Well, someone’s a chump
posted at 10:50 am on November 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Barack Obama gave an interview to MTV and got challenged on his redistributionist tax policies. In answering, Obama called his increases “chump change” to those making over $250,000 a year — a characterization that should raise eyebrows (emphases mine):
Sway: Our next question is from Matt from Iowa: “If your desire is to spread the wealth around, what incentive is there for me to try to work hard? If I am only going to get more taken away from me, the more money I make, why wouldn’t I just slide into a life of relaxation and let rich people take care of me? And a lot of people are asking similar questions, and I wanted you to specify. What does this mean exactly?”
Obama: What is amazing to me is this whole notion that somehow everybody is just looking out for themselves. I mean, the fact is, we just talked about student loans. When young people who have the drive and the skill to go to college can’t afford to go to college, how do you think we pay for scholarships or loan programs? That money doesn’t grow on trees. It’s got to come from somewhere, and the attitude that I have is that, if we want to grow our economy, the way it grows is from the bottom up. You don’t just give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires. What you do is make sure the tax code is fair. I want to give a tax cut to 95 percent of working Americans, but in order to pay for that, I’m going to take the tax rates back to what they were in the 1990s for people who are making more than a quarter of a million dollars a year. Now for people who are making more than a quarter of a million dollars a year, if they are paying 2 or 3 percent higher in taxes, the notion that they’re somehow going to stop working, or that this young man is going to not want to be successful, that just doesn’t make any sense. Back in the 1990s, we created more millionaires, more billionaires, because the economy was growing, everything was strong, at every income bracket, people were doing well. So this idea, that somehow everybody is just on their own and shouldn’t be concerned about other people who are coming up behind them, that’s the kind of attitude that I want to end when I am president.
Sway: Just out of curiosity, for those that are being taxed that are making more than $250,000 a year, how much difference would it be from how they are being taxed today?
Obama: Well, right now, they are getting taxed at 36 percent. Under Bill Clinton in the 1990s, they were being taxed at 39.6 percent. You are talking about a 3.6 percent difference, and for the average person who is making half a million, a million dollars, now people like you Sway, that’s chump change, that’s nothing. But it could make a big difference for that young person who is trying to figure out whether they can go to college or not, if we could give them more of a break or more scholarships or grants to go to college.
At $250,000, an additional 3.6% isn’t chump change. It’s an extra $9,000 that goes to the federal government on top of what they already take. That money could go to the college funds for his own children, or get invested in businesses that create jobs, or just get spent and create even more jobs for others in the community. Instead, it will go to Washington DC, get filtered through ever-growing bureaucracies, and perhaps a tenth of it will actually go to any purpose — if that.
I provided the entire answer to show that one doesn’t have to take Obama out of context to see the folly of his economics. Wealth does not grow “from the ground up”. It takes investment and risk by those who have capital in order to create the kind of private-sector jobs that promote economic strength and stability. Until now, our tax policies have recognized the value of risk-taking by taxing capital gains at a lower rate, in order to encourage people to invest money in something other than savings accounts. That is what allows the American economy to remain so resilient.
Instead, Obama thinks that we can penalize investment and still get people to take risks. Instead, they will simply put their capital where it is most safe and stop taking risks altogether. Businesses will not expand, and small businesses will not get created. Research and development will stop altogether. Without rewarding risk, risk will not get taken — and especially when government redirects capital away from private investment and sinks it into large bureaucracies instead.
Obama thinks $9,000 is “chump change”. I’d say someone’s certainly a chump.
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Being a chump is not a change for Darth Barry.
What a sad Wednesday for him.
But a great day for America!
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM
What…a…jackass…
cblesz on November 3, 2008 at 10:52 AM
I guy who has never had a real job.
VOTE VOTE VOTE!
McCain/Palin ‘08
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on November 3, 2008 at 10:53 AM
I think the Nation is getting punked. McCain will win.
marklmail on November 3, 2008 at 10:54 AM
What…a…tool…What he does not understand is that “cheump change” is TAKEN from someone and GIVEN to someone else…
cblesz on November 3, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Hope and Change.
Chump Change.
Mmmhmm.
