Round two: PA, FL, MO; Update: NBC calls Pennsylvania for Obama; Update: Fox too
posted at 8:00 pm on November 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
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No calls yet in round one as I write this. Florida and Missouri won’t be called until late, either, but if The One’s exit poll margin in Pennsylvania really is 15 points, there’s at least a chance it could go early and puncture Maverick’s balloon.
New general election updates will appear in this thread, but I’ll update the last one with results from those states as they come in.
Update: Bright and early as the clock strikes eight, NBC calls Pennsylvania for The One. Start drinking.
Update: Here’s my map from the predictions thread the other day. To get to a McCain victory, you had to flip 50 electoral votes from blue to red. Try doing it without Pennsylvania.
Update: Steve Kornacki does the math. Barring any very surprising upsets, Obama’s already banked 259 EVs. All he needs is one red state from 2004 worth 11 EVs to turn blue and he’s pretty much set.
Update: ABC also says Obama takes Pennsylvania. And, to add insult to injury, New Hampshire.
Update: Exit poll data from Florida per Marc Ambinder has Obama, amazingly, winning Hispanics by 10 points.
Update: Fox News says Obama wins Pennsylvania, too. And according to the CNN map, with 36 percent reporting, he leads in Florida by more than 200,000 votes.
Update: A McCain aide acknowledges to Ambinder that they need a miracle.
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don’t drink the koolaid
this is to discourage 9pm closing states
votes are already in, dont’ believe the projections yet
audiotom on November 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM
Maybe Mac won and they can’t bring themselves to call it. :)
abinitioadinfinitum on November 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM
From Foxnews Macain is questioning the early call in PA. It is too early to call.
ScottieOSU2000 on November 4, 2008 at 8:46 PM
It’s still all about VA, OH and especially Florida
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/morris_florida/2008/11/04/147721.html
econavenger on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
if Fox is calling PA based on the O camp talking points and exit polls and 1% reports, this IS going to be a long night. never thought they’d be drinking the kool-aid too. Will be awaiting their retraction. PA will go red.
conservative pilgrim on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Isn’t it sad that I’m ROOTING for 41 seats? We’re pathetic this year.
malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
For those looking for some hope tonight, check out this analysis by Sean Malstrom:
I’m going to cross my fingers and have another beer.
msyb on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
early call for PA will suppress R’s in CO, NV and NM. So they are foregone conclusions.
lorien1973 on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
clemycali:
I don’t know, I know some Democrats who voted for McCain just because they thought Obama was a radical and out to destroy the party. The question is how many new people took their place?
Terrye on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
No. Virginia will go red. If not, God will strike me down (I hope).
Achilles on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
WHERE ARE ALL THE PROTESTS OF DISENFRANCHISEMENT that usually have stacked up by now…HHHMMmm?????
seejanemom on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I am in FL and wondering how in the hell can Mahoney be close to Rooney? Hello!! Cheated on his wife and tried to lie about it and people still like him? Oh, wait…..
Babino on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
As a Mccain voting Democrat I pray, pray pray that the Republicans do not pull a Gore and give up the election until ALL the votes are counter, including absentees, overseas votes, military votes, EVERYTHING.
Do not let him concede the election if it’s even vaguely close. Please.
I can foresee Obama running out and giving a premature victory speech and Mccain trying to be the nice guy about it.
Obamalama Deprogrammer on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
I know, WTF? Holding on by a thread to what little sanity is left. Feel panic rising. This awful.
NightmareOnKStreet on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Heres the vid on my favorite Bill Murray speech:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY
(LOL, I love him.)
ErinF on November 4, 2008 at 8:47 PM
Well, we Pennsylvanians tried, but failed. Only 51% of white Pennsylvania Catholics went for McCain. Shame on the Catholic church.
jay12 on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
And get what it doesn’t deserve; other people’s money.
Laura in Maryland on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
VA is TCTC
PA is TCTC
NC is TCTC
ALL 50 STATES ARE TCTC
SCREW THE EXIT POLLS ‘08!
malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Actually, I had Fox News on and I didn’t hear them say that.
CanadianGuy on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Stupid and socialist. Great. Better learn to sleep light or breathe through a pillow – your children’s lives will be garbage, and they’ll blame Obama on you.
Jaibones on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
audiotom –
i’m with ya!
conservative pilgrim on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
What’s the over/under on shooting/stabbings at The One’s party tonight? (win or lose)
Sugar Land on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Amazingly, the Canadian tracking site seems to be going on returns only, not exit polls:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/usvotes/interactive-elex-results.html
RedNewEnglander on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Don’t you see the numbers? How can you be so calm? My heart is already broken. No Martini in the world is going to make me feel better. And I hoped and I prayed and I had faith.
clemycali on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Keep watching the Florida returns. As more of the late closing Panhandle precincts report, McCain’s numbers are slowly creeping upwards.
Mac will win Florida.
And I won’t believe PA until I see a distinct majority of counties reporting either.
Stupid exit polls. Stupid media hacks.
