A GOP party leader for the future
posted at 1:30 pm on November 5, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Jeff Flake has long been a voice in the Republican wilderness, opposing profligate spending and big-government “conservatism”. Now that the entire GOP has been put into the wilderness, Flake takes to the pages of the Washington Post for a well-deserved round of I Told You So. More to the point, Flake draws the map for Republicans to return from their largely self-imposed exile from power:
Much of the backroom maneuvering and media speculation in the coming weeks will focus on identifying new standard-bearers for the party. This is important, and after a second straight drubbing, the House Republican leadership should be replaced. But the far more critical task is determining what standard these new leaders will bear.
I suggest that we return to first principles. At the top of that list has to be a recommitment to limited government. After eight years of profligate spending and soaring deficits, voters can be forgiven for not knowing that limited government has long been the first article of faith for Republicans.
Of course, it’s not the level of spending that gets the most attention; it’s the manner in which the spending is allocated. The proliferation of earmarks is largely a product of the Gingrich-DeLay years, and it’s no surprise that some of the most ardent practitioners were earmarked by the voters for retirement yesterday. Few Americans will take seriously Republican speeches on limited government if we Republicans can’t wean ourselves from this insidious practice. But if we can go clean, it will offer a stark contrast to the Democrats, who, after two years in training, already have their own earmark favor factory running at full tilt.
Second, we need to recommit to our belief in economic freedom. Adam Smith’s “The Wealth of Nations” may be on the discount rack this year, but the free market is still the most efficient means to allocate capital and human resources in an economy, and Americans know it. Now that we’ve inserted government deeply into the private sector by bailing out banks and businesses, the temptation will be for government to overstay its welcome and force the distribution of resources to serve political ends. Substituting political for economic incentives is not the recipe for economic recovery.
The failure of the Republicans did not start with the George Bush presidency, and Flake nails this point. It started with Congressional leadership, which took a wrong turn almost immediately after gaining majorities in both chambers. Instead of committing to limited government and sacrificing some measure of power for substantial change in the direction of the federal government, the GOP leadership launched the K Street Project and allied itself with the very lobbyists that feast off of bloated government.
While Clinton was President, the Republican Congress could still talk “limited government” while playing footsie with lobbyists by serving up the pork. Once Bush and his “compassionate conservatism” took over the White House, these Republican leaders showed themselves as nothing more than big-government enablers with only a different set of winners to pick among lobbyists. They ceased being anything other than Democrats with Different Friends. Small wonder that no one buys the “limited government” argument any longer.
Maybe after losing two successive electoral cycles, people will finally start listening to Flake. He has exactly the right prescription for the affliction Republicans have given themselves — a focus on fiscal conservatism and limited government, and an adamant opposition to spoils politics. If the GOP is to ever regain credibility with voters as a positive force for real change, then they have to show commitment to principle over power, a fatal failure of the last Republican majority.
Over the next few weeks, we will be discussing where the future of conservatism lies. I’d argue that Jeff Flake represents the best of it and should be considered one of the visionaries of the movement, if we’d just get more Republicans in office to listen to him.
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Amen to that.
AubieJon on November 5, 2008 at 2:20 PM
AubieJon,
Spoken like a TRUE conservative!!
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Me too Orr. Where you at? Unionville here.
SlimyBill on November 5, 2008 at 2:20 PM
Flake, McCotter, Shadegg, Bachmann, Pence (not necessarily in that order) — the first team.
I live in Minnesota and like Bachmann, but she’s not part of the first team. The others, yes, absolutely.
Watch the new guy we’re sending to Washington, Erik Paulsen. You’ll like him, too.
Mr. D on November 5, 2008 at 2:21 PM
Depends upon what the definition of “conservative” is.
SlimyBill on November 5, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Well, being Republican limp wristed ladies in lace panties unable to defend ourselves, we had better have candidates with pretty names. Imagine US trying to elect a “something-Hussein-something”! Vapors!
Marcus on November 5, 2008 at 2:22 PM
With a third party.
