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posted at 12:48 pm on October 30, 2008 by Allahpundit
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In which a blogger strapped for content goes gimmicky. Fear not, we’ll have an official predictions thread on Monday. I’m just curious what people are thinking at the moment — and whether I can predict the final results.

My guesses, in order: 55/14/30/<1. Go for it.


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You’re over it? Then what is driving your incomprehensible blathering? I suspect you still think Fred was screwed over and cannot face the fact that he was, is, and will always be too flawed to be the president.

csdeven on October 30, 2008 at 3:58 PM

All the anecdotal evidence when interpreted correctly, compared with historical evidence, points unequivocally to a McCain win.

Large crowds?! Palin has them.

Record breaking TV viewers of a VP debate (#2 in viewership from all time highest – Seinfeld)? Palin has it.

Surge in raising money?! Palin did it (albeit legally).

Republicans voting in larger numbers than Democrats in early voting?! Palin did it.

You’re the one off the reservation here, for the record, you boob!!!

Mcguyver on October 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Yup, abortion and gay marriage are the 2 big issues w/ the religious right, they just have to stick their noses in peoples bedrooms don’t they? If they minded their own damn business this country would be better off.

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 2:14 PM

Does a hospital utility closet for soiled linens count as a bedroom?

Thanks for the sweeping generalizations.

Laura in Maryland on October 30, 2008 at 4:17 PM

since the churches are putting up about 50% of the cash to pass Prop. 8, there’s no chance of that happening.

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM

Half of the Soros-purchased House of reps, the CTA (yeah, the same people giving an “objective education” to California’s children), the internet monster Google (AKA Gore’s mini liberal army), and the creator of the number 1 cause of college homosexuality, Apple is putting up cash to defeat it.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:18 PM

aww so you are pro-choice too, awesome!

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 4:13 PM

You must have learned how to spin from your Messiah.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Breaking news
Mac/Palin wins
(the hotar poll).
Barack will concede early on the news

Redeat Communism 08!!!!

kangjie on October 30, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Just asking for everything to be fair and square, that’s all, nothing more and nothing less.

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 4:11 PM

Just like Obama. Just like all the socialists of the past.

Life is not fair, Bingo. Get used to it.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:25 PM

aww so you are pro-choice too, awesome!

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 4:13 PM

By the way, while you were out protesting a child’s right to exist, I was at my income-creating job making donation money to defeat your futile effort.

Better luck next time, genius.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:25 PM

Mcguyver on October 30, 2008 at 4:14 PM

What historical evidence? Old polls? Bwahahahahahaaa!!! You have no clue which polling will be proven correct until after the election. It’s funny how you poll shills hate the poll providers that show McCain behind, but love the same providers who show McCain ahead.

Palin isn’t the Presidential candidate. People look to McCain, not Palin.

Why did people tune into the debate? To watch her fail or because they were interested in her. And AGAIN Palin isn’t the candidate for president. McCain is.

Palin again? Obama, legal or no, has raised 600 million and is spending it. Try un-ringing that bell.

Early voting numbers mean less than the polls you have a love/hate relationship with.

csdeven on October 30, 2008 at 4:26 PM

You have just made my point, cs.

Thanks.

Mcguyver on October 30, 2008 at 4:28 PM

I can’t wait for the fourth. Win or lose. Just so the majority of these trolls will suddenly vanish from the face of the earth.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:29 PM

Sorry, I will continue to boycott all polls, even ones that I answer.

m064404 on October 30, 2008 at 4:30 PM

I would like to know why early voting numbers are out?

Anyone else have a good solution. Why not keep it hidden and private until the day of the Election?

Maybe I am just tired and didn’t hear the news right.

upinak on October 30, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Obama will win, and it will be a dark day for the earning class. Once again, we will pay people to be useless and lazy, and further train them that hard work is for suckers. The hog trough class will be embolden and will no doubt expect more and more free money for nothing.

saiga on October 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM

Just asking for everything to be fair and square, that’s all, nothing more and nothing less.

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 4:11 PM

If that’s the case, every child that survived a failed abortion should be allowed to do one of the following to an abortion “doctor”:

1. Drown it in a saline solution
2. Stab a pair of scissors between the 2nd and 3rd spinal notch, and stick a suction tube in the incision to remove the brain matter

While we’re at it, if a person is a Christian, and a crime is committed against that person, regardless of the reason that the criminal committed that crime, the crime should be specifically labeled as a “hate crime”, thus gaining the criminal a significantly increased punishment.

