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posted at 1:30 pm on November 2, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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In another clip from the same January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle in which Barack Obama promised to bankrupt anyone foolish enough to build coal-burning power plants, he also made an interesting admission about his entire energy plan.  Obama told the editors that his policies would make energy prices “skyrocket” as the energy industry passed along the exorbitant costs of his cap-and-trade policy:

The problem is not technical, uh, and the problem is not mastery of the legislative intricacies of Washington. The problem is, uh, can you get the American people to say, “This is really important,” and force their representatives to do the right thing? That requires mobilizing a citizenry. That requires them understanding what is at stake. Uh, and climate change is a great example.

You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know — Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.

They — you — you can already see what the arguments will be during the general election. People will say, “Ah, Obama and Al Gore, these folks, they’re going to destroy the economy, this is going to cost us eight trillion dollars,” or whatever their number is. Um, if you can’t persuade the American people that yes, there is going to be some increase in electricity rates on the front end, but that over the long term, because of combinations of more efficient energy usage, changing lightbulbs and more efficient appliance, but also technology improving how we can produce clean energy, the economy would benefit.

If we can’t make that argument persuasively enough, you — you, uh, can be Lyndon Johnson, you can be the master of Washington. You’re not going to get that done.

Energy prices skyrocketing will leave the economy in tatters, as we saw earlier this year.  While no one doubts the need to start transitioning to better sources of energy, the manner in which that gets done means the difference of whether it gets done at all.  A stagnant or receding economy does not produce scientific breakthroughs, especially when government both increases taxes and imposes steep cost burdens on energy.  That cuts into both manufacturing and R&D, because as profits fall, fewer dollars go into research — which means that all of these wonderful developments would get delayed, or go unrealized altogether.

We need to plan for the transition better than what Obama proposes.  We need to use our own reserves of oil, natural gas, coal, and shale to cushion the economy while we develop the alternatives and build the infrastructure to deliver it.  That’s what John McCain proposed in his Lexington Project.

Price shocks on energy is the last thing this economy needs.  It would be worse than the taxes Obama promises to impose on investment, and would have the same depressive effect.  It’s an utter disaster.


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When Obama says “Cap & Trade” he means “Cap, Trade, & Redistribute” because he would create massive transfer payments to the lowest income groups to compensate them for skyrocketing energy costs and the impacts of global warming. This money would come largely from the middle class. The lowest income quintile would realize a 15% increase in real income due to this massive transfer payment scheme.

lezident on November 3, 2008 at 8:14 AM

Go Obama. Go somewnere else.

Johan Klaus on November 3, 2008 at 8:19 AM

You Repubs CRACK ME UP. Once again, McCain is trying to pull something out of his rearend. If you guys want the truth about this quote, here it is: The quote comes from a January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle; The quote is being “wildly” taken out of context. In the full interview Obama praises coal and says that the idea of eliminating coal is “an illusion.”

The point Obama is making is that we need to transition from coal burning power plants built with old technology to plants built with advanced technologies — and that is exactly the action that will be incentivized under a cap and trade program. You can read the entire interview if you want. It’s people like you who are just spoon fed crap from Faux News. I can’t wait until tomorrow.

Wake up people. It only takes five minutes to research this stuff. OBAMA/BIDEN

Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ij9VMKPYMj8

ColHogan on November 3, 2008 at 8:31 AM

Wake up people. It only takes five minutes to research this stuff. OBAMA/BIDEN

Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

And Obams is not a socialist either, huh?

Johan Klaus on November 3, 2008 at 8:36 AM

“an illusion.”
Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Obama,”an illusion.”

Johan Klaus on November 3, 2008 at 8:39 AM

“an illusion.”
Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

And Obama does not want to raise gas prices, eihter? And the dems do not want to take over the banks and energy companies, either?

Johan Klaus on November 3, 2008 at 8:46 AM

Wake up people. It only takes five minutes to research this stuff. OBAMA/BIDEN

Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

We don’t have to research what he said…here is his direct quote.

Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket.