Benaiah on November 5, 2008 at 2:22 PM
Illegal immigration is a key issue. As long they get free stuff they will vote dem. Inhofe and Duncan
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 2:24 PM
Keep an eye on Jason Chaffetz, UT-03.
SaintGeorgeGentile on November 5, 2008 at 2:25 PM
More importantly, we don’t have a religious litmus test in this country. Otherwise the multi-racial product of an Islamic father and and a skanky Christian would never have been given the Presidency despite the fact he is a terrorist-loving socialist who attends a racist church with an open hostility against whites.
highhopes on November 5, 2008 at 2:25 PM
It isn’t “Flayke.” It’s “Flahh-kay.”
:)
JohnTant on November 5, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Newt’s next book better not be a tome on leadership.
whitetop on November 5, 2008 at 2:26 PM
Well guys, I’m out. It was fun while it lasted, but I’ll be deleting my political newsfeeds, bookmarks to news sites and locking out Fox news and the rest of the crap networks. I shall now submerge myself in playing MMO games like Stargates World for the next 4 years and remain blissfully ignorant of whats happening in the world.
God bless you all.
Lincoln on November 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Call of Duty 4 is pretty good, too, dude.
SlimyBill on November 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Jindal is the future along with Palin.IMO
Fuquay Steve on November 5, 2008 at 2:28 PM
Republicans and Conservatives remove Representatives and Senators because of earmarks.
Democarats and Liberals elect Representatives and Senators for earmarks.
Helloyawl on November 5, 2008 at 2:29 PM
She beat expectations, I wouldn’t go as far as you did there. She did well on the stylistic rhetorical parts, but she couldn’t elaborate on any policy. Take Obama for example, he was quite good on the stylistic rhetorical parts, but he also elaborated policy in an easy to understand manner, his 95% and $250,000 dollar figures added into his tax argument paralyzed McCain attempts to pigeonhole him. That’s what we need, someone who can explain policy, with facts, figures, and principles that are easy for the masses to digest. Palin does not act smart enough for that, she just throws out chum to the talk radio crowd and that didn’t and won’t win anything.
LevStrauss on November 5, 2008 at 2:30 PM
The Republican Party needs two things to win.
We must win the suburbs and the cities. This is the future and it must be done with boots on the ground. TV ads won’t make it happen. We must win at the precinct level. Freedom always sells. Let’s sell it.
We must have an environmental policy that is easily understandable. Drill here drill now is not going to work. How about reestablish the Coast Redwoods in California and the bison in the plains. Rehabilitate wild lands to what Native Americans would have seen. Stop saving the tree and save the forest.
Give people a vision and a goal to work for and you will win.
MHatch on November 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM
I’m atheist, and, quite frankly, don’t really care to distinguish between the largely equivalent mythos believed by my allies in the fight against communism and immorality.
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM
The GOP would do well to listen to the likes of Jeff Flake, as well as Jindal and Palin. If they don’t, they are stupider and more entrenched than I thought.
Shirley on November 5, 2008 at 2:31 PM
So we need someone can basically smoothly tell lies? Don’t sit to well with the way I was raised.
thomasaur on November 5, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Hun?
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 2:33 PM
Slimybill,
I’m in Honey Brook. Gerlach is actually my congressman, but he’s too soft on ANWR for me to see him as a topliner. I’ve known Joe for a long time (though we’ve not conversed in years) and he’s always been a straight shooter.
either orr on November 5, 2008 at 2:37 PM
I thought he looked like someone else.
Tzetzes on November 5, 2008 at 2:37 PM
I disagree on “purges”. We don’t need purges. What we need is the message that appeals to a largest group of people possible. I don’t mean the McCain multiple fragmented messages either.
As someone already noted, that message has got to be one simple one that frames all the others: big government and huge spending deficits are bad.
However, as flake noted, it’s not going to be easy to sell people on a message that failed to exist unless you have people who actually practice what they preach. they will have to be comparative paragons with a proven track record. that means we need to look at governors like Jindal and maybe even Palin or some others (Crist?). Somewhere in a state that actually lives by it and thrives.
