Video: OCA president explains difference between McCain and Obama on coal

posted at 7:15 pm on November 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Basically, Mike Carey notes that John McCain doesn’t want to bankrupt the coal industry. He appeared on Fox in order to make the case against Barack Obama, but the host makes the fair point that McCain also backs cap-and-trade, as well as a move to clean-coal technology. Carey tries to explain the differences:

The differences Carey tries to mention go to both substance and style.  On the former, McCain has made clear in his Lexington Project proposal that he wants to continue using current sources of energy while we transition to cleaner processes and renewables.  Coal has always been a big part of that plan, but McCain doesn’t want to put crushing fines and other cost burdens that would decrease available energy now.

In terms of style, Obama’s offhand remarks about bankrupting coal producers demonstrates a lot of hostility towards that industry.  It’s a revealing moment, as Obama talks casually about killing an entire industry in order to seize the capital for his preferred projects.  Obama now wants to claim that he got taken out of context and that his plans are not much different from McCain’s, but Obama seemed a lot more sanguine about bankrupting energy providers than McCain has ever sounded.

Obama did say that eliminating coal would be an “illusion”, but if he bankrupts enough of the coal producers, he could magically make that illusion a reality.


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Brain Drain.

-o0- on November 3, 2008 at 7:18 PM

Obama ALWAYS claims his own words in his own voice have been taken out of context.

I guess we are supposed to be mind readers as well as drooling followers.

Blech.

tru2tx on November 3, 2008 at 7:21 PM

Is this getting any play anywhere other than on Fox News? There wasn’t a word about it during the local news segments on WOSU here in Columbus. The only election coverage I’ve heard in the last day and a half has been about the number of early voters and potential for lines. No substantive coverage of any issues.

Dead Hand Control on November 3, 2008 at 7:23 PM

Carey’s clearly a racist.

spaninq on November 3, 2008 at 7:23 PM

My question. Can he throw the entire coal industry under that very busy bus of his?

HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Palin cleared in State Trooper Case…did not violate ethics law…Wooohooo!

Sara’Cuda!

HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 7:25 PM

My question. Can he throw the entire coal industry under that very busy bus of his?

HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 7:24 PM

Yes he can! The One can do anything.

aero on November 3, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Is this getting any play anywhere other than on Fox News?

Don’t know about TV, but there were robo-calls from the McCain campaign last night in PA playing Obama’s “bankrupt the coal industry” quote, followed by a rebuttal from the McCain campaign.

It might be too late to make a TV ad out of this, but the robo-calls might sway some coal-sensitive voters in PA and OH.

Steve Z on November 3, 2008 at 7:27 PM

Yeah, Dead Hand, I think Rush Limbaugh talked about it today too ;). I clicked through CNN and a couple of other Obama networks this evening, and all they were doing was covering massive lines to vote in urban areas. They won’t put much energy into covering Obama’s vow to destroy our biggest domestic energy industry when they have McCain voters to discourage from voting with stories about millions of Obama supporters waiting in long lines.

forest on November 3, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Obama did say that eliminating coal would be an “illusion”, but if he bankrupts enough of the coal producers, he could magically make that illusion a reality.

“He thinks he can really do anything – he does. With his own power and will, he can fix it.”

CaptainObvious on November 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Good to see that people are finally acknowledging that McCain has a cap and trade system. Frankly I think that the difference that’s being drawn is more nuance than substanstive. The point is to make pollution economically problematic. Nothing about that bankrupts teh coal industry if they refuse to modernize.

DeathToMediaHacks on November 3, 2008 at 7:31 PM

Obama’s has consistently stated… something.

BadgerHawk on November 3, 2008 at 7:34 PM

Wait! What’s this?

