How does a Minnesota recount work?

posted at 4:00 pm on November 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

With a recount mandated by the razor-thin margin in the Senate race in Minnesota between Norm Coleman and Al Franken, and its national implications, understanding the process is critical.  Fortunately, Minnesota has prepared itself well in two ways for this task.  First, we use optical-scan ballots that render most of the usual issues in recounts moot, and we combine that with a rather straightforward process.  Flash at Centrisity, one of our excellent moderate local bloggers, covers the statutes involved.

I have the text below for those who want to peruse it all the way through, but essentially it establishes a few principles:

  • Each precinct is recounted independently.
  • The recount official in each precinct determines whether to use hand recounts or machine recounts.
  • The rules for establishing voter intent on questionable ballots are pretty clear cut.

This starts with the use of the optical-scan ballots.  Voters have to fill in a bubble to select a candidate, which eliminates the potential problems with punch cards that we saw in Florida in 2000.  Furthermore, the ballots get scanned when the voter submits it.  If the ballot cannot be read properly, the scanner rejects it immediately, giving the voter another opportunity to correct their ballot.  It won’t catch everything, but it does provide a good preventive measure.

I’m reasonably confident that Minnesota will avoid the kind of nonsense we saw in Florida eight years ago.  And while both parties will airdrop lawyers into Minnesota over the next few weeks, they probably won’t have much to do, other than boost the local restaurant and hotel business.  I’ll be discussing this on the Hugh Hewitt Show tonight, so be sure to tune in!

8235.0800 COUNTING AND CHALLENGING BALLOTS.
Ballots must be recounted by precinct. The recount official shall open the sealed envelope of ballots and recount them in accordance with Minnesota Statutes, section 204C.22. If a candidate or candidate’s representative disagrees with the recount official’s determination of whether and for whom the ballot should be counted, the ballot may be challenged. At a recount of a ballot question, the manner in which a ballot is counted may be challenged by the person who requested the recount or that person’s representative. Challenges may not be automatic or frivolous and the challenger must state the basis for the challenge. The precinct name, the reason for the challenge, and the name of the person challenging the ballot must be marked on the back of each challenged ballot before it is placed in an envelope marked “Challenged Ballots.” After the count of votes for the precinct has been determined, all ballots except the challenged ballots must be resealed in the ballot envelopes and returned with the other election materials to the custodian of the ballots. After the count of votes for all precincts has been determined, the challenged ballot envelope must be sealed and kept secure for presentation to the canvassing board.

8235.1000 ELECTRONIC VOTING SYSTEMS.
In precincts in an election jurisdiction where an electronic voting system is used, the recount official shall determine if the ballots are to be recounted on the electronic voting system or manually. If the ballots are recounted on the electronic voting system, a test of the program and the voting system must be made immediately prior to the recount, and a test sample of the ballots must also be counted manually. Unless the jurisdiction has only one precinct, the test sample shall be from at least two precincts, one selected by each candidate. In each of the precincts selected, the sample shall be at least three percent of the ballots cast or 50 ballots, whichever is greater. The test sample must also be counted on the voting system. Access to the immediate area of the voting system is limited to the recount official and legal adviser, officials of the election jurisdiction, the candidates and their representatives, and the technical persons necessary to the operation of the counting equipment. An observation area must be provided for the public. Ballots must be recounted by precinct. A report of recount results must be provided for each precinct. After the count of ballots for a precinct has been determined, all ballots must be resealed in the ballot container and returned with the other materials to the custodian of the ballots.
204C.22 DETERMINING VOTER’S INTENT.
Subdivision 1.Ballot valid if intent determinable.

A ballot shall not be rejected for a technical error that does not make it impossible to determine the voter’s intent. In determining intent the principles contained in this section apply.

Subd. 2.From face of ballot only.

Intent shall be ascertained only from the face of the ballot.

Subd. 3.Votes for too many candidates.

If a voter places a mark (X) beside the names of more candidates for an office than are to be elected or nominated, the ballot is defective with respect only to that office. No vote shall be counted for any candidate for that office, but the rest of the ballot shall be counted if possible. At a primary, if a voter has not indicated a party preference and places a mark (X) beside the names of candidates of more than one party on the partisan ballot, the ballot is totally defective and no votes on it shall be counted. If a voter has indicated a party preference at a primary, only votes cast for candidates of that party shall be counted.

