Open thread: The official freaky deaky exit poll freakout post; Update: FL, IN, OH too close to call? Update: Black vote only 13%?
posted at 4:40 pm on November 4, 2008 by Allahpundit
The polling firm’s sequestration ends promptly at five so the data should follow soon after. Here’s a thread for obsessing when it does. I’m being cute with the headline, for the record: There’s no need to freak out, as righties, lefties, and even your resident Eeyore agree that the data will oversample Democrats and distort what’s really happening on the ground. What could warrant some freakage is if it shows either a gigantic lead for Obama or a surprisingly small one. I’m expecting something on the order of seven points, although that’s based on nothing more than gut.
Geraghty notes that a strong showing for McCain here shouldn’t be taken too seriously either as it wouldn’t account for early voting, but the LA Times piece I linked up top claims that the polling firm’s been doing surveys to try to incorporate that data so some of it, at least, will be baked in the cake.
Stand by for updates once the poll is out.
Update: Did I seven points? Make it 10.
Update: Geraghty’s transcribing the data from Fox News TV and there’s already good news: New voters are only 10 percent of the electorate, a point less than they were four years ago. The bad news? They’re breaking much more heavily for The One — two to one on average in the the swing states mentioned — than they did for Kerry, who beat Bush 53/46.
More good news: McCain leads by 11 among late deciders Virginia and by 19 among white men in Ohio. And remember, those numbers are deflated by the exit poll skew.
Update: Drudge says Obama leads “big” without offering a number but Gawker has amazingly thin state margins in Pennsylvania, Virginia, Florida, and Ohio.
Update: Now Drudge says Obama by 15 in Pennsylvania, directly contradicting Gawker. Let the exit poll chaos begin!
Update: It’s 6:15 and still no new data. But Drudge has this:
EXIT POLLS CLAIM ‘OBAMA +15′ IN PA… DEVELOPING…
TOO CLOSE TO CALL AT CLOSE: FL, IN, OH…
MCCAIN KEEPING AZ… DEVELOPING…
Realistically, that’s the best news you could hope for. McCain still needs Pennsylvania to win in almost any scenario, but if the blue-leaning exits are that close in that many swing states, he’s got a shot.
Update (Ed): Mid-day exit polling will skew heavily to the Democrats. We saw that in 2004, when everyone panicked after they showed Kerry winning by wide margins. ABC reports that the black vote only slightly increased from 2004 and will only be 13% of the total vote — lower than most people predicted. Most of the predictions hit around 16%. That may be a huge problem for Obama, if the final numbers bear that out. In 2004, it was 11% of the vote, and went 88% to Kerry.










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Ask PRresidentKerry how the exit polls were so reliable back in 2004
Hilts on November 4, 2008 at 4:42 PM
GAME OVER, MAN!!!! GAME OVER!!!
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Obama by 20 in PA
Obama by 15 in CA
Obama by 8 in FL
Obama by 8 in OH
All CRAP!
jawbone on November 4, 2008 at 4:42 PM
The corkscrew is poised over my wine bottle…..
eaglesdontflock on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Sequestration sounds painful.
Beo on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I don’t believe it!… oh, wait.. they didn’t release any data yet.
romanianhacker on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Go McCain/Palin go!!!
Yossarian on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
McCain Internal Polling in PA (+12)?
carbon_footprint on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Update: Did I say seven points? Make it 10.
Good lord, man. You must be smashed. You can barely type.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
I just hope Obama doesn’t win states like Ohio or Virginia by very small margins. If that happens I think it’ll be safe to say he stole it.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Do we start getting official Indiana results at 6:00 PM eastern time?
Mark1971 on November 4, 2008 at 4:44 PM
freaky deaky ? are we talking George Carlin? Or am I confusing that with hippy dippy?
Paul-Cincy on November 4, 2008 at 4:44 PM
I hope one is enough.
Esthier on November 4, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Sorry, those were my predictions for the CRAP release at 5pm
jawbone on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Ripley: This
little girlBarry Obamasurvived longer than us with no weapons and no trainingWon the democrat primary and might actually win the election.Hudson:
Well why don’t you put her in charge!We’re screwed!wise_man on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Not sure if you saw my post a couple days ago, but IF McCain doesn’t pull this out, thanks for rallying the troops and smashing all the Eeyores for the past few days.