Be sure and tell the fixed income earner in Minnesota that they won’t be able to heat their house next year…
What an idiot scumbag you are, so you “think” things will get better, you are willing to destroy peoples lives.
Scumbag, liberal…

right2bright on November 3, 2008 at 9:01 AM

This is so ridiculous but currently in line with everything I’ve heard the guy say. Basically being green is more important to him that people’s well-being.

dengar007 on November 3, 2008 at 9:11 AM

I’m hoping the McCain campaign, RNC, state GOP campaigns, or 527s see the legs this story has and cut some wicked, swing-state Obama ballbusting ads.

These Obama quotes are very revealing and put Biden’s truthful statement to that girl at the ropeline, followed by his lying statements in the debate, in stark relief.

I was out doing GOTV calls in PA this past weekend, and last night a friend found a voicemail message with Obama’s quote about bankrupting coal plants, with some comments from the McCain campaign. PA and OH are coal country, and the McCain campaign is onto this one–it could swing the election.

I know this is only anecdotal evidence, but this one hasn’t slipped under the radar. They’ve got to hammer this one!

Steve Z on November 3, 2008 at 9:29 AM

May God protect us from this misguided man…

golfmann on November 3, 2008 at 9:33 AM

Anyone who votes for this guy is a true ass clown.

worlok on November 3, 2008 at 9:42 AM

Finally something that will make the Bush years look like “the good old days”.

We’re still suffering 40 years later because we elected a socialist with his own agenda for his charisma and our desire for a change from the stodgy ways of old.

For your sakes, I hope you don’t make the same mistake.

G-man on November 3, 2008 at 10:05 AM

He is going to be the socialist straw that breaks the American’s back should he sit in the White House.

Night Wind on November 3, 2008 at 10:19 AM

McCain told Larry King that Obama is not a socialist.

Obama’s Clean Coal Plan would benefit West Virginia

http://www.huntingtonnews.net/political/081103-rutherford-politicalobama.html

Develop and Deploy Clean Coal Technology. Carbon capture and storage technologies hold
enormous potential to reduce our greenhouse gas emissions as we power our economy with
domestically produced and secure energy. As a U.S. Senator, Obama has worked tirelessly to
ensure that clean coal technology becomes commercialized. An Obama administration will
provide incentives to accelerate private sector investment in commercial scale zero‐carbon coal
facilities. In order to maximize the speed with which we advance this critical technology, Barack
Obama and Joe Biden will instruct DOE to enter into public private partnerships to develop 5
“first‐of‐a‐kind” commercial scale coal‐fired plants with carbon capture and sequestration.

MrUniteUs on November 3, 2008 at 10:31 AM

Maybe he will use the skyrocketing energy prices as the replacement for the shuttle fleet.

thespottedowl on November 3, 2008 at 10:36 AM

Should The One win tomorrow, we would only suffer for two years, at which time the whole house and 1/3 of the Senate will come up for re-election.

He’ll be castrated by a conservative majority, and live with a 2 year lame duck administration.

BobMbx on November 3, 2008 at 10:42 AM

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America folks…BHO’s thirst for power will be the greatest tragedy this awesome country will see in a few generations to come…having lived in a Cuba as a boy, I saw first hand what these types of policies do. They may seem innocuous at first, but once the ball starts rolling, it’s almost impossible to stop…WAKE UP AMERICA!

zoom119 on November 3, 2008 at 10:47 AM

1) People who need to hear this don’t
2) Those who do it hear either don’t understand why its bad or just don’t care because they hate Bush so much they will accept anything.
3) He will be so liberal, he will make congress look conservative.

indyrowe on November 3, 2008 at 10:54 AM

I agree with BobMbx. I discuss this hope on my blog, political bankruptcy. Should Obama do for Republicans what Clinton did, we get the house and senate back in 2 years, then we can hope for grid lock. Grid lock is really the best case scenario to hope for.

indyrowe on November 3, 2008 at 10:56 AM

If a Liberal does not like something, they tax it. They intentionally raise the price. Nobody cares when they do it with Tobacco, other than Tobacco users of of course, but now they are going after our energy.

It is unthinkable how blind some partisans can be, trying to twist these clear as daylight words into something more innocuous. It can not be done. Obama is clearly stating that he supports a cleaner version of energy and wants to put us down that road, even if it means hurting millions in the long term. even if it means leaving so many of us in the cold, the dark or the unemployment lines.