It will be in the south, by the way, because that is the most reliably conservative and it is in the south where NAFTA, etc has had the most favorable economic impact.
Alaska, maybe, if Palin keeps it on track. Which, I believe she will because, no matter what, the energy conundrum is still in play. And, while oil drilling offshore and on ANWR will be out of the ballpark (expect presidential decree again), there is still a ton of natural gas that will be required in this new era of energy change. And, natural gas prices just halved in the last month. That is good because it becomes the cheapest way to fuel turbines producing electricity. So, Alaska is uniquely positioned to take advantage one way or the other.
Second, someone else noted, is going to be organization and third is going to be money. I suggest that we think in terms of Mao and go guerrilla. What that means is that you have to start at the bottom. Small groups in small areas. How to apply the political message to actual citizens, towns, etc.
finally, Barry O just blew the public financing out of the water which means the next candidate can only get elected if there are some huge backers willing to front the money and that people feel moved enough to contribute on the small scale.
In which case, you will have to see what the Democrats are going to do in the next few years to find the “wedge issues” to go along with the message.
I will close in saying this: Barry O just won running a dirty campaign and by passing every traditional concept of American electoral financing and probably some electoral fraud. McCain tried to run a clean campaign imagining that there is something higher to American politics than dirt.
Wrong. I’m not suggesting electoral fraud, but I am suggesting that we have four years to put together a war chest. Four years where we had better find the state’s with the most business friendly atmosphere where businesses want more of that.
Let me suggest, again, that “purges” are not the way. Plus, I imagine that any RINOS now know that they can’t win without the rest of the Republican party, regardless of how many crossovers you get. Hopefully, they see this as being dually chastised and not determined that the idea is that the conservative base held them down.
Kat_Mo on November 5, 2008 at 2:38 PM
MHatch +1000000000
We did not do that this time at the top. That’s for damned sure.
either orr on November 5, 2008 at 2:39 PM
Yeah, he’s my Congressman here in the last American Republic – Texas. We need to rebuild around people like him and Palin.
JonPrichard on November 5, 2008 at 2:40 PM
I agree 100%.
Jeff Flake knows exactly what he’s talking about.
SueM on November 5, 2008 at 2:42 PM
You I like.
Kat_Mo on November 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM
Michael Steele
Michael Steele
Michael Steele
madmonkphotog on November 5, 2008 at 2:45 PM
May I suggest that all remaining republicans take a no-earmark pledge?
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 2:46 PM
Very good piece by Mr. Flake on something that should be blindingly obvious. Recent history goes to show the ease with which people can compromise thier principles and seek the path of least resistance. Easy temptation.
This has been argued as the bane of a democratic union since the foundation of our country-the fact that people can vote themselves gifts from the treasury and republicans have been complicit for quite some time in this perversion of values and the people in sending them back to Washington.
We often talk about how liberals are duplicitous and decietful but how can we when we know damn well they want to grow government and perpetuate the ‘Nanny state’ all the while we say we are opposed….and yet….here we are.
People have said over the last few days things to the effect they do not want to see a ‘rebranding’ of the GOP in reference to a move to the center but aren’t we already there? How about a rebranding and moving back to the right?
Texas74 on November 5, 2008 at 2:47 PM
Right on Grue. Flake is my Rep in AZ. He has a “pork” website: http://www.porkparade.com.
I’ve been wondering about him since I contacted him on the bailout and wondering if he might run for Senate when (if) McCain retires (maybe feet first). Not sure what his career path might look like.
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 2:49 PM
You know something is wrong when Iowa, North Carolina and Virginia votes for a Marxist. Conservatives have been sounding the warning to the RINOs for years, but they continue to act like Democrats.
I was happy to see a Democrat replace Ric Keller in my district. Keller, who began as a conservative, was just another McCain/Graham/Hagel/Spector in the end. It’s amusing that Joe Leiberman is more conservative than any of them.
