Obama: We’ll bankrupt any new coal plants

posted at 10:40 am on November 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The folks at Naked Emperor News have unearthed another interesting nugget from a Barack Obama interview from months ago. In January 2008, Obama spoke about his approach to global warming and cap-and-trade systems, and he had a warning for anyone foolish enough to invest in coal:

So, if somebody wants to build a coal plant, they can — it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they are going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

Yesterday, we looked at Obama’s notions of government sending “price signals” to change behavior that it finds objectionable, especially on energy.  This is the way Obama intends to do it.  Coal provides 49% of domestic electrical power, and any rise in the cost of producing that energy will raise its cost to consumers and reduce the amount produced.

This comes as no great shock, pun intended.  Obama already called for a 15% reduction in demand for electricity — at the same time he and his allies want transportation to switch from gasoline to electricity.  Obama never explained this particular contradiction.  How does one switch tens of millions of vehicles from gasoline to electricity while not Increasing demand, let alone by cutting it 15%?  And when trying to break free from a recession, the nation will need greater production in energy, not a reduction.

The coal-based economics of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states will be the first to feel this new policy.  Let’s hope the voters there pay attention.

Addendum: If anyone has a transcript from this interview, let me know.

Update: Free Republic transcribed this video (via Gateway Pundit):

Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them.

I’d still like to get a transcript of the entire interview.  I believe that the San Francisco Chronicle interviewed Obama in January of this year, but they have no transcript on their site.  That seems very odd for a newspaper interview, especially one in which they’ve posted video.


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Another gift from God!! Use this McCain!

JellyToast on November 2, 2008 at 10:43 AM

The coal-based economics of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states will be the first to feel this new policy. Let’s hope the voters there pay attention.

I suspect they already have, Ed. Word travels quickly in these communities. I doubt Obama will mine very many votes there, pun intended.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:44 AM

The usual concerns: is this going to just buzz around the conservative blogs, and maybe get on talk radio, or will it find its way into the MSM, or at least the local media in the coal belt swing states?

If someone can dig out email addresses for the relevant affiliates, I’ll be happy to mail them…

I’m also mailing the McCain campaign and RNC.

EnglishMike on November 2, 2008 at 10:45 AM

Economic bankruptcy. Forget about “clean coal” because there’s no such thing according to an Obama presidency. Cap and tax mining industries into literal bankruptcy. For every business bankrupted by socialism are multiple unemployed American citizens. The only new jobs that Obama proposes will be his Socialist Services: his own ideological goon squad that will match or bust our military in budget before training, and illiterate/uneducated government employee positions dedicated to augmenting the perpetual welfare state.

There is no scientific basis for the Socialist diversionary propaganda converting public opinion to believe in global warming (it’s cooling!) or man-induced global climate change that in turn becomes a tool in the radical authoritarian hands of Obama & cult to legislate, rule and enforce economic Stalinism in America. Open letter from The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley to Senator John McCain about Climate Science and Policy.

People who swallow public popular opinion in order to be part of the “in” crowd never amounted to anything more than opportunistic abusers, particularly when they refuse to read original source documentation to credit legitimacy vs. hype.

Jesus had his own explanations of this. People are willing to swallow a camel but choke on a gnat. They are also too willing to mutilate others with social programs, while protruding beams are stuck in their own eyes they stick dirty fingers into others’ eyes to dig out a mote. Jesus had nothing compassionate to relate towards abusive users who leave stumbling blocks to deny the innocent of salvation; execution: drown, hung by millstone and cast into the deep. Those who swore their “good intentions” were cast into outer darkness and deprived relief because they abused the suffering (Lazarus) to remain within the needy state, failing a charitable process to enable an individual to adapt with personal responsibility into productive success. Furthermore, those who enforce others to pay higher taxation in order to provide what personal charity would accomplish, that very charity which enforcers themselves lack, can not claim to have done “good” even as they abuse Jesus, feigning the good shepherd’s works as their own, calling him a Socialist in order to simultaneously excuse and edify themselves. “But we did great works in your name!” cried Billy Goat Gruff to the Lamb of God.