Farmer_Joe on November 3, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Chump Change- about sums up Barry’s whole campaign
VanPalin on November 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Here’s the B.O., AND his wife, on his “chump change”. Need we say more? I don’t make enough to have ‘chump change’ but if I DID, I CERTAINLY wouldn’t give it to “The One”!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLlxxWaJZM
lyfsatrip on November 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Grow from the bottom up. How many times does he have to say that before some enterprising reporter asks him how many people at the bottom have employees?
digitalintrigue on November 3, 2008 at 10:55 AM
Stop Obammunism now.
BigAnge on November 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM
Plenty of room for CHUMPs under the bus…
pherrman on November 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM
so i guess his real campaign slogan should have been “CHUMP CHANGE WE NEED”!!
tcraft on November 3, 2008 at 10:57 AM
There were alot of millionaires and billionaires in the 90’s because of the dot com industry, not because of tax policy.
Personally, in the 90’s we weren’t making $250,00. But we worked hard and we are now. And Obama wants to take that and give it to someone else who hasn’t paid their dues yet. That is hardly fair.
I love how he starts his example talking about someone making $250K but ends it with someone making $500K-$1M. A little sleight of hand there.
ctmom on November 3, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Chump change? He is also not telling the whole truth. Obama is also talking about lifting the income cap on Social Security, If he does that, it adds another 15% (If self employed, that’s 15%, if you are an employee, that cost is split between you and your employer).
I can’t recall where it stops now (maybe $90,000). But let;s call it $100,000. That means these people pay an extra chump amount of 3.6%, the add another 15% on top of anything over $100,000. That ain’t chump change, even for a chump like Obama.
Jim M. on November 3, 2008 at 10:58 AM
The real chumps are those who have even contemplated… voting for Obama…
Period.
Mcguyver on November 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Chump Change You Can Believe In
Jim M. on November 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM
But how does this help my children? ~ Michelle Obama
goldeagle11 on November 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Hope and Chump.
BKennedy on November 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM
What about the guy making 250k who wants to put 3 kids through college? That 9k might come in handy.
lodge on November 3, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Oboma aka CHUMP
driver on November 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM
The marginal tax rate may matter less than what they do with the AMT. Many people making around $250K lose their deductions for state and local taxes when they are forced to do AMT calculations.
dedalus on November 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Anyone who thinks this “redistribution” is about caring for the poor, need only look at his complete abandonment of his poor family. This “redistribution” is about obtaining oppressive governmental power. period.
marklmail on November 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM
One thing I’ve not found data on is his plans for Soc. Security tax increases… and if any at what levels..
Given I’m self employed .. this could be a major hit for me and anyone like me..
theblacksheepwasright on November 3, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Hey Obama, look here chump, why don’t you leave people the @#$% alone?! Oh, and spot your brother a $20, why don’t ya?
CP on November 3, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Too bad this chump can’t spare any change for his brother and aunt.
BTW – is it just me or is there something curious about the fact that it’s only the African side of his family left to languish in poverty. Typical racially insensitive half-white person.
Mr Snuggle Bunny on November 3, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Hey everyone, let’s get out and vote!!! Screw Obama and the MSM.
jencab on November 3, 2008 at 11:03 AM
The best part is that he is only promising “spare change” to the bottom.
So he takes the “chump change” from those making over a quarter of a million, and by the time it gets “spread around” it’s “spare change” for things like iTunes.
The real chumps are the people who think they’re going to get enough of it to make a difference.
What’s really funny about Obama is the contempt he seems to have for his followers. He obviously thinks that someone who can afford to own a competer, internet connection, iPOD, iPhone, or whatever they plan on playing these iTunes on (probably all of the above), cares more about how much spare change he throws at them for important things like some new tunes.
So much for college.
Jaynie59 on November 3, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Just realized that the Steelers of Pa, are playing the Redskins of Va tonight…
Gotta run some coal ads…GOTTA!
This was dropped on our lap by the NFL…thank you Roger Goodall
joepub on November 3, 2008 at 11:05 AM
Actually, he’s absolutely correct on this point.
This morning I interviewed and got a very high paying job with excellent benefits from a guy that’s working out of his ‘78 Mercury Marquis. He is on some sort of government assistance, but he makes some damn good money selling electronics that he gets at a very steep discount.
Dorvillian on November 3, 2008 at 11:06 AM
Are you ready for trickle-up poverty?
oCHUMPa didn’t get my vote on Saturday.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Obama, give ME 3.6% of the money you took in for your campaign….after all, that’s only CHUMP change… you CHUMP
originalpechanga on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
What about that 9 grand that goes to employ people like say housekeepers and lawn services? Guess what, that is what it costs me to hire out both of those services.
