Open thread: The official freaky deaky exit poll freakout post; Update: FL, IN, OH too close to call? Update: Black vote only 13%?

posted at 4:40 pm on November 4, 2008 by Allahpundit

The polling firm’s sequestration ends promptly at five so the data should follow soon after. Here’s a thread for obsessing when it does. I’m being cute with the headline, for the record: There’s no need to freak out, as righties, lefties, and even your resident Eeyore agree that the data will oversample Democrats and distort what’s really happening on the ground. What could warrant some freakage is if it shows either a gigantic lead for Obama or a surprisingly small one. I’m expecting something on the order of seven points, although that’s based on nothing more than gut.

Geraghty notes that a strong showing for McCain here shouldn’t be taken too seriously either as it wouldn’t account for early voting, but the LA Times piece I linked up top claims that the polling firm’s been doing surveys to try to incorporate that data so some of it, at least, will be baked in the cake.

Stand by for updates once the poll is out.

Update: Did I seven points? Make it 10.

Update: Geraghty’s transcribing the data from Fox News TV and there’s already good news: New voters are only 10 percent of the electorate, a point less than they were four years ago. The bad news? They’re breaking much more heavily for The One — two to one on average in the the swing states mentioned — than they did for Kerry, who beat Bush 53/46.

More good news: McCain leads by 11 among late deciders Virginia and by 19 among white men in Ohio. And remember, those numbers are deflated by the exit poll skew.

Update: Drudge says Obama leads “big” without offering a number but Gawker has amazingly thin state margins in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio.

Update: Now Drudge says Obama by 15 in Pennsylvania, directly contradicting Gawker. Let the exit poll chaos begin!

Update: It’s 6:15 and still no new data. But Drudge has this:

EXIT POLLS CLAIM ‘OBAMA +15′ IN PA… DEVELOPING…
TOO CLOSE TO CALL AT CLOSE: FL, IN, OH…
MCCAIN KEEPING AZ… DEVELOPING…

Realistically, that’s the best news you could hope for. McCain still needs Pennsylvania to win in almost any scenario, but if the blue-leaning exits are that close in that many swing states, he’s got a shot.

Update (Ed): Mid-day exit polling will skew heavily to the Democrats. We saw that in 2004, when everyone panicked after they showed Kerry winning by wide margins.  ABC reports that the black vote only slightly increased from 2004 and will only be 13% of the total vote — lower than most people predicted.  Most of the predictions hit around 16%.  That may be a huge problem for Obama, if the final numbers bear that out.  In 2004, it was 11% of the vote, and went 88% to Kerry.

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I just went to Drudge. Where is he declaring a winner? I don’t see it.

terryannonline on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

OK, cant take it. Going downstairs to start the complicated supper..also be closer to the wine! **crosses all fingers** COME ON AMERICA…VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!

labwrs on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Hillbuzz is saying word is spreading in Chicago that Obama is losing and his event in Chicago tonight will be smaller than planned. – Sweetness0726 on November 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM

The need the extra room for the riot police.

ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

my attempt at humor on the exit polls:
http://darkegop.blogspot.com/2008/11/first-exit-polls-are-in-short-play.html

darkegop on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

HERE COMES THE POLLS!

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I’ve got brownies and chianti. Bring on the riots.

patriette on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

JUDGE: MILITARY ABSENTEE BALLOTS IN VIRGINIA MUST BE PRESERVED.

Meaning, they’re neither counted nor thrown out. The judge will hold a hearing on November 10th to figure out what to do with them. If it’s that close, we might not know until then.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

taney71 on November 4, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Rove didn’t have bittergate or coalgate.

Darth Executor on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

::IMPORTANT UPDATE:: Oprah has already picked out her Obama-celebration dress!

…when will this hideousness end…

S on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

after tonight all will be well and to 2012 Palen/ManlyRash

driver on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Drudge is an afterthought these days, I only visit him to see what others are reading.

He rarely breaks stories, is often wrong, and misses obviously important stories on a regular basis.

Ignore the exit polls, ignore Drudge.

Dorvillian on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

The Famous Grouse for me (English Mike probably knows this)
big headache tomorrow either way

mountainmanbob on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Grouse is okay, but I prefer Irish. Jameson or Tullamore Dew. Then again if tonight goes well I may convert to JD to celebrate.