I mean, since we’re all being fair, right?

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:32 PM

While we’re at it, if a person is a Christian, and a crime is committed against that person, regardless of the reason that the criminal committed that crime, the crime should be specifically labeled as a “hate crime”, thus gaining the criminal a significantly increased punishment.

You mean we could be a protected class? Does that come with mo’ benefits?

BacaDog on October 30, 2008 at 4:34 PM

You mean we could be a protected class? Does that come with mo’ benefits?

BacaDog on October 30, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Tax breaks, increased chance for qualifying for government benefits, and the ability to stack a jury. And that’s just the beginning.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:32 PM

Nice!

joepub on October 30, 2008 at 4:36 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:35 PM

DAmn! I’m gonna register my park bench and vote every chance I get!

BacaDog on October 30, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Dear Trolls,
The Hotair readership comprises people (like me) who are too ignorant and/or evil to be persuaded by rational argument. Surely your efforts would be more fruitful elsewhere. Also, please avoid polysyllabic words, as they confuse us rednecks. (:

jazz_piano on October 30, 2008 at 4:37 PM

I think you will have more luck convincing people of your position if you can tone down your anti-religion vibes.

Y-not on October 30, 2008 at 3:31 PM

since the churches are putting up about 50% of the cash to pass Prop. 8, there’s no chance of that happening.

Noneya on October 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM

I found the fundraising numbers for Prop 8 but not for the No on Prop 8 group(s), so I cannot contest your claim. I would be surprised if the financial backing for the two sides were very different in magnitude, whatever the source.

Either way, my point was that I think you are failing to recognize that people who are not religious zealots, as well as people who are not susceptible to the influence of Utah or Rome (such as many African Americans), support Prop 8.

I came into the state without having given gay marriage much thought. The state I lived in last (Indiana) didn’t have gay marriage, although my last employer (a university) had benefits for domestic partners, including gay couples. But in Indiana gay marriage was not an issue. Different demographics there and different concerns amongst the voters.

So I come to this issue as a person who is willing to accept gay families and as someone who thinks religion should be kept out of politics… nevertheless, I am planning on voting for Prop 8. It has nothing to do with the influence of religious groups or even my own religion.

I just think that if someone like me is going to be persuaded that gay marriage should be the law of the land (or even the law in California), it would behoove the people who support it to focus on the issues rather than on the religions of some of the people who oppose it. It hurts your case.

Speaking for myself, I have found myself shifting from a laissez-faire attitude about gay marriage to a more conservative (more opposed) view since moving to California… primarily because the advocates for gay marriage rely largely on emotional arguments and personal attacks on Prop 8 supporters rather than acknowledging that there are valid concerns to gay marriage.

I also think you really hurt yourself by folding abortion into your argument. They are not related. All you’re doing is causing people who are strongly pro-life/anti-abortion to tune you out.

Y-not on October 30, 2008 at 4:38 PM

DAmn! I’m gonna register my park bench and vote every chance I get!

BacaDog on October 30, 2008 at 4:37 PM

I already claimed the one by the pool in my apt. complex.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:40 PM

Ironically, increased turnout of African Americans for Obama may be what pushes the gay marriage ban over the top. Because, well, the Black community isn’t down with homosexual behavior. (This is okay; whites who oppose gay marriage, however, are bigots.)

jazz_piano on October 30, 2008 at 4:41 PM

I found the fundraising numbers for Prop 8 but not for the No on Prop 8 group(s), so I cannot contest your claim. I would be surprised if the financial backing for the two sides were very different in magnitude, whatever the source.

Actually, let me amend my own post. Looking at the breakout of donors in support of Prop 8 from the link I provided, it looks like Utah and the Catholic Church (very loosely defined since the K of C is made up of individuals, not the church hierarchy) account for less than half of the money they’ve raised.

Having said that, I don’t think where the money comes from matters, as long as they are legal donations.