Or a portion that goes to higher tips to waiters? I tip a minimum of 5 bucks right now if it’s just me at the waffle house (I work away from home and long hours, it’s typically the only place to get a real breakfast). I won’t be able to afford to be so generous under an Obama tax regime.
Where will my employer get the money to raise wages if corporate taxes go up? We’re looking at potentially an increase of more than the total we pay in wages and salaries right now. Ouch.
This money doesn’t grow on trees, and it’s not chump change.
MMW on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
$250k can buy you a very nice lifestyle in Chicago and most other parts of the coutry. In NYC, though, it is pretty firmly middle class – certainly not poor and no need to complaining, but considering that for a lot of proffionals that means a 80hr/week job, plus if you have munchkins there’s no way you’re sending them to the crap schools, so figure at least $15k per kid for school, and it goes on and on.
Obama isn’t beating up on the idle rich here (not that I’m saying he should) – he’s going after high-wage workers and small business owners – you know, the highly productive folks who keep the economy rolling.
holdfast on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
a chump, who allah? no he’s just annoying
oh you mean bama’? yeah he is a chump for that stupid answer
YRM on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
By virtue of that logic, then why not raise the rate to 42% once it’s 40%. I mean that’s just a 2% point increase…that’s not much. And then raise it to 44%.
AmericanUnderground on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
GAWD almighty this guy scares me to death.
paustin110 on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
Obama continually sidesteps the additional 6.2% OASDI portion of the FICA tax as well–and the 6.2% share that the employer will have to kick in as well. For the employee, alone, it’s a $9,800 tax increase per $100,000 over $250,000.
And staying with, say, college loans. Why don’t more of these schools with extraordinary endowments start coughing up more dough to incoming students? What are they storing up all that money for? And while we’re on the subject, why doesn’t anyone start scrutinizing the expense increase of higher education? It seems to me that it’s far outstripped the rise of most other expenses. Where are those increases going toward–pay raises for Ayers and his wife?
Screw Obama. Exercise your right to vote this guy back to the Senate.
BuckeyeSam on November 3, 2008 at 11:07 AM
$9,000 can buy a lot of arugula…
JetBoy on November 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I told a friend of mine that Obama wants to increase taxes on the people who create the jobs, plans to demand that ALL businesses regardless of size furnish their employees with health insurance, and now it appears that congress wants to tax 401k contributions on their way in.
What’s going to happen is:
1. less job creation. You don’t have the money, you don’t create the jobs. More of a crunch on every family. Over 250k don’t mean much if you have 5 kids.
2. Businesses choosing to go overseas or closing entirely. Can’t afford the demand for mandatory insurance, close the doors.
3. No one contributing pre-tax money to 401k’s since it doesn’t make a difference if they tax it on the way in and the way out. So no money going into the stock market makes the market freeze.
Well done, Dems, you just completely destroyed the economy.
mjk on November 3, 2008 at 11:08 AM
Look, every half dozen or so elections America needs to see for itself how dumb it is to head left. This is one of those elections. Carter brought us Reagan. Obama will bring us … Jindal? Palin? (McCotter? Hometown guy) … who knows. Of course, I’m posting this before McCain shocks us all and wins, so who knows….
e.f. on November 3, 2008 at 11:09 AM
Obama’s lying. He’s going to eliminate the payroll tax deduction, too, for earners over $200,000. That’s another 4%. And 4% + 3%=7%. $250,000 x 7% = $17,500. Chump change? That’s college tuition at a top flight school. Run the numbers yourself. I think that the reason that Obama is splitting the payroll tax elimination from the income tax is precisely so he can sell a 7% tax increase as a 3% increase. If you don’t believe me, read my source, the Wall Street Journal, and do the math yourself.
shazbat on November 3, 2008 at 11:09 AM
$9,000 – that’s a lot of waffles. Pass the syrup.
nitzsche on November 3, 2008 at 11:09 AM
A vote for CUDA_MAC is a vote taken away from CHUMP!
driver on November 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM
By ground up, I think he means we can start planting crops in an agrarian-based economy.
Sort of like the previous economies of the USSR, Cambodia, China, Vietnam, Nigeria and plenty of others.