McCain campaign’s last minute distortion of Obama’s coal record an act of desperation

United Mine Workers of America (UMWA) International President Cecil E. Roberts issued the following statement today:

http://www.umwa.org/index.php?q=news/mccain-campaign%E2%80%99s-last-minute-distortion-obama%E2%80%99s-coal-record-act-desperation

misslizzi on November 3, 2008 at 7:35 PM

I like this Idea that we are going to stop using coal and somehow not freeze to death. LOL!

ronsfi on November 3, 2008 at 7:35 PM

misslizzi on November 3, 2008 at 7:35 PM

The UMW likes BO? Well, I’m shocked.

Card check anyone?

forest on November 3, 2008 at 7:37 PM

a repeat from earlier…

Only in America would we shun the largest proven reserves of energy on the planet–our coal. Not only that it is the world cleanest coal to start with. If we allowed the industry through the appropriate tax breaks, incentives to spend the billions necessary to perfect “clean coal” all this related nonsense about energy dependence would disappear. Yes it will take many years but we have to start sometime.

Instead we conjure up cap and trade while embracing global warming/whining and send trillions overseas enslaving our grandchildren.

As a footnote, unless they changed the law, a plant owner who wants to improve his pollution footprint with known technology in a section of his plant is not allowed. If he does he loses his grandfather status on the rest of the plant. This catch 22 makes it economically not feasible to proceed.

patrick neid on November 3, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Voters don’t care about coal. game over

presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

misslizzi on November 3, 2008 at 7:35 PM

To link to stuff, just write out what you want to say, then highlight whatever you want the link to go over, click on the link tab and past in the address.

BadgerHawk on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Palin cleared in State Trooper Case…did not violate ethics law…Wooohooo!

Sara’Cuda!

HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 7:25 PM

Beat me to it. Nice of them to come through at the last minute, huh?

Connie on November 3, 2008 at 7:41 PM

HELLO FRIENDS!

Tonight, all across the fruited plains, Americans are preparing to cast a vote for AMERICAS PAST, IT’S PRESENT and IT’S FUTURE… Men and Women, of every race, every social background, every economic status… They will do thier duty, to honor all those who have given us the ability to participate in this “MOST BEAUTIFUL EXPERIMENT”, this land that GOD has blessed with bounty from Sea to shining Sea… My friends, tonight we pray, we gerd our loins for the battle of our time, our Getteysburg, our Iwo Jima, our Battle of the Buldge… It is OUR TURN! It is OUR TIME! We MUST NOT FAIL to protect and defend the Constitution, the Bill of Rights! To protect our families, our friends, our neighbors… The enemy is at the gate, our time is NOW! Stand with me and FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOMS as so many have done before us… Let’s drag McCain to victory for our COURTS, OUR MILITARY, OUR SCHOOLS, OUR FLAG and OUR RELIGIONS! Sleep well America, for tomorrow we battle for our very lives as Americans, it’s THAT INPORTANT! God bless our efforts, and with his will we WILL PREVAIL against the biggest challenge, the biggest THREAT of our time… Rest well America, for we are comming out by the MILLIONS tommorrow to DEFEND you once again…

Mark Garnett on November 3, 2008 at 7:42 PM

To me, this is the STORY worth puching in the press for the rest of today and tomorrow………his remarks are PURE Demogougary and Marksism

grtflmark on November 3, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Voters don’t care about coal. game over

presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

It depends where you are. After living in WV and Western and Central PA most of my life, I can assure you some people do care about coal.

forest on November 3, 2008 at 7:42 PM

McCain can be brought to his senses. Obama is beholden to radical eco-Marxists.

DerKrieger on November 3, 2008 at 7:44 PM

Voters don’t care about coal. game over

presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Yep, energy doesn’t matter to us retarded citizens.

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omnipotent on November 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM

How kewl is this. Fox News cites Hot Air as a source for the Obama remarks on coal
http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#4f048bf7,2008-11-03

Just A Grunt on November 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Palin cleared in State Trooper Case…did not violate ethics law…Wooohooo!

Sara’Cuda!

HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 7:25 PM

HEY ! This hasn’t even made Drudge !!
I need a link to SOMEWHERE, please !!!
Got an indie to persuade !!

pambi on November 3, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Voters don’t care about coal. game over

presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

You couldn’t be more wrong. Our little power plant here in our little town is powered by coal. It’s a big deal to us.

