grits…they are part of the reason i no longer watch FNC at all.
BOTTOM LINE: NO ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO STOP THE ONE. (Blaming it on Sarah is the biggest pile I have ever seen!)
BO was able to defeat the Clinton machine, how could McAmnesty come close with Sarah as the sacrificial conservative lamb?!!!
Get real, FNC, RNC, RINOs, Neo-Cons, ruling elite, and MSM!
Christine on November 6, 2008 at 1:04 PM
Duh, I forgot to finish my second sentence: that makes the ‘non-vetting’ of Sarah look mild in comparison!
Christine on November 6, 2008 at 1:06 PM
I find it astounding that given all the lies uttered by BO and all the facts pointing to the dangerousness of Barry Whosane, all the media can cover is Sarah. Fox News just fell in the toilet with the rest of the competition. Not even Glenn Beck will help rescue it from the sewer.
Progessoverpeace: What edgy poet wrote a story about a guy who taught his posterior to talk? I think it was about Joe, ‘Where you goin’ with your mouth jabberin’?', Biden? I forget who wrote it but I heard Zappa perform it back in my youth. It was graphic, but apropo in this instance.
Christine on November 6, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Carl Cameron must be looking for a job at CNN. I posted over at Gretawire and expressed how Cameron’s purposeful leaking was disappointing to say the least.
Bad form but shows how McCain’s campaign staff is trying to spin their loss on Palin. How in the world do these guys/gals think that this is going to win them points with the base of the party? McCain is running against the base and running for cover with the MSM. His handlers are no different.
McCain is a painful kidney stone that must be passed from Republican leadership. I don’t wish to see him at CPAC. The finger pointing of McCain’s staff speaks volumes.
These guys vetted her, now have the balls to claim that she isn’t smart? Who the Hell will hire these backstabbing idiots in the future?
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 1:22 PM
Love it! Fox is turning on the idiot wing of the GOP. Tito the Builder must be angry especially since America been berry berry good to him.
Vernon Hardapple on November 6, 2008 at 1:33 PM
This is who a genius libertarian CATO mind would chose to lead the Republican Party. John Sununu. Pardon me if I disagree with your superior intellect.
I tend to think that CATO is looking to tap Soros for funding. Enough said.
http://www.forbes.com/opinions/2008/11/05/libertarian-election-issues-oped-cx_wan_1106niskanen.html
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 1:35 PM
While we are on the topic of turning moderate Republicans into Democrats. I offer a little bit of levity from the Peoples Cube.
http://thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=1964&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I’ll never understand the stupid people who look at a successful mayor, department director of the state, and governor, with an 75% approval rating and a record of reform, often against established people in her party, and then think she’s somehow a “vacuous buffoon.”
If this is what you get from a vacuous buffoon, then we need to start giving IQ tests to politicians and voting against anyone whose IQ is over a 100.
And no, I’m not seriously suggesting we let the government be run by stupid people. (That’s what the Democratic party is for.) I’m mocking your notion that Sarah Palin is some kind of idiot.
I thought I’d better add that last paragraph to be clear. Based on your arguments, you didn’t seem to be perceptive enough to pick up on it without help.
tom on November 6, 2008 at 1:42 PM
I wish I could say that was untrue.
tom on November 6, 2008 at 1:55 PM
Thank you, tom.
Pardon the pun, but it pains me to say it. ; ))
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 2:05 PM
+1
Palin is not a Great Communicator. All she has is low-level rhetoric and that’s not going to be enough to win a national election.
haner on November 6, 2008 at 2:52 PM
First, let me say that as a true conservative (the type, unlike most D.C. Republicans, who believes in small govt., secure borders, etc.), Sarah Palin was the only reason I supported this ticket.
However, the claim that she did not know Africa is a continent got me thinking. She was a beauty queen, after all. Did her answer sound anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
Phildorex on November 6, 2008 at 2:54 PM
The fact that the trolls and the media still feel the need to try to denigrate Governor Palin tells me that they realise just what a threat she is to the left.
Additionally, that they have a hatred for smart, beautiful, powerful women with strong morals and the courage to back up their convictions.
Mulligan on November 6, 2008 at 2:55 PM
I don’t think 491,970 votes would have mattered, even if they were ideally placed.
Y-not on November 6, 2008 at 3:08 PM
As to the Palin is a dummy narrative, I remind you that Reagan was a popularly derided as a former “b-movie actor” and “amiable dunce” (note to the faint of heart – liberals always have portrayed conservatives as stupid or hateful).
As to the palpable disdain members of the republican party and hotair posters have for us social conservatives, keep it to yourselves.
You can’t even dream of winning elections without us and we are going nowhere.
Angry Dumbo on November 6, 2008 at 3:20 PM
That’s quite a statement seeing as Obama’s campaign went into a tailspin. They changed their tactics to thwart her incredible strong showing. They admitted in the WSJ article that they had to change their tactics, she was much stronger then they thought.
Looks like “You saw what you wanted to see”.
right2bright on November 6, 2008 at 3:28 PM
Give me a break. Right now, Gov. Palin is more of a threat to the future of the Republican Party than any threat to the Democrats.
If she’s nominated for 2012 or 2016, I see a landslide loss for the GOP. We need a nominee who can successfully communicate the issues. When she herself doesn’t have half a clue what those issues are, how is she going to talk to the American people aside through shallow rhetoric?
haner on November 6, 2008 at 3:38 PM
If Ronald Reagan had been Governor of Alaska, its doubtful he ever would have gotten elected President. THAT is the problem with Palin’s future chances. Her state is too small in population and too much unlike the rest of the country to give her much popularity. I guaruntee that if Howard Dean had been from someplace other than Vermont, he would have beaten Kerry in 2004.
Speedwagon82 on November 6, 2008 at 3:39 PM
I don’t know if this is true or not and I would say it isn’t since we are hearing it via the media and sources that won’t come forward.
In any case I am married to a real African American and he has to remind me that Africa is continent all the time.
In any case…get over I am voting for her if she runs again and next time I hope the country doesn’t put up with the trashing.
SgtRed on November 6, 2008 at 3:44 PM
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