This guy is a FREAKING IDIOT!
benrand on November 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM
That extra 3.6% wouldn’t be from dollar one, so I don’t know that the $9,000 figure paints an accurate picture.
That being said, I agree with the earlier comments about the uncapped payroll tax being the bigger issue. For years we’ve been told that nobody can screw with Social Security because it’s all about people getting the benefits for which they paid. People who paid more, for a longer time, earned more. Now that ponzi canard is being tossed aside and the program is being turned into the Robin Hood plan that they wanted all along.
vitocorleone99 on November 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM
Dear Leader Obamassiah wants us to be dependent on the government, to be dependent on Him for all of our needs and wants.
He knows what he’s doing, it isn’t just an accident or a slip of the tongue.
rbj on November 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM
So the King Of Welfare — the fancy version that noted the color of his skin and pulled him, undeserved, up into a life of wealth and privilege — thinks that money is “chump change?”
Ask the coal miners, whom he has promised to bankrupt. Ask the workers whose bosses have closed their businesses because that “chump change,” added to all the other disincentives to doing business Osama Obama wants to throw at them.
But don’t ask those who feel they won’t have to pay for gas or worry about a roof over their heads after Obama wins.
This is the Brave New World for “Aunti” and all the others who will be given the benefits of life in America they didn’t earn, and it’ll all be paid for out of our “chump change.”
MrScribbler on November 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM
I’m not known for being a math whiz, but 39.6 divided by 36 (I even used a calculator) is a 10% change in tax payment, not 3.6.
Vashta.Nerada on November 3, 2008 at 11:11 AM
GREAT QUESTION. Answer: There is none! It’s a shame some people couldn’t ask themselves this before voting for such a chump.
RDE2010 on November 3, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Dear Messiah,
When’s the last time a poor person provided jobs for others?
Bottom up? Bullshinola.
Regards,
Hood
Hoodlumman on November 3, 2008 at 11:11 AM
Obama has a labor view of wealth creation with little to no regard for the role of risk taking and capital.
This view is fundamental of socialism and marxism. I’m a gun-clinging idiot redneck Pennsylvanian, but I have a little book-learnin’ outside the Bible, and I remember reading communist literature in College such as “Ragged Trousered Philanthropists” and the labor view was the base upon which all the economic arguments were made.
forest on November 3, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Scumbag POS, this guy is. And to think, this guy represents the entire Democrat Party.
I really don’t like politicians, esp. if they are lawyers.
This country is in need of a true leader in the worst of ways!
Keemo on November 3, 2008 at 11:12 AM
Add to this he’s planning on 1) getting rid of the payroll tax ceiling, 2) get rid of tax breaks on 401ks and 3) raise capital gains taxes…
Quite frankly, if I had over $1million in assets, I’d be looking to Dubai right about now.
bloghooligan on November 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM
If a young hard working kid wants to go to college he should do like everybody else and get a freaking student loan and a part time job. Simple. Why do I have to pay for it?
saltydogg14 on November 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Hmm… MTV. Another hard hitting interview by The One. Is he going to show up on BET tonight?
Sir Corky on November 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM
I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m still always stunned at the flippant attitude the leftists have when it comes to the use of other peoples money.
Bald Igle on November 3, 2008 at 11:13 AM
Wow — our daughter attends college on the other side of the country. $9000 could help pay for her airfare to bring her home for the holidays. Not chump change here. Not that we are at the $250,000 level, but you sure don’t reach it by believing $9000 is chump change either. No, you have to work hard, scrimp and save all you can, and then wait for Obama to take it away and give it to someone he thinks deserves it? I hope not.
wytammic on November 3, 2008 at 11:14 AM
This is a pretty funny cartoon and speaks to how I feel about this election…note to the Major Political Partys don’t do this again.
http://sarah-palin-2008.blogspot.com/2008/11/longest-presidential-campaign-in.html
Dr Evil on November 3, 2008 at 11:14 AM
Sound familiar?
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 3, 2008 at 11:15 AM
Obama’s chump change is a wage for somebody. What right does the government have to tell anybody that $9000 of his money is “chump change”? You earned it; it’s yours. No government thug has a right to stick a gun in your back to force you to give up what you earned with your sweat. It’s unAmerican!