Kirin on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Sorry. It won’t happen again. ;)
Vic on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Abortion isn’t the vote getter it used to be. Social cons haven’t realized this.
lorien1973 on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
They sceduled the riots later tonight.
abinitioadinfinitum on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Mac’s winning the pop vote!
Tony737 on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
This ISN”T about Pa. …. It just hit me… The lamestream media is trying to get the mccain supporters in the great lakes states to stay home. If they can do that, it doesn’t matter if they totally blow the call in PA.
bullseye on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
I’m officially worried.
jewells45 on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Ye of such little faith.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
MCain is closing in Fla. Penn has only counted 1% reporting. I still don’t buy the penn thing!
katy on November 4, 2008 at 8:49 PM
They’d only call it if they thought Obama was going to win it. If it looks like McCain might win it they’ll call it a week next Thursday.
aengus on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Zing!
I, for one, welcome our new socialist overlords.
lorien1973 on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
At least Megyn Kelly is on Fox.
huckleberryfriend on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Anyone have any Murtha or Franken info? Fox tracker is crap. I added them to my list and they don’t show up.
Mr_Magoo on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Still have a way to go, folks.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Well, the attractive people said something in front of a flashy screen. As enumerated in the Constitution.
Jim Treacher on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Wake the eff up, people. WE ARE SCREWED. (Tool is playing now).
Karen_VA on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
Zero – 103
Hero – 63
Tony737 on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
ManlyRash = Baghdad Bob.
haner on November 4, 2008 at 8:50 PM
fla mccain going up
missouri early mccain
keep the faith
audiotom on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
holy chit saw that McCain is ahead in MI with 2% of the vote in
tee866 on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I say that PA gets what they deserve, let’m eat coal
krc-alabama on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Seems we have some short memories here, Fox bought into the exit polls in ‘04 too. Their call for PA isn’t any more reliable than NBCs.
clearbluesky on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Go straight to the source for Florida numbers – CNN is lagging by at least 10 minutes:
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
DOS shows a tie at this point, with most of the panhandle out – that is good news for FL.
Professor_Chaos on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
McCain up a little bit in Michigan. Hopefully he wins there.
SoulGlo on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Dole just had another 4pts swing race now 54-43
unseen on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Uncle_Aina is smelly troll. Please ignore it, or , if you can catch it, beat it to a bloody pulp. By whatever means necessary.
Fortunata on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I should start my own farking blog, Jim.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Probably the most accurate ad for Obama’s party in Chicago…
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/archives2/images/Leader2.jpg
Wineaholic on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I did 150 houses door to door in two days along with hundreds of calls. I did my part here in PA. And don’t blame the Catholic Church! Blame the “catholics” that claim to be Catholics, but don’t respect the values of the Catholic Church (including life).
SorosCo has already announced that all voter suppression efforts will be kept on the D.L. You keep running your mouth and the Obama Truth Squad will be knocking on your door.
malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I am *&%^$!! sick and tired of the $#%%#%# media projecting winners before all the votes are counted. Will these a-holes ever learn?
gxpgxp on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I still hope McCain wins, but I have seen lots of elections and guess what, you can not win them all. But I really wanted to see this particular Democrat lose.
Terrye on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
Is there some miracle that you can pull out of your hat??
Karen_VA on November 4, 2008 at 8:51 PM
I’m hoping VA comes out for McCain. Otherwise, we should get used to hearing President Obama.
haner on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Hold on, folks….we went over this earlier.
The media is still spinning and manipulating.
The VOTES are what matters.
Let’s wait and see.
Cindy of TX on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
WTF – Pennsylvania is only showing 7 counties as reporting in so far.
Kamikaze on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
PA hurts bad, especially with NH also called for Obama. McCain has to win either NV, CO or NM plus all of Bush’s Red states from 2004 (minus Iowa I believe). NM looks out of reach because of the Hispanic vote going for Obama so heavily (so much for open borders, huh McCain?).
Pray for McCAin, but some good news on the Senate front, saxby Chambliss won his seat and the Dems now must sweep 6 of 6 to get to 60. Mary Landrieu is in trouble so they could lose that one. It is imperative The dems do not reach 60 votes in the Senate.
Daemonocracy on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Although still premature, gloat if you like fascist. I’ll just wait for the huge buyer’s remorse after the first six months of an Obama/Biden/Pelosi/Reid administration. It will happen, it’s just a matter of when.
alwaysright43 on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
even if we keep it to 58 senate seats. still have Spector who will be running against Chris Matthews in 2010 and other RINO’s to side with the dems.
hopefully they’ll be able to filibuster the Fairness Doctrine
jp on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
19
Clinton won Pa in the primary. 19% of her people went for McCain. you do the math. Pa is too close to call. no precints reported yet in western pa
unseen on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Karen -
Keep praying. Trust Him. He does answer prayer. Sometimes, it is just not in the time frame we want or the exact answer we were looking for.
God is in control.
Be calm. Try not to chew on the keyboard. ManlyRash is wise. He said so.
For all those pessimists and Trolls, I think I hear the Koskids and Huf ‘n Puf calling.
