Shep to the “Dear Mr. Obama” guy: How is it disrespectful to call the war a mistake?

posted at 8:51 pm on October 31, 2008 by Allahpundit

Eleven million views on YouTube later, he’s finally landed in Studio B. Reminiscent of the Joe the Plumber interview from the other day insofar as Shep’s clearly cutting him extra slack for not being a professional talking head (and for being a disabled vet, of course) and just as clearly not taken with every aspect of his argument. The money quote from the “Dear Mr. Obama” clip embedded below:

When you call the Iraqi war a mistake, you disrespect the service and the sacrifice of everyone who has died promoting freedom.

What he’s really getting at here, I suspect, is the rhetorical tapdance Democratic leaders have been doing for five years in insisting simultaneously that the war was an epic miscalculation but that no soldier who’s served in it has died in vain. That’s a classic case of political convenience trumping logical coherence, which explains why both Pelosi and The One — in one of his feeblest moments on the trail — have strained so hard to try to square the circle. You can oppose the war while supporting the troops, but you can’t then claim (persuasively, at least) that those troops’ lives were well spent. Cook, I think, is extrapolating quite reasonably from The One’s anti-war rhetoric that he regards fallen soldiers as having laid down their lives for nothing. As a matter of record, Obama doesn’t believe that. As a matter of logic, draw your own conclusions.

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hawkdriver on October 31, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Well done and thanks!

dmann on October 31, 2008 at 11:23 PM

terryannonline on October 31, 2008 at 11:17 PM

Are you for real?

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Are you for real?

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Yes, I’m for real.

terryannonline on October 31, 2008 at 11:26 PM

Big Shep fan, I guess. Somebody has to be.

capitalist piglet on October 31, 2008 at 11:27 PM

Big Shep fan, I guess. Somebody has to be.

capitalist piglet on October 31, 2008 at 11:27 PM

No I’m not a big Shep fan. Whenever he is one I tend to change the channel. I just don’t see the big upset over the interview.

terryannonline on October 31, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Shep sure can agitate. He was nicely baiting. I love that video. My nephew was there for two tours. He wants to go back again. He told me he loved it there. That we were doing some good. And the people were basically very loving. The news don’t tell the truth. I realize it is still very violent in some parts. What about here? Different violence. But, then again. Who will we call to help us. If we ever have a vicious horrible Dictator? God Bless all Soldiers. All that are fighting for us.

sheebe on October 31, 2008 at 11:43 PM

Who will we call to help us. If we ever have a vicious horrible Dictator? God Bless all Soldiers. All that are fighting for us. – sheebe on October 31, 2008 at 11:43 PM

God bless you. Stand up and fight, sheebe. Victory is in our grasp.

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Cook, I think, is extrapolating quite reasonably from The One’s anti-war rhetoric that he regards fallen soldiers as having laid down their lives for nothing. As a matter of record, Obama doesn’t believe that. As a matter of logic, draw your own conclusions.

As a matter of record, Obama does believe that.

From Obama’s anti-Iraq war speech in 2002, he said soldiers would be sacrificing in vain.

But we ought not — we will not — travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

gumble on October 31, 2008 at 11:54 PM

sheebe on October 31, 2008 at 11:43 PM

The crying shame about the war? It was never characterized as the war FOR Iraq, always as the war “with” Iraq.

Lefties and sceptics…look into this person’s eyes and tell me we are not for the Iraqi people, and always have been.

RushBaby on October 31, 2008 at 11:54 PM

There was a young Iraqi woman who blogged at Mosul Star. At first she cursed the Americans and blamed them for the deaths of the people around her. An uncle who was caught in the cross fire. She talked about the bravery of the mujihadeen “protecting” her family.

We chatted in comments about the types of restrictions the mujihadeen had placed on the people there. Then, one day, she posted about her Christian teacher being so afraid that she started wearing a hijab for fear of being targeted. The young woman first talked endlessly about how this woman should bow to the cultural sensitivities of the neighborhood or just do it to stay safe.

We talked with this young woman for weeks about freedom which she constantly talked about for her family. She wanted the Americans gone. I asked her several times what freedom meant and did she mean that she should have the freedom to force her teacher to wear the hijab or for anyone else to do so?

This young woman, she talked about school and about its conditions. From out of the internet came offers for books and money to repair that school. In the meantime, her school was shut down by the mujihadeen. No school for girls.