SilentWatcher on November 3, 2008 at 11:15 AM
As Rush said, if the economy is supposed to grow from the bottom up, why aren’t Mexico, Cuba, Russia, and the sub Saharan continent of Africa economic powerhouses?
Equally miserable, except for the few rich elitests in power.
TexBob on November 3, 2008 at 11:16 AM
just out of curiosity…where would the proposed obama tax rates stand when compared to the clinton era rates? its my understanding that the clinton era tax climate, though not as sweet as today’s, was surely easy enough on investment to create its own giant speculative bubble…a huge runup of stock market value…and an increase in real wages.
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM
When a Democrat uses the word “fair”, that’s a heads-up: here comes the BS.
LastRick on November 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM
I probably did the math wrong on my post because the new rate would not apply to all income, but the fact is that Obama’s raising more than just the income tax, and he never talks about that.
shazbat on November 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Barry says I should care more for those less fortunate than me…heh. Last time I checked, I wasn’t allowing any of my relatives to live at the poverty level…
Wyznowski on November 3, 2008 at 11:17 AM
Oh, and one last time. Obama is going to kill S-Corps (all small businesses – most of which make less than $250k). I stand to get an approximate $5000 annual tax increase if the Rangel’s tax bill gets passed. It falls under the heading of “reform”, but it’s really a payroll tax or self-emploment tax expansion.
But he says he’ll “cut capital gains on small business”! Big deal. My business has exactly 0 capital gains income – same as almost all other small businesses.
The only small businesses I can think of that might benefit from that may be house flippers or other speculators/investors.
forest on November 3, 2008 at 11:18 AM
O’s plans for us laid out based on what he’s ALREADY DONE…
http://objllc.com/USSA.htm
UnderstandingisPower on November 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Obama is conveniently leaving out the increase of 8% from the uncapping of Social security tax…
Anti-Harkonnen Freedom Fighter on November 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM
Kudos to Matt from Iowa.
What does Obama know about economics? Everything he knows he learned from Socialists, Communists and tenured college professors who can’t be fired.
For someone whose bitter and highly overpaid wife whined about the cost of fruit, it’s astonishing that he has the fricking audacity to claim that his tax increases are “chump change”. Not only does he raise the income tax rate, he raises their capital gains and dividend taxes, and will fine small businesses if they don’t provide health care to their employees.
But, hey, this friend and colleague of Bill Ayers is a patriot and we’re not.
P.S. Here is Barry saying that he wants to give “tax cuts” to people who make less than $70,000 which ain’t $250,000.
Buy Danish on November 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
What about the increase in capital gains tax. It’s a fair bet that the $250,000 rich guy has some short-term investments in addition to the suddenly-less-attractive 401Ks.
Certainly the $250,000 guy’s parents are relying on some capital gains income. They’re going to be paying 8% more on that income.
I have to hope that enough investors can put enough pressure on Congress to prevent the worst of this.
Ugh.
BananaSlug on November 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Am I the only one who noticed Obama never gave a direct answer to the question? Citing the tax rate under Clinton is a slick evasion. Obama never said what his rate will be. It could be 50% for all we know.
fogw on November 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Add to this: 1) Mandatory health insurance/free health care to all, 2) Get rid of pre-ex conditions on health insurance (employers’ idea, not health insurance) which subsequently gets rid of the people who do that for insurance companies (hello, unemployment line for mjk), 3)All health care all paid for, no matter how poorly (goodbye, medical innovation and new drugs invented in America. hello, crappy gov’t run system).
mjk on November 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
They were talking on Fox & Friends this morning about that Obama actually wants to take it to 42% – a little more change, chump.
And they were also discussing that the top 5% may not be able to support the other 95% — then what? We go from tax increases for “just the families making more than $250K” to families making $120K, as Dem Bill Richardson implied this week? How about down to $80K?
On an aside, I happened to see an AOL poll yesterday that asked “Who do you think is going to win?” I voted and then saw the results — think it was 62% Obama. Then the next question was “Who do YOU want to win?” And the answer was —- McCain, 52%! So what that told me (no expert) was that people may FEAR that Obama will win, based in large part to the media buzz, but they’ll actually VOTE for McCain.
I’m praying that’s so, anyway!
eucher on November 3, 2008 at 11:21 AM
Get ready for “Trickle up Poverty”.
Signed…
Selfish in Colorado.
