An open letter to our fellow Catholics on Election Eve
posted at 12:15 pm on November 3, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Our Faith Begins At Life
by Edward Morrissey and Elizabeth “The Anchoress” Scalia
Many of our Catholic friends support Barack Obama in the upcoming election, despite being the most radically pro-abortion presidential candidate in American history. Other Catholics have publicly declared support for Obama as Catholics, arguing that their faith leads them to choose Obama over the pro-life candidate, John McCain. We believe that they have overlooked in their arguments of “social justice” the foundation of our faith and of social justice: the sanctity of human life, and its origin.
It is not our intent to argue legalistically from the Catechism to our brethren. We have both covered that extensively in posts over the last few months. We want to remind our parishioners of the central fact that social justice has to start with the protection of innocent human life, and that our faith does not allow a trade between abortion and other social-justice policies.
A few months ago Doug Kmiec, a former official with the Reagan administration and prominent Catholic, made a public endorsement of Barack Obama and stated that Obama’s noble intentions on a full range of social issues made the Senator’s stance on abortion negligible. As Obama addressed every injustice, righted every wrong and wiped the tear from every eye, Kmiec seemed to reason, all of the complex social ills of the ages, from poverty, to war, to the death penalty and human rights would be suitably resolved and abortion would simply fall by the wayside as an issue.
Except, Obama has said himself that his very first act as President will not be some sweeping anti-poverty legislation; it will not be an end to war. “The first thing I’d do as president” Obama told NARAL, “is sign the Freedom of Choice Act“.
Kmiec’s argument might sound compelling to some – Denver’s Archbishop Charles Chaput admits to having reasoned similarly about Jimmy Carter in 1976 – until one considers Obama’s priorities. Under the heading of “human rights” Obama has made it clear – despite suggesting that the question of when a baby gets human rights as being “above” his “paygrade” – that in his mind a “woman’s right to choose” is a most basic human right; a singular priority. So passionately does Obama believe this that the Senator, who rates a perfect 100% with NARAL, unhesitatingly supports the procedure known as “partial birth abortion,” – an act so nakedly inhumane that his own running mate voted to ban it in 2003. And beyond that savagery, Obama has clearly articulated his position that a baby born alive during an attempted abortion should be refused medical attention.
Logically, then, a President Obama – whose presidency, we are told, will usher in a heyday for fundamental human rights – will always support abortion, even at its most extreme, even when its very definition changes to infanticide. We have already seen Obama protect infanticide in a disturbing attempt to protect abortion in Illinois, and nothing he has said since shows any change of heart on this question.
The “abortion reduction agenda” which Obama mush-mouths and others, like Kmiec, seem to interpret as they wish, is a kind of “trickle down social economics:” once poverty is eradicated – presumably through higher taxes, higher energy prices, higher unemployment and the redistribution of wealth – once all of the priorities of war, famine, capitalism and injustice are taken care of (this would include absolutely ensuring “a woman’s right to choose” in any circumstance) and all the complex and messy matters of humanity have been sufficiently resolved, well, then the abortion issue will simply melt away.
Excuse us, but we see this as nothing more than fantasy – the mirror image, in fact, of another fantasy, one that holds that a reversal of Roe v. Wade will simply “solve the problem” of abortion. In each case, the fiction is misplaced because it refuses to look at the human heart. President Bush said in 2005, “a true culture of life cannot be sustained solely by changing laws. We need most of all, to change hearts.” He was given grief for that by some pro-lifers, but he was quite correct. Abortion has always existed, and it will always exist, as long as something remains broken within the human heart.
Even beyond this, though, consider why the Church supports social-justice issues. Our faith does not emphasize fighting poverty and oppression as mere Boy Scout merit badges, or to give Catholics something to do on the weekends. The emphasis on social justice springs from the foundational belief that all human life is sacred, anointed by God for His purposes, and not ours. The need for social justice is for us to recognize the spark of divinity in all of us.
What does abortion says about human life? It reduces it to commodity, and values it based on convenience. If that is what we think about human life, then that rejects the entire idea that God created humankind at all, let alone for any divine purpose. Without that fundamental understanding of the faith, then all kinds of horrors become possible — abortion, euthanasia, genocide on massive scales, war for acquisition, and the exploitation of the poor.
Why care about the poor if humans have no divine purpose? If we can kill millions of our offspring without a second thought, why not leave the poor to their own devices? Abortion represents the ultimate rejection of God and God’s plan.
