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As a matter of record, Obama doesn’t believe that. As a matter of logic, draw your own conclusions.

My conclusions are that our Hussein misses Iraq’s Hussein something awful, and that AP and the rest of the staff here need to show some respect.

What I do not understand is why libs still live in a dream world and demand that everyone share their dream of a utopia which is an individual idea not a national one. I guess it is because we have not properly educated the next generations to properly understand the actual functions of government at all levels and their responsibility to support that government.

Beck replaces Shep. hmmmm.
I like it!
hawkdriver

I actually would prefer Megyn Kelly but Beck will do.

I vote for ABS ( Anyone but Shep)

There was opposition, me included, to Clinton’s adventure in Kosovo. Not at the same level because hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and over 4000 US military deaths didn’t happen. It also didn’t cost 8 billion dollars per month. But it was mostly conservatives that called that mission a mistake. Were they dissing the troops or not?

I’m still trying to ascertain exactly what this “Victory” in Iraq has gained us that is worth the cost in blood and treasure …

You missed the point, didn’t you? The question is not “what did it gain us” but “what did it gain the people of Iraq.” The answer is “freedom” – and that, sir, is always worth the cost in blood and treasure.

“There is not greater love than this: that a man lay down his life for his brother.”

Fuquay Steve on November 1, 2008 at 8:03 AM

Beck replaces Shep. hmmmm.

I like it!

How much longer until FOX fires him…..

That’s just what the republicans said back then. Were they disrespecting the troops by pointing out that Clintons action in this was a mistake?

Chimpy on November 1, 2008 at 12:37 AM

What a bare-faced lie. There was never the level of opposition to Kosovo from Conservatives like the traitorous liberal bastards from the Democratic party turned their backs on the military in this conflict. You can’t just come here and make stuff up. Give up some public statements that come anywhere close to what Howard Dean or Kerry or Murtha or Code Pink has said.

Sunni muslims voting for sunni muslims and shiite muslims voting for shiite muslims and all under a constitution enshrining islamic law.

How endearing.

MB4 on November 1, 2008 at 1:27 AM

You are still talking about one of the few Islamic Socieities where Christians were are allowed to openly worship. No one said it was perfect.

As bad a guy as he was, Tariq Aziz is a Christian. I knew Iraqi Christians in the North. And it’s estimated 3 percent of the population has been Christian. There are few other places were in the Middle East or Southwest Asia like that.

Christians Have Been In Iraq.

Christians are Returning To Iraq.

It is not Democracy like we know it. It is Democracy none the less. To say the war is a failure because of strong Shiite influences in their government because they’re the majority population is about as stupid as beating your chest proudly because of a free and honest press in this country.

Peace, above all things, is to be desired, but blood must sometimes be spilled to obtain it on equable and lasting terms. – Andrew Jackson

I have supported this conflict since 1991, and letting a tyrant misuse a ceasefire to attempt to retain his power and undermine his opposition is an anathema to the laws of war. If you cannot trust a leader to abide by his word during wartime, then just when, exactly, can you trust him? Such agreements are more binding than treaties as they deal with the life and deaths of Nations in war. Saddam used his time and power to lower the price of oil by exporting it and depriving his people of it as that was the best way to hurt US domestic oil companies. That was testimony given to Congress years before 2003, and we were ill served by those who would not raise alarm that such a base dictator would use that venue to continue his campaign against us. Clinton and Gore came in promising to be harsh on Saddam and did *nothing* and he outlasted them, their promises on war proven false.

Now we do the hard work to show that we honor the people of the Nation we fought because it had unjust and tyrannical leadership and people complain? If you believe that the we are endowed with equal rights and that war is a great injustice then helping those who have been beset by war with no input, without their approval and without an ability to resist their government must be seen as an ultimate good thing. By giving them the ability to decide on their own and helping them learn how to defend themselves, they can then exercise the greatest power of their people which we can and will respect from a duly elected government: they can tell us to leave.

I *like that*. Rather a strong nation assured of itself with the backing of its people than putting a puppet dictator down to oppress them, which was the cheap, easy and ‘progressive’ way out of things. And, somehow, when you show you are willing to help such a society after war has been their trial by fire and you help them up to defend themselves, you gain appreciation for that work because it is damned hard work and part of Congress sending our troops to war. Twice. The second time was re-stating the case.

After Congress agrees as our representatives, then you stop questioning the mission and see what the best way to win *is* and ensure that afterwards you never, ever have to go back there and repeat a task left unfinished so your children and grandchildren are not stuck with your poor excuses and trying to make amends for *you*. Our finest tradition is to prosecute *after* the war is won…and let the history books write themselves in the decades to come. Questioning the ‘strategic mission’ ended in 1991. Finishing the job was a necessary and dirty task that should have been taken up in 1992 or 1993. I add scorn to the names of those who could have chosen to complete the job from the Oval Office but did not do so: they were weak and unwilling to finish a hard task set to us. An unjust peace brings war, how strange we have forgotten that as it is an ages old lesson.

May our volunteers come home with our appreciation for a job well done. They have done their bit and more than we should ever ask of them.

If you don’t like the mission – get rid of the politicians who agreed to it, which was a majority crossing both parties. They deserve the scorn, never our sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, who volunteer to defend us and do the dirty job that politicians send them to do for the Nation.

You can say what you want, but what occurred in Iraq was liberty. What we receive is security from one less rogue tyrant and an ally in the region. What we get is 25 million more people, right in the middle of the Middle East, bordering some the least free nations in the world, who will by simple dent of their existence promote the idea of freedom that will slowly kill the ideology of hate.

I’m guessing you’ve never spent any time in the middle east. There are a whole host of cultural and religious reasons why your comment is horse puckey. Don’t expect to see ‘the idea of freedom’ reigning any time soon in the middle east – it never has before and the misadventure in Iraq is not necessary or sufficient cause to change that state of play.

I was at a meeting where the guest speaker was one of the lawyers who helped draft the Iraqi laws. He was quite proud of the fact that the law was based upon Sharia.

Even if we didn’t deserve that gift you gave us. That’s grace. It knocks me over every time I see grace lived out loud.

To see our brave defenders give their lives and reputations for somebody like John Murtha who doesn’t deserve it – and then see him return their sacrifice with a stab in the back… it makes me want to fight back for those who have given so much. They – you – deserve much better from us.

“And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today. No, there ain’t no doubt I love this land. God bless the USA!”

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Yes ManlyRash, Victory is in our grasp

Lefties and sceptics…look into this person’s eyes and tell me we are not for the Iraqi people, and always have been.

RushBaby on October 31, 2008 at 11:54 PM

That is true RushBaby, We are for the Iraqi People. Or, guess some of us.

By this, of course, I mean, we trap their furry scrawny little selves and bannish exile relocate them to more suitable wilderness.

RushBaby on October 31, 2008 at 10:53 PM

A .22 is quicker and more permanent.

I guess you had to be there.

Purple Fingers!

hawkdriver on October 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Sunni muslims voting for sunni muslims and shiite muslims voting for shiite muslims and all under a constitution enshrining islamic law.

How endearing.

If you have not ascertained that by now, you are either too stupid or too blindly partisan for any argument, however factual and eloquent, to have any effect.

Ah, taking the easy way out I see.

Your vote for Obama will have been in vain. He will lose.

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 10:47 PM

I have already voted and it was not for Obama. You can not even call my vote and you expect folks to believe that you can call the election which is more difficult. You need to learn to walk before you try to run.