Our next conservative leader will have to be someone who can articulate conservative principles in a way (Reagan’s way) that the MSM can’t spin. I agree with some here who believes that it will be Bobby Jindal.
orlandocajun on November 5, 2008 at 2:49 PM
Flake is the real deal who has attacked the wasteful spenders on both sides. Ed is right.
koolbrease on November 5, 2008 at 2:50 PM
Fixed it!
CableDude on November 5, 2008 at 2:51 PM
I like Jeff Flake’s view of the way forward. Compare it with D. Frum’s post.
Frum seems to the think the only plausible option is to become Ds but call ourselves conservatives.
BadDogMN on November 5, 2008 at 2:55 PM
<blockquoteMaybe after losing two successive electoral cycles, people will finally start listening to Flake. >
That’s the trouble. The current GOP leadership listens to the likes of John McCain, Lindsey Grahamn, Mel Martinez, et. al.
They think all they need to do is move further left.
tre on November 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM
He’s a Mormon. Plus / minus / wash?
Romney/Flake 2012?
/just sayin’
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 2:57 PM
Paleocons are the only Conservatives, a neo by any other name, is just as bitter.
Speakup on November 5, 2008 at 2:58 PM
Here! Here!
::raps floor with cane John Adams-style::
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM
Jeff Flake…
Yes! Yes! **Arm-pumping** Yes!
Flake is my guy, and I couldn’t be prouder of him. He is a present-day Goldwater, and yes: He gets it. Further: Yes–he is a Mormon. So what? These religious tests that some put up are demeaning. I have fundamental theological differences with the LDS faith, but as someone who lives in a city more Mormon than Salt Lake City, I will tell you that they are good, decent people. I fully admire their commitment to missioning their faith, and count many Mormons as my friends. FWIW, the Flake name is an old Arizona name. His uncle, Jake Flake, (who recently passed away), was a long-term Arizona legislator, and Snowflake, Arizona is partially named after his family.
A small anecdote to demonstrate how Flake gets the small government thingi…
A couple of years ago, both parties went on a rampage to begin a Do Not Call registry to keep businesses or politicians from interrupting the dinner hour (or whatever the reasoning was). Not Flake. He knew that it is not the function of government to keep someone from ringing your phone any more than we want the .gov limiting the kind and amount of mail we can receive in our mailbox. If you don’t want to talk to someone during dinnertime: Don’t answer the phone. Take it off the hook. Or better yet, spend 20 minutes with the cold-caller, and then tell him you’re not buying anything or voting for anybody they represent–waste their time. Flake knows that to believe in a small government means that we don’t need to hire bureaucrats in the FCC to monitor and maintain some gigantic list of people who don’t want their phone to ring.
This country would be a far, far better place with 300 legislators like Flake.
azlibertarian on November 5, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Jeff Flake, Thad McCotter, John Shadegg, Mike Pence, and Bobby Jindal should be the future of our party.
Daft Punk on November 5, 2008 at 3:01 PM
Meanwhile, my car needs to run on something, and there’s not enough used restaurant vegatable oil to go around.
manwithblackhat on November 5, 2008 at 3:04 PM
I hate to say it but it is going to really require everyone that believes in limited government, free market and liberty to suck it up big time because while Obama had the media firmly behind him and the Financial Crisis (Barney Bomb) rocket him into the White House, he will be running as an incumbant in four years. The machine will be that much more powerful and the way things are going….
Let me put it this way, knowing what we know about Obama’s platform, his policy proposals, etc. – then knowing that he clobbered McCain, its oging to be an uphill fight running for congressional seats on the basis of no earmarks, no pork. Err…they wouldn’t do it if it didn’t work-they wouldn’t buy votes if there wasn’t a market for it.