Subd. 3a.Votes yes and no.

If a voter votes both yes and no on a question, no vote may be counted for that question, but the rest of the ballot must be counted if possible.

Subd. 4.Name written in proper place.

If a voter has written the name of an individual in the proper place on a general or special election ballot a vote shall be counted for that individual whether or not the voter makes a mark (X) in the square opposite the blank.
Subd. 4a.Write-in vote for candidate team.

A write-in vote cast for a candidate for governor without a write-in vote for a candidate for lieutenant governor must be counted as a vote for the candidate team including the lieutenant governor candidate selected by that candidate for governor.

Subd. 5.Name written on primary ballot.

If a voter has written the name of an individual on a primary or special primary ballot, a vote shall not be counted for that office.

Subd. 6.Mark out of place.

If a mark (X) is made out of its proper place, but so near a name or space as to indicate clearly the voter’s intent, the vote shall be counted.

Subd. 7.All written names or marks counted up to limit.

If a number of individuals are to be elected to the same office, the election judges shall count all names written in and all printed names with (X) marks in squares opposite them, not exceeding the whole number to be elected. When fewer names than the number to be elected are marked with an (X) or written in, only the marked or written in names shall be counted. When more names than the number to be elected are marked or written in, the ballot is defective with respect to that office and no vote shall be counted for that office.

Subd. 8.Misspelling; abbreviations.

Misspelling or abbreviations of the names of write-in candidates shall be disregarded if the individual for whom the vote was intended can be clearly ascertained from the ballot.

Subd. 9.Votes for only some offices or questions determined.

If the voter’s choice for only some of the offices or questions can be determined from a ballot, the ballot shall be counted for those offices or questions only.

Subd. 10.Different marks.

If a voter uniformly uses a mark other than (X) which clearly indicates an intent to mark a name or to mark yes or no on a question, and the voter does not use (X) anywhere else on the ballot, a vote shall be counted for each candidate or response to a question marked. If a voter uses two or more distinct marks, such as (X) and some other mark, a vote shall be counted for each candidate or response to a question marked, unless the ballot is marked by distinguishing characteristics that make the entire ballot defective as provided in subdivision 13.

Subd. 11.Attempted erasures.

If the names of two candidates have been marked, and an attempt has been made to erase or obliterate one of the marks, a vote shall be counted for the remaining marked candidate. If an attempt has been made to obliterate a write-in name a vote shall be counted for the remaining write-in name or marked candidate.

Subd. 12.Soil; defacement.

A ballot shall not be rejected merely because it is slightly soiled or defaced.
Subd. 13.Identifying ballot.

If a ballot is marked by distinguishing characteristics in a manner making it evident that the voter intended to identify the ballot, the entire ballot is defective.

Subd. 14.No votes for certain offices.

If the number of candidates for an office is equal to the number of individuals to be elected to that office, and the voter has not marked any name, no vote shall be counted for any candidate for that office.

Subd. 15.Blank ballot for one or more offices valid.

If no name or response to a question is marked and no name is written in, the ballot is blank with respect to that office or question. A ballot that is blank with respect to one or more offices or questions is not defective.


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Hey, look at that…

DOW drops 500 points today.

I THOUGHT FAUXBAMA WAS HEALING THE WORLD!

Enoxo on November 5, 2008 at 4:02 PM

Well, people are getting what they asked for.

romanianhacker on November 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM

Yes – we must all take vows of charity cough it up, proles!!

J.J. Sefton on November 5, 2008 at 4:04 PM

ED a post on the DOW….OBAMA WINS MARKET TANKS…. come on start the education of the americian people on what their vote will cost them..

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Senator Al Franken

pseudonominus on November 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM

It’s 75 here in Indianapolis today on November 5. Damn, that global warming is still here. I thought it would be fixed by now. I guess I wasn’t looking closely enough for the heavens to open and a light shine down. Oh well.

Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Was ACORN active in the state? If so, what measures were in place to prevent fraudulent votes, double voting, people registered in two states etc? Or does any of that matter once the votes are cast?

patrick neid on November 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Does it help Mitt Romney?

thirteen28 on November 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM

With the DOW dropping today, I had the same thought, but to be fair, let’s see how it performs over the next 12 months. I was wondering on Monday, when the pundits coul dnot give a rational explanation why it had a GOOD day, if it was spurred on by a belief that the race was tight and within the margin of error (so a Mccain win was possible, even if not probable, to most investors). Now, with the election results, is this the market’s way of saying they are fearful of liberal policies that can be pushed through Congress without a Republican President standing in the way?
Time will tell.

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM

MSNBCs headline – Dow down 500 points.

Not DOW PLUMMETS 500 POINTS!

Or DOW DOWN GREATEST DROP ON A WEDNESDAY.

Nope, the spinning towards protection has begun…

Skywise on November 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Georgia stays RED
John McCain 2,019,734 52.4%
Barack Obama 1,803,905 46.8%
Bob Barr 28,414 0.7%
Totals 3,852,053

However, looks like a runoff for Saxby.

I URGE MY FELLOW GEORGIANS TO GET OUT AND VOTE DEC. 2!!

U.S. Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) and Democratic challenger Jim Martin both geared up Wednesday for a runoff, even though an undetermined number of votes were still being tallied.

Brat on November 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM

I keep looking at my front step. Where’s my government cheese I was promised??????????

Sugar Land on November 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM

Most recounts end up favoring the winner by even more…

right2bright on November 5, 2008 at 4:10 PM

I keep looking at my front step. Where’s my government cheese I was promised??????????

Sugar Land on November 5, 2008 at 4:09 PM

I live out in a rural area, so i am waiting until they fill up my gas tank so i can drive into the city to pick up my cheese.

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:10 PM

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:08 PM

Are you serious? The 500pt drop is 5% of the market. the market spoke today on the election results and it was not happy. Capitalism and socialism do not mix when socialism has the majority. We will never see DOw 9500 in the next 4 years…..never..

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Obama and America is like mixing Oil and Water, that is why the Market is freaked out

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM

So did Coleman win or what?

goldeagle11 on November 5, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Senator Al FrankenClown

pseudonominus on November 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM

please no please no please no please no

Brat on November 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM

People this is why we lose elections. We have a cause and effect here. We have an election of a socialist and we have the effect of a DOw dropping 5%. and yet not one conservative blog is blaring the news. We need to hammer the dems on the effects of their victory. We need to educate the public in economics. The choice 63m people made last night cuased the stock market to lose 5% we need to yell this from the rooftops, This is what white guilt cost all those affluent white middle class voters.

We need to attack the one that voted for Obama and make them see every day for the next four years what their vote for white guilt has cost them on a persoanl basis. so what if the dow gfoes up tommorrow. It will be burned in their mind. Everytime it drops we hammer them on this every time…

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM

yes I am serious, and I’d like to see more data before making the assumption that I believe you are making. Let’s see where it goes over a longer period of time. I hope you are wrong, but you may very well be right.

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

so 440 votes roughly have to flip to Franken for him to win?

what are odds of that historically with recounts?

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I pulled my IRA out of the market at 12,000. I dipped my toes back in at 8000 (and did really well really fast), but today I pulled it back out of the market again. Can’t tell you when (or if) it goes back in.

Squiggy on November 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Beware Subd. 13. I can see any number of claims that a voter used a “distintive” mark in an attempt to make his ballot identifiable. It’s the only item that is not only purely subjective, but open to infinitely wide interpretation.

RegularJoe on November 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I agree but it’d be easier to point out the obviuos if the DOW hadn’t been making jumps all over the place the last month.

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Again I ask, will they be looking to see that the votes cast were valid to begin with?

patrick neid on November 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:12 PM

yes I am serious, and I’d like to see more data before making the assumption that I believe you are making. Let’s see where it goes over a longer period of time. I hope you are wrong, but you may very well be right.

