Final Fox News poll: Obama 50, McCain 43
posted at 4:49 pm on November 3, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Their last one went 47/44 but that was based on an oddball sample of 41 percent Democrats and 39 percent Republicans. This one’s back to 42 percent Dem and 36 percent GOP. Hence the spread.
The whole election in one table:

Iraq now ranks lower than taxes. Speaking of which, here’s what Maverick’s gotten from weeks’ worth of hammering The One with talking points about Joe the Plumber and redistribution. The columns represent Obama and McCain, respectively. The question: Which candidate do you trust more to handle the issue?

I don’t know how to explain the trend since September except to guess that the “socialism” gambit backfired by focusing attention on Obama’s tax plan and his ever-shifting promise of cuts for the middle class. Another question, possibly germane to this one, asked if Obama’s views are too liberal or about right. Last week’s breakdown: 43/50. This week’s: 40/53. Whether that’s an artifact of the sample or proof that my read on the taxes question is right, I don’t know.
Now for a little good news:

No enthusiasm gap so far, although the greater absolute number of Democrats means Obama’s banked more votes. Hopefully McCain makes it up among undecideds, most of whom probably aren’t joining the cult now if they haven’t joined already.
Finally, this:

In hindsight, I wonder why Team Maverick didn’t follow the Obama playbook and roll Palin out as a post-partisan candidate instead of as the hero of the base. Her social con credentials and Jacksonian appeal are impeccable; she could have gone out there, stumped to McCain’s left, and the grassroots wouldn’t have loved her an iota less. The One relies on that same phenomenon among the left to give him cover when he goes around praising the Second Amendment, calling for more troops in Afghanistan, and opposing gay marriage: Centrists eat it up and the left looks the other way because, when push comes to shove, they don’t really believe he’s sincere. Conceivably, the McCain camp could have packaged Palin similarly, relying on the fact that she’s worked with Democrats in Alaska to make bipartisanship her core talking point instead of the daily attacks on Obama. It would have disarmed the media (to some extent) and helped with independents, women included/especially. What might have been.
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Allah do you think the liberals (and Ru-Paul Supporters) are chumming the waters of the polls?
upinak on November 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
BREAKING
Obama grandma dead
Right on cue
pseudonominus on November 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Still don’t believe it.
DerKrieger on November 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Onward to victory, polls be damned!!!!
Delaware Vol on November 3, 2008 at 4:51 PM
FYI, Allah has had it on the Headlines for a while. Might wanna check that occationally.
upinak on November 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Yeah Yeah Yeah…Polls Polls Polls…
Just go vote! And vote for McCain.
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
The dems won the battle of the message. We have been losing ground for 15 years we just got a few breaks.
I for one hope after 15 years of screaming at the RNC to change their tactics they will start to listen.
Maybe its time for me to push alot harder to get into the RNC. The dems are vulnerable but the RNC has no clue how to exploit it.
William Amos on November 3, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Voting McCain polls don’t mean a thing.
iceman1960 on November 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM
pseudonominus on November 3, 2008
OK – we know. You’ve posted it on several threads, and it’s on Drudge.
Thanks.
Good Lt on November 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Epic fail of polls, pollsters are flabbergasted!!
That’s the headline you will read the day after.
Go here for accurate poll.
Mcguyver on November 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Way to sound like Democratic Underground. You should be ashamed.
MadisonConservative on November 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I don’t know who’s going to win, but I’ll tell you this: it’s going to be tighter than a mouse’s asshole.
jaime on November 3, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I’ll be staying up late on Tuesday expecting a concession speech from Gallup,Rasmussen & Zobgy. They should run again in 2012.
portlandon on November 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM
That last bit of data is mind-boggling. How in God’s name can Obama have that high favorability rating? And Biden? Um…he says dumb crap, and nobody cares.
And to hell with those that don;t like Palin. I’m so sick of people trashing her and buying into what the media is peddling…ugh.
changer1701 on November 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Well, it’s a bit late to be saying what we should or shouldn’t have done now. Even if this is a good reference for the future, by then, we’ll probably need to change our strategy anyways. We will see what tomorrow will bring.