It started donning on this young woman that was not freedom. Particularly as the school stayed shut for weeks under threat. Of course, then she hated everyone.

Then someone sent the information about the school and its condition to someone in the military. They got up there and helped secure the area and fix the sewer and plumbing, got them more computers through a project.

Today, she does not “love” Americans, but I dare say that she has some fundamental understanding of the difference between freedom and tyranny, close up and personal.

Then there were the Fadhil brothers from Iraq the Model. I remember when their doctor brother in law was killed by Al Qaeda and their affiliates because he wanted to open a health clinic for the people in the area. Just three days after the grand opening. Those men were devastated as were their family, but they did not stop believing in freedom and democracy.

another blogger talked about being taken out of school on buses and made to stand beside the road for four hours waiting for Saddam to come by in his motorcade so they could wave flags and repeat some chant to his greatness when his older brother was missing because Saddam’s henchmen had come and taken him away from university for being “a subversive”. Yet, he was forced to give this man his allegiance everyday in school and chant his name in near prayer.

The foulness of that can never be washed away.

I could go on. The war through the eyes of the Iraqi bloggers was both terrible and, dare I say, the most enlightening. To see, first hand, how people learn to love freedom, to learn the difference between tyranny and hope.

You can say what you want, but what occurred in Iraq was liberty. What we receive is security from one less rogue tyrant and an ally in the region. What we get is 25 million more people, right in the middle of the Middle East, bordering some the least free nations in the world, who will by simple dent of their existence promote the idea of freedom that will slowly kill the ideology of hate.

maybe, that’s not your way of doing things. maybe we should simply kill everything that moves and is different. Or believe that such an ideology and such insecurity of our nation should be left to fester until it becomes such an over-riding danger to our security we must act with a force equal to WWII.

I disagree. Our security comes first, but it is built on the security of free nations around the world. Outposts and buffers against the worst that men can do.

Thank God for those who fought there and paid the price. Thank God that some still believe in doing their duty.

Kat_Mo on October 31, 2008 at 11:57 PM

Kat_Mo on October 31, 2008 at 11:57 PM

Awesome comment :-)

terryannonline on November 1, 2008 at 12:03 AM

“When you call the Iraqi Kosovo war a mistake, you disrespect the service and the sacrifice of everyone who has died promoting freedom.”

That’s just what the republicans said back then. Were they disrespecting the troops by pointing out that Clintons action in this was a mistake?

Chimpy on November 1, 2008 at 12:37 AM

What I don’t understand, is why the troops support the American people? 49.999% of us are dorks.
Blake on October 31, 2008 at 10:02 PM

Simple answer…..IT WAS OUR JOB and OUR DUTY and WE DID IT WITH HONOR.

Next Question please.

Old Hippie Vet on November 1, 2008 at 12:47 AM

Sgt. Cook and his generation certainly are due their respect despite the 4th estate and the democrat party, the left, the socialists. They do get the respect of al Qaeda in Iraq and Waziristan. Bravo Zulu to you in keeping up our American spirit.

Sergei on November 1, 2008 at 1:18 AM

If you have not ascertained that by now, you are either too stupid or too blindly partisan for any argument, however factual and eloquent, to have any effect.

Ah, taking the easy way out I see.

Your vote for Obama will have been in vain. He will lose.

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 10:47 PM

I have already voted and it was not for Obama. You can not even call my vote and you expect folks to believe that you can call the election which is more difficult. You need to learn to walk before you try to run.

MB4 on November 1, 2008 at 1:20 AM

I guess you had to be there.

Purple Fingers!

hawkdriver on October 31, 2008 at 10:48 PM

Sunni muslims voting for sunni muslims and shiite muslims voting for shiite muslims and all under a constitution enshrining islamic law.

How endearing.

MB4 on November 1, 2008 at 1:27 AM

By this, of course, I mean, we trap their furry scrawny little selves and bannish exile relocate them to more suitable wilderness.

RushBaby on October 31, 2008 at 10:53 PM

A .22 is quicker and more permanent.

MB4 on November 1, 2008 at 1:30 AM

The crying shame about the war? It was never characterized as the war FOR Iraq, always as the war “with” Iraq.

Lefties and sceptics…look into this person’s eyes and tell me we are not for the Iraqi people, and always have been.

RushBaby on October 31, 2008 at 11:54 PM

That is true RushBaby, We are for the Iraqi People. Or, guess some of us.

sheebe on November 1, 2008 at 1:50 AM

God bless you. Stand up and fight, sheebe. Victory is in our grasp.