And bear in mind that Barack Obama is no moderate on abortion. The FOCA will federalize the question of abortion with the specific intent of striking down every moderating state law concerning abortion: parental notification, waiting periods, term limitations, and information requirements will end with its passage. It will also re-impose federal subsidies of abortions by repealing the Hyde Amendment, forcing taxpayers — including Catholics — to pay for the abortions of others.
The question, then, boils down to one of reason: does your reason tell you that Sen. Barack Obama – a mere human being with a thin resume and a seeming propensity for shutting down, punishing, intimidating or otherwise harassing those who do not fall in line (through the force of government, if possible) – is going to heal the human heart through his social programs and his redistributionism?
Matters of the heart are never resolved through worldly machinations. More importantly, to expect a human man – who because he is human carries within him another broken, imperfect heart – to successfully, righteously and most of all disinterestedly resolve issues which have tested mankind for thousands of years is to assign onto him inhuman abilities; this smacks of idolatry and thus flies in the first and most fundamental priority of a believer: to have no gods before the One, the Creator.
Catholicism does not reject reason for faith but demands integration of the two, and prayerful discernment, before taking any action.
One’s vote should come after weighing reason.
Reason tells us that a human fetus is a human being and as such deserves inclusion into the whole notion of “human rights.” A candidate with consistent notions of human rights should be able to acknowledge that.
Reason tells us that an “abortion reduction agenda” is inconsistent with the stated priority of signing into law a sweeping, tax-payer funded abortion-rights legislation.
Reason insists that an ideology embracing the idea of genocide – whether that means eliminating people conceived with an extra chromosome or of wiping a sovereign nation off the map – is a warped ideology that is inconsistent with a commitment to human rights. Reason wonders why an electorate is not permitted to hear what a presumptive president might say to some such ideologues, and reason becomes very uncomfortable.
Reason tells us that one human man will not eradicate poverty. One human man will not eradicate war. One human man will not distribute justice to the nations. History is pockmarked with the graves of those slaughtered to the ambitions of human men who have tried to perfect and justify the world, according to their lights.
Barack Obama – inconsistent though he be – is no Hitler, or a Stalin or a Pol Pot. However, developing a fanciful notion of Obama’s ability to do and be more than man has ever done or been before – based on nothing more than a bit of charisma and an highly overprotective press – is to surrender, rather than apply, one’s use of reason.
Tomorrow is Election Day. By all means, each of us must vote for the candidates we believe will best serve the nation. ACORN aside, you only get one vote. Before your pull the lever, take some time to consider whether you have really applied your God-given gift of reason to it. And as Catholics, consider carefully which candidate best fits within our view of human life and God’s purpose for it.
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Life always wins.
Trig Palin is an example.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on November 3, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Preaching. to. the. choir.
Trent1289 on November 3, 2008 at 12:17 PM
What confuses me most about the religious right in this country isn’t that their religious faith is bound up in their politics. It’s their assumption that their religious faith is the only way to be a “true” Christian. It’s religion, not science. It’s faith and belief, not certainty. The whole point of religion is that you have faith, not objective, scientific standing for your understanding of the cosmos. So why can’t people just accept that their version of faith means that things like abortion, gay rights etc, are critically important and lots of other people’s faith traditions don’t include those as top priorities. It doesn’t mean anyone loves Jesus less does it? I just don’t think Americans really care for this kind of stuff anymore.
DeathToMediaHacks on November 3, 2008 at 12:18 PM
I’m not Catholic. But I do say Amen.
LibertarianConservative on November 3, 2008 at 12:18 PM
God Bless America
BigAnge on November 3, 2008 at 12:18 PM
If Catholics had been on board the pro-life bandwagon from the beginning, we’d have already overturned Roe by now. Most Protestants have found themselves at odds with Catholics in fighting against abortion since they legalized it. I’m not expecting ‘great things’ from the Catholic community toward a more conservative political outlook.
I’ve always wondered why Catholics were Democrats. I guess it’s the organized labor of religion which makes them support the organized labor of politics.
In fact, I haven’t heard a single higher up Catholic support McCain. Any Bishops, Priests, or whatever supporting McCain? Who does the Pope like?
and most importantly WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION IN A SECULAR GOVERNMENT?!
I really wish someone could explain it to me, but I am not holding my breath. I generally expect Catholics to have completely opposite political views from me (lifelong Conservative).