Achilles on November 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Is this the first fatality among those thrown under the bus?
Vashta.Nerada on November 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM
I still think we’re in for a few suprises.
Perhaps the McCain supporters just aren’t home to answer their polling calls because they have jobs.
Republigal on November 3, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Both Obama’s grandmother and his Nevada Campaign Director have died today. The former of cancer the latter of a massive heart attack.
amerpundit on November 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Yes, it is harsh. But after all the BS that has spilled out of the Obama campaign…you have to wonder…did they just release this for the sympathy.
God rest her soul. Obama used her and threw her under the bus.
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 4:56 PM
wellthat makes sense when all the battleground states they released today are within 1 and 4?
These polls mean squat. Obama by 7? No way.
The poll that matters is the one you vote in. I am a former dem and know ALOT of former dems or dems here in central PA that are voting Mcpalin.
I wager MacPalin win by 2.2% overall. and they clear 280 or more.
Have faith in America. Not Polls.
triple-p on November 3, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Hey, while we’re at it, let’s have all of our conservative candidates misrepresent themselves just to get elected! That’s a way to show conservatives put Country First!
/sarc
Y-not on November 3, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Allow me to explain an Obama-slime victory.
The majority of Americans are uninformed TV-watching pop-culture morons. The Republicans have been in power the last eight years. The Democraps have blamed everything bad on Bush/GOP. Even though they share an ample share of the blame themselves.
How?
Did I mention that the majority of Americans are uninformed TV-watching pop-culture morons?
FiveWays on November 3, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Bradley effect… Democrats more likely to participate in polls than Republicans… Hillary deserters supporting McCain… polls are always wrong.
I hope and pray McCain wins, but I’m not too confident right about now.
dalewalt on November 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Why would anyone taking a poll of the US citizenry feel a need to survey more dems than republicans? Maybe because they already know how they want it to turn out? Fox has been a disappointment this election – with the exception of Megan Kelly and Sean.
AubieJon on November 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
They’ll have to ice the broad so he can go the funeral AFTER he oversees the BURNING OF CHICAGO.
seejanemom on November 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
True, but that doesn’t mean they’re not incapable of poor polling. They’re not exactly an established polling service.
jimmy the notable on November 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
These polls placate the typical leftist into thinking that his vote will not be crucial, while they scare the rest of America into thinking they better go out and vote.
All toss up states go red. Remember when a white person is asked whether he will vote for the black guy, or the white guy, which is what these pollsters are asking at point blank range, it is politically incorrect, as a whitey, to answer in the latter. Some things are not said in polite company, or confessed to strangers. So polls have never been as deceptive as they are in this election. But behind that voting booth curtain, the voters are free of that embarrassment. That is why Obama will get a heck of a surprise tomorrow.
keep the change on November 3, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Cheer up, Allah. I promise not to rub your face in McCain’s victory on November 5. Try to stay sober at least until 11 PM tomorrow night so you can better savor the moment.
ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Could we hold off on the questioning of timing and jokes about her death? This is Hot Air — not Daily Kos, Huffington Post, or DU. We’re supposed to value life.
amerpundit on November 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
I thought it, and you said it, Pseudonominus. You think they’d resort to plug-pulling for a sympathy pull? I mean, God Bless The Woman; but it IS worth meditating over.
LibertyBoyNYC on November 3, 2008 at 4:59 PM
***seejanemom wets her panties giggling***
seejanemom on November 3, 2008 at 5:00 PM
I’d add in Cavuto and Hume.
Y-not on November 3, 2008 at 5:00 PM
DISMOUNT, already…..geeeez
seejanemom on November 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
I hear John Kerry is selling McCain Depends now.
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Remember: The pollsters need not be conspiring to skew the results (though that’s always possible). They can only report those willing to respond, less than 20% of those contacted in some cases.
I’m confident that among the sort of person who’s available and willing to respond to polls, a slightly greater percentage claims to be supporting Obama. But that’s about it.
jazz_piano on November 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Are these the same morons who delivered a Reagan landslide in 1984 – when all the pollsters were predicting a Regan defeat? Those morons?