ManlyRash on October 31, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Yes ManlyRash, Victory is in our grasp

sheebe on November 1, 2008 at 1:52 AM

Yes Ditto. Female Veteran. I can’t say it better than Old Hippie Vet. It was Our Job, Our Duty and We Did It with Honor. I can’t answer for OHV but I volunteered to do it following in a family tradition….my dad was a Navy veteran

navyvet48 on November 1, 2008 at 1:55 AM

Simple answer…..IT WAS OUR JOB and OUR DUTY and WE DID IT WITH HONOR.
Next Question please.
Old Hippie Vet on November 1, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Also
navyvet48 on November 1, 2008 at 1:55 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Even if we didn’t deserve that gift you gave us. That’s grace. It knocks me over every time I see grace lived out loud.

To see our brave defenders give their lives and reputations for somebody like John Murtha who doesn’t deserve it – and then see him return their sacrifice with a stab in the back… it makes me want to fight back for those who have given so much. They – you – deserve much better from us.

“And I’d gladly stand up next to you and defend her still today. No, there ain’t no doubt I love this land. God bless the USA!”

justincase on November 1, 2008 at 2:49 AM

“Sunni muslims voting for sunni muslims and shiite muslims voting for shiite muslims and all under a constitution enshrining islamic law.
How endearing.”

I was at a meeting where the guest speaker was one of the lawyers who helped draft the Iraqi laws. He was quite proud of the fact that the law was based upon Sharia.

davod on November 1, 2008 at 4:49 AM

You can say what you want, but what occurred in Iraq was liberty. What we receive is security from one less rogue tyrant and an ally in the region. What we get is 25 million more people, right in the middle of the Middle East, bordering some the least free nations in the world, who will by simple dent of their existence promote the idea of freedom that will slowly kill the ideology of hate.

I’m guessing you’ve never spent any time in the middle east. There are a whole host of cultural and religious reasons why your comment is horse puckey. Don’t expect to see ‘the idea of freedom’ reigning any time soon in the middle east – it never has before and the misadventure in Iraq is not necessary or sufficient cause to change that state of play.

Ares on November 1, 2008 at 7:26 AM

Shep is to FNC as the platypus is to nature.

Black Adam on November 1, 2008 at 7:32 AM

Peace, above all things, is to be desired, but blood must sometimes be spilled to obtain it on equable and lasting terms. – Andrew Jackson

I have supported this conflict since 1991, and letting a tyrant misuse a ceasefire to attempt to retain his power and undermine his opposition is an anathema to the laws of war. If you cannot trust a leader to abide by his word during wartime, then just when, exactly, can you trust him? Such agreements are more binding than treaties as they deal with the life and deaths of Nations in war. Saddam used his time and power to lower the price of oil by exporting it and depriving his people of it as that was the best way to hurt US domestic oil companies. That was testimony given to Congress years before 2003, and we were ill served by those who would not raise alarm that such a base dictator would use that venue to continue his campaign against us. Clinton and Gore came in promising to be harsh on Saddam and did *nothing* and he outlasted them, their promises on war proven false.

Now we do the hard work to show that we honor the people of the Nation we fought because it had unjust and tyrannical leadership and people complain? If you believe that the we are endowed with equal rights and that war is a great injustice then helping those who have been beset by war with no input, without their approval and without an ability to resist their government must be seen as an ultimate good thing. By giving them the ability to decide on their own and helping them learn how to defend themselves, they can then exercise the greatest power of their people which we can and will respect from a duly elected government: they can tell us to leave.

I *like that*. Rather a strong nation assured of itself with the backing of its people than putting a puppet dictator down to oppress them, which was the cheap, easy and ‘progressive’ way out of things. And, somehow, when you show you are willing to help such a society after war has been their trial by fire and you help them up to defend themselves, you gain appreciation for that work because it is damned hard work and part of Congress sending our troops to war. Twice. The second time was re-stating the case.

After Congress agrees as our representatives, then you stop questioning the mission and see what the best way to win *is* and ensure that afterwards you never, ever have to go back there and repeat a task left unfinished so your children and grandchildren are not stuck with your poor excuses and trying to make amends for *you*. Our finest tradition is to prosecute *after* the war is won…and let the history books write themselves in the decades to come. Questioning the ‘strategic mission’ ended in 1991. Finishing the job was a necessary and dirty task that should have been taken up in 1992 or 1993. I add scorn to the names of those who could have chosen to complete the job from the Oval Office but did not do so: they were weak and unwilling to finish a hard task set to us. An unjust peace brings war, how strange we have forgotten that as it is an ages old lesson.