ThackerAgency on November 3, 2008 at 12:19 PM
All other rights flow out of the primacy of the right to life. Should we surrender on this right, we surrender on them all.
God help us.
Fozzy Bear on November 3, 2008 at 12:20 PM
Ed, as a Baptist I salute your letter.
Abortion is not why I don’t like Dark Barry (though it would do in a pinch, considering his hideous views). It just adds to evidence how he sees the world.
I honestly do not know how anyone who professes to believe in Jesus Christ could vote for the man. I’m no theologian, but even a short, cursory read of the Bible reveals that God does not like people harming children and innocents. He called the “putting their children through the fire” something that He did not even think of!
I believe I’d shy away from something that God would not even think of and makes Him so angry that He lists it ahead of just about everything else as worthy of wrath.
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
My husband is Catholic, he gets it.I am glad to see Catholics fighting for their values. Now, where are the letters from Rabbi’s? I am Jewish and I am outraged at the silence from the religious community, and even more outraged by the support for Obama from the majority of American Jews- however, there were jews who supported Hitler for his economic promises! Shame in Yiddish: SHANDA
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
From one Catholic to another: thank you.
Red Cloud on November 3, 2008 at 12:23 PM
yeah what does it matter what the bible says anyway? just call yourself a ‘christian’ whether you’re a muslim a buddhist…whatever.
amazing.
right4life on November 3, 2008 at 12:24 PM
I ask the same question of Catholics who support bho as I do Jewish American’s who vote bho. I do not understand their mind set.
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letget on November 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM
the problem has always been most people dont know the difference between a life issue and a standard of living issue
rico101 on November 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Social justice is only important because life is important. Otherwise, justice within society is misplaced and irrelevant.
Abby Adams on November 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Yesterday My priest did a sermon about All Souls day and used the word “hope” so many times…I thought it was a tacit endorsement of Obama. Before he ended mass he reminded the attendees to vote. I thought finally he will say to vote pro-life. Instead he said, “vote.”
We need priests that will tell it like it is!! I was so upset.
I just want Catholics to take to heart the teachings of the Church.
jencab on November 3, 2008 at 12:26 PM
my wife was in front of the hussain rally in n/w indiana, with signs that read “what part of thou shalt not kill!”dont you understand???
when you also know this is the first republican my wife will ever vote for, it is this issue that remains secluded that obamaites know nothing about.When confronted with the truth, they think its simply not possible. My wife has converted 5 idiots back to the realm of respectfulness, all of them in her family, and i am soooooo proud of her.she and all her family members have voted democratic since the mid 60’s, and now they all seem to agree that this is not the democratic party of our parents.
wow
We live in Indiana and are all voting McCain. My 6 dependants will also be voting McCain,as our service men and women are dying for our right to vote.My depandants can form an opinion, as soon as they have their own place, own food, own cars,but until then, do as i say :)
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM
McCain/Palin 2008!
Seven Percent Solution on November 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Catholic dittos and thank you.
Bernadette on November 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”
When I stand before my maker, I for one do not want to have on my record that I voted for a pro-infanticide candidate like 0bama.
Princeps on November 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Anybody who missed this stirring video, it’s perfect for the day before the election.
RushBaby on November 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Ed,
At the protestant church I attend, our pastor showed the Catholic Election 2008 video, noting that we stand with Catholics on the issues of life and marriage.
INC on November 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Never before has Catholic teaching been so twisted, bastardized, and openly repudiated and ignored. Catholics are quickly becoming their own popes and willingly separating themselves from the one, holy, catholic, and apostolic church. While this is inexplicable in light of the jeopardy they place their souls in, it is a sign of the times. The utterly false and completely disingenuine arguments for Obama are literally an act of defiance, not loyalty or reason. For those Catholics who willingly disregard the Church’s teaching by voting for Mr. Obama, I pray that God converts these Catholics to Catholicism one day. For those who are uninformed, lazy, and/or coerced into votes for Obama, I pray that the Lord may bestow on you a backbone. For all Catholics who vote for Obama, I pray that you can overcome the just and sure self-loathing that will overtake you when you must explain to every aborted unborn, every euthanized sick person, and every snuffed embryo used for selfish and unnecessary research, why you chose the way you did. May God have mercy on us all.
GoodSamaritan on November 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM
That’s the one we saw.
INC on November 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM
I am not Catholic however I approve of your message. See you in the re-education camps if Obama wins.
skatz51 on November 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM
As a Roman Catholic I blame all those Catholics who vote for Obama, more than any other group in America. There is absolutely NO WAY you can support this abortionist and still call yourself a Christian, much less a Catholic.