I have absolute faith in the conservative philosophy. This election has shaken my faith in people to share my faith :(
Texas74 on November 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Did I say “vegatable,” dammit, I meant “vegetable.”
manwithblackhat on November 5, 2008 at 3:05 PM
Flake sucks on immigration.
angelat0763 on November 5, 2008 at 3:07 PM
CableDude on November 5, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Count to 10 on November 5, 2008 at 2:33 PM
What? The 250K and 95% argument beat McCain’s argument on the tax issue. Contains proposed facts, figures, and it is easy to digest. The tax issue could have helped McCain squeak out a win, but he floundered and Palin didn’t gain any ground herself, regardless of what some of you want to believe. This party is tone deaf and the inability of some of you to understand the reasons McCain lost makes me think I should convert my tent in the wilderness into something more permanent like a cabin.
LevStrauss on November 5, 2008 at 3:08 PM
I liked that Congressman Ryan from last night. I heard the passion in his voice.
p0s3r on November 5, 2008 at 3:09 PM
Did not mean to demean Jeff. He is my district rep. I have many LDS friends myself. I just mentioned it as a weird scenario of Romney/Flake ticket that would raise some eyebrows.
Jake Flake? Now that’s a goodie! ;-)
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 3:10 PM
Aye, Paul Ryan seems to have a clear vision for the GOP. Here is his “Roadmap for America’s Future”
Daft Punk on November 5, 2008 at 3:11 PM
I don’t understand these calls for 100 percent ideological purity, purges, etc. If I didn’t know better I’d wonder whose interests were really being advanced by such comments.
I think in 2-4 years people will be eager for actual pragmatism and intelligent discussions of policy, built around objective performance data. Say what you will about the Contract for America, it had specifics.
DrSteve on November 5, 2008 at 3:11 PM
Down the road, that may not matter…
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 3:12 PM
I think it’s just decompression.
Mr_Magoo on November 5, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Another, somewhat selfish thought….
Here in AZ, I’m thinking two things are about to happen: McCain won’t run for re-election to the Senate. He’s old, he’s just taken a drubbing, and why shouldn’t he retire to Sedona with Cindy for his last years on this earth?
The other thing is that I expect The Marxist Obama will select our Janet-Reno-Mini-Me Governor, Janet Napolitano, for some cabinet office.
Flake would fit well into either position, and frankly, I don’t know which I would rather have him in. For Gawd’s Sake, we need him on the national stage, but I also think that former Governors make for better Presidents.
azlibertarian on November 5, 2008 at 3:16 PM
Palin’s not an idiot, you fool. She’s running a state, is doing so very successfully, and is exceptionally popular with the voters there. We’re all sorry if she wouldn’t fit in with your brie and wine Republican friends.
Here we see a major problem in the party, as the elites like LevStrauss here consider everyone who’s not an Ivy League grad to be an idiot and a Jesusfreak.
In terms of what will help going forward, I don’t think hunting or going to church should force your exile from the party.
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 3:17 PM
McCain got his pee-pee slapped last night. I believe the fall out will continue. We don’t want this psuedo bullshit anymore. It is time for a change. A real change. MAN, I HATE THAT WORD!
HornetSting on November 5, 2008 at 3:17 PM
Adam Smith was for economic regulation. The GOP is against it. That’s part of the problem, like the deregulation of the financial industry that blew up in the GOP’s face in September and October.
I’d like to see the GOP come out in favor of regulation. Let’s face it, though, that won’t happen. The GOP will remain anti-Adam Smith. The GOP is dead, and Jeff Flake is not the answer.
indythinker on November 5, 2008 at 3:20 PM
There was an article a week or so ago mentioning Fred for RNC chair. I could get with that.
Texas74 on November 5, 2008 at 3:22 PM
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 3:17 PM
So according to you if you can name more than one Supreme Court case you are a Brie and Wine Republican.
If you can state one newspaper or magazine that you read you are a Brie and Wine Republican.
If you want politicians to discuss specifics you are a Brie and Wine Republican.
Seriously, we are losing the youth and doing horrible with college educated voters. Of course they are giving away degrees like welfare cheese these days so that doesn’t mean these people are elites by any means, it just means our common denominator is too damn low and Sarah is a big offender.