King of Kings
Prince of Peace
The Anointed One
Lamb of God
Son of Man
Good Shepherd
Counselor
Son of God
Almighty and Everlasting Father
Socialist

As Hillary Clinton put it, that requires a willing suspension of disbelief. That implies Jesus reincarnated as Marx, whether figurative or literal, definitely spiritually, doctrinally and now usefully. Whether or not “Christianists” filled with antipathy refuse to accept Black Supremacy Liberation Theology, now Jesus=Socialist. Submit to your radical authoritarian lord and master. Just try to stop the demise of your traditional Constitutional government. Spiritual bankruptcy.

maverick muse on November 2, 2008 at 10:46 AM

McCain needs a good ad blitz now.

JellyToast on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Imagine if the MSM had done their real job for the last 20 months. This fraud would never have gotten this far; let alone the nomination.

ej_pez on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I any fellow commentators live in the coal producing or coal burning regions of this great country, then I suggest you cut and paste Ed’s article into an email and send it out to friends and family and neighbors.

We are THIS close to stopping the Obamanation. Let’s pull together and get McCain over the finish line.

Make it happen.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Like any of his “plans” have any basis in rational thought and mathematical reality. He and Ayers don’t want people to learn, they want them to submit .

bbz123 on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Dear god. This guy will put the final nail in the coffin of capitalism

lodge on November 2, 2008 at 10:48 AM

This is more than just mining. It is also railroads and shipping. Include VA in the list of coal states, especially with transportation support.

huckleberryfriend on November 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Today is the 60th anniversary of Truman’s upset over Tom Dewey with the famous headline in the Chicago Tribune of “Dewey defeats Truman”. Time for a repeat performance!

PatMac on November 2, 2008 at 10:49 AM

Do these idiot democrats realize that taxing the companies, they are taxing us? Businesses don’t pay fines, they pass that along to the consumer! Cost of doing business FFS!

This guy despises America.

rightside on November 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Imagine if the MSM had done their real job for the last 20 months. This fraud would never have gotten this far; let alone the nomination. – ej_pez on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

True, but no time for “what ifs” now. Time to get McCain elected. Make calls, send e-mails, drive neighbors to the polls.

The McCain Surge is beginning and it’s up to us to sustain it and bring this ship into port on Tuesday.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM

This will be on the air by the end of the day.

csdeven on November 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM

And yet the UMWA seems to be against McCain and for Obama: http://www.umwa.org/index.php?q=news/mccain-no-friend-coal-op-ed

Why are they unhappy with McCain (other than being a Republican, of course)? Because he’s been against mountaintop coal removal and for nuclear power.

Why for Obama? Because he “is from a coal state” and supports clean coal.

eforhan on November 2, 2008 at 10:50 AM

Are there any 527′s that might be able to get an ad together? Maybe we can help get this on the air – a few bucks might be helpful.

huckleberryfriend on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Dear god. This guy will put the final nail in the coffin of capitalism – lodge on November 2, 2008 at 10:48 AM

Then it’s up to you and me and other Americans who love their country to stop him.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

I voted early for McCain and I got my 3 brothers who never vote to go vote for McCain. I even got my mother who is a democratic voter from way back to vote for McCain. Florida is no going to The One this year. :)

djohn669 on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

How long until we have to ration electricity?

fluffy on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

McCain needs to talk about this in his rallies in OH and PA and everywhere. obama wants to kill the coal industry

ConservativePartyNow on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Run an add with this in Virginia today

KBird on November 2, 2008 at 10:52 AM

You want to wreck Obama’s chances in Indiana? Make sure this gets around. Coal is huge in this state.

Terrye on November 2, 2008 at 10:53 AM

Are there any 527’s that might be able to get an ad together? Maybe we can help get this on the air – a few bucks might be helpful. – huckleberryfriend on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

There are 527′s all over the place, huckleberry. I’m sure the have already seen this and one of them, somewhere is already at work on an ad. The McCain campaign said they would be blitzing he nation with ads over the weekend, to the tune of $10 million more than Barry is spending.