Y-not on October 30, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Maybe I am just tired and didn’t hear the news right.

upinak on October 30, 2008 at 4:30 PM

Didnt read the story, but I was assuming those were exit polls.

lorien1973 on October 30, 2008 at 4:42 PM

Also, please avoid polysyllabic words, as they confuse us rednecks. (:

jazz_piano on October 30, 2008 at 4:37 PM

Yes, English only please ;(

neuquenguy on October 30, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I already claimed the one by the pool in my apt. complex.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:40 PM

So did the 50 illegal aliens that clean the pool in the summertime.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:44 PM

(This is okay; whites who oppose gay marriage, however, are bigots.)

jazz_piano on October 30, 2008 at 4:41 PM

yeah, or religious fundamentalists.

I always find the double standards applied by liberals to the choices of protected groups to be really amusing. My favorite example is how the left loves Native Americans but hates hunting.

Y-not on October 30, 2008 at 4:44 PM

My favorite example is how the left loves Native Americans but hates hunting.

Oh now, they’d claim that they don’t hate hunting, just guns and killing animals.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:47 PM

(This is okay; whites who oppose gay marriage, however, are bigots.)
jazz_piano on October 30, 2008 at 4:41 PM

Should’ve marked this as sarcasm, just in case.

jazz_piano on October 30, 2008 at 4:48 PM

So did the 50 illegal aliens that clean the pool in the summertime.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:44 PM

I have swords. What’s their trump card?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:53 PM

I found this post from a PUMA embed in the Obama campaign. Check it out. It confirms that they are VERY afraid of Sarah, and they are trying to get voters to not show up assuming Obama is unstoppable.

From hillbuzz (PUMA’s):from sarah p: Ok, I want to clear my conscious a little. Hopefully you could make a blog post to help some fellow Clinton supporters out. I work for a campaign and can’t wait for this week to be over. I was doing it for a job. I was not a fan of any candidate but over time grew to love HRC. The internal campaign idea is to twist, distort, humiliate, and finally dispirit you. We pay people and organize people to go to all the online sites and ‘play the part of a Clinton or McCain supporter who just switched our support for Obama’ We do this to stifle your motivation and to destroy your confidence. We did this the whole primary and it worked. Sprinkle in mass vote confusion and it becomes bewildering. Most people lose patience and just give up on their support of a candidate and decide to just block out TV, news, websites etc. This surprisingly has had a huge suppressing movement and vote turnout issues. Next, we infiltrate all the blogs and all the youtube videos and overwhelm the voting, the comments, etc. All to continue this appearance of overwhelming world support. people make posts to the effect that the world has ‘gone mad’. That’s the intention. To make you feel stressed and crazy and feel like the world is ending. We have also had quite a hand in skewing many polls, some we couldn’t control as much as we would have liked. But many we have spoiled over. Just enough to make Real Clear Politics (RCP) look scarey to a McCain supporter, It worked, although the goal was to appear 13=15 points ahead. See, the results have been working. People tend to support a winner, go with the flow, become ’sheeple’. The polls are roughly 3-5 points in favor of Barack. That’s due to our inflation of the polls and pulling in the sheeple. Our donors, are the same people who finance the MSM. Their interests are tied. Barack then tends to come across as teflon. Nothing sticks. And trust (me), there were meetings with Fox news. The goal was to blunt them as much as possible. Watch Bill O’Reilly he has become more diplomatic and ‘fair and balanced’ and soft. It’s because he wants to retain the #1 spot on cable news and to do that he has to have access to the Obama campaign and we worked hard at stringing him along and keeping him soft for an interview swap. It worked and now he is anticipating more access. So he is playing it still soft. This is why nothing sticks. The operation is massive, the goal is to paint a picture that is that of a winner, regardless of the results. There is no true inauguration draft or true Grant Park construction going on. There will be a party, but we are boasting beyond the truth to make it seem like the election is wrapped up. Our goal is to continue to make you lose your moral(e). We worked hard at persuasion and paying off and timing and playing the right political numbers to get key Republican endorsements to make it seem even more like it was over and the world was coming to an end for you all. There is a huge staff of people working around the clock, watching every site, blogs, etc. We flood these sites. We have had a goal to overwhelm. The truth is here. I could go on and on, but you get the picture. I am saying this because I know HRC was better for our country, and now realize this. I was too late by the time I connected to her. To me Barack was just a cool young dude that seemed like a star. I didn’t know him or his policies, but now I understand more than I care to and I realize his interests are more for him, and the DNC and all working like puppets with Dean. I always thought a president wanted the better good for the country. The end result I see is everyone dependent on the government,this means more and more people voting for the DNC. This means the future is forever altered. I don’t see this as America, so I am now supporting John McCain. Sarah Palin is a huge threat, and our campaign has feared her like you can’t imagine. if it seems unfair how she has been treated, well its because she has had a team working round the clock to make her look like a fool. This is a big conspiracy and I am so shocked that it’s not realized. We released a little blurb the other day that the Obama campaign was already working on re-election and putting our efforts towards 2012. this was to make it seem like it was above us to continue caring about 2008. Trust me, it’s a lie. David is very smart, but its a sticky ugly not very truthful kind of intelligence. it’s not over yet, but I think the machine is working. And it’s a hill to climb. I will be quitting my post on Nov 5th and my vote will be for John McCain. Fortunately, my position has been a marketing position and I don’t feel I had any part of anything I would feel guilty for. But I look forward to getting out of this as the negativity and environment upsets me. i wish you all well, and goodluck. PS: my name is not really sarah but I am a female and I understand your plight. (this is techno: I don’t know if it’s genuine or not; I’ll let you decide for yourself.)

