Round two: PA, FL, MO; Update: NBC calls Pennsylvania for Obama; Update: Fox too

posted at 8:00 pm on November 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

No calls yet in round one as I write this. Florida and Missouri won’t be called until late, either, but if The One’s exit poll margin in Pennsylvania really is 15 points, there’s at least a chance it could go early and puncture Maverick’s balloon.

New general election updates will appear in this thread, but I’ll update the last one with results from those states as they come in.

Update: Bright and early as the clock strikes eight, NBC calls Pennsylvania for The One. Start drinking.

Update: Here’s my map from the predictions thread the other day. To get to a McCain victory, you had to flip 50 electoral votes from blue to red. Try doing it without Pennsylvania.

Update: Steve Kornacki does the math. Barring any very surprising upsets, Obama’s already banked 259 EVs. All he needs is one red state from 2004 worth 11 EVs to turn blue and he’s pretty much set.

Update: ABC also says Obama takes Pennsylvania. And, to add insult to injury, New Hampshire.

Update: Exit poll data from Florida per Marc Ambinder has Obama, amazingly, winning Hispanics by 10 points.

Update: Fox News says Obama wins Pennsylvania, too. And according to the CNN map, with 36 percent reporting, he leads in Florida by more than 200,000 votes.

Update: A McCain aide acknowledges to Ambinder that they need a miracle.


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Guys, if mycowardice starts acting like a dick then you can rail against him. Until then, let him hang around. He’s being cool right now, you guys do the same.

BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 9:48 PM

Supporting Obama is the ultimate dick move, so we’re gonna “rail against him” all we fucking want.

malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Well Allah you got what you wanted. Contradulations, nice last post of mine because I will never come back. Eyeore won and we lost, thanks for nothing. I just wonder how many votes you stiffled. Well done Allah.

Oh but your know what? you were right

broker1 on November 4, 2008 at 9:52 PM

I think the biggest difference is the how and not the what.

I’ll have to disagree with you there. It’s both.

The how and the what. I think all Americans, with the exception of the deranged Bush haters in 2000 and 2004, want a new President to do well. We love our country. So if Obama is the new President, and it looks like he will be, he’ll get a fair chance. But he’s not going to be King, he didn’t win in a landslide and many of us disagree strongly with him about WHAT he wants to do and HOW we wants to do it. That’s not going to change.

Bennett on November 4, 2008 at 9:52 PM

Will the Republican party learn from this?

Ahhh. Well…This is what I think. I think that everyone…EVERYONE got fat and happy.
1) There hasnt been an attack on this country since 9-11. People got TOO comfy. And then took it for granted.

2) The economy reached astronomical heights under bush, of 14000 at one point? Until the dems screwed the pooch with their ‘affirmative action housing’ that brought everything to the ground. Not just OURS but the WORLDS economies.

3)Spending got way out of control on the repub side.

And I’m afraid to say it…but even conservatives fell into brain fart territory. when the time came to gather round a conservative like Romney, it was too late and we ended up with McCain. A great man, but not a very good candidate, I’m afraid.

The only bright spot is that it gave us our future…which is Sarah Palin.

What will happen is that the country is going to find out that there is no such thing as a Utopian society. And when unemployment in the country reaches what it is in democrat states such as California and Michigan…
Not to mention when we get hit on our streets by Muslim freaks..
Only then will the country start to see the error of their ways. All for a ‘feel good vote’.

Handel on November 4, 2008 at 9:52 PM

hawkdrivers in thread 3.

You’re an Obama supporter, right?

BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 9:36 PM

I am indeed.

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 9:37 PM

I’ll have just one message for you and the rest of you fools who set us up for this mess a few years down the line when the economy’s crumbled, unemployment is rampant, industry is destroyed, the United States is at war and losing and there’s nowhere left to run….

Brother, you asked for it!

Sign of the Dollar on November 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM

No, he can kiss my ass. He wants to fuck up the country. I’m sick of being fucking gracious. Are you watching the video of these douchebags in Chicago? Have you been paying attention as they have bought this entire election? No, I’m sorry. Fuck him. Fuck all of the Obama worshipers. You’ll be saying the same thing once the white flags start waving in Iraq and the bombs start dropping over Tel Aviv.

malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 9:51 PM

Before going after Obama, why don’t you wait to see what he will ACTUALLY do. You guys have been complaining for months about “who is the real Obama”? Why not wait a bit before bashing him. For example, what would you say if he keeps Gates around?