But we have to do our part, however humble that might be.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:53 AM

No I won’t use this against Obama…that isn’t what my campaign is about.

tomas on November 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM

You want to wreck Obama’s chances in Indiana? Make sure this gets around. Coal is huge in this state. – Terrye on November 2, 2008 at 10:53 AM

If you live in Indiana, Terrye, please send it out to everyone you know there.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM

No I won’t use this against Obama…that isn’t what my campaign is about. – tomas on November 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Beat it, troll. The adults are talking.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM

All I can say is that if this clown is elected he is going to drive not just the US economy but also the entire global economy squarely into the ground. Are you all ready for the second great depression? If he does win it might be time to cash out, stock up, arm up, and head for the hills and go all survivalist.

Dreadnought223 on November 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM

Who does McCain and the RNC have running their opposition research, Moe, Larry and Curly? Everything of value that’s been uncovered has been discovered by ordinary Citizens. That’s a disgrace! McCain should have had this stuff months ago and blitzed those States with ads using Obama’s own voice.

TheBigOldDog on November 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM

No, no. You’re getting the quote all wrong.

What Obama meant is that he won’t raise taxes on people earning 250 200 150 120K. That coal stuff is just typical McCain smear in running the dirtiest campaign ever!

/channel Obamaspin

It’s too late. Unless Obama runs out and eats a baby on CNN, nothing’s going to affect the voting at this point.

Nethicus on November 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM

I voted early for McCain and I got my 3 brothers who never vote to go vote for McCain. I even got my mother who is a democratic voter from way back to vote for McCain. Florida is no going to The One this year. :) – djohn669 on November 2, 2008 at 10:51 AM

Excellent! Keep up the good work and deliver Florida for McCain. We’re counting on you.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM

GET RILED UP PEOPLE. The MSM is in full “this election is over” mode, trying to depress Republican voters and set the stage for “outrage” if the Chosen One doesn’t win.

Get excited. Get loud. Show your McCain/Palin signs to any idiot with a camera.

And as a complete aside, I thought McCain’s opening skit last night was idiotic. How does a man in the fight of his political career let them have the faux Palin hawking Palin 2012 shirts with him standing there. John, they weren’t laughing with you there. They were laughing at you. Palin would have never stood for them mocking you like that.
The Update appearance was a bit better.

Sugar Land on November 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM

maverick muse on November 2, 2008 at 10:46 AM

Post of the day.

I have sent this youtube link to everyone I know…here’s my email:

Subject: NEW Obama audio: “we will bankrupt coal companies”….

Text: ……if you know anyone in coal states (Virginia, Pennsylvania, Kentucky, Ohio, Colorado, West Virgjnia, etc.)….heck forward to everyone, you never know who will have friends/family in these states.

Please Forward this to them NOW. Right NOW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hdi4onAQBWQ

VOTE VOTE VOTE for McCain/Palin ’08 … the media lies in the polls to discourage McCain/Palin turnout. The election will be decided by McCain supporter TURNOUT.

Help make American history on Tuesday …. Let’s roll America….NOBama!

Thank you!


Let’s freakin’ ROLL!

ex-Democrat on November 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Make it happen.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

Doing my best, Manly. Sent it to both kids who go to school in PA. Many of their friends there are from coal mining families and several are the first in their families to attend college.

This video will not go over well with them, and college kids have a real flair for making things go viral.

*fingers crossed*

IrishEi on November 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM

It’s too late. Unless Obama runs out and eats a baby on CNN, nothing’s going to affect the voting at this point. – Nethicus on November 2, 2008 at 10:56 AM

It’s never too late, despite what the Obamamania media tells you. McCain will win, but he can’t do it without our help. Vote for him and get everyone you know to vote for him.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Don’t worry manly i work for a coal company. All the employees know what would happen if obama is elected. just ask Mr. Davis in Cali how the rolling black outs worked out for him.

wdamickii on November 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Does anyone have a connection to The National Republican Trust? This is the 527 that Dick Morris has been pushing on Fox. Maybe they can get an ad together.

huckleberryfriend on November 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Btw cap and trade has been pushing up fuel bills, and enriching power companies, for a couple of years in Europe now.

And Obama wants to be “more agressive”.