Buck up, soldier. Get out t he vote for McCain. Make calls. Send emails.
Make it happen. Let’s bring this shit HOME.
ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Polls are good for vaulting with or dancing around. The only tally that matters is tomorrow.
McCain FTW!
cannonball on November 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
http://tinyurl.com/669s5d
Rasmussen gives Obambi a 6.5 point lead in democrat registration over GOP registration.
Assuming that the parties are even, then the 4.5% national advantage (and God willing the 6% PA advantage) is meaningless.
The fox news poll has the same thing. 6 point Dem advantage. But also leave 22% undecided out there. Crazy. Maybe it’s true, but if the numbers are wrong, and historically, they are…
Maverick wins.
joeindc44 on November 3, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Please, people. Quit talking about Obama’s grandmother. Its embarassing.
jimmy the notable on November 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
What is it made out of Tomato hemp plants?
upinak on November 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
I love Cavuto. My favorite on Fox. I will miss Hume, but he keeps it real. I HATE his little roundtable though, with the exception of Krauthammer.
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
If he gets elected, we will all hope to be so lucky. /snark
Fozzy Bear on November 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
I admire your optimism but honestly my hopes are very, very slim right now. With grandma’s death too a lot of people are going to get emotional and vote for the O. Sorry to say that.
clemycali on November 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
And no one thought the Americans would win the Gold medal in hockey against the Russians in 1980. (coincidence intended)
ebbtide on November 3, 2008 at 5:02 PM
Yeah, they’ve been troopers. Fred Barnes, however, was insufferable during the debates. I wrote him a nasty email and he responded by lumbering me with a free email version of Weekly Standard every week.
AubieJon on November 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Fox wants to prove themselves with the MSM. I guess they are so embarrassed that they are considered the republican go to station.
Notice how O’Reilly is slobbering all over Obama. He disses the MSM but he is exactly the same way.
If FOX does not clean its act up, they will lose conservative viewers. We only have conservative blogs and talk radio.
jencab on November 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM
It has a pocket for those little Heinz travel packs, in case you get stuck on the can
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM
And Allah is a moron. Forget that there is a 6 point spread in party ID and there is still only a 7 point lead.
MobileVideoEngineer on November 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Anyone who vote on the empathy charge… deserves what they get.
period!
upinak on November 3, 2008 at 5:03 PM
more good news:
While young voters make up 11 percent of registration they represent only 9 percent of turnout to date – the exact same percentages they were in 2004. Despite the intense media focus on young voters this year and the efforts of many campaigns to motivate young voters, they are not turning out in any higher percentages than before.
In addition, young voters (18-25) are underrepresented in the turnout of all three major parties.
unseen on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
By the bucketful. No doubt about that.
ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Grow up, already.
MadisonConservative on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
This is one screwy election.
So ok, who’s taking care of the grandmother thing? Does he have to fly back there? Why do I feel guilty for not voting for him now? God bless the womans soul but we must move on.
I hope McCain says a little something.
johnnyU on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
The Gallup model has Obama getting 99% of the black vote. This is impossible. 89-90% maybe. What is with Pollsters skewing polls into what they think will happen in a first time black candidate? I know atleast 3 black voters who are voting for McCain because of Abortion & Taxes.
portlandon on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
If it were Kossites saying this about John McCain’s mother right now, we’d all be slamming them as classless slime.
amerpundit on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Nah, I don’t think it will make a bit of difference. We win.
jazz_piano on November 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM
But, she’ll be voting tomorrow, anyway…
trigon on November 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Get off that farking ledge, you silly Romanian. Geez, if this keeps up I’m gonna have to sedate you.
ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Concur on the PAULTARDS churning the waters…
seejanemom on November 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM
McCain Wins Florida, Ohio, Penn, Virginia—-Sweeps the West Pollsters, Michelle’s kids hardest hit.
Rovin on November 3, 2008 at 5:05 PM
I think the polls are in for a surprise too. If the polls end up being wrong like I think they are, I may have to submit some stuff to failblog.
dengar007 on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
AP, you’re a jerk.
benjamin on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Agreed. It’s nothing to joke about.
dalewalt on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Agreed.