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 9:55 PM

Handel, you sort of hit the nail, but it is going to be a very deep valley of darkness before we climb out. I was around during the Carter years; it was ugly.

Pelayo on November 4, 2008 at 9:56 PM

I’ll have just one message for you and the rest of you fools who set us up for this mess a few years down the line when the economy’s crumbled, unemployment is rampant, industry is destroyed, the United States is at war and losing and there’s nowhere left to run….

Brother, you asked for it!

Sign of the Dollar on November 4, 2008 at 9:53 PM

Are you responsible for the 10 trillion $ national debt?

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 9:58 PM

For example, what would you say if he keeps Gates around?

He shouldn’t keep any of the current people around. Let it be a completely Democrat administration. Makes accountability easier. We don’t need any sham bi-partisanship gestures.

Given the kind of invective that was spewed after Bush won in 2000 and 2004 by those on the left (and throughout his Presidency), I think the more angry comments here are fairly mild.

Bennett on November 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 9:58 PM

Keep it gracious. We’re taking a beating and obviously people are pissed. Don’t stoke it, please.

BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Before going after Obama, why don’t you wait to see what he will ACTUALLY do. You guys have been complaining for months about “who is the real Obama”? Why not wait a bit before bashing him. For example, what would you say if he keeps Gates around?

As far as I know, Gates has said he’s outta there. As for the “real Obama”, it says a lot that even his own followers don’t have much of a clue. Understandable, since the MSM was preoccupied with trying to make Sarah Palin look like a dunce or an abuser of power.

ddrintn on November 4, 2008 at 10:00 PM

For example, what would you say if he keeps Gates around?

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 9:55 PM

It would say a helluva lot about Gates.

malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM

As a trial lawyer I should be happy as a clam – everyone can sue everyone and I will probably not have to worry about my income (although I am not going to be Edwards or Baron rich) – but as an American, I am so damn sad and scared and angry. Obama! seriously????? We just got collectively punked.

HawaiiLwyr on November 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM

Ok. Congrats to your guy is he holds on, just try to be gracious. We’re taking a beating.

If you want to gloat, do it on a lefty site please.

BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 9:39 PM

I am trying to be a good representative of Obama and the message of hope and change he had.

I really hope we get to achieve great things in the next four years.

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 9:41 PM

I just hope your fool candidate doesn’t attempt to change my free capitalistic republic into a socialistic police state. Maybe this dismantling the system from the inside crap could work in Europe, but in America there are plenty of people who will fight for their rights.

And even if you morons manage to do real harm to our country in the next two to four years, I don’t think our system of government is fragile enough to keep us from using the ballot box to kick all your liberal bums out on their ass by 2012!

And this time, it won’t be a stodgy old moderate eager to reach across the aisle. You’ll come to regret your vote when the conservatives take over Washington and clean up the massive mess your bumbling fools will make.

I hope you get drafted when Obama’s tested and we have to defend this nation and its allies.

Sign of the Dollar on November 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM

It would say a helluva lot about Gates.

malan89 on November 4, 2008 at 10:01 PM

AHAHHAHA! Touché!

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM

Sign of the Dollar on November 4, 2008 at 10:04 PM

We already have a socialist state. What do you call Medicare or welfare?

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Pffft

Nothing changes. Obama can’t deliver on 10% of what he’s been selling. He has set himself up for an epic fail and his own people will turn on him pretty quickly. The “morning after” will be painful for them when the realize that Obama won’t fill their gas tanks, buy their groceries or ease the debt.

Guardian on November 4, 2008 at 10:08 PM

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM

Pray that you don’t get to see true socialism. You are showing you ignorance thinking that we live in a socialist state. It has been being pushed that way by Bush and the democrats. An Obama presidency will just solidify it.

I for one am going to quit paying my credit and mortgage let someone richer than me foot the bill RIGHT!

shamik on November 4, 2008 at 10:10 PM

VA- 80% in, tied at 50% but Obama now leads in the raw vote totals by 5,000 votes.

Remember that we still have absentee military ballots to be counted in Va.

hawksruleva on November 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM

Nothing changes. Obama can’t deliver on 10% of what he’s been selling. He has set himself up for an epic fail and his own people will turn on him pretty quickly.

Thats exactly what John Bolton is saying on the BBC. He says Obama will be discredited after one year in office.

aengus on November 4, 2008 at 10:11 PM

It is over the game is over now onto 2010.