Hopefully we’ll be saying bye to trailboss instead, unless the little bastard just re-registered under a different name.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Freakage will be McCain ahead in the exit poles.
Count to 10 on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
He’s talking to the Jack Daniels again. Right Allah? ;)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Listen carefully, you’ll hear the squeaky pop of my bourbon bottle ;)
LimeyGeek on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Let the landslide commence.
McCain and Palin!
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Marc Ambinder posts an email:
amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Anecdote: A female Obama worker came by my neighbor’s this morning. My neighbor told her he’d already voted and didn’t vote for Obama. She replied, “Me neither,” and went on down the street.
jazz_piano on November 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Do not pay any attention to that stuff. Good grief, you’ll have REAL results in a couple hours so just wait.
Rememeber the Sean Malstrom article. Do NOT believe the exit polls.
Oink on November 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Ck out this metaphor — just as Obama will fall far short of implementing his vast left wing agenda, if elected Prez and High Black Messiah (I’M SUCH A RACIST), perhaps he will also fall short of winning the general election! It could happen!
Paul-Cincy on November 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM
That makes me feel warm inside.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Meh. Now is the time to buck up. The night belongs to McCain and America. Count on it.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Yeah…I live not far from Falmouth, but on the other side of the Rappahannock River, in Spotsylvania County. If they’re sampling minorities at a 4:1 ratio over whites, they’ve got the ratio roughly inverted.
flipflop on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
im ready for whatever the polls show
I just bought a new remmington 870 tactical shotty and 4 more high cap mags for my XD
stocked up on my food and propane last week
offroadaz on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
I’m not worried about the exit polling, I’m worried about fraud. Sound like a dumb dem voter, but it’s true – in this election it’s one of my top concerns. Huge turnout at my polling place (red state).
Spirit of 1776 on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Who knows who will be oversampled or undersampled? The problem with exit polling is that it samples groups of voters instead of (hopefully) random individual voters. Combined with early voting and absentee ballots, it’s not a very good predictor of actual results anymore.
Big S on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Freaky Deaky Dutch
romanianhacker on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Well, we won’t have Darth Barry to kick around any more.
Good bye Barry, we would miss you, but…. naaaah.
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Here’s an interesting question:
Kerry’s exit polls were leaked early because they were performing so well, and were making pre-election polls.
And yet, there is no leak this year. Is Obama underperforming? Are they trying to skew the polling for Obama to compensate (hence, getting 4:1 minorities)?
Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
At any rate, I’m drinking my ass off. About to get in the car and drive a mile to the store. If I kill someone, I hope they don’t trace me back to this forum. Then I’m screwed.
Paul-Cincy on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that polling data is WORTHLESS! Why spend any time on something you know is garbage? Polls are used to push an agenda, not to find out what’s actually happening. I’m playing video games until the only important poll results come in tomorrow.
rmgraha on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Thanks for the reminder. READ THIS, YOU EEYORES.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Sequestration?!
OMG!! They’re riding HORSES at a time like this!?!
/
Janna on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
5pm: time to start drinking and praying heavily, my friends! I predict McCain in a wee-hour of the morning squeaker.
redfoxbluestate on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Question is how different will the exit polls be because they don’t the fraud that’s going on!! They don’t count the machine rigging in PA, the double voting in GA and FL. BTW – FL people double vote every time! why don’t we put them in jail??? Early voting was very high, they don’t count in exit polls. Absentee votes, where wives sent in their husbands ballots for Obama without their knowledge! Its hard to count all those votes!
indyrowe on November 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Spirit, I am not worried about fraud – mainly because McCain will win, and the loser will be a bit reticent about checking it – because of ACORN.
However, the McCain DOJ will check into it anyway to insure that future elections are done without controversy.
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM
Woh.
Count to 10 on November 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM
The exit polls told us Kerry had won. Wrong. People are hesitant to give an honest answer to an invisible telephone pollster; no way everyone’s going to admit voting Palin to some media type.
jazz_piano on November 4, 2008 at 4:49 PM
:D Obama by 20 in PA???!?!?