EnglishMike on November 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM

*fingers crossed* – IrishEi on November 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Excellent! Keep up the good work, Irish. Don’t let up. Don’t rest for a moment. Let’s make this happen, people. It’s up to us now.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:59 AM

What Obama meant is that he won’t raise taxes on people earning 250 200 150 120K. That coal stuff is just typical McCain smear in running the dirtiest campaign ever!

Don’t forget racist!

I’m done with the racism thing. It’s jumped the shark. Now I will act accordingly.

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on November 2, 2008 at 10:59 AM

Don’t worry manly i work for a coal company. All the employees know what would happen if obama is elected. just ask Mr. Davis in Cali how the rolling black outs worked out for him. – wdamickii on November 2, 2008 at 10:58 AM

Make sure your associates and fellow workers vote on election day, WD. Get out that vote!

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Don’t worry, folks: that coal will get used later- by the owners of our debt.

michaelo on November 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM

No I won’t use this against Obama…that isn’t what my campaign is about.

tomas on November 2, 2008 at 10:54 AM

Saying that you won’t use this against Obama is saying that you support his ideas. This isn’t a smear, fool. This is exposing his position on an issue – something the media refuses to do.

You are the most obvious troll we have seen in a while. Hit the road or continue to fool yourself here. Either way is fine with me.

Grafted on November 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM

This should be an ad running in PA.

buckichick1 on November 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM

ex-Democrat on November 2, 2008 at 10:57 AM

Well done! Very well done. Thank so much for your effort.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM

[ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:44 AM]

The residents of those states ought to be reminded, however, is the cascading effect loss of revenue caused by the demise of their industries. It’s not just those who work for the mining industry that will be affected but those in the communities who provide products and services to them.

State and local revenues will be largely affected: taxes will go up or services will be cut. On the local level real estate values will drop and sales tax revenue plummet. The latter will affect the state, too, as will state business income taxes and capital gains taxes. Meanwhile unemployment benefits will skyrocket.

And don’t forget the impact on underfunded state, county, and local pensions that rely on tax revenues.

Obama’s plan will victimize all the people in those states, not just the ones directly involved in coal mining.

Dusty on November 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Don’t worry, folks: that coal will get used later- by the owners of our debt. – michaelo on November 2, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Whatever. Vote for McCain.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Dusty on November 2, 2008 at 11:02 AM

Good points. Get them out. Send them to anyone you know in those states.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Clearly he is the Messiah. No one could continually make such statements for the last four years, have the associates he has and be even in the running for the President not to mention bringing down the Clinton machine.

And just to keep the fires burning, Ayers and Dohrn have recently written a new book, Race Course Against White Supremacy, which will be published in June, 2009, discussing how we continue to suffer from white supremacy and if it repeats any of their mantras from the past it will discuss reasons why this country needs to be destroyed and rebuilt as a communist entity. In the mid to late 70′s they had assumed that we would be occupied by Russia, China, Cuba and North Vietnamese with re education camps in the southwest where perhaps 25 million hardened capitalists would have to be eliminated.

http://www.zombietime.com/prairie_fire/

patrick neid on November 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM

There are just too many dots for a large part of the electorate to connect.

Doing that won’t happen until it’s too late. Like when the lights go dim, the electric rates skyrocket yet again, and the unemployment rates in the coal producing areas double. Then, and only then, will all of this get their attention. Of course it will be up to a Democratic congress to solve the problem by raising taxes and blaming the Republicans. Works every time. Doesn’t it?

Yoop on November 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM

What’s with the frickin’ Commie troll infestation????

Coal belt people – get this message out where you live.

Don’t wait for the campaign – BE THE CAMPAIGN.
MAKE YOURSELF, CAPITALISM, FREEDOM AND LOVE OF THIS GREAT COUNTRY YOUR CANDIDATES!
VOTE REPUBLICAN/CONSERVATIVE DOWN THE LINE! ! ! ! !

J.J. Sefton on November 2, 2008 at 11:05 AM

The coal-based economics of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Kentucky, Ohio, and other states will be the first to feel this new policy. Let’s hope the voters there pay attention.