The Race card
The Bush card
The Crisis Card
The War Card
Now the Sympathy Card
Sounds like a full house to me. These Democrats really have pulled all the punches.
leetpriest on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
And you are correct, sir.
ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
The only poll that counts is tomorrow’s.
thare on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Was this Obama’s white racist grandmother or another one?
BigD on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
On a more serious note, my sympathies to the family on her passing.
trigon on November 3, 2008 at 5:06 PM
Allah, I love ya like my (insert here) but polls are not my thing. To much trolling and chumming on them.
As for those who are even bothering to post about B.H.O.’s grandmother. I put on another thread that this will be a tear jerker of a Election. Which it will be….
If you vote for someone because you feel sorry for them, you should have a “sucker” for a head and Peggy Noonan can lick your face.
upinak on November 3, 2008 at 5:07 PM
These FOX polls are nonsensical. This national poll shows a 7-point spread in favor of Obama yet the battleground polls show essentially a statistical tie with the largest single state spread being 4 points in favor of Obama. There is no way; even through some perverted weighted averaging you could extract a 7-point spread form the battleground statistics. This means that the additional 3-point spread shown in the national poll was derived from the inclusion of states other than the battleground states. What are those states and why hasn’t the media discussed them? These polls are mathematical garbage and are serving no purpose other than discouraging McCain voters and possibly suppressing the vote. FOX and the rest of these idiot media entities need to cease and desist with their phony polls.
rplat on November 3, 2008 at 5:07 PM
I don’t remember him ever apologizing for calling his grandmother a racist in his book. Did he?
Blake on November 3, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Hey, we’re not joking about it. Besides, her grandson, the Messiah, said much worse things about her….
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
They have. Too bad McCain’s holding a Royal Flush. Game over. Bambi loses.
Make it happen, people.
ManlyRash on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
So, in other words, the polls follow the party politics. The more Democrats you poll, the better Obama does and the more Republicans you poll the better McCain does. We have spent all this time and the country has spent all this money to come up with that answer?
I know people who hare voting for Obama for one reason: the $300 check they think they will be getting in the mail. Once the Democrats win some idiot told me, we will be all right, we won’t need a job. Oh yeah, that will go over with the people who do vote.
I don’t know what to think. I am just going to vote.
Terrye on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
From when he chose to opt into public financing, even though his opponent wouldn’t, I could tell McCain wanted to hold onto some amount of integrity.
He couldn’t very well send Palin to left of him (personally I don’t think she could’ve pulled it off) because it would be a cheap lie.
It would be like Obama sending Joe-Joe out to tout his Catholic faith…oh wait.
Scranton on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
DEAR GAWAAWD, maly….WILL YOU PLEEEEEEEEEASE SEDATE ME?
At least THROUGH tomorrow…a nice long drug induced coma until Thursady when the fires in Chicago are out….yeppers. Thats my fondest wish. I already voted absentee….just a widdle narcotic nappie….
seejanemom on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
But the Kossites would be trashing John McCain nonestop and saying he’s near death–hence dump McCain. The media would be joining in too.
IR-MN on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
God love ya. Stand up for Rovin everybody!
Fozzy Bear on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
WTF? Everyone should be smiling and going to bed with thoughts of victory … just remember the polls from the last two elections. Just remember that polls just aren’t a reliable indicator of the electorate … and for God’s sake, just go vote and do it with a smile.
darwin on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Testing…
I love Palin… Screw me and the rest of elitists like myself…
Palinpuma on November 3, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Those weren’t morons. They were rock-ribbed conservatives, not McCain left weight poseurs grasping desperately to the right at the eleventh hour.
Fletch54 on November 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM
AAAHHHHMEHHHN
LibertyBoyNYC on November 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Ack! I could have slept well tonight without that picture in my head.
AubieJon on November 3, 2008 at 5:09 PM
No kidding!!
That’s Obama’s typical white grandmother remember?
No sympathy for white people…..
Mcguyver on November 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM
I really just lost a lot of respect for many of you. You all must be a lot younger than I thought.