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Don’t care. I say hammer, hammer, hammer. That’s one of the main reasons we lost yesterday – the libs kept hammering on every fault, no matter how tiny or stupid. (well, that, and the fact that we tried to elect a rino)

Squiggy on November 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM

As an election judge supervisor last night, I can assure you ACORN didn’t stand a chance… of course that was Eagan, Ed. I can also attest to the fact that it wouldn’t be all the difficult to re tally the ballots. Certainly not until December. But, I am going to hesitate to warn Frankenstuff that his move to have a recount, will normally work against him. These are captive ballots and can’t be tampered with further. I want that smarmy, high voiced piece of water buffalo dung out of this state

MNDavenotPC on November 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM

its not just economics, think about Oil and Drilling and Foreign Policy that should have the markets freaked out.

1) We will not be drilling for oil, in fact the Dems may outlaw all drilling for new oil now.
2) on top of that they want to bankrupt the Coal industry

3) meanwhile, hard powers like Putin have been seizing Oil and Oil infrastructure to control as much as possible. Will probably take over Ukraine and Georgia in near future, at which point they will own Europe.

4) Iran and Middle East…

that is a recipe for an absolute disaster of biblical proportions

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM

We could use a lot more Norm Colemans and a lot less Liddy Doles and Ted Stevens.

Speedwagon82 on November 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM

ED a post on the DOW….OBAMA WINS MARKET TANKS…. come on start the education of the americian people on what their vote will cost them..

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Have you learned nothing grasshopper? When the market tanks on a Dem win, it’s because of the recession [caused by Bush]. If McCain had won and it had skyrocketed, it would have been because stability had been restored.

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM

“distin c tive”

RegularJoe on November 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Senator Al Franken

pseudonominus on November 5, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Just reading that makes me nauseous.

SSF on November 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM

yes I am serious, and I’d like to see more data before making the assumption that I believe you are making. Let’s see where it goes over a longer period of time. I hope you are wrong, but you may very well be right.

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

There is some evidence, and it matches theory. Don’t go doing anything rash, but, after a bit of time to get a wider view of things, chances are this will bare out.

Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM

The lack of seriousness in the political system vis-a-vis Democrats could not be underscored more than by the mere presence of Al Franken and the votes he received.

Minnesota is an imbecilic state.

Then again, so is Connecticut.

drjohn on November 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM

that is a recipe for an absolute disaster of biblical proportions

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM

go listen to Chuck Swindoll’s 1976 sermon on the World’s final dictator… you have to click around on insight.org “listen to broadcast, message, day 2…) but you can find it if you are so inclined…

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM

Red State State of Mind on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

I agree but it’d be easier to point out the obviuos if the DOW hadn’t been making jumps all over the place the last month.

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:18 PM

No it wouldn’t. we have a cuase and effect. The dow will never recover. we will not see 9500 again until OBAMA and the socialists leave power.

And it is easy to make. We were suppose to get hope and change and everyone would love it and peace and utopia and the dow falls 5%..

I mean you can not write a better story if you made it up. The irony, the comeuppunce for people like Buffet and Peggy noonan and esp those white affluent upper middle class that voted for Obama because of his skin color and their guilt. I hope they come down to Joe the plumber’s income. i hope their wealth is wiped out.

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:24 PM

that is a recipe for an absolute disaster of biblical proportions

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Nah. The writers of the bible didn’t know how big the world is, or how many people could actually fit on it.
This will be worse.

Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 4:26 PM

Have you learned nothing grasshopper? When the market tanks on a Dem win, it’s because of the recession [caused by Bush]. If McCain had won and it had skyrocketed, it would have been because stability had been restored.

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Yes I learned. I learned we need to play their game. The MSM would have had the headline up every sec of the day if the market tanked after a Bush win. yet we are too stupid to do the same thing. We allow our enemies to define the battlefield. Enough. It is time we fight. The selloff today is directly due to an Obama win. The market spoke loud and clear on an Obama win as it applies to the free market.

People think Obama will rule as a center mod. The market just told you all you are full of crap. They took their money and went home. Do you all get it. We are at war with socialism as orf 11:00pm last night. The only way to win the war is to educate and reeducate those that think socialism and spreading the wealth are good things.

this is a great learning example of cause and effect. Yuo vote socialism oyur 401k’s go down 5% in a day. You vote for free markets your 401k’s go up 55 in a day.