Don’t forget Virginia. I live in Northern Virginia and in our last Dominion Virginia bill, the newsletter stated they had just opened a huge new coal burning plant for electricity in Southwestern Virginia that will supply a lot of electricity to Virginia.

It is scary we are so close to possibly electing this communist to become our next president.

Gabe on November 2, 2008 at 11:05 AM

patrick neid on November 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM

He’s not the Messiah. He’s a typical socialist. And we will see to it that he does not get elected.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Luh luh luh luh luh luh luh let me explain…

jgapinoy on November 2, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Don’t forget Virginia. I live in Northern Virginia and in our last Dominion Virginia bill, the newsletter stated they had just opened a huge new coal burning plant for electricity in Southwestern Virginia that will supply a lot of electricity to Virginia.

It is scary we are so close to possibly electing this communist to become our next president.

Gabe on November 2, 2008 at 11:05 AM

Then forward Ed’s post to everyone you know. Send it to family and friends. Make sure they vote for McCain on election day and stop this Obama Madness.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:07 AM

Yoop on November 2, 2008 at 11:04 AM

Then do your best to see that it doesn’t happen. Send out emails. Make phone calls. Talk to family and friends. Get out the vote.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:08 AM

Here is a really good vid I found over at Hillbuzz. States the case against BHO so eloquently (Bit long though).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16aBNduAyQ4

Dreadnought223 on November 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Texas is a big coal state too.

RushBaby on November 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Naked Emperor News has done yeoman’s work throughout this campaign.
If Obama prevails, they will be investigated (along with HotAir, Rush, Hannity, etc).

jgapinoy on November 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM

Tomas wasn’t trolling. He was just channeling the McCain campaign and their unwillingness to use things against Obama.

It’s alright though. If the Mav won’t use this, we’ll spread the word for him.

JadeNYU on November 2, 2008 at 11:09 AM

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM

You are the worst kind of troll…you attack your own party. loser.

tomas on November 2, 2008 at 11:11 AM

How does one switch tens of millions of vehicles from gasoline to electricity while not Increasing demand, let alone by cutting it 15%?

Oh, that’s actually quite simple. It’s part of his plan to increase efficiency. The first part is of course to repeal the 2nd law of thermodynamics.(Since he’s not quite sure why that was voted into law in the first place. Probably some backroom deal put in place by those evil oil companies.) Once that’s taken care of then we can have super efficient machines. (Yeah, that’s the ticket. That’s what’ll happen.)

Dave_d on November 2, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Ed, Gateway Pundit has a transcript, via the Free Republic, with his post.

Dusty on November 2, 2008 at 11:12 AM

I sent the link to Drudge, maybe if we all sent it to him he might put it up in big RED letters.

spypeach on November 2, 2008 at 11:12 AM

Imagine if the MSM had done their real job for the last 20 months.
ej_pez on November 2, 2008 at 10:47 AM

I’ve always believed the MSM has backed off Obama for two reasons, 1. the Race Card, and 2. to avoid any charges of fanning the flames of a Swiftboat effect like in 2004.

That being said, I’m no conspiracy guy (not even close), but boy is the circumstantial evidence fun to play with.

One could easily make a case that Obama is using William Ayers manifesto: destroy America from within (nationalize health care, 401k plans, install a cap and trade, tax all carbon emissions, ban offshore drilling), silence the dissenters (Fairness Doctrine, national civilian security force, new AWB), and then turn over the country to the Russian and Chi-coms (take all U.S. nuclear weapons offline, Global Poverty Act).

See, way too easy. :)

dugan on November 2, 2008 at 11:14 AM

He’s not the Messiah. He’s a typical socialist Very naughty boy. And we will see to it that he does not get elected.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:05 AM

There you go I fixed it for you mate :)

Dreadnought223 on November 2, 2008 at 11:14 AM

You are the worst kind of troll…you attack your own party. loser. – tomas on November 2, 2008 at 11:11 AM

F*ck off and die, troll.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:15 AM

Ed:

Here’s a transcript of the video (H/T FreeRepublic-Gateway Pundit):

Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

bobsunshine on November 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM

There you go I fixed it for you mate :) – Dreadnought223 on November 2, 2008 at 11:14 AM

Sounds like he needs a spanking from a certain naughty librarian.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Beat it, troll. The adults are talking.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 10:55 AM

He has a point. Many nuggets have been left unmined, so to speak.