The majority of the problems in The Catholic Church have their roots in the Liberal infestation of the faith. There is a brewing civil war within The Church. This election could really ignite it.
FiveWays on November 3, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Thanks Ed and Elizabeth!
I am proud of the Catholic Church for taking a firm stance on this issue. We do care about the least of these, and the most innocent who need protection. This will make a difference, and I believe Catholics will pause and think about this issue.
This is not just about abortion, but about Infanticide and Obama wanting to sign the “Freedom of Choice Act”. It is about a radical frame of mind, and ideology that will not just end with abortion or infanticide. I fully expect it to extend and expand to those in nursing homes, the handicap, those that are not capable of producing something valuable to the state. Yes, I see Obama’s position as being so radical that it is reflective of one once implemented in Germany, or the Soviet Union, and currently in countries like North Korea and China.
freeus on November 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Hallelujah brother! (though I’m not a Catholic, I mean that sincerely). Please pass this message on to EVERY Catholic you know. There’s still time to win hearts and minds.
jbtripp on November 3, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Because it has nothing to do with having a secular government and everything to do with voting blocks. The Catholics represent a voting block as do the Jews, Muslims and Atheists. My question would be why do people band together into blocks rather than thinking for themselves. I’m personally bewildered as to why any Catholics would vote for BO considering his position on abortion. I would think that being pro abortion would trump any other social views because lets face it if there are not people then all your fabulous social programs are for nothing.
jmarcure on November 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM
amen!
JeffreyLloyd on November 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Speaking as an atheist, let me say, “Amen!”
I can understand why people believe in God, but why people think Barry O is the Messiah escapes me completely.
saint kansas on November 3, 2008 at 12:33 PM
BO and McCain are in a linen closet in a hospital. A nurse brings in a baby that has survived an abortion.
Know what we know about these two men, which one would leave the room saying “Lets not waste our time on this problem”.
Which one helps save the baby?
We know the answers to both. Vote with your conscience.
joepub on November 3, 2008 at 12:34 PM
INC on November 3, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Well said. All people of good will should stand together. On matters of life, there shouldn’t be disagreement.
Laura in Maryland on November 3, 2008 at 12:34 PM
The only abortion that should be allowed will be done at the polls tomorrow when Obama is aborted from consideration.
The mandate that life is the most precious gift God has given us will prevail.
Rovin on November 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM
um, no it doesnt.
reason doesnt tell us ANYTHING about that kind of stuff…which is why deciding who to vote for is best done by weighing those issues that CAN be addressed in a reasonable fashion.
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM
skatz51 on November 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Don’t say camps…it makes me really nervous
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Well said, Ed (and “Anchoress”!)…I can say as a Catholic myself, I couldn’t even imagine voting for Obama…and it goes far beyond his abortion stance.
JetBoy on November 3, 2008 at 12:36 PM
I never understood how an individual could claim to subscribe to all of a faith that has strictly been pro-life, pro-family, and one has stood up against many immoral issues, can go, without guilty conscience, and pull the lever for a candidate such as Barack Obama.
It is truly mind-boggling.
Aurvant on November 3, 2008 at 12:36 PM
This is one of the reasons why I love Sarah Palin so much. A woman who herself has been in a position where she was told she should have an abortion but chose life instead can speak to people on this issue in a way that Bush or Reagan never could.
It amazes me how some who identify themselves as pro-life have duped themselves into believing that Obama will help to stop abortions from happening. This is like saying Jack Kevorkian would be a good person to stop the practice of assisted suicide.
This election is the most important one the pro-life movement has ever faced. If Obama is elected, abortion will be legal for decades to come. We have to decide whether we are a culture of life or a culture of death (that masks itself as convenience.)
VanPalin on November 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
It has to do with what the Democratic party was 30+ years ago. I was watching EWTN the other day by chance. It was a talk show with 2 older priests. This subject came up and one of them said that growing up in his day in NY, being Catholic and a Democrat were one in the same, but things have changed dramatically and he’d never vote for a Democrat again…
This election has gone a long way toward changing the perception of the parties I think. We’ll have to wait and see.