We need to drive this point home everyday in the next 2 years. With every tax increase, every new regulation, every new price increase. We need to teach the AMerician people economics if they want to learn it or not.

Long live the free market.

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Coleman is being a doucheb*g about the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZppOhCSRyFw

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM

This starts with the use of the optical-scan ballots. Voters have to fill in a bubble to select a candidate, which eliminates the potential problems with punch cards that we saw in Florida in 2000.

I remember seeing pics of some of the interesting stray marks on ballots that were counted in the ’04 WA recount for the governors race at sound politics, but a quick search only turned up these. Optial scan ballots present their own set of problems in close partisan races. Coleman would be advised to have his people watch closely in any deep blue counties.

rw on November 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Don’t care. I say hammer, hammer, hammer. That’s one of the main reasons we lost yesterday – the libs kept hammering on every fault, no matter how tiny or stupid. (well, that, and the fact that we tried to elect a rino)

Squiggy on November 5, 2008 at 4:20 PM

OK that’s the ticket. another foot soldier in the conservative revolution. Hammer them. hammer them day and night. In 2012 I want every Americain to know who caused them to be in poverty, who caused them to be beholden to the UN, who caused our allies to abandon us.

Hammer them hammer they. The dems cost us trillions today. Do you all get it yet!

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Oh for the love of God. People we have a massive selloff the day after an election. the Dow lost 5% and no one gives a crap. We can use this and hammer the dems on this. Show how they are bad for people’s 401k’s we could use this. the MSM understands this. They are in full cover your as* mode. And we the party of the big business, the economic smart party can not bring ourselves to care. Are you all just planning on throwing in the towel. Two years of hammering them on DOw falls, home vaules falling, taxes going up, electric prices, food prices, do nothing congress, pork, budget debt etc and the Americian people will once again hunger for change and hope.

We need to use these moments for instruction. DOw falls 5% on Obama win. Get it. Use it. Educcate the idiots that voted for socialism and never understood what soicalism is.

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Coleman is being a doucheb*g about the whole thing:

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM

As opposed to Franken, who’s totally calm, cool and collected. And has never raised his voice, even once. Maybe that’s because he’s the *unt that needs douchin’?

kirkill on November 5, 2008 at 4:46 PM

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:30 PM

I agree with you buddy. We conservatives get it. 49% (or whatever it was) get it. But in addition to posting comments on blogs, we have to get on school boards, recruit candidates, organize. Have we enough soldiers willing to fight? We will see…personally, I’m off duty until January. I’m taking a break.

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM

so 440 votes roughly have to flip to Franken for him to win?

what are odds of that historically with recounts?

jp on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM

The votes have already been cast, now.

Votes aren’t going to “flip” — new votes are going to be found, probably ballots with incompletely filled-in bubbles and the like.

ClintACK on November 5, 2008 at 4:48 PM

kirkill on November 5, 2008 at 4:46 PM

drywall is a serial troll…engage him and he will never leave. ignore him no matter HOW much he flames, and he goes away.

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:49 PM

agree with you buddy. We conservatives get it. 49% (or whatever it was) get it. But in addition to posting comments on blogs, we have to get on school boards, recruit candidates, organize. Have we enough soldiers willing to fight? We will see…personally, I’m off duty until January. I’m taking a break.

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM

well it would help if OUR MEDIA got it.

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:49 PM

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM

just a question how do you start a PAC?

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:50 PM

Wall Street’s election euphoria disappeared as the Dow took its worst post-Election Day plunge in modern history

Taken from the foxbusiness.com web page.

No connection to the election at all. Nothing to see here, citizen. These aren’t the driods you’re looking for. Move on…

karl9000 on November 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Smart to put it back on Franken.

chiefeditor on November 5, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Are you serious? The 500pt drop is 5% of the market. the market spoke today on the election results and it was not happy. Capitalism and socialism do not mix when socialism has the majority. We will never see DOw 9500 in the next 4 years…..never..