Glynn on November 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Obviously “The One” was taken out of context…Again. Please…don’t question him any further…he doesn’t have the time to keep explaining what he really means. He has a country to run don’t ya know?

2jazzie lane on November 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Heres link to Palin being cleared. Real rough
http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/index.html#a049468,2008-11-03

Just A Grunt on November 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM

BadgerHawk on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

I tried numerous times but it never works for me. Don’t worry, I doubt I’ll post a link again, especially such a dumb one as that. I apologize.

misslizzi on November 3, 2008 at 7:51 PM

I would really appreciate it if someone in a Battleground state could tell us if the coal story is being played by the local media?

Bulldogger on November 3, 2008 at 7:52 PM

We had the construction of a clean coal power plant blocked here in GA recently by enviro wackos in court. Along with it went all the jobs that would have been created to not only build it but then to operate it.
Coal power is a big deal and the more the liberals block all of these alternative sources the less meaning their arguments have.
The truth is they are working against allowing us to be energy independent

Just A Grunt on November 3, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Just A Grunt on November 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM

Good news, but 4 hours before election day? Good grief.

There’s so much about this election and the media covering that is rotten, I don’t even know where to start.

forest on November 3, 2008 at 7:53 PM

Funny, ABC Radio news went out of their way today to make excuses for Obama claiming this was old news, and of course taken out of context. They went on to reiterate how far ahead in the polls Obama was implying it was no use for Republicans to vote. They need to be taken out.

wepeople on November 3, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Anyone actively trying to suppress the expansion of domestic energy production and usage should be immediately removed from the power grid. Too many libtards believe that electricity is something that just “appears” inside the wall outlet when they need it.

TugboatPhil on November 3, 2008 at 8:03 PM

Just A Grunt on November 3, 2008 at 7:48 PM

THANKS !
If only folks would understand that the Personnel Board was the overseeing authority, it might actually MATTER !
Oh, forgot AUTHORITY… bad word, nowadays !
ARRGGH !!
She knew that all along, bless her heart.
And she’s the ditz ?? LOL

pambi on November 3, 2008 at 8:05 PM

Voters don’t care about coal. game over – presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Nonsense. The certainly care if their livelihood depends upon it. And word of Obama’s planned destruction of this industry is spreading – in spite of the Drive-By media blackout.

You really should try to be more positive, Dubya. People are going to start believing you are really an Obama troll. That would not be a good thing.

ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 8:09 PM

The coal comment will play in the Virginias, Pennsylvania, Ohio, places like that.

Mojave Mark on November 3, 2008 at 8:12 PM

AHHH… here’s a better one (re Palin):
http://www.adn.com/palin/story/577323.html

pambi on November 3, 2008 at 8:13 PM

The girls over at Hill Buzz are really playing this up and sending it all over the battleground states. They love that we have “joined them” in defeating Obamination.

InTheBellyoftheBeast on November 3, 2008 at 8:18 PM

pb, just received my utility bill today with a letter from the Power Company. They tell me that my rates will increase substantially due to coal and natural gas costs. I also live about 30 miles from community that has as it’s major source of local revenue a coal mine. So coal matters greatly to everyone.
VOTE

thomasaur on November 3, 2008 at 8:28 PM

The more I see the wacko left’s plan for America, the more worried I become.

DL13 on November 3, 2008 at 8:38 PM

Voters don’t care about coal. game over – presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

I’d bet that many Americans will start to care a LOT about Coal as we experience Brownouts in the future.

Hopefully, Republican leadership will make a stronger effort to link Energy Independence with National Security.

Red State State of Mind on November 3, 2008 at 8:40 PM

Yeah, voters don’t care about coal, oil, gas, or any of that dirty stuff…except when you can’t afford to put gas in your tank or heat your home or keep the lights on. Other than that, it don’t mean crap.