LevStrauss on November 5, 2008 at 3:24 PM
What the K Street project should have been was the creation of coalition of groups whose natural interest lay with the Republican Party. What it became was an excuse for Republicans to hand out money and favors like Democrats, but to a far smaller base and (thank God) with fewer people to sell their votes for the favors.
njcommuter on November 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM
So, if we have two parties in favor of government regulation and control, what exactly separates us from each other?
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 3:26 PM
I’m not saying that I agree with those that stayed home.
I supported John McCain. My research of him told me that above all else. He is a man of his word. He would have stood by those conservative promises regardless of whether that was his personal belief or not.
I’m just saying that is what happened. 20 million votes went somewhere…
CableDude on November 5, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Amazing how she can be a successful governor of a state yet be unable to read, write or put pants on in the morning, don’t you think?
Your elitism makes you a Brie and Wine Republican.
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 3:29 PM
Oops sorry. Replied to the wrong post. :)
CableDude on November 5, 2008 at 3:30 PM
Dude,
It was turning it into a a joke. Henny Youngman. “Take my wife..please”
CableDude on November 5, 2008 at 3:34 PM
In all the years I have voted for so-called conservatives, hoping they would really be conservative, I only got lucky twice – Reagan and Palin!
Done That on November 5, 2008 at 3:39 PM
Cantor
Hunter
Jindal
Steele.
reshas1 on November 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Um, aren’t you the elitist for assuming that she’s *allegedly* incapable of doing these tasks because she is from Alaska?
dglenn on November 5, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Huh? What’s this “conservative” thing? I think my dad said something about conservatives, but I haven’t seen one in ages. I thought they had all gone the way of the Dodo bird.
That’s one reason Sarah Palin was such a shock to the system. Her instincts are conservative. That’s why Joe the Plubmer got so much play. The idea that giving money away to people who didn’t earn it was WRONG, seemed pretty foreign to the campaigns we’ve seen from moderate Rs.
Just to get the facts straight. When Democrats run to the right, they win. When Republicans run to the Left, they lose. I think there’s a pretty simple lesson in there. Obama’s background, and vote history SCREAM radical. But in front of an audience, he dons the cloak of an “American Values” supporter. McCain was all “let’s reach across the aisle. Let’s help one another.”
Another way to see the same lesson. The House GOP, long decried as the most immoderate of us, were the only ones to agree with the American people on the $700B bailout. Everyone else might’ve made a great show of hand-wringing, but they still pushed the House GOP to sign that check.
hawksruleva on November 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Who is Jeff Flake?
newton on November 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM
reshas1: I say we start sending them money now. I would leave work THIS INSTANT to start building an organization for any of these four. Heck – I think they should run together for 2 years, and the we can pick the best one then.
hawksruleva on November 5, 2008 at 3:49 PM
No, you’re misreading.
I’m suggesting that her attackers see her as a country bumpkin, unable to think her way out of a paper bag. Please see LevStrauss’ reference above to her “crayon doodles”.
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 PM
MHatch: I think we need to look at our electoral map, too. The Dems start with a really big lead in Cal. and NY. We need someone who can win votes in California, whose voters have repeatedly proven to have moments of sanity.
And yes, I think a REAL conservative could win in CA or NY.
hawksruleva on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Stevens just got re-elected in that state and so did Young. All you need R by your name and a pulse. She’s just like those bums you see on the MSM, they can read their prepared material just fine, but once it is not prepared it gets very awkward.
Yeah how’d Reagan do with cutting spending and eliminating the debt?
LevStrauss on November 5, 2008 at 3:52 PM
add John Shaddeg to the list. he is so sick of pork he nearly refused to run for re-election. but he got back in when he realized his seat would go to a Dem, and won handily despite beign smeared and outspent.
he’s a fiscal conservative, believes in smaller government and is strong on defense. this is the trinity of the conservative movement that the last 10 years of Republican leadership has forgotten or ignored.