TheBigOldDog on November 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
My husband is Catholic, he gets it.I am glad to see Catholics fighting for their values. Now, where are the letters from Rabbi’s? I am Jewish and I am outraged at the silence from the religious community, and even more outraged by the support for Obama from the majority of American Jews- however, there were jews who supported Hitler for his economic promises! Shame in Yiddish: SHANDA
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:21 PM
This has been terribly frustrating to me as well. I don’t know how Catholics and Jews can live with themselves if they support Obama- these are not “minor” issues. Smells like hypocrisy to me.
anniekc on November 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
NO CATHOLIC CAN VOTE FOR OBAMA AND STILL CALL THEMSELVES CATHOLIC. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. END OF STORY.
FiveWays on November 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
obviously it does. when do you think life begins, or is that above your pay grade? its REASONABLE to think life begins at conception…can you think of a better time?? hmmmm??
right4life on November 3, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Sure it does. Maybe not to you, but have you used reason to analyze your position on life issues?
Abby Adams on November 3, 2008 at 12:38 PM
The only abortion that should be allowed will be done at the polls tomorrow when Obama is aborted from consideration.
The mandate that life is the most precious gift God has given us will prevail.
Rovin on November 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM
PRICELESS
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 3, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I’m a recovering Catholic and I agree.
For someone like Obama saying he’s for the little guy, then why isn’t he really for the little guys and girls?
I wouldn’t be surprised if honor killings are not far behind.
Kini on November 3, 2008 at 12:39 PM
I am at odds with my Jewish community. I have Palin stickers all over my car. Needless to say, after Yom Kipper, I was not the most popular Jewess in town! Shanda!
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:39 PM
ernesto,
Reason does not take away from the Necessary. Reason has nothing to do with Love, Honor, Liberty, and all the other intangibles except as an observer and quantifier.
You are using Reason apart from its intention. Reason is exactly why you need to look at things such as when life begins and what is quality of life.
Apart from those questions, Reason is simply a mechanized tool. It helps explain “Why”, it is not itself “Why.”
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM
Awesome letter and summery of a God-centered world view.
To DeathToMediaHacks, consider that just as our nation’s army fights on behalf of it’s collective citizenry, so do ProLife advocates fight for the protection of all unborn babies. It’s not, at its most basic level, a religious issue. It simply requires that we be willing to fight to protect innocent life, even when that life is temporarily residing in someone elses uterus.
LEBA on November 3, 2008 at 12:41 PM
ThackerAgency,
You have it 100% backwards. In the 1970s, most conservative protestant groups were not pro-life. The SBC in 1971 famously concluded: “That we call upon Southern Baptists to work for legislation that will allow the possibility of abortion under such conditions as rape, incest, clear evidence of severe fetal deformity, and carefully ascertained evidence of the likelihood of damage to the emotional, mental, and physical health of the mother”
But by 1981 concluded: “That we support and will work for appropriate legislation and/or constitutional amendment which will prohibit abortions except to save the physical life of the mother, and that we also support and will work for legislation which will prohibit the practice of infanticide.”
There’s an interesting story of how pro-choice protestants became strongly pro-life in the 70s/80s due to a few activists (names escape me!) and the influence of Catholic teachings on life. The Catholic Church always — always — has been pro-life and provided a coherent, well-reasoned theological basis for pro-life conservative protestants to win that internal argument.
The Catholic Church does not support particular candidates. But if you’ve read any of the recent statements from Catholic bishops (like Chaput) they’ve excoriated Biden and Pelosi for their views on abortion.
NYCcon on November 3, 2008 at 12:41 PM
No offense to you or the Anchoress, Ed, but Bishop Finn of KC is cleaning up already. :D
Vatican Watcher on November 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM
I tried once, but i got sidetracked by a problem i could not solve.
If we know today that a specific genetic disease that shortens lifespan by 1/2 is associated with gene x being in the wrong place…and we can both determine AND fix that defect in utero…does it then become a sin of omission NOT to fix it, even though it amounts to genetic engineering?
Its that kind of logical problem that keeps me from bothering to logically analyze the so called life issues.
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 12:45 PM
It truly is scary. What’s to stop them from saying that life begins when your brain stops growing? Or at puberty? Or when you pledge your allegiance to the Dear Leader?
“Choice” isn’t a choice. Your “choice” is to either have an abortion or have an abortion. If they could, the Left would require it because it’s “empowering.”
crazy_legs on November 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
I wrote an open letter to Catholics Voting For Obama on Oct.19th. I’m a bit more blunt than you guys:
http://rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com/2008/10/open-letter-to-catholics-voting-for.html
Rightwingsparkle on November 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Bingo.