McCain is much more reasonable on this. He supports all of the alternative energy Obama does, but understands innovation is not had through extortion. McCain understands that as we work towards a cleaner future, we still have to use what we have in the meantime. We need to drill for oil, Natural gas and mine coal. This is “dirty energy” which Obama has repeatedly stood against.

All those who vote for Obama should have to sacrifice their energy usage first.

Daemonocracy on November 3, 2008 at 11:00 AM

Obama wants to turn us into Russia, Cuba, and every third world dive whose economy has tanked and who’s dependent on the UN and the World Bank to keep going.

SilentWatcher on November 3, 2008 at 11:20 AM

Estimates are that CO2 cap and trade will kill 1 million jobs at a loss of 4.8 trillion dollars in GDP over the next 22 years.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/EnergyandEnvironment/cda08-02.cfm

Angry Dumbo on November 3, 2008 at 11:33 AM

Estimates are that CO2 cap and trade will kill 1 million jobs at a loss of 4.8 trillion dollars in GDP over the next 22 years.

Chump change.

BobMbx on November 3, 2008 at 11:50 AM

SHHHH!
heh heh all the messiah “youth voters” i have spoken to think its so in the bag they wont turn out to vote tommorow..shhhhh

i live in indiana :)

UNREPENTANT CONSERVATIVE CAPITOLIST on November 3, 2008 at 12:00 PM

I checked the pressure in my light-bulbs.

Din’t make a damn bit of difference in my light bill.

Where’d I go wrong?

franksalterego on November 3, 2008 at 12:07 PM

I guess this was Obama’s unique way of reaching out to coal workers in Pennsylvania,

my question is: where was this months ago?

Bizzy on November 3, 2008 at 12:09 PM

If you guys want the truth about this quote, here it is: The quote comes from a January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle; The quote is being “wildly” taken out of context. In the full interview Obama praises coal and says that the idea of eliminating coal is “an illusion.”

Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

LOL. And I like the way you point to BHo taking both sides of an issue (as usual) as some sort of proof that he “loves coal” – even though he said that he was “no coal booster” in the same interview.

BHO also says that his draconian energy policy will create jobs. I bet you love that line too, especially since it makes no sense at all. But you are more of an emotional person, obviously not given to reason (as that is such a Western, non-PC view).

BHO is an outright fraud who wants to bring the US to its knees. Idiots like you are only happy to see the US cut down – for whatever twisted reasons you personally have.

We have seen your type in history and know where it ends. You people are absolutely despicable, except for the ones who are just too stupid to know any better.

progressoverpeace on November 3, 2008 at 12:29 PM

All you Obama supporters are getting slammed and caught up with. You are just like him a bunch of cheats and liars.

changetomccain007 on November 3, 2008 at 12:52 PM

Obama clip from the same January 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle

QUESTION:

Did the San Francisco Chronicle print these Obama citations, or merely tape the interview, hide the tape until now, and print a January 2008 diluted version of Obama’s economic plan as Chief Executive?

AS IS, whoever votes for Obama votes to further bankrupt America.

1. Fraudulent voter registrations and illegal votes.
2. Mortgage crisis gone global economic meltdown.
3. Bankrupt America: bankrupt all industries;
crops into fuel vs. food =expensive groceries, transportation, mining, drilling, refining, manufacturing, producing, banking, energy, marriage, and right to life.
4. Monopoly on the press.
5. Defraud the Constitution.

maverick muse on November 3, 2008 at 1:06 PM

We cannot afford the “change” as all our change will have to be used to pay our electric bill, that is if we don’t have rolling blackouts across the nation…
We can only “hope” that everyone passes this along to their hopey-changey friends…

tom

tomw on November 3, 2008 at 1:16 PM

The point Obama is making is that we need to transition from coal burning power plants built with old technology to plants built with advanced technologies — and that is exactly the action that will be incentivized under a cap and trade program. You can read the entire interview if you want. It’s people like you who are just spoon fed crap from Faux News. I can’t wait until tomorrow.