DrW on November 5, 2008 at 3:59 PM
btw, i voted for Jeff Flake when he first ran for Congress. he gave me my tix to the first inauguration of GWBush. later, redistricting took me out of his district, but he is a solid guy from a sold, mormon, family. his uncle jake recently passed away, and was a legend in N. Az politics.
DrW on November 5, 2008 at 4:01 PM
best news to come out of this election.. Manet, er I mean Janet Napolitano, our AZ governess and big government spending machine will almost certainly be tabbed by The One to be his AG or head up Homeland Secuirity.
unless she decides to stick around for the last two years of her term and oppose McCain for his Senate seat in 2010, we’ll have Jan Brewer, the Republican Sec. of State, ascend to the Governors office when Manet, er Janet, leaves for Mount Olympus aka, the Obama Administration.
DrW on November 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM
You know, you’re right. Maybe, because they’re all stoopids up there, the Republican party should just show them we’re smarter and not accept their votes in 2012. That’ll show them!
Really, Stevens has to do with Palin… how?
You’re missing Palin’s pull, LevStrauss, and it’s the reason I’ve called you an elitist. Her pull is that she’s NORMAL. To you, it may appear that she’s only capable of writing with crayons, to the rest of us, she’s normal. When we see her, we don’t see Lott, or Gingich, or Bush. We see someone like us, who has the same issues and problems, and who can better represent us in Washington.
I’m tired of being MISrepresented by the East-coast, liberal elite Republicans, who are really not much different than the East-coast, liberal elite Democrats.
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 4:05 PM
uh hmmm…JIM DEMINT people!
MechEng5by5 on November 5, 2008 at 4:11 PM
When I looked at the Dem primarys, I saw candidates that were from every background: Hispanic, White woman, Black man, Pretty white boy etc.. I looked at the Rep. candidates and they were all white men. I think that is what made Palin so exciting for me. I was so proud to have a conservative, smart woman out there representing the right. I felt like we broke a stereotype. That’s what we need more of for our party. Strong conservatives from diverse backgrounds.
DJ from MA on November 5, 2008 at 4:15 PM
damn well said monkey. we did our part in Az and in the South. It’s the darn yankee liberal elite repubs who don’t seem to get it in our party. i voted NO on every single spending initiative on the Az ballot yesterday and will continue to do so until my government comes to the realization that we don’t need to spend taxpayer money studying the mating patterns of polar bears, subsidizing crops, bribing Egypt or Saudi Arabia to be our ‘friends’ and failing to enfore our immigration laws.
DrW on November 5, 2008 at 4:16 PM
Yeah how’d you do with your lobotomy? If I remember correctly Reagan didn’t have the luxury of a Republican controlled House and Senate like Bush.
MechEng5by5 on November 5, 2008 at 4:17 PM
And what would you have done with a decimated military. Our Navy alone was in shambles, we couldn’t even get a few helicopters across the desert without breaking down to rescue our people held captive.
Better hit the history books…you get an F today.
right2bright on November 5, 2008 at 4:25 PM
No disagreement here, and when we do put an anti-establishment candidate, she gets skewered.
right2bright on November 5, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Way to go Arizona. You guys rock. No Republicans worth voting for here in Illinois. We are a dying breed. Keep your stable healthy, ours is gone.
Angry Dumbo on November 5, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Why don’t they get it?
How much easier would these elections be if it were actually possible to point to a difference between the two parties? If we’re going to have one big government party, gee, maybe the other party can focus on being, oh, I don’t know… maybe… A SMALL GOVERNMENT PARTY?
Instead, the eltites on both sides feel they know what’s best for us crayon-doodlers in the middle. And the solutions are always about government, because they know better than us.
That’s the problem. That’s what we need to fix.