Bob's Kid on November 3, 2008 at 12:46 PM
There’s plenty of blame to go around in Protestantism, too. We’re fighting the same misconception of social justice as you are.
Ed and Elizabeth, and the all of you pro-life Catholics, we thank God for you and your willingness to cry out against this injustice. We’re so encouraged by your stand.
May God have mercy on me and my nation and forgive us for this shed blood.
jazz_piano on November 3, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Dear Captain and Anchoress,
The top issue as I go into the voting booth (to vote once and only once, as is both my right and duty) will be abortion. In my mind — my informed conscience, as it were — will be the various Doctors of the Church — not the doctors viewed by Pelosi or Biden, but the real ones.
Some issues are far more important than others.
You know how I’m going to vote.
unclesmrgol on November 3, 2008 at 12:48 PM
BeththeBaker – I have marveled at Jews especially who say they do not believe in God. Granted, I’m a Baptist and my first thought is – well, you are not really a Jew then. (I also marvel at people who call themselves Christians and do not believe that the Bible is true, but that’s another story…)
I think on this issue you and I can agree – fear God and protect the innocent. When it all comes down to it, He talks most of all about taking care of them.
The only thing that is wiser is fearing Him in the first place. It is nice to find that the Conservative wing of the Republican tent is a pretty big place after all!
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Has there been a substantive decrease in either teen pregnancy or abortion under the Bush Administration? Does electing pro-life people actually lead to less abortions?
DeathToMediaHacks on November 3, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Bishop Finn:
FiveWays on November 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
I haven’t been a Catholic for 25 years, since the runaround I got trying to find a church for my wedding. My parish church was a 70s activist church that had redecorated, moving Jesus from the cross to a yellow blob on the wall. They also added orange shag carpeting – yuck! I wanted my wedding in a traditional church. I even asked the church where my parents were married, no dice, I wasn’t a member of the parish. So we got married in the Methodist church of my in-law’s neighbor. He was happy to marry us. Ironically, we’ve been married almost 25 years and my sister, who was married in the Catholic church, was divorced after 3 years.
I quit going to Mass weekly, then gradually only did Christmas and Easter. It wasn’t long before we never went, except for weddings and funerals. Now even my parents, both raised in Catholic schools, never attend. We all see the hypocrisy of it. Here in CO, most of the Catholic churchs are pro-illegal, Spanish-speaking, lefties.
I’m actually moderate in my views on abortion, but think that abortions after the first trimester should be illegal and find Obama’s protection of infanticide abominable. Instead of preaching abortion as birth control, preach birth control or better yet, abstinence.
Common Sense on November 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Fool, right to life… it’s the first Creator endowed right in the Declaration… you defend it regardless or you surrender all rights to the whim of the state. That’s why we’re having this discussion about a voting block voting conscience not party.
The government has no authority to arbitrarily decide at what point human rights are extended to humans. It is human life, it has human rights. Done.
Fozzy Bear on November 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Today is All Soul’s Day. All Soul’s Day is a Roman Catholic day of remembrance for friends and loved ones who have passed away. Perhaps we should also pray for those who never got to be born.
Tommy_G on November 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
You’ve never read the Bible, have you. The whole thing, not just the convenient parts.
MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2008 at 12:49 PM
SEND IT TO ALL THE SOUTHERN BAPTISTS TOO!!
UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 3, 2008 at 12:50 PM
The Catholic church wholeheartedly admits that much of the bible is figurative, not literal, and intended to teach a lesson, not provide a history. The Pope himself recently addressed an evolution convention stating that belief in god need not conflict with empirical science. That literal bible business is far from a catholic thing, and thus, your idea that to be christian one must find the entire bible to be literal truth is astounding.
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM
Yes, abortions have decreased. Partial-birth abortion has been banned. Most importantly, with another 2-3 Supreme Court appointees, we can dismantle Roe v. Wade, state by state if need be.
But we must pray for God to change hearts, too.
jazz_piano on November 3, 2008 at 12:51 PM
ThackerAgency:
One of the cultural differences between Catholics and most Protestant denominations is that Catholicism is often, to its practitioners, as much an ethnic identification as a faith. As many as half of those people who claim to be Catholic in opinion polls haven’t been to Mass in years, leaving them out of communion and in a state of mortal sin. True Catholics – those who actually go to Mass and try, however imperfectly, to live the gospel – are much more likely to be staunch defenders of a pro-life agenda. There is a nasty liberal infection in the church – it gave us the recent scandals for one thing – but great leaders like Archbishop Chaput are helping to turn that around.