Jdripper on November 4, 2008 at 10:12 PM

We already have a socialist state. What do you call Medicare or welfare?

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 10:05 PM

I call it more than enough. Apparently, Obama doesn’t. He wants to fundamentally change our government. Just listen to his words and look at his acts. Read his damn books. The man is a Marxist. The policies he’ll implement will harm the neediest and least able – the very individuals socialists always claim to want to help! Why does he insist we need more redistribution of wealth when that is never the answer and has never been the answer.

I know the man doesn’t actually give a damn about anyone. Every collectivist policy Obama, Pelosi and Reid will put in place will be done for one purpose – as an attempt to consolidate their power by destroying wealth, seizing private property and making as many people dependent on the federal government as possible.

He wants people in the middle class to remain there – or, even better, to fall to the level of the lower classes. He certainly doesn’t want to elevate anyone. Those who create wealth on their own merits and produce must be vilified and punished. Government must be seen as the benefactor.

If this is their goal, I wish they’d be more honest about this and change the laws to allow one to break into homes and cars and steal property by force, or to mug people in the streets – as long as the home is worth $500,000, the car is worth $40,000, the person earns $250,000 a year and the robber has no job and produces nothing of value. Then we’d take your dear leader’s flawed political philosophy as it is and REJECT it on face value!

But you’ll see where this election leads us. And you won’t like it when we get there.

Sign of the Dollar on November 4, 2008 at 10:14 PM

From “The Corner”…I think this about covers it.

Why O Why O Why [NRO Staff]

from “David Kahane’s amanuensis:

1) We got this the old-fashioned way: we earned it. The other side took the fight to us, and we never took the fight to the other side, except coyly and obliquely. That’s not a mistake we should make the next time. “Honorable campaigns” are for losers. Next time, call ‘em as they really are, not as you wish to see ‘em.

2) Where was Bush? Once again, and right to the bitter end, he let his passion for “loyalty” supersede what was stragetically right for the party, not to mention what was best for the country. I think his reputation has nowhere to go but down; yes, he got one big thing right,
but he got everything else wrong. Enough of this family in our
country’s politics!

3) Good riddance to Liddy Dole, the woman who gave us the national
drinking age of 21 and a host of sozzled underage college students.
She won’t be missed.

4) Hillary comes out smelling like a rose, plus unbloodied. She and Bill are already scoping out 2112.

5) Time to clean house. McCain should have been president in 2000, not in 2008. No more “it’s my turn” for the last loser. We need to be looking for our candidates in the ranks of returning war vets — think Eisenhower in ’52 as the model — and let the Dem’s shifty lawyers run the country for a couple of years. Then hit them across the board with
people who know how to lead. Gen. Petraeus might be a good place to
start. Lots of junior officers, too.

6) You know what? McCain never did sell himself as a leader. He sold himself as a maverick.

7) One upside: McCain/Feingold is now dead, as is public financing.
Talk about being hoist with your own petard!

8) That Gang of 14 thing really worked out well, didn’t it? Say good-bye to the courts. And we were so close…

9) Joe Lieberman was worse than useless. When he could have made a difference, he didn’t cross the aisle to caucus with the Republicans.
Now, it doesn’t matter. Thanks, Joe.

10) Age matters. McCain ran an “honorable campaign” because he never really understood in his heart that the other guy had no intention of doing so; he didn’t “get” Obama’s generation, or Axelrod’s.. Obama would lie about public financing, “oppose” gay marriage but also oppose Prop. 8 and never see it as morally contradictory. The world that McCain understood and operated in is vanishing, and tonight is visible evidence.

11) Unlike the Democrats, let’s show some class in defeat. That doesn’t mean lie down and roll over: it means fighting for what we believe in, doubly so now. But their sneering childishness is not for us; and now that they’ve won, they won’t be able to control it even in victory. This is an unlovely party filled with unlovely people, as America’s about to find out once the Obama pixie dust wears off.

12) Understand, once and for all, that the old media is part of the Democratic Party now. Ignore it. Never send Michele Bachmann onto Hardball again. Never send Sarah to play nice with Katie. We need to develop and create our own work-arounds — Fox, talk radio, NRO, etc. — and use them. Don’t play by their rules: make our own.

Bennett on November 4, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Does this mean that thier going to give breathalyzers (or inhalators) to our kids in all 57 states?

Bald Igle on November 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Join the NRA and if you don’t have one, get a firearm. It is the liberty we can least afford to lose now.