Obama will start riots if he keeps going down this path as President. We are all getting a taste of the next 4 years and the MSM is fully compliant in this treason.

Wyznowski on November 3, 2008 at 8:45 PM

Mark Garnett on November 3, 2008 at 7:42 PM

Wow! Right on, standing ovation!

Domino on November 3, 2008 at 8:45 PM

more comments and questions regarding domestic energy

Wind Power: If we move forward and build and deploy more wind turbines, will the environmentalists then fight the necessary Rights of Way to get power from the Wind turbines to the Consumers

Oil: What percentage of the royalties does the Federal Government receive from off shore resources versus how much goes to the actual residents of that state?

Nuclear: Will the Congress and the Executive branch work in unison to assure we begin to build new plants now so we can lessen our need for foreign energy sources in the next ten to twenty years? or will it be the same grid lock we’ve experienced for many decades?

Red State State of Mind on November 3, 2008 at 8:48 PM

presidentbush on November 3, 2008 at 7:40 PM

Obama TROLL

( do not feed )

Janos Hunyadi on November 3, 2008 at 8:50 PM

InTheBellyoftheBeast on November 3, 2008 at 8:18 PM
YAHOO !!

pambi on November 3, 2008 at 8:51 PM

Sen. Obama is ignorant, and Sen. Biden is just plain stupid.

Both of them don’t know anything about Energy, coal or clean coal technologies, or what is being done TODAY in these areas. The one effect that these self appointed *Intellectual Geniuses* policy will have is the devastation of the hard work that is going on in a five-nation project to develop clean coal. It’s as much a foreign policy issue as it is a domestic issue.

Tokyo (AFP) April 22, 2007
Japan and the United States will lead a five-nation project to develop a coal-fired power plant which discharges no carbon dioxide inthe air, a press report said Sunday.

The five nations, including China, India and South Korea, are expected to sign a deal this year on technological cooperation for the project, the leading business daily Nikkei said quoting Japanese government sources.
The paper said that Tokyo aims to strengthen its alliance with Washington in the development of technology to control carbon dioxide emissions amid intensifying competition with Europe.

A pilot plant, with a relatively small capacity of about 280,000 kilowatts, will be built in the United States, with each of the four other countries contributing at least 10 million dollars to the project, the Nikkei said.

Most of the cost, estimated to top one billion dollars, will be borne by the United States, with Japan and other participants supplying technology.

The costs of building and operating the new power plant will initially be twice as much as a conventional coal power station. But the costs will be reduced to make the project profitable by the 2020s, it said.

BDU-33 on November 3, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Just another failing of the McCain campaign.

McCain’s op research team must consist of a couple of high school kids who play more Halo than google. Asking other high school kids on Facebook if they’ve heard any Barack Obama rumors doesn’t count.

moxie_neanderthal on November 3, 2008 at 9:05 PM

Obama lies all the time. If the media is only fair in their reporting, Obama won’t even win the primaries. I just wish and hope that the people will realize that before it is too late.

mariloubaker on November 3, 2008 at 9:20 PM

Coal only provides half of our electricity.

Harnassing Obama’s perpetual lying can easily compensate for that.

profitsbeard on November 3, 2008 at 9:49 PM

And Allahpundit to explain why Obama didn’t say what he said and why McCain’s just as bad as Obama in 3, 2, 1…

Come on, AP, don’t leave me twisting, here.

Jaibones on November 3, 2008 at 10:35 PM

“Don’t tell me words don’t matter!”

Besides, we don’t need jobs, we got Obama welfare on the way… big brother will take care of us.

(Big brother being U.S. government, not Obama specifically, I’m no racist, I’m voting McCain because Obama is a socialist freak, liar, flip flopper, questionable associations, no real political record…. oh never mind you get the idea).

Oh yea, I forgot, I criticized Obama so therefore I am indeed a racist…. now where did I put my white robe?

Hog Wild on November 3, 2008 at 10:40 PM

I think that the Office of President is above Mr. Obama’s paygrade!

socalconcervitive on November 3, 2008 at 10:43 PM