In the meantime, each of us Catholics – and all Christians – have a responsibility. We all have access to hearts we can change today – those in our own family. Start there, and in those little ways we can change the world. That is hope and change that you really can believe in.
gl_thecatholic on November 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM
Well said. An issue I feel is being overlooked in this election.
blanchkie on November 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Yes, rates have fallen:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1705604,00.html
joepub on November 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
On Sunday at my parish, our priest was boldly pro-life (as always) and quoted our bishop, who strongly supports life too. Catholics must vote pro-life or stray from the teachings of the Church. There is no issue of more importance in America today.
Mulligan on November 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 12:48 PM
Amen to you… I can not figure out why these people at my conservative synagogue, who only attend during High Holy day services, shout that they are jewish, hold resentment against the Christians for trying to “convert” them, scream at any hint of anti-semetism and yet, vote for the party that is so anti-Israel. maybe I’ll become catholic.
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Great post, Ed.
Mr. D on November 3, 2008 at 12:54 PM
maybe I’ll become catholic.
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Tommy_G on November 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Exactly. Just as our ranks are full of RINO’s, the same can be said of the Catholic religion. CINO’s if you will. I’ve said it for years, believe whatever you want. But don’t call yourself a Catholic. Make up some progressive new name and start a new church. You. Are. Not. Catholic.
Keyser-Soze on November 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Ernesto – what is the reason for the genetic engineering?
To become God or simply alleviate pain and suffering? You think God is against medicine? He gave it to us in the first place. It is Man who uses tools for good or ill. If it were possible to do something that can help a person live a fuller life – then it can be done. Nothing can be done apart from God’s will. (Tough concept, but there it is.)
Now if you want to “become as gods” then you are in for a world of hurt; otherwise, it ain’t a problem.
Does that help your logical problem? If not, feel free to let me know and we can discuss it if you truly want to.
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
More Catholic dittos. Thank you both for this letter.
inviolet on November 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Ed, and Christians of all faiths, I hope you’ve seen this inspirational presentation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61wj4tJICcc&eurl=http://secondcitysarge.blogspot.com/
mike in NV on November 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
Tommy_G on November 3, 2008 at 12:55 PM
My daughter is in catholic pre school… I live in the middle of cow pastures in mid georgia.. I am so angry at the only synagogue in my area(which sadly, my great grandfather started but it is dying as we speak) that I asked the Father at the church if he could do a Bar Mitzvah for my son!
beththebaker on November 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Earnesto,
The Bible is literal truth. It would not matter if even the Pope decided it was washed up gibberish. The Holy Spirit has made it known otherwise, no man or angel can refute or destroy it. Distort it? Oh yes! Because it is distorted in the hearer’s mind – not the Word itself.
I’m not a Baptist theologian, but I do know what the Bible says. Literally true, because it hinges on “He is Risen!” If that is so, it is all so.
(Sorry for the off-topic, but I was asked)
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Abortion will never be justified. It is ANTI-LIFE, there is no play on words that will ever change that.
Capital Mess on November 3, 2008 at 12:59 PM
I’ve always felt that life began at retirement.
MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2008 at 1:00 PM
from a non-Catholic surrounded by Catholics voting for Obama, thank you for this post!
But this goes to the ‘pick and choose’ your rules religions of today. No fear of God and his moral authority. Just punch your card on Sundays and you’re good to go.
And I don’t get my Jewish friends and their support of Obama. Don’t they see that he’ll have no problem letting Iran do what it wants with Israel?
NJMaire on November 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I have experienced that frustration at several parishes, too; however, there are many that do proclaim the truth fearlessly and are trying to bring beauty back to the liturgy. Pope Benedict has stressed the need to make our churches places of worship again, not just meeting places or concert halls which is what a lot of them feel like. The Church still stands for what she always has, and though I realize it’s hard not to, don’t judge it by those within it who reject what is true and good.
VanPalin on November 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
This was a very well written and reasoned letter.
Sadly, as long as pro-abortion politicians like Pelosi, Biden, Kerry, Kennedy and Mulkowski openly make a mockery of church dogma without consequence, the “faithful” will vote for pro-abortion politicians. Suggest you follow this letter with a similar one reminding American Bishops that they are first and foremost shepherds of souls, not receivers of federal grants.