Sapwolf on October 30, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Grue – This is from the AZ Sec of State site:

RIGHT TO VOTE A PROVISIONAL BALLOT

You have a right to vote a provisional ballot if one of the following situations applies to you:

* if your name does not appear on the precinct register and you are in the correct polling place
* if you have moved to a new address within the county and have not updated your voter registration
* if you have legally changed your name and have not updated your voter registration
* if you requested an early ballot but did not vote it
* if you have not produced sufficient identification
* if you were challenged as a qualified elector

To vote a provisional ballot:

* present to the election officer an identification stating your given name and surname,
* present to the election officer your complete residence address, or
* sign an affirmation stating that you are a registered voter in this jurisdiction and are eligible to vote.
* if you vote a provisional ballot, the election official will enter your name on the signature roster. You will be asked to provide your signature next to your name.

Once you have voted a provisional ballot, your ballot will be placed in a provisional ballot envelope which you can seal. The election official will ensure that the envelope is sealed. You will then be given a provisional ballot receipt with information on how to verify the status of your provisional ballot. If you are provided a provisional ballot because you did not produce appropriate identification, you will be provided instructions on how and where to produce identification to assure your vote is counted.

http://www.azsos.gov/election/2006/Info/PubPamphlet/english/info.htm

There’s no sitting this out. You’re fighting this fight with us!

JadeNYU on October 30, 2008 at 4:58 PM

I have swords. What’s their trump card?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 4:53 PM

This

and this.

Perhaps not in that order.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 4:59 PM

I really believe it is simply whether McCain voters turn out in Rovian numbers and we win this thing period.

Obama is a marxist and his redistribution talk and beliefs are finally seaping through.

Get out and vote and get others to vote McCain.

Sapwolf on October 30, 2008 at 4:59 PM

Obama is a marxist

Hopefully that false message won’t work on November 4th

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Obama is a marxist
Hopefully that false message won’t work on November 4th

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Sorry mycowardice, but it is true. I’ve been studying his past words, work, speeches, video clips, etc. He actually is Marxist in his views on political power and economics.

However, the message may not get to enough voters by Tuesday, primarily due to the MSM covering his past.

Sapwolf on October 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Obama…not even close. Hate to say it.

tomas on October 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Sorry mycowardice, but it is true. I’ve been studying his past words, work, speeches, video clips, etc. He actually is Marxist in his views on political power and economics.

However, the message may not get to enough voters by Tuesday, primarily due to the MSM covering his past.

Sapwolf on October 30, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Can he be both a Marxist and a Christian?

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM

My favorite example is how the left loves Native Americans but hates hunting.

How the Native Americans feel about the left:
http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qKgBIMv1xI

lobosan5 on October 30, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Can he be both a Marxist and a Christian?

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Based on his associations and abortion stance, do you really think he IS a Christian?

Or does he just play one at a Racist Church every other Sunday?

Romeo13 on October 30, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Hopefully that false message won’t work on November 4th

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Likening a redistributionist with a redistributionist isn’t a false message.