Saying that you won’t use this against Obama is saying that you support his ideas. This isn’t a smear, fool. This is exposing his position on an issue – something the media refuses to do.

You are the most obvious troll we have seen in a while. Hit the road or continue to fool yourself here. Either way is fine with me.

Grafted on November 2, 2008 at 11:01 AM

I believe tomas was making reference to McCain’s history of leaving many chips on the table during the campaign. He/she isn’t a troll,… just marches a bit away from the straight company line on occasion.

a capella on November 2, 2008 at 11:17 AM

bobsunshine on November 2, 2008 at 11:16 AM

Excellent, Bob. Excellent! Okay, folks, let’s get going on those emails. I’m working on one now and will send it out shortly.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:17 AM

A friend just sent me youtube link on Ethel Kennedy stumping for Obama in SW Va (coal country)…

Hey Ethel: Obama’s boy Bill Ayers dedicated a book to SIRHAN SIRHAN….good gawd, can someone be more disgusting?

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on November 2, 2008 at 11:18 AM

He/she isn’t a troll,… just marches a bit away from the straight company line on occasion. – a capella on November 2, 2008 at 11:17 AM

At this point in time he/she/it is a troll. Our efforts now must be concentrated on getting the vote out for McCain. If tomas wants to be part of that effort, fine. If tomas wants to impede it, he/she/it will get stomped on.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM

I have friends that work for railroads that haul a lot of coal, their jobs depend on the coal trains. This is now in their email boxes with the request that they send it on to their buddies. Suggest if you know anyone in the coal producing states send this to them. Sorry this didn’t come out last week, little time to react.

Engrpat on November 2, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Here’s a transcript of the video (H/T FreeRepublic-Gateway Pundit):

You’ve got to listen to the audio…..Obama’s “umms and uhs” are classic (the liar).

Let’s roll.

ex-Democrat on November 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Transcript is here.

This is a massive taxing scheme, which will impose crushing tax burdens on utilities and coal producers. Where will all those taxes go? They’ll be passed on to the end users, who are consumers like you and me.

It means that everyone will end up paying for this disastrous policy. Why? Because 50% of all energy produced in this nation is coal based.

lawhawk on November 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Sorry this didn’t come out last week, little time to react. – Engrpat on November 2, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Good work, engineer Pat! There is still plenty of time – not only to sway undecideds, but the get out the vote. Make sure you call and email friends, family and neighbors. Everyone must go to the polls on November 4 and vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:22 AM

Thanks to the Anon who left the link for PA newspapers on the blog.

http://www.usnpl.com/panews.php/

Looks like over 100. Some have more obvious ‘contact’ links than others. Anyhow, I’ll start with the Pittsburgh and Philly ones, as I guess they have the biggest readerships, and maybe hit some others if I have time. Maybe someone could volunteer to cover the A’s and B’s, and so on?

EnglishMike on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

If we export coal to China and it’s burned there, isn’t there just as much carbon emitted (and perhaps even more) from a Chinese plant than from a coal burning plant here in the USA? And don’t Biden, Obama, Gore, and others on the carbon wagon claim that carbon emitted anywhere has a global effect?

There’s a serious intellectual disconnect in the brains of the Blue Ticket.

Of course, when the poor start dying in the eastern cities from the winter cold because they can’t afford to pay their 100% carbon offset tax, it will be cast as the Republicans’ fault, not the fault of the western ultra-liberals and their tools (Obama and Biden) who put that policy in place.

And all those western ultraliberals will be breathing soot from Chinese coal plants. You betcha.

unclesmrgol on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Why the hell hasn’t this video/audio been played in the swing states. If Obama does this and I’m sure he will try, it will cause a lot of people to lose their jobs. This is Crazy!

spypeach on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Because 50% of all energy produced in this nation is coal based. – lawhawk on November 2, 2008 at 11:21 AM

Precisely, lawhawk! Spread the word…get out the vote. Let’s make this happen.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Ed, you should also add in the Gateway’s connection to Obama’s plan for the nuclear power industry. Obama is all for nuke plants, except he isn’t for them until there is a plan for safe disposal, which he’ll be happy to wait until someone proposes one he thinks is safe, which is basically going to be never.