BitterClinger on November 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
I am a catholic and I believe in protecting a woman’s right to choose abortion. I also believe in a person’s right to commit suicide should they choose. That is what it means to have true freedom. But I guess the founding fathers and I are in the minority that feels strongly in the separation of church and state. The meddling in people’s personal affairs is the type of government I DON”T WANT.
PeteTheFloridian on November 3, 2008 at 1:01 PM
Here in PA I am disappointed that Dan Rooney, one of the owners of the Steelers has endorsed Obama. I don’t know where his Catholic values have gone…..
joest73 on November 3, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Thank you both for posting this.
Obama’s abortion and infanticide record is a disgrace.
gatewaypundit on November 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
That only applies to the Penteuch, and certainly not to the new testament.
MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
its evolution that conflicts with empirical science. the whole notion of ‘junk dna’ for example….its not junk.
right4life on November 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
So because the new testament (quite a bit older than the old) states fact, than the old must as well? As far as im concerned, what Jesus taught is present in the great commandment and the sermon on the mount. THATS the truth of the bible. the old testament fables, genesis, exodus, all those mundane laws in deuteronomy and numbers…thats simply not literal. if you really think so, then would you touch a menstrating woman? i mean…the bible says they’re unclean…do you keep kosher? those damn swine will send you straight to hell!
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM
you have a great blog! hope you don’t live in st. louis city…if they find out the union boyz will be paying you a visit in the dark of night…
right4life on November 3, 2008 at 1:04 PM
My family is full of devout Catholics and we’re all voting for Obama. My mother teaches sunday school and my father runs a weekly bible study. We all feel that the Catholic church is much more in line with Obama’s platform. The church is pro-union, and social programs, and very anti-business. Pope John Paul supported Lech Walensa in his efforts to unionize Polish workers. So uhhhh NO CATHOLIC CAN VOTE FOR MCCAIN AND SILL CALL THEMSELVES CATHOLIC. END OF STORY 111
crr6 on November 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Beth – (not saying this sarcastically at all) there is always room at the Cross if you want.
I’m not sure that everyone in any group has thought carefully about what that group believes. I know of just as many Baptists (as Catholics) who have not given any thought to what they truly believe and what their particular denomination teaches.
I have heard of professors in seminary even who question the Virgin Birth or the Deity of Christ. My first question would be “Why are you a Christian then?”
It is not a social club, but an declaration that you have realized that you are a sinner in need of a Savior. You are doomed to eternity and cannot save yourself. In deciding that Christ is Who He says He is – then admitting that and asking that He be your Savior – then you are a Christian.
The rest of it is Reason and Learning. First things First. That is why I cannot fathom anyone who calls himself or herself a Christian and does not accept the basic tenet of Who they believe in.
Earnesto, that is why I believe in a literal Bible. How else can we know the truth? We are deceived in our own minds; therefore, our own reason cannot help us there.
kybowexar on November 3, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Sign them up. We need all the Catholics we can get.
Old Buddy on November 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM
and if you disagree with slavery, then just don’t own one.
MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM
hate to tell you, but the same Jesus who said the sermon on the mount, is the Angel of the Lord in the OT..He gave the law, and inspired the prophets.
right4life on November 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM
So do you keep yourself from touching unclean menstruating women? should the life agenda include the rest of the bibles teaching on unclean women and swine etc etc?
ernesto on November 3, 2008 at 1:07 PM
You’ve covered about 1/5th of the old testament here.
MarkTheGreat on November 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Religious conservatives need to re-evaluate their hesitancy on economic and defense conservatism. Too many just emphasize the life issues, because they believe that big government handouts (”compassionate conservatism”) keeps with the Christian’s duty to give alms to the poor. Pope John Paul II even criticized capitalism, in a speech given in Latin America, as being a morally wrong force.
And I think as a theological matter, that’s wrong. The evangelical and Catholic communities would do well to revisit the works of Neo-Calvinists, who argue essentially that free markets reflect and celebrate the glory of God’s creation, and are NOT simply emblematic of avarice and greed.
We need the Christian community to support Republicans. But Christians have to understand that in matters of national government, economic and defense issues MUST come before these social issues. The primary focus of government is econommics and defense, and NOT gay marriage and abortion. That’s not to say those latter issues aren’t important and don’t deserve a place at the table, but frankly they should not be emphasized so heavily. And I’m concerned that running a giant “public letter” on why you should vote against Obama because of his abortion position simply caricatures this problem.
Rant over.
Outlander on November 3, 2008 at 1:08 PM
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