YellowDawg on November 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM
I’m feeling a mixture of nauseous and light-headed, and it’s not just drink (I did have a few earlier – it’s almost 10pm here).
Tea and coffee to get my focus back, then hitting the Jameson if things start to go well for McPalin.
Should we go into a virtual huddle?
EnglishMike on November 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM
I’m slightly more optimistic than I was in the morning. Of course, I think I was more pessimistic than Allah at that point, so that’s not saying much.
phronesis on November 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Watch for the sweat beads on MSNBC talking heads
unseen on November 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM
I don’t know. Something is fishy here. But I am amazaed that Obama campaign is not trying to come with news about exit polls data. Strange, strange, strange.
clemycali on November 4, 2008 at 4:50 PM
I need a break, anyone want a drink yet?
Mark Garnett on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
How can that possibly be? I mean, I’m as optimistic as the next guy and not willing to just say Obama won big, but can all the other polls really be that far off?
changer1701 on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Forget any polls.
People, it is the VOTES that count.
Either you need to vote or at least encourage others to do so.
Prayer is good. Add any other activity you’d like too, but get Voting and Prayer in the first two.
Enjoy the landslide.
Tomorrow’s headline – Obama Defeats Obama!
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
For the first time this election cycle, I’m doing like some and sticking my fingers in my ears, putting on my blinders, and humming.
MadisonConservative on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Now THAT’S the attitude I want to see.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
My neighbor still has his Kerry/Edwards sign in the front yard, I think he is still going over exit poll data.
americaslaststand on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Why not just wait for the actual results? sheesh people.
Terrye on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
I like that analysis. We’ll see :)
btw, Didn’t recognize your name, so allow me to say ‘welcome to HA’.
Spirit of 1776 on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
That Pennsylvania +12 for McCain post is sourced to a BS post on some PUMA blog. Ignore it. McCain will probably not win PA.
Tabris on November 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Enoxo on November 4, 2008 at 4:48 PM
That is exactly it!
They are not leaking information, because they do not like what they are hearing.
Uhm….why would that be….?
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM
No thanks. Gotta be sober to truly savor the schadenfreude when we see the look on their faces.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 4:52 PM
LMAO +1!!
I have headphones and music. I’m set.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
I’m totally getting smashed tonight either way.
CambellBrown on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Don’t want to get ahead of ourselves here, but if McPalin wins I hope they don’t sweep the voter fraud/intimidation and O’s illegal fundraising under the rug in the interests of ‘national unity’.
Hang them out to dry. This sh*t has to be stopped, or there will be even more in two years, and four years.
EnglishMike on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
I’m going to admit this and ask for mercy: I’m a bit sad that Dan Rather won’t be around tonight calling the results, referring to states as items of Mexican food and dramatizing conversations between people with rural 1900ish names.
Ah, 2000 . . . those were the good ol’ days.
jazz_piano on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Beth Moore has a prayer chain going; everyone is to pray for McCain and this country at 9:00 p.m. tonight. I’m holding out for a miracle.
americanpatriot on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
This whole election is the most ridiculous thing I have witnessed in my lifetime.
It’s beyond belief.
There is no way this islamic terrorist stooge is going to win the white house…..right?
SaintOlaf on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Traffic.
Jim Treacher on November 4, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Verrry interesting.
ManlyRash on November 4, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Because I will be asleep long before we get any of those.
Count to 10 on November 4, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Keep an eye on McCain’s underpriced Intrade contract. There’s a lot of money to be made there and if people see a shift it will move fast.
econavenger on November 4, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Spirit of 1776 on November 4, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Nice of you to welcome me. I’ve been here for awhile, but rarely speak up.
Yes, I am a registered lurker.
But no longer. I come to assist the forces of Light to repel the forces of Darth Barry. To join with you all in celebrating the next 16 years of sound Republican executive power!
Go John and Sarah!
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:54 PM
will getting smashed nullify my prayers? because that’s important to know.
CambellBrown on November 4, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Don’t do this to yourselves, people, take a walk outside, go see a movie, touch yourself for all I care………..