This is the usual lefty maneuver.

As a side note, one has to ask what other industries Obama plans to bankrupt with his Marxist approach to change. The oil industry? The gun manufacturing industry? Any industry that will not kowtow to his PLAN for them?

The bigger question is when he will start, before he has his National Civilian Security Force in place or after?

Dusty on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

I sent a link of this to everyone I could think of.
Unbelievable.

Geronimo on November 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM

And the idiots of the UMWA (United Mine Workers of America) have been running radio spots touting Obama and sprinkling the countryside in mining areas with pro-Obama lawn signs.

This union mindlesses exhibits itself in blind allegiance to the candidate who will cost its members an income.

onlineanalyst on November 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Thanks to the Anon who left the link for PA newspapers on the blog. http://www.usnpl.com/panews.php/ Looks like over 100. Some have more obvious ‘contact’ links than others. Anyhow, I’ll start with the Pittsburgh and Philly ones, as I guess they have the biggest readerships, and maybe hit some others if I have time. Maybe someone could volunteer to cover the A’s and B’s, and so on? – EnglishMike on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Can anyone here help EnglishMike? C’mon folks…let’s pitch in.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:25 AM

This union mindlesses exhibits itself in blind allegiance to the candidate who will cost its members an income. – onlineanalyst on November 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Then contact any union members you know and thell them the truth. If Obama is elected they will be out of jobs. Period.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:26 AM

At this point in time he/she/it is a troll. Our efforts now must be concentrated on getting the vote out for McCain. If tomas wants to be part of that effort, fine. If tomas wants to impede it, he/she/it will get stomped on.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Didn’t realize you are in charge.

a capella on November 2, 2008 at 11:26 AM

This is just another attempt by an increasingly desperate John McCain campaign to take the focus away from the issues and continue using the politics of the past 8 years that America just can’t afford to take anymore.

Did I get that right, more or less?

theblakeus on November 2, 2008 at 11:27 AM

The bigger question is when he will start, before he has his National Civilian Security Force in place or after? – Dusty on November 2, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Neither, because he will not be elected president and I know that you will do you best to help ensure that.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:27 AM

Did I get that right, more or less? – theblakeus on November 2, 2008 at 11:27 AM

You got it wrong. F*ck off, troll.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:28 AM

Didn’t realize you are in charge. – a capella on November 2, 2008 at 11:26 AM

Somebody has to grab the baton and lead the orchestra. I guess it’s me. Don’t forget to vote for McCain and get out the Republican vote where you live. It’s up to us now.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Everyone send this video link to fox news
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html
and also to
The National Republican Trust
http://www.nationalrepublicantrust.com/

abinitioadinfinitum on November 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Can anyone here help EnglishMike? C’mon folks…let’s pitch in.

I would but I’m out the door to WALK neighborhoods in VA with the local McCain office.

Remember folks: you can call from your home for McCain.

http://www.JohnMcCain.com (look for Make Calls button)….let’s roll!

ex-Democrat on November 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM

I sent a link of this to everyone I could think of. Unbelievable. – Geronimo on November 2, 2008 at 11:24 AM

Good job, Geronimo. Keep fighting. Call friends and family. Call neighbors. Get out that vote…don’t let anyone stay home and sit it out. Let’s win this for America.

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:31 AM

Thinking out loud here,..maybe Obama’s proposed 7% tax to fight poverty paid to the UN won’t be so bad after all. Sounds like the U.S. will be qualified to receive most of it back in a couple of years if he is elected.

a capella on November 2, 2008 at 11:32 AM

ManlyRash on November 2, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Mr Rash,
Your positive outlook reinforces my own, Thank You.
It’s hard to dodge all the negativity, but wasn’t Kerry up 14 points election night? OR do I have that wrong?

abinitioadinfinitum on November 2, 2008 at 11:34 AM

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