Are you planning to use those weapons defensively or offensively, tocoloro?

jim m on November 3, 2008 at 6:35 PM

I’d say it depends on the outcome of the election.

Either way, they will be needed.

Classic mob-practice, by the way, the entire basis of organized crime.

Pelosi keeps a box of “favors bestowed” which she then calls-in at some future time useful to her own political goals. Same thing practiced by, say, John Gotti.

And read up on Communism in Italy, which is Pelosi’s inspiration by what she’s revealed about herself. So, of COURSE she uses the excuse of being “Catholic,” because it’s cover and allows her reduce her blink rate somewhat. This type of moral corruption is difficult to confront, but confront it the rest of us need to.

2. To change the Constitution will take more than “power Trifecta” – it takes votes and states.
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Socialism has happened here and still goes on – limitedly. Fascism still has a way to go for a real foothold here.

kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 2:41 PM

All it takes to effectively “change” the Constitution is to consistenty or “progressively” defy it, to not enforce it, to contradict and insult it without penalty.

Which is what the Democrats have “progressively” been doing and which Obama gets cheers from his advocates for advocating, by the way. He uses the whole hopey/changey evocative, “preacha’” talk street-walk-strut stuff to entice and flame evocatively and, people forget the principles and then just: “oh, well, it’s what feels good, so that’s what we’re doing, people are happy, all that matters.”

Same thing Castro did, same thing Hugo Chavez has done, same thing, ahem, Adolf Hitler did.

The principles of democracy are cast aside and in steps the evocative “preacha’” talker stage personality, and, then, the few who stand back and say, “what about our Constitution” are soon just taken out of society by one means or another.

That is exactly what Obama’s process is, what Pelosi’s ongoing process is as she and Rahm Emanuel have set goals upon, that’s what the Progressive Democrats are, they’re Socialists, in other words, sneaky, low down Communists.

But they “sound nice” and “look pretty” so they fool the gullible…

“The price of freedom is eternal vigilence.”

The Catholic Church in the 20th century has a strong force for left of center thought on virtually every major issue; anti-war, pro-welfare, anti-big business, pro-union, anti-death penalty, pro-immigration, and pro social-justice. So Catholics are not bucking their Church when they vote democrat. – keep the change

Bah. I am a Catholic and no Catholic I know is as you describe. The only ‘catholics’ I know as you describe are found on the internet harping about Obama and other liberal nonsense.

And, those ‘catholics’ you describe ARE “bucking their Church”. There is no association in their quasi-humanist “interpretations by feelings” (so to call it) which they then allege to be “catholic” and the Catholic Church.

IF they were associated with the Church, they could not in any reasonable conscience promote and support the various politics that they do.

Interesting is that the American Catholic Bishops have been criticised by the Vatican for just about everything, and they are responsible for the replacement of the Church in the U.S. by pretenses using the name of “Catholic” to defy what the Church believes theologically.

I’ve encountered more than a few ‘catholics’ on the internet who claim to be “life long Catholics” and claim they’re “devout” and do various rituals and whatnot, yet, when asked on specific issues, reflect an opposite position on those issues than what the Church advocates.

But, in my personal experience, I know of no Catholics who are as you describe. I’ve met more than a few people who fall back on having been raised in the Church by Catholic parents and thus, identify as Catholics when they are not, clearly, in relationship with the (actual) Church, but with some sort of cultural pattern (which is humanism, not what the Church is about).

I have my differences with Liberal parishes, however, as a Catholic, in their use of donations to fund what they deem “assistance” that services many Liberal, political causes. THAT’s the problem of a wayward “American Catholic” Church, which Pope Benedict is addressing, thank God.

If you remove the responsibility and individual culpability for conditions, it’s then easy to start holding and demanding something or someone else responsible for just about everything, ad infinitum. It also helps defray self examination, or, exercise of personal conscience.

In Obama’s case, for keen example, as a liberal, note his associations with the “church” he intentionally sought out and selected: usery. It provided HIM with something he could use for worldly gain. I do believe his few statements about his “faith” are false but largely just vanity. He can “use” the statements and so he does.

If Catholics had been on board the pro-life bandwagon from the beginning, we’d have already overturned Roe by now. Most Protestants have found themselves at odds with Catholics in fighting against abortion since they legalized it. I’m not expecting ‘great things’ from the Catholic community toward a more conservative political outlook.

I’ve always wondered why Catholics were Democrats. I guess it’s the organized labor of religion which makes them support the organized labor of politics. — Thacker Agency

It’s the same as wondering why Jews are Democrats and vote for Democrats (self destructive behavior).

There are a lot of people who expect “government” (or, parents, or a spouse, or their family or their neighbors, or schools, or their bosses, or…) to do what they themselves should or ought to be doing as individuals.

The whole expectation if not demand that government “do” while defying allegedly ascribed to theology as individuals is commonplace among…liberals.

In fact, it’s what separates the Socialists from the rest of us. A religious tag or “cover” tends to help them ease their own conscience, or, avoid dealing with issues of conscience, in my experience.

Thus, the blame and responsibility is always placed outward. Which is contrary to Judeo and Christian theology.

hypocrisy… such a lovely biblical trait…not.

TOPV on November 3, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Ignorance – such a typical liberal trait. Thanks for not disappointing.

just continue to hide pedophile priest, support unrepentant adulterers who abandon their wives, a woman who pimps her fornicating daughter and it’s all good…

hypocrisy… such a lovely biblical trait…not.