CliffHanger on November 3, 2008 at 11:22 AM
Question about this statement:
“Instead, it will go to Washington DC, get filtered through ever-growing bureaucracies, and perhaps a tenth of it will actually go to any purpose — if that.”
I’ve tried googling a few times recently to get some data on that topic and have come up empty handed. Anybody here able to link any research on this and/or suggest some specific enough keywords to put me on track? Thanks!
bluestatered on November 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM
I forgot about his plans to raise the threshold for the Social Security tax too. Aw, it’s just chump change.
Buy Danish on November 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM
So I wonder If Matt from Iowa will now get the standard mass media anal probe for daring to ask the One a question that’s not on the approved list? And will MTV go onto the list of black baned media outlets for allowing the question to be asked?
Dreadnought223 on November 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM
+1
You took the words from my mouth.
Obama’s proposals would take a larger bite than Clinton’s taxes.
toliver on November 3, 2008 at 11:23 AM
Or they could just save it. The government will almost certainly invest it in something. Epic fail on basic econ Ed.
crr6 on November 3, 2008 at 11:24 AM
This is all BS.
I won’t worry though cause “The One” will pay for my house and buy my gas.
BobK on November 3, 2008 at 11:25 AM
I think if McCain came out and said “Obama wants to take at least $9,000 from people making $250k”, that even some folks on the handout end of that redistribution would wonder if that was the fair thing to do.
3% more taxes = 3% less investment. I don’t see where that’s hard to understand.
hawksruleva on November 3, 2008 at 11:25 AM
The same old tired economic theories work Odumbo.
Trickle up theory will not work. You cannot make something from nothing.
And you’re not God, dog.
Kini on November 3, 2008 at 11:25 AM
careful Ed you are only one letter away from being a racist in the word chump.
unseen on November 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM
ChumpChimp Change.There…fixed it. This guy is a total Chimp…or does that make me a raaaaaaccccisssst?????
Chewy the Lab on November 3, 2008 at 11:26 AM
the social security, self-employment, payroll , whatever-you want-to-call-it-tax is where most of the Obama increases will be “hidden”. That’s where my increase is going to hit, and it’ll be a big one.
Everyone is hung up on the “eat the rich” income tax increase, thereby allowing Obama’s 5% fiction to continue.
If McCain loses, it’ll be because they didn’t break down the real tax burden increase an Obama presidency will mean.
And we’re all going to get smoked because of it.
forest on November 3, 2008 at 11:27 AM
When the economy doesn’t rebound and revenue is down there is one and only one place for Barry to get the coin….from the U.S. military.
Oh, maybe one other. The scrap-iron sales from crushing your guns.
Limerick on November 3, 2008 at 11:28 AM
$9000 buys an extra assembly line at many a small business, for example, a prepared-foods shop in industrial Queens NY, which would lead to more production, more workers employed by small business, etc…For me, “HOPE” was hearing that my college-age, immigrant Latina sister-in-law will vote for McCain. This demonstrates [to me, at least, she being a "rocker", padre-in-law being a hippie] a groundswell of savvy youth demographic that knows very distinctly [and instinctly] the Obama campaign’s pattern of aggressively targeting youth. But they are smarter consumers than anyone gives them credit for. The ACORN-exposure gambit penetrated this group. What the loonyleft doesn’t realize is that THE LOONYLEFT is viewed as the stuffy and constricting political culture by today’s youth! [IMHO]….granted I’m not a pollster so I can’t back this up with a link…
LibertyBoyNYC on November 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM
By the way, you know what’s chump change, Barry? Your $500 tax cut! That’s what most people will get from your spread the wealth from the bottom up plan.
WHOOOOEEEEE! Lose your job as businesses go bankrupt, but you’ll get $500 for a new pair of shoes.
Buy Danish on November 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Chump Change?
sheebe on November 3, 2008 at 11:30 AM
Obama/Biden: The Chump Change We Don’t Need…
CliffHanger on November 3, 2008 at 11:33 AM
The change is in the marginal rate, so at $250K, one would be paying an extra $1800 a year since Obama’s latest ad states the threshold is $200K (although Biden and Richardson have put it lower).
However, as was pointed out in another post, he has not said for certain what that top marginal rate would be. He also hasn’t nailed down the cap gains rate for that income level. FICA will kick in again, too, so that’s another 6.5% (13% for the business owners).