May our volunteers come home with our appreciation for a job well done. They have done their bit and more than we should ever ask of them.

If you don’t like the mission – get rid of the politicians who agreed to it, which was a majority crossing both parties. They deserve the scorn, never our sons and daughters, fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters, who volunteer to defend us and do the dirty job that politicians send them to do for the Nation.

ajacksonian on November 1, 2008 at 7:42 AM

Shep is a tool and a welcoming agent for the nanny state. He constantly exclaims the government doesn’t do enough. His values are definitely leftist – not because he doesn’t know better- but because it improves his image. He is a caucasian Geraldo. I hope Beck knocks him out of the Fox news line-up. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Fuquay Steve on November 1, 2008 at 8:03 AM

Sunni muslims voting for sunni muslims and shiite muslims voting for shiite muslims and all under a constitution enshrining islamic law.

How endearing.

MB4 on November 1, 2008 at 1:27 AM

You are still talking about one of the few Islamic Socieities where Christians were are allowed to openly worship. No one said it was perfect.

As bad a guy as he was, Tariq Aziz is a Christian. I knew Iraqi Christians in the North. And it’s estimated 3 percent of the population has been Christian. There are few other places were in the Middle East or Southwest Asia like that.

Christians Have Been In Iraq.

Christians are Returning To Iraq.

It is not Democracy like we know it. It is Democracy none the less. To say the war is a failure because of strong Shiite influences in their government because they’re the majority population is about as stupid as beating your chest proudly because of a free and honest press in this country.

hawkdriver on November 1, 2008 at 8:17 AM

That’s just what the republicans said back then. Were they disrespecting the troops by pointing out that Clintons action in this was a mistake?

Chimpy on November 1, 2008 at 12:37 AM

What a bare-faced lie. There was never the level of opposition to Kosovo from Conservatives like the traitorous liberal bastards from the Democratic party turned their backs on the military in this conflict. You can’t just come here and make stuff up. Give up some public statements that come anywhere close to what Howard Dean or Kerry or Murtha or Code Pink has said.

hawkdriver on November 1, 2008 at 8:25 AM

Shep is consistently annoying and has been acting like a total jerk lately. This just cements it.

How much longer until FOX fires him…..

Urban Infidel on November 1, 2008 at 9:21 AM

Fuquay Steve on November 1, 2008 at 8:03 AM

Beck replaces Shep. hmmmm.

I like it!

hawkdriver on November 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM

I’m still trying to ascertain exactly what this “Victory” in Iraq has gained us that is worth the cost in blood and treasure …

You missed the point, didn’t you? The question is not “what did it gain us” but “what did it gain the people of Iraq.” The answer is “freedom” – and that, sir, is always worth the cost in blood and treasure.

“There is not greater love than this: that a man lay down his life for his brother.”

psrch on November 1, 2008 at 10:58 AM

hawkdriver on November 1, 2008 at 8:25 AM

There was opposition, me included, to Clinton’s adventure in Kosovo. Not at the same level because hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and over 4000 US military deaths didn’t happen. It also didn’t cost 8 billion dollars per month. But it was mostly conservatives that called that mission a mistake. Were they dissing the troops or not?

Chimpy on November 1, 2008 at 9:14 PM

Beck replaces Shep. hmmmm.
I like it!
hawkdriver

I actually would prefer Megyn Kelly but Beck will do.

I vote for ABS ( Anyone but Shep)

Fuquay Steve on November 2, 2008 at 8:26 AM

One great salute to a Real American. Sgt. Cooke understands what it means to sacrifice for the public good. We owe our ability to put forth socialist views because of the sacrifices of Sgt Cook and other G.I.s.

What I do not understand is why libs still live in a dream world and demand that everyone share their dream of a utopia which is an individual idea not a national one. I guess it is because we have not properly educated the next generations to properly understand the actual functions of government at all levels and their responsibility to support that government.

MSGTAS on November 2, 2008 at 9:58 AM

As a matter of record, Obama doesn’t believe that. As a matter of logic, draw your own conclusions.

My conclusions are that our Hussein misses Iraq’s Hussein something awful, and that AP and the rest of the staff here need to show some respect.

Tommygun on November 2, 2008 at 1:44 PM

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