Edward Morrissey and Elizabeth Scalia have written an open letter to their fellow Catholics reminding us that the foundation of our faith and of social justice is the sanctity of human life, and its origin. I highly recommend that all……

It is my sincere prayer that the Obamysteria that seems to have swept away all reason and considered discrimination during this election will not lead to a culture further debased and less able to provide the freedoms and ooportunities that have allowed us ALL to thrive.

Todah rabah again to the authors, and /salute to the commenters.

Baruch HaShem!
MD

Bishop Vasa, Baker, OR: “When we were working on the document ‘Faithful Citizenship’, and the issue of whether or not a person’s adamant pro-abortion position was a disqualifying condition, the general sense was ‘yes that is a disqualifying condition’.”
“When we have someone who has that stand on a disqualifying issue, then the other issues, in many ways, do not matter because they are already wrong on that absolutely fundamental issue.”
On proportionate reason he said: “If we had a candidate in favor of a war in Iraq in which we decimate the entire population and we kill as many civilians to impose as much terror on everybody as possible to make sure . . . If that was in opposition to a pro-abortion person then I’d have a real conflict of conscience because you’d have a direct and intentional killing of innocent persons on one hand and the direct and intentional killing of persons on the other hand,” said the Baker Bishop.

“But we don’t have that issue with capital punishment; we don’t have that issue with the war in Iraq; we don’t have that issue with the present Administration,” he added.

I really appreciated his including of the present Administration in that last, as so many Catholics and people in general use the current Administration as a reason to vote against McCain.

If nothing else good comes of this nightmare of an election, at least it has forced the issue of abortion into the forefront where it should have been for the past 30 years. I just pray that we don’t allow it to fall back into the dark again, no matter who is elected.

His socialist “leanings” are also contrary to Church teaching.
jrendini on November 3, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Thank you! Pope JPII and Benedict XVI have spoken very forcefully against Marxism, calling it evil. And yes, they have also spoken negatively about capitalism, but they discuss the ‘excesses’ of capitalism only. And they are right, but they never say that capitalism is inherently bad. But Pope Benedict, then Cardinal, wrote:

Where the Marxist ideology of liberation had been consistently applied, a total lack of freedom had developed, whose horrors were now laid bare before the eyes of the entire world. Wherever politics tries to be redemptive, it is promising too much. Where it wishes to do the work of God, it becomes not divine, but demonic.

And Obama’s wrong on so many other things, as well. He also distorted the Sermon on the Mount to support homosexual relations, which contradicts Church teaching. He has ties to people who are either terrorists, or racists both of which the Church teaches are gravely evil. He advocates ‘comprehensive sex education, which goes against pretty much everything the Church teaches about sexuality. The Dems are the ones who do all in their power to remove all signs of Christ from the public arena. Heck, even the old standard ‘Democrats are the party of the worker’ doesn’t apply these days, what with the Employee Free Choice Act.

I just don’t get it. How could people be so deceived?

Could it beeee…Satan? /Church Lady impression.]

Joking aside, I have also prayed more than normal, and I typically pray pretty often. I’ve been praying the Divine Mercy Novena, tonight being the ninth day, and I’ve been struck by how much each intention has fit in the last eight days. Tonight is dedicated to those souls who have grown lukewarm. How immensely fitting.

Vince on November 3, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Hey Vince,

Glad to hear my experience isn’t necessarily typical but, here in Louisiana, Catholic Charities is the big winner from the Catholic church.

I’m not necessarily the best messenger but I wouldn’t hesitate presenting the “Protestant case.” I could point out all the ways McCain is the better choice from a Protestant Christian viewpoint. But, what’s the point without headline status? When I weighed in on thread a Catholic told be that Protestants view communion as a silly little ceremony without meaning. There is absolutely no point in me making the Protestant case unless the analysis is at the top of the thread and serious.

Gotta tell you- that whole silly little ceremony comment by some supposedly devout Catholic has had me riled up for weeks.

I appreciate your passion. My Catholic parish is very involved with “Habitat for Humanity”
Ed is Catholic so it’s only natural that he give a Catholic opinion in this manner. If you want to present the Protestant case, go ahead!

The vote “no”, pro-abortion “Campaign for Healthy Families” (hah!) has been in hot water for its advertising. One ad was forced off the air because it incorrectly portrayed the application of initiated measure 11 on Twin-Twin Transfusion Syndrome. Another ad was yanked when the “Campaign for Healthy Families” was served a cease and desist order by the South Dakota Medical Association and one of SD’s larger health providers.
We’re praying that life prevails!

We have been joined this “MORNING IN AMERICA” by PUMA’s, Reagan Democrates, RHINO’s, Conservatives, peoples of all faiths, of all social backgrounds, of ALL races, arm in arm, shoulder to shoulder, clinging to our God, our Guns, our Flag, our Constitution!

We are looking up at a huge mountain, with a fortress of the far left radicals inside awaiting our attack. The Socilialists, protected all the way up the hill by the MSM, and with Pundits blocking our paths, the task is daunting and will require all of the effort a human can muster!

But we are bolstered by our faith, comforted by that still small voice inside… Fortified by the knowledge that from our efforts here today our children and thiers will grow up in a FREE, PROUD, STRONG AMERICA… The America of our Founders, of our Grandfathers and Fathers, of our FALLEN HEROS who gave it all for our RIGHT TO FIGHT TODAY!

Drawing comfort from our friends, family, church and our mission we march onward, “RUSH”ing up the hill, tossing aside all the Pundits, embarrasing the MSM, confronting the radicals and leaving them wondering what hit them…

VICTORY AWAITS for all those willing to lay it all on the line today! Are you ready? Will you fight? Will you vote?

LET’s ROLL!