It ain’t over til it’s over!
God Bless America!
kingsjester on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Anyone wonder why in all of these exit polls they are not bringing up the black vote? We get all of this info about “white catholics”, “white evangelicals”, “whites with no degrees”, etc. I am curious as to what the black percentages are….95% 97% 99%?
Babino on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Mac’s closing in on the Zero in Fla!
Tony737 on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
Karen:
It does not take a miracle, all it takes is for McCain to do as well as Bush did in 2000. I know how that turned out, but let us remember it has been a long time since we knew we were home free at 9 in the evening.
Terrye on November 4, 2008 at 8:52 PM
You could just do a little guest blogging over there from time to time.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I’m not God. But we still have a way to go. Be calm. Be still.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
ok, maybe I’ll feel stupid for calling this a McCain win, but I still believe, and I DON’T trust the exit polling.
Tired of watching all the calls based on so few (if any precincts) reporting. Time to get a good night’s rest and check the actual vote tallies when I wake up. Hoping for the best, but prepared for the worst. Have fun tonight everyone and keep the faith!
Red State State of Mind on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Fox is saying OH, NC too close to call BUT THE VOTES IN OH & PA ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL. SO WHY CALL PA?
NightmareOnKStreet on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
ABC: African American turnout just 2 points more than 2004!!
haner on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
I just don’t understand how anyone who calls him or herself a Catholic can vote for Obama. ???
WisCon on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
For goodness sakes, remember the comeback Mac has made in his life? Many of them..
Stop being played, relax. PA is not blue until its actually counted. Do you understand that? If you know people in the west, email them, text them, call them and tell them to remain at the polls and to ignore the exit polls from the media.
Stop crying into your milk. It’s quite sickening to read. I came here to get away from FOX and their perpetual nonsense.
SuperBunny on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Aren’t all the Great Lakes states closed already? Maybe I don’t know what a Great Lakes state is?
Jaibones on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
HAS THE MSM EVER CALLED STATES WRONG AND HAD TO RECANT?
Does anybody know?
SaintOlaf on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Check this out from poster on another thread: actual PA vote call. Only .58% is in and they’re calling it?
http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
Deep breath, folks. This ain’t over.
redfoxbluestate on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
You people had better pull yourself together pronto or I’m going to start handing out demerits.
Jim Treacher on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
The abortion issue was never a “vote getter” to right to life believers. If my party gives up the RTL issue, I am no longer a Republican and just a Conservative.
hawkdriver on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Pretty sure that Fox map is officially dead. :/
http://elections.foxnews.com/states_map/index.html
RedNewEnglander on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
+1
wccawa on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
This is a MSM tactic. They did this during the primaries whenever there were two states that voted in order to supress vote in the other state.
DON’T FALL FOR PA BEING CALLED!!!
VOTE!!!
MrX on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
Folks PA is not over!! hang on
katy on November 4, 2008 at 8:53 PM
WPE’s baby WPE’s
unseen on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Obama is the new Pope
econavenger on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
that’s alright Manly you were just trying to get the vote out. at least now i know you didnt know. you just based it on that silly article you saw…
Robb on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Manly, you better keep cheering us on.
shoregulls on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Good news from ABC: African American turnout just 2 points more than 2004!!
haner on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
I wasn’t at all. They left me cold. This year I don’t know. I simply don’t know. It is impossible to gauge what people will do in 2008.
clemycali, aveţi răbdare; plîngem sau rîdem mai tîrziu.
Entelechy on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Sleep well. Hopefully you wake up to some good news.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Fox shows electoral votes:
Obama – 103
Mac – 69
CNN vastly different:
Obama – 102
Mac – 34
WTF is this about?
tru2tx on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Wouldn’t it be funny if they had to take back PA? I don’t see it happening, but it would be a hoot.
Terrye on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
In spite of what the media was saying (surprise!), it was highly unlikely that Saxby would lose his seat down here. This is Boortz country.
Kamikaze on November 4, 2008 at 8:54 PM
Thank you. Was that a general statement, or are they already at your door? You can let me know later at the re-education camp.
Laura in Maryland on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
Previous 2 elections.
lorien1973 on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
ManlyRash =
Baghdad Bob.Manly Rashhaner = d!ckhead
Fixed it for ya, haner. No charge.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
I really, really, like McCain, so I’d like to see him at least have a representative showing tonight. Maybe 291-247.
Mattpat11 on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
RedNewEnglander on November 4, 2008 at 8:48 PM
Yep. McCain is creeping up in Florida and all the other red states … NC is only hold-out.
Both Ohio and PA are 65:35 for BHO but both are only 1% counted and Ohio looks to be starting to slip.
CBC Link again
gh on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
*cool daddy taking it slow, listening to Miles Davis, tv off, fireplace crackling, Salty sees this comment, raises one eyebrow*
Now I like this woman.
Saltysam on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
What is the matter with everyone. OK losers and whimps go to bed. Soldiers fight on. PA is not dead. Fla is looking good
katy on November 4, 2008 at 8:55 PM
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