Obama is on record for defending redistributionism, and the tax plan that he claims responsibility for on his website outlines increasing taxes on wealthy Americans in order to provide a “tax credit”.

Pay attention, son, I’m about to teach you something that you obviously don’t understand.

Since Obama does not state that it is a “REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT”, it entails that taxes does not first have to be paid to the government in order to receive the credit, which means that Americans that do not generate income still qualify, and can receive the credit. This is called “INCOME REDISTRIBUTION” and is a founding principal of “Marxism”.

Perhaps you should understand what the hell you’re talking about before making yourself look like the moronic liberal that you are.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Based on his associations and abortion stance, do you really think he IS a Christian?

Or does he just play one at a Racist Church every other Sunday?

Romeo13 on October 30, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I think it’s not for me to judge. It’s above my pay grade to see what is in Obama’s heart.

But I think the two theories (Marxism and Christianity) appear to have some contradictions.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Obama and education reform. A look at the future?

http://www.reuters.com/news/pictures/rpSlideshows?articleId=USRTXA2LI20081030#a=16

“You will be reformed!”

Abby Adams on October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Can he be both a Marxist and a Christian?

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Based on his associations and abortion stance, do you really think he IS a Christian?

Or does he just play one at a Racist Church every other Sunday?

Romeo13 on October 30, 2008 at 5:19 PM

No. Obama is NOT a Christian. The infanticide issue is why. Also, he uses the alledged Christianity of Reverend Wright’s church for political purposes much like some turncoat Catholics do like Biden.

He is not muslim nor christian. He has one religion, himself and the power that goes with the Presidency.

Sapwolf on October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM

This is called “INCOME REDISTRIBUTION” and is a founding principal of “Marxism”.

Perhaps you should understand what the hell you’re talking about before making yourself look like the moronic liberal that you are.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Really? I thought the fundamental principle of Marxism was the control of the means of production by the working class.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Also, wasn’t the Earned Income Tax Credit something Ronald Reagan signed into law? That’s what I read on the internet…

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:27 PM

But I think the two theories (Marxism and Christianity) appear to have some contradictions.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Correct. Obama isn’t a Protestant Christian, and he’s not a Catholic Christian, he’s a Black Liberation Theologist just like Jeremiah Wright. BLT was founded by James Cone, and has some very scary similarities to Marxism.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:27 PM

WOW, 80 percent of Hot-Airers believe McCain will win??

The optimism would make Reagan proud. =)

Lincoln on October 30, 2008 at 5:28 PM

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Well, you’ve got me there.

I believe that Reagan is perfect, therefore, if he signed something into law, it must be good.

CPUSA, you’ve got a new member!

JadeNYU on October 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Obama’s lifelong Marxist affinities, in detail

RushBaby on October 30, 2008 at 5:30 PM

Also, wasn’t the Earned Income Tax Credit something Ronald Reagan signed into law? That’s what I read on the internet…

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:27 PM

Key word:

EARNED INCOME

Obama’s tax credits extend to those that don’t earn an income. And if they do, he sure doesn’t specify that. I refuse to believe that a man that has hundreds of millions of dollars in disposable campaign money and an army of educated liberals at his disposal couldn’t specify that on his website that has millions of hits a day.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Well, you’ve got me there.

I believe that Reagan is perfect, therefore, if he signed something into law, it must be good.

CPUSA, you’ve got a new member!

JadeNYU on October 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM

No, but was Reagan a marxist? A socialist?

And don’t look at me, it’s leetpriest that started telling me that:

Pay attention, son, I’m about to teach you something that you obviously don’t understand.

Since Obama does not state that it is a “REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT”, it entails that taxes does not first have to be paid to the government in order to receive the credit, which means that Americans that do not generate income still qualify, and can receive the credit. This is called “INCOME REDISTRIBUTION” and is a founding principal of “Marxism”.

But maybe you can talk to me about the income tax credit McCain wants to give everyone for healthcare.

My overall point is that I hate this marxist namecalling.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Well, you’ve got me there.

I believe that Reagan is perfect, therefore, if he signed something into law, it must be good.

CPUSA, you’ve got a new member!

JadeNYU on October 30, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Even though I understand you’re being sarcastic, you shouldn’t believe some jackass liberal like mycowardice that google’d “EIC” and regurgitated what some anarchist spat out when he was high.