Welcome to the age of tax and SEND.
Kel-C on November 3, 2008 at 11:33 AM
We are in that bracket and here is what is going to happen if Obama gets elected. My husband and I both work and have good jobs. His is VERY good (upper,upper Mgmt). As I work fulltime and travel for my job too, we have a family who cleans the house 2-3 times a month. That will stop.
Vacationing or short weekend trips will stop. Gifts and gratuities get slashed dramatically or eliminated. HBO gets deleted, any shopping is for basics ONLY and all “luxuries” will go. That includes taking a monthly meal to the Fire Dept in our neighborhood. It means instead of giving to St Luke’s toy store, Marines ToysforTots and Salvation Army for Christmas, we do one of the above. No Angel Tree gifts this year or buying a bag of groceries at Publix every week for people in need. We will buy one, once. It will affect a lot and we are not alone. Not “chump” change, but REAL “sharing” will be affected. VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN!
labwrs on November 3, 2008 at 11:36 AM
I thought “THE ONE” wasn’t giving any more interviews until “The Wednesday After”? He should do more, like all day today and tomorrow. And, don’t forget to let Biden out of the basement so he can open his mouth, too! The lying sacks of sheeit…
Gohawgs on November 3, 2008 at 11:37 AM
This is brilliant in so many ways.
First, there is no evidence that I’ve seen that it is the same people that made $250,000+ under Bill Clinton that are making it now. Younger workers move up. Older workers move out. Sure, if you’ve been making that kind of money for a long time, you might have a lot of money saved. But people move in and out of salary ranges, and they budget for themselves accordingly— not according to what someone else paid in taxes during a different administration.
Second, he’s talking about raising taxes on people making $250,000+, but says it’s ‘chump change’ for people making half a million dollars. Do you see how he doesn’t really address what it means to people NOT making half a million?
Finally, for every year Barack Obama has released his taxes, he has made close to $250,000 or more. Yet he and his wife make speeches about how much trouble they had saving for their daughters for college, paying a mortgage, and paying off their loans. Ditto Biden. Neither of them seem to have had extra chump change laying around when they were making $250,000. I guess life is just so different for everyone one else.
MayBee on November 3, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Steve Z on November 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM
This PUNK attempts to make me feel guilty by not wanting to give more of my money for his foolish, social, programs,”it is selfish to not want to pay more taxes.” I took in and my children and I cared for my dying mother. I lost 36,000 in income to do this for a year and a half. The last year I have worked 2 full-time jobs to recoup this loss. I have been reamed in taxes. I did not dump my mom on the state or in a nursing home. This weekend has made me blow a gasket, as a resident of Massachusetts I now find out I am paying for “The One’s” aunt. She lives on my dime while he is a millionare. He wants me to feel SHAME for not wanting to give anymore of my money while he feels none. I have nothing left to give to keep The One’s relatives in a nice warm apartment, while I have just turned on the heat this past weekend. Obama is a disgrace. He feels no shame or guilt about his fugitive aunt’s circumstances but then has the Audacity to call me selfish.
tessa on November 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM
How many people will overlook the lie is that it’s a 3.6% difference? It’s 3.6 percentage points or a 10% increase.
O/T: Just heard Eagleburger try to make up for his stupid Palin remarks by calling Obama what he is: a con man.
mr.blacksheep on November 3, 2008 at 11:42 AM
Well doesn’t that just suck. I mean, my vote for obama has always been much more of a vote AGAINST palin and a mccain who is all of a sudden beholden to the former agents of intolerance…but that doesnt stop obama from making it harder and harder to stomach every day. Consider me an antagonistic blue dog the minute he’s sworn in.
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 11:44 AM
Michelle Obama was complaining about the cost of fruit while she was earning over $300,000 a year – thanks in part to an earmark Barry sent to her employer which allowed them to give her a great big raise.
Buy Danish on November 3, 2008 at 11:46 AM
Typical liberal elistist snobbery. He knows what is best for us. We are all ignorant in his myopic view. He has never held a LEGITIMATE job in his life. As Joe South once wrote and sang, “Walk a Mile in My Shoes.” And as Joe Biden, the Gaffetastic One, has said, “Gird Your Loins” and go vote against this Socialist and his agenda tomorrow.
kingsjester on November 3, 2008 at 11:48 AM
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