Brat on November 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM
The Biden gambit works for Obama because Obama’s party base believe (correctly) he is lying about being a centrist and is really a leftist.
A comparable Palin gambit would not work for McCain because McCain’s party base believe (correctly) he is lying about being a conservative and is really a centrist squish who wants to grant 20 million Mexicans American citizenship.
Palin had to run right because McCain needed the credentials. Obama does not have the same problem.
So, “what might have been” simply makes no sense. This may be the best of all possible worlds. Only the Lord knows. We may hope to find out in good time.
Flea on November 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM
UH…but they ***ARE***.
But I understand your ***ahemmisplaced*** sense of priority. ;)
seejanemom on November 3, 2008 at 5:10 PM
I know… I thought that was the whole point of their strategy was to point out that, as Republicans, they were more Democrat than Obama and provably so! But that all seemed to be forgotten.
Skywise on November 3, 2008 at 5:11 PM
upinak:
I doubt that Obama’s grandmother’s death will have any impact on the race. Old people die. It happens.
Terrye on November 3, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Wow, seejanemom.
I see why you claimed you didn’t talk about God in that chat a moment ago, and aggressively told me to cut the “crap” about my particular interpretation of religious faith, which is deism, the belief in God with a corresponding belief in religious texts.
I admit there was a debate that proceeded it that you may have objected to and even found tedious. Fair enough. It was to me too. But you seemed to object to the actual discussion of God or my faith itself (on a thread largely touching on abortion) even when that debate was set aside.
That is at least in part because you are absolutely disgusting.
Not only do you latch on the most base of descriptions and call Obama’s grandmother a “broad”, but you make a vile gleeful joke about giggling with your panties wet as a result.
What you have written is so evil when a woman has just died, a woman you do not know, it’s not that I just hold you in contempt, it’s that I feel “spiritually” — to the degree I believe in that notion — dirty to be in your presence.
Your nickname has the name “mom” in it. Perhaps you are one. If so, I offer these words of hope for your offspring: It’s true that children model parents. Sometimes, however, children transcend their parents and develop a finer sense of morality, a more noble character.
Your words and the “thoughts” behind them are so horrible they are beyond my ability to add to or detract from with more commentary.
Christoph on November 3, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Neil is great, but my heart belongs to Brit. Old war horse. Neil is a little too “dapper” and Wall Street for my tastes. He’s smart, but I can’t relate to him as well as Brit.
The other person who was a pleasant surprise was Greta Van Susteren. She’s come a long way from being a celebrity trial reporter.
Y-not on November 3, 2008 at 5:12 PM
50 to 43 means nothing, what matters is the battlegrounds.
This is ALSO on that SAME final poll, but no attention from HA, and you don’t have to go digging for it, it’s right there on the main page:
State – Obama – McCain
CO – 51 – 47
FL – 49 – 50
MO – 49 – 49
NC – 49 – 50
OH – 49 – 49
VA – 51 – 47
Am I on crack, looking at the wrong poll, or is that what we should be watching? I must be looking at a different poll than AP is looking at…
JustTruth101 on November 3, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Eh. The FoxNews polls from this summer have Hillary and Giuliani winning the primaries. Their polling is no less flawed than everyone else’s.
Tanya on November 3, 2008 at 5:12 PM
I will pray for Mrs. Dunham and her soul. The fact that her grandson is a Marxist and hates America aside.
VOTE
thomasaur on November 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Brat:
My mother died on November 6, 2000 while the nation was counting chads. Do you feel sorry for me?
Terrye on November 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
That was hands down the best comment I have read/heard/seen anywhere in how they should have played it out with Palin.
A Axe on November 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
With a 43 / 50 margin – from Fox (trustworthy poll). Is it still possible for McCain?
MovieMaker on November 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Everyone should be making phone calls in PA and VA!
Visit:
I just made 100 phone calls.. and yes, I’m bragging!
Make those phone calls!
Mac is back.
savant on November 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
I start to think FOX overcompensates in order to look balanced.
Project Ocelot on November 3, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Get over yourself, you pompous bag of self-righteousness. Geez.
HornetSting on November 3, 2008 at 5:14 PM
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