It wasn’t just the US. Markets all over the world went down. Investors all over the world know that Obama is going to be an economic disaster for the United States. Against free markets, wants to raise capital gains taxes etc.

eyedoc on November 5, 2008 at 5:00 PM

Mark Ritchie (the Minnesota SOS) has significant ties to ACORN. But he also knows that all eyes are on him, so he’ll be mightily constrained in trying any shenanigans.

Norm will prevail. And when Franken has to accept it, it will be sweet. Oh my yes.

Mr. D on November 5, 2008 at 5:01 PM

just a question how do you start a PAC?

unseen on November 5, 2008 at 4:50 PM

i guess you would start here

JustTruth101 on November 5, 2008 at 5:04 PM

The lack of seriousness in the political system vis-a-vis Democrats could not be underscored more than by the mere presence of Al Franken and the votes he received.
Minnesota is an imbecilic state.
drjohn on November 5, 2008 at 4:23 PM

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I grew up on the badger side of the Mississippi, and came to learn that “gopher” and “goofy” mean the same thing.

Mark30339 on November 5, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Hopefully the clown the democrat doesn’t win

Palinpuma on November 5, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Coleman is being a doucheb*g about the whole thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZppOhCSRyFw

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 4:32 PM

This just in, HA’s resident douchebag calls kettle black.

rightside on November 5, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Norm being a D-bag??? Are you nuts?

Norm is in the lead. So why should he want a recount?

leave it up to clown boy to start the circus, eh what.

Always Right on November 5, 2008 at 5:43 PM

Norm being a D-bag??? Are you nuts?

Norm is in the lead. So why should he want a recount?

leave it up to clown boy to start the circus, eh what.

Always Right on November 5, 2008 at 5:43 PM
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Hey Dr. Rocket Scientist: recounts happen when it’s within .5%. Coleman has no choice so there’s no point being a di*k about it.

Dave Rywall on November 5, 2008 at 5:50 PM

OT:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=213813

reshas1 on November 5, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Here in the Seattle, they “found” ballots (lo and behold) for a very tight governor’s race in 2004; that’s what I would worry about. The Democrats just keep insisting on counting until they’re ahead, then it’s “game over”.

And guess what. Washington voters rewarded the woman who pulled that stunt yesterday, in a rematch. Obama’s coattails, no doubt, won her the election.

What a disastrous day.

capitalist piglet on November 5, 2008 at 6:10 PM

How does a Minnesota recount work?

1) Republicans count.

2) Dems figure out how many they need to overcome Coleman. Usually something like “Coleman + 2%”
3) Everybody submits their numbers and the state certifies that Franken is the winner.

Bank on it. Coleman is toast. He didn’t win outside the Dems’ “margin of ACORN”…

SCI-FI on November 5, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Yes, we should hammer home the bad things we know are coming. But….we need to do something about the MSM. Knowing that a catastrophe has happened and being able to get the message out will be the key, (boycotts?).

We also need to be out in front of the fairness doctrine fight. The libs are already defining the issue for us. Not good.

prophetsfather on November 5, 2008 at 6:57 PM

The thing I find most amazing is that a recount even needs to be conducted with that turd in the punchbowl, Franken on he ballot. Ed, I sometimes wonder about you Minnesotans.

Big John on November 5, 2008 at 7:14 PM

How a Minnesota recount would work, based on my own knowledge of the state and the way Democrats work (see also Florida, 2000 and Washington State, 2004)

1. Count the ballots.
2. See who is ahead.
3. If it is the Republican candidate, search for more votes and go to step 1.
4. If it is the DFL candidate, declare a winner.

Red Cloud on November 5, 2008 at 11:03 PM

How a Minnesota recount would work, based on my own knowledge of the state and the way Democrats work (see also Florida, 2000 and Washington State, 2004)

1. Count the ballots.
2. See who is ahead.
3. If it is the Republican candidate, search for more votes and go to step 1.
4. If it is the DFL candidate, declare a winner.

Red Cloud on November 5, 2008 at 11:03 PM

That how it was done in Washington state governors race.

grapeknutz on November 6, 2008 at 2:03 PM