EnglishMike on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Hillbuzz is saying word is spreading in Chicago that Obama is losing and his event in Chicago tonight will be smaller than planned. – Sweetness0726 on November 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Link,please?

cblesz on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Hillbuzz is saying word is spreading in Chicago that Obama is losing and his event in Chicago tonight will be smaller than planned. – Sweetness0726 on November 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM

What’s their source?

jimbodeano67 on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

FiveWays
Macallan is my favorite. Better go easy, looks like a long night.

mountainmanbob on November 4, 2008 at 5:11 PM

That’s why I chose the expensive stuff. It forces me to sip…….slooooowly……

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

I wouldn’t trust any communications coming out of the Obama campaign about low turnout… that’s probably just agitprop to pump the GOTV…

ninjapirate on November 4, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Fasten your seat belts, people. We may not have a winner tonight. It may come down to the military votes in Virginia or the absentees in Colorado.

Obama sent out a panic email for volunteers in southeastern PA less than an hour ago.

rockmom on November 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM

That’s trully depressing. I hope its not true. – clemycali on November 4, 2008 at 5:03 PM

Don’t make me come out onto that ledge. Now get back inside and buck up.

ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM

First choice: McCain wins convincingly

Second choice: Too many close states to call it tonight one way or the other, million or so idiots in Chicago park wondering if he’s The One or The Zero.

innominatus on November 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Guys, if there’s one thing worse than bad news it’s fake good news. Reputable links for good news stories please!

EnglishMike on November 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I’ve got brownies and chianti. Bring on the riots.

I’ve got an umbrella with a pointed tip at one end!

Unfortunately, I now have to go and deliver my Absentee Ballot (which I didn’t mail on time) AND then I’m going to brave the outside world for some groceries.

If I never return to Hot Air, you’ll know the umbrella didn’t work.

S on November 4, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Let’s cross fingers and pray, folks.

And whatever you do, don’t let a poll help you figure out who to vote for.

Don’t pick the “winning team” just because it is winning.

Don’t fail to vote just because you think no one else who thinks like you is voting.

If anything, if your guy is down, be more determined to do your part to bring him back up.

Or else we we will not longer have a democracy, but rule by the press. And God help us if we ever have that.

A.W. on November 4, 2008 at 5:17 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC!

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:12 PM

DON’T PANIC

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on November 4, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Boulevard Unfiltered Wheats on standby. Lemon slices at the ready.

journeyscarab on November 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM

What’s their source?

No source its just a rumour.Feeling in Chicago and lack of excitement. I don’t know what to say. We’ll see.

clemycali on November 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM

If McCain somehow pulls this out the sound of moonbat heads exploding will be the loudest sound on earth since Krakatoa.

darkpixel on November 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Megyn Kelly just said that the judge in VA ruled that the military absentee ballots (“in the 10′s of thousands”) must be preserved Hearing scheduled for Nov 10.

NightmareOnKStreet on November 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Appropriately our national anthem was set to the tune of an old British drinking song:

Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe’s haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o’er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning’s first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
‘Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle’s confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps’ pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave
From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war’s desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav’n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: “In God is our trust.”
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave!

kirkill on November 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM

If McCain loses but would have won with PA and PA is less than 1000 margin then I say we fight and do not go quietly into that good night.

bill30097 on November 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM

EVERYBODY DRINK!
Here- *pours scotch*

Now drink up and calm the hell down!

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I believe Hillbuzz has moles inside the obama camp that feed them info.

Blake on November 4, 2008 at 5:20 PM

If McCain somehow pulls this out the sound of moonbat heads exploding will be the loudest sound on earth since Krakatoa.

darkpixel on November 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM

The sudden excess of hot air will be the new source of blame for global warming.

Thankfully, since Algor’s head will be one of the ones exploding, we won’t have to listen to much more global warming bologna.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on November 4, 2008 at 5:20 PM

EXIT POLLS are the gospel… ignore them at your own peril… so say the MSM… hahah lol!

gatorboy on November 4, 2008 at 5:20 PM

kirkill on November 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM

BEST
POST
OF
THE
YEAR.

*salutes*

Grue in the Attic on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

F*ck the exit polls!

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I’ve got brownies and chianti. Bring on the riots. – patriette on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I like your style.

ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Megyn Kelly just said that the judge in VA ruled that the military absentee ballots (”in the 10’s of thousands”) must be preserved Hearing scheduled for Nov 10.

NightmareOnKStreet on November 4, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Hopefully that gets some wide play on all the outlets. Nothing pisses an average American more than seeing their veterans get dumped on.

BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

And here is more good news…but not to be taken with a grain of salt, take with a pillar of salt….this is from a COMMENT on a BLOG – ie completely unsubstantiated

These purport to be the final internal polls from the McCain camp. I don’t know if they are accurate, I suspect they are, but if Obama wins, the McCain camp deserves to lose, being that far off the mark in predicting the outcome. These numbers portend a blowout for McCain.