Wake up people. It only takes five minutes to research this stuff. OBAMA/BIDEN

Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Unfortunately that ‘incentive’ you’re talking about will cost millions as industry struggles to find alternatives. This is not something you can create instantly. So putting restrictions like that on an industry right away would cripple the small energy providers/producers & perhaps some of the big ones.
You take your energy for granted.
Energy not only provides you with power for lighting & heat. It also provides the energy for INDUSTRY to make the stuff you use & consume every day.
The technology to make coal ‘clean’ is getting better, but it’s not where the earth firsters want it.
Let’s all get real about this. Dismantling clean energy like hydroelectric dams, not allowing any nuclear power infrastructure, crippling EPA restrictions that are unreasonable (not all of them are unreasonable, however), etc….. will affect the economy in ways you can’t imagine.
We live longer & healthier lives bcs of our advances in energy. Without it, we’d be Africa.
You want that kind of life?!
Obama talks about clean coal- burn WY & MT coal. It’s about as ‘clean’ as you can get.
How ’bout some more hydroelectric power in places where it’ll work?!
How ’bout some nuclear?!
The USA is more responsible than they’ve ever been, environmentally. When you live on the land & actually MAKE things people use (i.e. energy & agriculture) you know what it means to take care of the land etc.
The long term effects of this type of energy policy is not good. You cannot use solar & wind for industry reliably. You still need the cheap & easy back-up that oil & coal give us.
Countries of the world have a right to develop their natural resources. Let’s help them do it responsibly, but with some COMMON SENSE.
Dear God I’m exhausted.

Badger40 on November 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM

I guess it’s just a shame BHO wasn’t around when electricity was being developed. BHO could have had the government jump on it and build a beautiful new, expensive DC-based electric grid – or grids, I guess, since everyone would have to be within earshot of a generator. I have faith that, were the idiot dems to get their way, the government would force us waste untold sums of money on the worst and most impractical of alternative energy solutions, thereby making us less competitive for decades and decades into the future.

The dems offer nothing less than the destruction of the US.

progressoverpeace on November 3, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Wait, is he saying he invented energy?
s/off.

Biffstir on November 3, 2008 at 2:00 PM

The voters of coal producing states (s/w VA, PA, etc) should be outraged at this comment and should vote accordingly.

JohnB on November 3, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Beester,
I saw the whole clip. Put down the koolaid and use what brain cells remain between your ears and look for the truth versus feel-good rhetoric. The One is dangerous to our nation and the world. Vote for sanity, vote McCain/Palin.

JohnB on November 3, 2008 at 2:30 PM

The insanity of Obama’s regulation on coal plants is that we just put another generation (or two) into debt because someone had the beautiful idea that everyone should own their own home.

Put another way: Americans are paying a terrible price for the utopian dreams of their leaders. Encouraging people to borrow what they can never repay verges on fraud; now, as if they heard nothing of the past month’s global catastrophe, one leader proposes we destroy our energy infrastructure in order to create a cleaner future.

On a side note, the group that stands to realize immediate (and not intergenerational) cash profits from the regulations are the firms which have been set up to service the proposed “cap and trade” trading infrastructure, such as the firm where Al Gore now works.

pomerpants on November 3, 2008 at 2:43 PM

As a U.S. Senator, Obama has worked tirelessly to
ensure that clean coal technology becomes commercialized…

MrUniteUs on November 3, 2008 at 10:31 AM

And the lies just keep on coming.

Go ahead and list for us the legislation this TIRELESS US Senator wrote to ensure that clean coal technology becomes commercialized, in his 143 days in the Senate.

Then explain to us again why his entire platform changed as soon as he clinched the Democratic nomination.

Then explain to us again why it doesn’t matter that all his friends and associates are either hard-left radicals, black separatists, or Chicago machine politicians.

Then explain all those people he had to dissociate himself from, because he never heard them talk about how radical they were before.

Then explain to us why Obama’s promise to use the Executive branch to spread the wealth is not really socialism, and how McCain is just as much a socialist.

Then explain to us why ACORN’s systematic fraud really doesn’t affect any votes, so it’s truly harmless… and how Obama never really had anything to do with ACORN anyhow.