They get the guns, it is over.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on November 4, 2008 at 10:17 PM

My point is that we already have socialism. The only issue is how much of it do we want… Sign of the dollar says we have enough. Some say we don’t have enough. Whatever the ‘right’ amount is, socialism is here to stay.

Plus apparently America seems to have chosen the ‘marxist’ in chief. So wherever we are headed, it looks like 50%+ of the people are coming along for the ride.

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

You know damn well that he wouldn’t win five states if the majority of voters knew what Obama’s really about. The only way his campaign was able to be successful was deliberately biased reporting from the mainstream media and nothing but misinformation and fuzzy promises from the Obama campaign.

Sign of the Dollar on November 4, 2008 at 10:31 PM

So wherever we are headed, it looks like 50%+ of the people are coming along for the ride.

mycowardice on November 4, 2008 at 10:20 PM

And by the end of the ride, there will be mass vomiting!

newton on November 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Handel, you sort of hit the nail, but it is going to be a very deep valley of darkness before we climb out. I was around during the Carter years; it was ugly.

Pelayo on November 4, 2008

well not exactly. I see it another way.
IF we hold on to 41 seats and keep it ‘filibusterous’, we only have to wait TWO years.
TWO years for the next election. The public is sooo tired of the dem congress and once they see how screwed up it WILL most definitely be with obama as dummy in chief…it will be ripe for the pickins.

The moment of regroup starts as soon as NOW, and after getting our focus back…the knives will be more than sharp.

Two years my friends..more than enough time for the dems to screw themselves and have noone to point to BUT themselves.

but…we as a country WILL hurt to…
Again..I really feel like we’re going to get hit on our streets.
Thats not good…And we’ll have no one to blame but ourselves. (well at least half of this country).

Handel on November 4, 2008 at 10:35 PM

Understand, once and for all, that the old media is part of the Democratic Party now. Ignore it. Never send Michele Bachmann onto Hardball again. Never send Sarah to play nice with Katie. We need to develop and create our own work-arounds — Fox, talk radio, NRO, etc. — and use them. Don’t play by their rules: make our own.

I never quite understood why any GOPer in his/her right mind would want to be interviewed by the wolves at the MSM. I’d rather see all of the GOP boycott the MSM for a good, long time. They already have their narrative on us, scripted and meme’d to death.

If I knew I wasn’t welcome in some place, I’d leave, no questions asked. They don’t need me, and I don’t need them, either!

newton on November 4, 2008 at 10:38 PM

On the lighter side: Roger Waters was banned by Allah.

carbon_footprint on November 4, 2008 at 10:42 PM

I never quite understood why any GOPer in his/her right mind would want to be interviewed by the wolves at the MSM.

The sickest thing is that Palin boosted Katie Kuran’s ratings while CBS slices and dices the interview to make Palin look bad. It is like paying the enemy to destroy them. Kind of like us tax payers funding ACORN. WTF?

The Palin handlers were TOTAL IDIOTS.

Palin Rocks.

Geochelone on November 4, 2008 at 10:45 PM

On the lighter side: Roger Waters was banned by Allah.

aww I’m always sorry to see unattractive people go. How else are all of us pretty, and successful people supposed to measure ourselves by?

sigh……>:)

Handel on November 4, 2008 at 10:53 PM

Hillary comes out smelling like a rose, plus unbloodied.

WTF?

Hillary is a PU not a PUMA. She is a tragic figure; endorsing Al Franken. Obama will kick her to the curb.

Geochelone on November 4, 2008 at 10:57 PM

These dunces elected the most liberal, least experienced person to EVER run for President.

*He broke his word on Public financing, so the ONE thing we KNOW about him is that he’s not truthful. Bad start.
HUGE GOVERNMENT ON THE WAY
*african americans are promised even MORE of our money (built in voters)
*illegal aliens are promised amnesty for them and family still in mexico
*poor and illegals are promised healthcare adding 50 million people to the already full waiting rooms.
*401Ks are a thing of the past. Kiss em bye.
*Higher taxes for families earning more than $250, $200, $150, $120, $100, $75, $50,000.
*Higher Cap Gains Taxes and less business development/employment
*Stupid are shocked to find prices for goods and services are rising as corp taxes go up.
*Wants a domestic force “as strong” as our military. ACORN on roids. Great.
Other than that, I’m in a great mood this morning.

marklmail on November 5, 2008 at 7:29 AM

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