PA: MCCAIN 52%, Obama 40%, Undecided 6%
NJ: Obama 47%, McCain 45%, Undecided 7%
MI: McCain 45%, Obama 44%, Undecided 7%
VA: McCain 53%, Obama 42%, Undecided 3%
CO: McCain 50%, Obama 44%, Undecided 4%
MO: McCain 49%, Obama 42%, Undecided 7%
FL: McCain 52%, Obama 44%, Undecided 3%

JustTruth101 on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I’ve got brownies and chianti. Bring on the riots.

patriette on November 4, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I have a gun cabinet full of M-16′s, an M-1 Garand and an M-14 and about 3500 rounds of ammunition. Bring it on Tyrone, it’s your funeral.

stm58 on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Wine and lots of it will be the only thing that gets me through this night. Tomorrow morning will be a horror, reading the Chicago Tribune if McCain doesn’t win. Sob.

UnEasyRider on November 4, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Exit polls are over 10 minutes late.

Megyn Kelly says she’s hearing interesting trends.

Obama-crush?

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:24 PM

Panic in Obama camp

just emailed around

These next four hours on the ground in New Hampshire could determine the election. If you have sixty spare minutes between now and 7:50, please consider coming down to our office at 130 Water Street in Exeter to canvass or make calls. We need to turn each of the people on our list out to vote. ————– National Call Team, Barack needs your help right now — our data indicates that the results will be very close in many states. I can’t emphasize enough how urgent this message is.

nomoneytocorruptgov on November 4, 2008 at 5:24 PM

McCain still at six cents on the Iowa Electronic Market.

Realist on November 4, 2008 at 5:24 PM

JustTruth101 on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I’m ignoring that.

*sips scotch*

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM

First exit polls coming out in minutes. I’m about to change the channel in a few seconds!!

Ozark_sky on November 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM

kirkill on November 4, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Meh. Not a single word in the lyrics about drinking – just a bunch of stuff about bombs, rockets, flags, valor and freedom. Manly is not impressed./

ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 5:25 PM

Is anyone else noticing a slowdown here at HotAir?

Oldnuke on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Suit yourself. Piss on someone else’s parade – mine is having too much fun.

ManlyRash on November 4, 2008

If all the polls are grossly wrong there will be, in hindsight, a canary in the coal mine, always was, always is. This guy (the ‘Toast’ guy) might be just that.

Besides, he provides more thorough analysis than Rassmusen or Gallup

JonPrichard on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

I’m not trusting all these Obama emails. Psy-ops?

*sips scotch*

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

CNN: 51% say the government should do more to solve problems, 12% say they will be excited if McCain wins, 30% say they will be scared if McCain wins.

AP: On economy: “About half said it’s poor and nearly as many said the economy is not good.”

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Over 70% are afraid of another terrorist attack.

Over 60% support off-shore drilling.

From exit polls.

70% predict their taxes will go up under Obama

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

New respect for Carrie Underwood

(is Hot Air running slow for everyone else?)

Ugly on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Is anyone else noticing a slowdown here at HotAir?

Oldnuke on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Substantially.

carbon_footprint on November 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Earlier, I was THIS close to a full-blown panic attack. So my sister printed out a Snobama pic, taped it to the punching bag, and let me at it for a half hour or so.
I feel much better.
And now we’re toasting with ‘tinis.
Locked and loaded.
Bring it on.

Hispalintologist on November 4, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Is anyone else noticing a slowdown here at HotAir?

Oldnuke on November 4, 2008 at 5:26 PM

Yep and also at AoSHQ. I thought maybe it was just my internet provider….

HawaiiLwyr on November 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Megyn Kelly says she’s hearing interesting trends.
Obama-crush?

I don’t know and I don’t want to go into supositions. Anyway, I got an email from Newsmax and the headline was that the race is too close to call. Thats indeed intresting.

clemycali on November 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM

Panic in Obama camp

just emailed around

Don’t believe it… they’re just pumping the GOTV… they’d probably send that message nomatter what… infact they probably had it prewritten before the day and unleashed it right when they knew people would get off work…

ninjapirate on November 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM

And the cork pops on the Knob Creek.

Big Orange on November 4, 2008 at 5:28 PM

JustTruth101 on November 4, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Hillbuzz is a fun site for bitter Hillary supporters, but completely wrong. Obama will probably win by five or six points… Sorry people :(. BTW, those poll numbers are ridiculous and McCain should fire his pollster if they’re true.

Illinidiva on November 4, 2008 at 5:29 PM

I’m still at work and you guys are sipping scotch already! I’m 30 minutes from the Pacific Ocean here.

Kevin in Washington State on November 4, 2008 at 5:30 PM

New voters go overwhelmingly to Obama in Indiana, Virginia, and Ohio.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:31 PM

42% say they’re worse off than four years ago.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:31 PM

OH MY GOD. im freaking out. lol

venicesurfer on November 4, 2008 at 5:31 PM

McCain carries white men by large margins in Indiana, Ohio, and Virginia.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:32 PM

New Voters:

Indiana 73% Obama 27% McCain
Ohio 69% Obama 31% McCain
Virginia 63% Obama 36% McCain

McCain gets over majority of white male voters in same states, almost 60% in Virginia.