The record of outright lies keeps getting longer and longer and longer…

philwynk on November 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM

I heard a clip of him talking about gas prices a couple of months ago when prices were soaring, and he was okey-dokey with the high price – he said they just went up “too fast”

Brat on November 3, 2008 at 4:22 PM

Yes just look at what the Dems have done for ILL energy prices. If you are for paying double you’ll love Obama.

Darth Odie on November 3, 2008 at 4:28 PM

I can think of a million and one reasons not to vote for either man…they are both snakey-eyed politicians….no matter who you vote for, there are always going to be those that don’t agree with the radical or the liberal that was put into office and there will always be an opponent twisting the words of his/her rival. I just can’t wait for it all to be done and decided so that everyone (including some of the ignorant people on here) will shut up.

wyonative75 on November 3, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Maybe some ex-loggers ought to explain to coal areas what would really happen to them. And the loggers only had to fight against a few insignifcant species. We’ve all seen this movie before.

progressoverpeace on November 3, 2008 at 4:36 PM

There are some folks on here that need to do some fact-checkin instead of falling for misleading ads http://www.factcheck.org/just-the-facts/in_case_you_missed_it.html

wyonative75 on November 3, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Yes, its a nice try for a last minute “outrage” , isn’t it?

Had to be “last minute” of course because both Obama and McCain support essentially the same “cap and trade” scheme on greenhouse gas emissions – the approach which Obama indicated in the original SF interview would increase energy prices. Whichever of them wins there are going to be increases in energy prices of about the same level.

Here’s Obama on “cap and trade” from http://www.sciencedebate2008.com/www/index.php?id=42

Quote:
Specifically, I will implement a market-based cap-and-trade system to reduce carbon emissions by the amount scientists say is necessary: 80 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. I will start reducing emissions immediately by establishing strong annual reduction targets with an intermediate goal of reducing emissions to 1990 levels by 2020. A cap- and-trade program draws on the power of the marketplace to reduce emissions in a cost- effective and flexible way. I will require all pollution credits to be auctioned.

Here is McCain:

Quote:
To dramatically reduce carbon emissions, I will institute a new cap-and-trade system that over time will change the dynamic of our energy economy. By the year 2012, we will seek a return to 2005 levels of emissions, by 2020, a return to 1990 levels, and so on until we have achieved at least a reduction of sixty percent below 1990 levels by the year 2050.

If they are going to “skyrocket” under Obama they are also going to “skyrocket” under McCain. Strange that the last minute “attack ad” didn’t manage to mention that!

The original SFgate interview can be found in full at http://cdn.sfgate.com/blogs/sounds/sfgate/chroncast/2008/01/17/20080117-obama-interview.mp3

The comment being blogged like crazy by the GOP diehards today is about three quarters of the way through the interview. To see it in its proper context, however, you need to head to his primary discussion on coal technology etc earlier in the interview – about half way through. Its actually an intelligent, and balanced, statement I think you will find.

Cheers

Rod

RodH on November 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Politicians lie…they lie about what they will do for us, they lie about what the other guy will or won’t do, they lie cuz it’s in their nature. Be a better person and do some research on the candidates and what they did or didn’t say. http://www.factcheck.org

wyonative75 on November 3, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Finally! Barry makes a promise he intends to keep!

virtue gal on November 3, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Something I fear is getting lost in all this is the importance of the coal industry to families in states like West Virginia. I’m a real life “coal miner’s daughter” from Kentucky. Coal fed our family of eight when I was growing up. In many regions of the country, there would be no way to survive without the coal industry. My hope is that under McCain’s plan of an expanded infrastructure using alternative sources like wind and solar, his promise of more jobs in building and maintaining that infrastructure will pan out for coal families. That’s my hope. I see no glimmer of hope in Obama’s plan. I see only brutal hardship under his plan.

gocatholic on November 3, 2008 at 6:22 PM

If they are going to “skyrocket” under Obama they are also going to “skyrocket” under McCain. Strange that the last minute “attack ad” didn’t manage to mention that!

Cheers

Rod

RodH on November 3, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Wrong. Obama will keep us from drilling for our own oil, so gas prices will go right back up to four dollars within a month of the election. Opec already is going to cut production after the election.

Stick that in your Utopian hookah and smoke it.