Since the Tanning Bed/Drive-By/All Obama All the Time Media of this country, Loose in Iraq, Destroy Sarah Palin, Crush Joe the Plumber, Erase President Bush from History 24/7……..
What could make you possibly think that they would not report the “Exit Polls” to what they want to become reality?
………….. Don’t believe a single fricken word!
McCain/Palin 2008!
Seven Percent Solution on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
And yet, somehow, you manage to miss all of the important reasons that Obama would be a catastrophe.
Count to 10 on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
I think we’re seeing a backlash against the media and the moonbats like never before.
Just you watch… at least one “blue” state is going red this year. Washington, perhaps? Or Michigan?
KingGold on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Yes, and do something with your hair. You look like a flashback from the eighties. :O
HornetSting on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Leave the room discreetly and meet me in the kitchen…
EnglishMike on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Did I seven points?
carbon_footprint on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
No. Its still early on the west coast.:))
clemycali on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
“…over sample Democrats” I don’t see how this could happen since they wouldn’t know how you voted. Or would they? We got ignored in the exit polls this AM by the two ladies exit polling.
jeanie on November 4, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Could we stop treating Malstrom as some renowned poll analyst? 99.999999% of us never heard of him until that post. His entire “About” page consists of “This is the News page for Malstrom’s Articles. It is glorious.”
amerpundit on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
No, people are more open and honest when they drink so God will like you more.
Nice screen name, too.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
*pops cork out of 25 year old single malt Macallan*
Yeah, that’s right. I’ve been saving this bottle for a night such as this.
FiveWays on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
econavenger on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
I need a drink! Anxiety is just killing me today. I am not watching any news at all, I am only listening to radio in an effort to alleviate my anxiety. I refuse to look at exit polls or watch anyone on Fox arrrg! This election too much!
Chris37 on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
ManlyRash, you’re the only reason I (and several others here) have not given up. I voted for McCain/Palin today in Virginia and am hoping for the best. I hope we stay red, and I hope McCain/Palin win! Just to let ya know; if you turn out to be wrong, you don’t need to feel bad; you have inspired many people here.
I will say this, though, if McCain wins VA; he will most likely win the election.
Achilles on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Nah, NEVER too early…
cblesz on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Would that be an indication of the Polish vote fleeing the Obama campaign?!
JonPrichard on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Just exactly WHERE is the FUN IN THAT? sheeshhhh
labwrs on November 4, 2008 at 4:56 PM
That is good. I am not holding for a miracle. I think that God may not like America and what she does, but He is really not fond of people who want to be god.
Barry has done everything short of shouting into the heavens that he built all he can see.
God frowns on that sort of thing. Really frowns on that sort of thing. Barry might be lucky not to be eating grass tonight.
kybowexar on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I’d take Pennsylvania. If McCain wins that, it’s over.
BadgerHawk on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Getting smashed is a prayer. At least that’s what Father O’Herlihy always told me.
Jim Treacher on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Pelosi will drive this bus into the dirt, and we will be back to the good old WHITE MEN’S CLUB in 2012.
seejanemom on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Mark Garnett
I’m ready…it’s time
The Famous Grouse for me (English Mike probably knows this)
big headache tomorrow either way
mountainmanbob on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Are the exit pollsters aiming for egg on their faces two presidential races in a row?
Sure, so long as it skews the west coast voting tendencies. It’s worth a shot.
natesnake on November 4, 2008 at 4:57 PM
I’d have a beer, but I have to go to my son’s Boy Scout meeting tonight. Wouldn’t look good teaching Communications Merit Badge slurring my words.
kirkill on November 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Shut up and grind your organ, monkey.
seejanemom on November 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Wait for the Grant Park Freakageness.
Christien on November 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM
If Obama is up, Oprah will leap out and crash back into the water to signal libs.
marklmail on November 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Just popped the first can of red bull, the bottle of wine comes next.
gatorgirl on November 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Half-baked would be the more correct usage.
andycanuck on November 4, 2008 at 4:58 PM
I feel good – I feel really good about our chances.
I might run by Target and get a brand spanking new video tape just in case I might need it to make sure I don’t miss Barry’s concession speech through gritted teeth.
Go Mac and Sarah!
gophergirl on November 4, 2008 at 4:59 PM
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