12thMonkey on November 5, 2008 at 4:29 PM
At this point, stopping immigration, legal and illegal, is the only way to save the GOP. Of course, the opposite of that is about to occur.
indythinker on November 5, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I think we need to get rid og the old guard conservative commentators as well. They preach doom and gloom.
tomas on November 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM
I have the duty of keepin Congressman Sheddag as he is my congressman. to the west is Congressman Flake- I am rejoiced to learn of their election results. We also re elect sherriff Joe.
AZ is on guard here.
hawkman on November 5, 2008 at 4:34 PM
De-regulation and free markets are great, but what got us in trouble was Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
A private bank can make loans with its own money, but accepts the risk for those who cannot repay, so they establish criteria for approving loans, usually a maximum payment / income ratio. In effect, they regulate themselves.
If a Government agency is set up to be the “lender of last resort” with taxpayer money at risk, then the Government has the right to regulate it.
The problem with Fannie and Freddie was that they had a Government guarantee in case of default, but the profit incentive on the upside with no downside risk. This is the worst possible recipe for reckless behavior. Then Democrats (in 1999) forced them to make risky loans–and McCain and Republicans tried to limit that practice. Both policies constitute “regulation”, but there’s a difference between responsible regulation (as a private bank would do) and irresponsible regulation, forcing a bank to make risky loans.
Obama went out and blamed the crisis on Republican “deregulation”, which wasn’t accurate, but he was never called on it.
As for Flake and other true conservatives, we need to adopt the triple agenda of Ronald Reagan–low taxes/low spending, social conservatism (pro-life/pro-family), and strength in national security and foreign policy. President Bush and the 2005-06 Congress went off the rails on spending, and Bush mis-handled the war in Iraq in 2005-06.
We need to better articulate the low-tax policy on corporations–it’s NOT to reward the “rich oil companies”, but low corporate taxes on multi-national companies incite them to invest HERE and create American jobs, and prevent American jobs from going overseas. Taxing corporations more destroys jobs and handouts to the poor makes everyone poorer. Republicans dragged Bill Clinton kicking and screaming into signing welfare reform–Obama wants to undo that under the guise of “tax cut”.
We also need to find some way of winning urban voters, who seem to think Democrats are better for them, even though their lot hasn’t improved under Democrats. Use the Giuliani model for New York, to cut crime and encourage bussinesses to come into cities. How many states do we lose in Presidential and Senate elections because our leads in 50 rural counties are wiped out by 80% Democrat votes in one big city? We need to get Giuliani-like mayors elected in big cities, then let them run for the Senate after they clean up their city.
Steve Z on November 5, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Not so fast Indaythinker. We passed an employer sanctions law here is AZ two years ago that has teeth. The attempt to get that law yesterday via a referendum dubbed ‘employer amnesty’ went down to defeat. Estimates are that tens of thousands of illegals have abandoned AZ for parts unknown in the past 18 months. Sherrif Joe just raided Mesa City Hall in the middle of the night and arrested the entire cleaning crew. City of Mesa knew their subcontractor was hiring illegals and did nothing to stop it. Joe did!
DrW on November 5, 2008 at 4:39 PM
Add Eric Cantor to the mix. He shoudl be a big part in the future of this party.
c17wife on November 5, 2008 at 4:41 PM
The GOP has one chance at recovery, RETURN TO CONSERVATISM! The GOP hasn’t nominated a Conservative since Reagan and have gotten spanked for it. The GOP has lost it’s spine and has been run by centrists and idiots who don’t seem to realize they are running against people that will do ANYTHING to gain power and keep it. G.W. Bush has proved this time after time by including Leftists that would stab him in the back and ride the knife down.
There are REAL Conservatives left in the GOP, people like Jeff Sessions, Bobby Jindal, Sarah Palin and Michael Steele and those people should form the core of the party.
Also idiots like Ron Paul should be turned out of the party to spew their idiocy elsewhere.
I knew the GOP was doomed when actual conservatives were banned from debating in the primaries but no one would listen…THEY HAD BETTER LISTEN NOW! John McCain rode the backs of Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber and would have lost by a far larger margin if not for them!
nelsonknows on November 5, 2008 at 4:47 PM
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