Squiggy on November 3, 2008 at 7:20 PM

Let’s be honest here.

McCain kind of sucks on his global warming beliefs. He might even end up doing some damage to the economy by accident if VP Palin and the conservatives in Congress don’t pound some reality into his policies.

0Bama REALLY REALLY SUCKS on his blend of Gramscian Marxist and Alinsky/Ayers socialistic anarchist use of the global warming tools and fools as just one aspect of his goal to intentionally destroy the economy, (and America).

You newbies that normally hang out on Kos or DU that snuck in here today probably don’t know this, but I’ve been one of the most anti-McCain people around this place.

But your guy 0bama has PROVEN himself in the last couple weeks to be the most absolutely dangerous and destructive mainstream candidate for President that this nation has ever had; So I have had to swallow negative feelings that I have held for McCain for longer than most of you have been alive; and today can say without hesitation VOTE McCAIN/PALIN if you have ANY sense of self preservation.

LegendHasIt on November 3, 2008 at 7:50 PM

Wrong. Obama will keep us from drilling for our own oil, so gas prices will go right back up to four dollars within a month of the election.

Actually, gas prices will go up because of the holidays with either dip5hit…it happens every year, get used to it.

wyonative75 on November 3, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Wake up people. It only takes five minutes to research this stuff. OBAMA/BIDEN

Beester on November 3, 2008 at 8:27 AM

Out of context? there is an entire paragraph before he says “under my plan prices would skyrocket” how is that out of context? Now keep in mind Sen. Biden’s rope line comment about no new coal under his watch…….now who needs to wake up?

Paco on November 3, 2008 at 8:57 PM

Blame Bush… Blame Bush… Blame Bush…

The suffering Obama will cause can be retroactively blamed on Bush, too.

Bush, the absolution of the asshats.

profitsbeard on November 3, 2008 at 9:11 PM

Obama- the lie of the land.

profitsbeard on November 3, 2008 at 9:14 PM

I can’t believe how many ignorant people in this country support someone so loopy as Obama.It would seem that this mans main objective is to personally destroy the economy of the United States.Anyone hoping for change will certainly receive it with this monster when he bankrupts the U.S. and causes us all to lose our jobs and homes.Now he openly declares that he will bankrupt the coal industry which also supplies half the energy in this country.I can see some great things happening to us under an Obama administration.

jkneer672 on November 3, 2008 at 10:07 PM

While we are on the topic of coal and the democrat party. Here’s some recent history of their disdain for domestic energy production.

Paco on November 3, 2008 at 10:12 PM

Paco on November 3, 2008 at 10:13 PM

Sorry there is supposed to be a link in there but I must not be doing it right….grrr
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=285982232964929

I’m a noob :)

Paco on November 3, 2008 at 10:14 PM

I want in on this greenhouse gas scam..

It is unconscionable that the democrats
have SEALED up this racket so i cant get in on the action.

You see once obama and the dems destroy this industy
the only way to make money will be to either
a. be a contributor to global warming (full of hot air) no pun intented
b. Sell or buy carbon credits and then raise the price 15% and sell it again to the leftists..

I want in
I want obama and the dems to
Pay my salary
Pay my car payment
Pay my morgage
Pay for my health care
Pay for my food

So i can go out and drink beer.

Especially after this campain with ALL of the absolutly crappy candidates on both sides..
And i am a conservative

jcila on November 3, 2008 at 10:23 PM

Actually, gas prices will go up because of the holidays with either dip5hit…it happens every year, get used to it.

wyonative75 on November 3, 2008 at 8:28 PM

Apples and oranges. They go up ten or twenty percent because of the Northeastern habit of burning oil in their heaters. Not because OPEC cuts production and doubles the price of a barrel of oil. Ten or twenty percent (due to usage) or one hundred percent (due to extortion). Pretty huge difference there pancho.

Squiggy on November 4, 2008 at 6:27 AM

Wow, my apologies for the attempt at a rational post about the matter earlier! Clearly not the place for such things. Sorry for accidentally gatecrashing the under 15 GOP LooneyTunes kids party! ;-)

Cheers

Rod

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RodH on November 4, 2008 at 6:50 AM

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