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Late deciders in Indiana goes for Obama.
Ohio goes for Ovama.

Virginia goes for McCain

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM

New voters only made up 10% of electorate. White males made up over 30%.

Late deciders went to Obama in Indiana and Ohio. In Virginia they went to McCain.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:33 PM

Just got timed out. Running slow. Must be the democrats.

Ozark_sky on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

New voters only makes up 10% of the voters, late deciders only make up 7%

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

New Voters:

Indiana 73% Obama 27% McCain
Ohio 69% Obama 31% McCain
Virginia 63% Obama 36% McCain

McCain gets over majority of white male voters in same states, almost 60% in Virginia.

Question is…how many are there?

cblesz on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

THIS JUST IN:

90% of my scotch is still in the bottle.

My glass is…..half…..FULL!

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

I wasn’t this nervous on my wedding day.

jewells45 on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

The internets are melting….

Vashta.Nerada on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

This thread will crash.

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM

I swear, I’m still PO’ed at the “base” and “Real conservatives” of my party for never fully backing John McCain. If McCain loses, they will get the blame. The QB can’t score a touchdown without the full support of his teammates.

JetBoy on November 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM

I’m surprised Drudge hasn’t posted them yet… it’s been nearly 25 minutes.

JoeBrooks on November 4, 2008 at 5:35 PM

LGF is slow.
Ace is slow.
HA is slow.

carbon_footprint on November 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM

I wasn’t this nervous on my wedding day.

jewells45 on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

…..and how’d that work out for ya?

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Fifth attempt to login, success finally.

Also can’t seem to load HotAir half the time I refresh. It’s probably going to get worse. That said, all my Colorado buddies voted McCain, but I hear we won’t know about Colorado until tomorrow.

Free Constitution on November 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Panic: HA was down for a few mintues??? Exit poll that counts for me: McCain/Palin victors of mock election at daughter’s school. I cannot save the world, but I can raise my daughter right.

publiuspen on November 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM

The internets are melting….

Vashta.Nerada on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

I’m having trouble everywhere.

Weight of Glory on November 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM

just heard a radio report on cbs exit polls, they didn’t give numbers on a candidate oddly enough.

McCain had edge on experience by alot, Obama had a ‘slight edge’ on Economy. most thought US was on wrong track and didn’t like bush

jp on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Obama supporter on Fox: We don’t know if Americans are lying to pollsters. He’s talking about a Bradley effect.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

CALM DOWN PEOPLE.

Here, have a drink!

*pours scotch*

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Anybody see anything for OH-10? I’m wondering if maybe Kucinich may be in trouble. Just anecdotal evidence I’m hearing…

xwraith on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

even drudge is slow.

gannak on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

…..and how’d that work out for ya?

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:36 PM

Wonderfully, still married to the greatest guy in the world, 28 years later!

jewells45 on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Off to deal with incoming mail. After that filing, a 15-minute walk to an hour-long bus ride, then blocking out the world for the rest of the evening with high-caffiene drinks, probably unhealthy food, loud music and WoW. Probably won’t find out how the election comes out until I listen to Rush tomorrow unless someone shouts it over the chat channels in-game (not unlikely, they’ve been doing it for weeks) or unless someone tells me on the bus ride home.

Love, peace, shotgun shells and chicken grease, Hot Air.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Interesting… they’re not releasing vote numbers. Only question numbers.

Obama-crush?

Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Just got timed out. Running slow. Must be the democrats.

Ozark_sky on November 4, 2008 at 5:34 PM

OK, so it’s not just me…

Did Ed break Hot Air again? ;-)

JetBoy on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Exit polls?

I say yes: the sooner polls exit, the better!

MrScribbler on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

What do you mean by “Obama-crush”?

anniekc on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Wonderfully, still married to the greatest guy in the world, 28 years later!

jewells45 on November 4, 2008 at 5:37 PM

Congratulations!

I’ll drink to that!

*sips scotch*

FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

50% say Obama has the experience to be president. 49% say McCain has the judgment to be president.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

McCain wins VA if the exits are true, that’s a start

Vashta.Nerada on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

My goodness this Knob Creek is gooood!

Big Orange on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

If McCain doesn’t make it I hope NH goes Republican in the Senate race.

taney71 on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Remember, these exits are about as good as those from 2004….

Vashta.Nerada on November 4, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Vashta.Nerada on November 4, 2008 at 5:38 PM

They don’t include earlier voters which total in the millions. That’s where Obama support will be.

amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 5:39 PM

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