These liberals will do anything to try to make Regan look bad. I guess they got tired of trying to make Carter look good.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:36 PM

I think it’s not for me to judge. It’s above my pay grade to see what is in Obama’s heart.

It’s pretty sad that you have to fall back on Obama’s own cop-out because you can’t even come up with one of your own, much less that you have to cop out in the first place.

SAD.

And it’s pretty easy to judge. Look at what Obama does. Compare it to the Bible. There’s a significant lack of cohesion. Therefore, not a Christian. “Clinging to their religion” ring a bell? Any man who can say that does not know God.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM

My overall point is that I hate this marxist namecalling.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Sorry Bingo, accuracy above comfort.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM

According to Engels, Communism is:

Communism is the doctrine of the conditions of the liberation of the proletariat.

And this is how he felt it could be achieved:

the proletarian can free himself only by abolishing private property in general.

And, in his list of how this revolution would progress, he listed the following as item 1:

(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.

So, I think it’s fair to say that, just because Obama does not come out and explicitly for Communism in it’s entirety, there is room to argue that what he’s working for is advancement of a Communist agenda.

He’s probably not cool enough to be a full-on Commie though. I’m thinking he’s much more of a garden-variety socialist myself.

JadeNYU on October 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM

And it’s pretty easy to judge. Look at what Obama does. Compare it to the Bible. There’s a significant lack of cohesion. Therefore, not a Christian. “Clinging to their religion” ring a bell? Any man who can say that does not know God.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:37 PM

I personally find it quite pretentious to judge who is and who isn’t the real christian among us. I believe that is a task best left to God.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:39 PM

But maybe you can talk to me about the income tax credit McCain wants to give everyone for healthcare.

My overall point is that I hate this marxist namecalling.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:35 PM

You only get as much of the McCain Tax credit as you pay for health insurance. Its essentialy taking the tax credit that Companies currently get for giving you health insurance, and give it to you to buy your own health insurance.

Its a move to disconnect health insurance, from employment, as for the self employed, or unemployed, you are left out by the current system.

But you already knew that if you have bothered to study the plans at all… or… hmmm… maybe not.

Romeo13 on October 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM

But maybe you can talk to me about the income tax credit McCain wants to give everyone for healthcare.

My overall point is that I hate this marxist namecalling.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:35 PM

Guy,

Read what you’re saying.

INCOME TAX CREDIT = this means that you get a break on your income taxes. You have to make an income first.

Obama’s plan states a TAX CREDIT. There is no precursor to have an income to receive a state-generated benefit.

Are you really as stupid as you appear? Or are you selectively reading?

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM

He’s probably not cool enough to be a full-on Commie though. I’m thinking he’s much more of a garden-variety socialist myself.

JadeNYU on October 30, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Well that’s a start!

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:41 PM

I personally find it quite pretentious to judge who is and who isn’t the real christian among us. I believe that is a task best left to God.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:39 PM

LOL, well being Agnostic, I’ll decide who I think is being a Hypocrit… based on the differences between actions, and rhetoric.

Romeo13 on October 30, 2008 at 5:42 PM

I believe that is a task best left to God.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Would you take the Pope’s word for it?

Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger’s (now Pope Benedict XVI) message about liberation theology:

“In its positive meaning the Church of the poor signifies the preference given to the poor, without exclusion, whatever the form of their poverty, because they are preferred by God…But the theologies of liberation…go on to a disastrous confusion between the poor of the Scripture and the proletariat of Marx. In this way they pervert the Christian meaning of the poor, and they transform the fight for the rights of the poor into a class fight within the ideological perspective of the class struggle.”

RushBaby on October 30, 2008 at 5:44 PM

But maybe you can talk to me about the income tax credit McCain wants to give everyone for healthcare.

mycowardice on October 30, 2008 at 5:35 PM

On that note, you should read around here more often. I don’t support McCain. I’m a state’s rights advocate. Federal Income Taxes is illegal and reflective of a socialist system in my opinion.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM

Federal Income Taxes is illegal and reflective of a socialist system in my opinion.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:46 PM

I agree. Very much against the original intent of the Fathers.

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Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:47 PM

Let’s take a look at Obamaism through the lens of Table 1.1 in Stanley Payne’s “A History of Fascism 1914-1945″ and see what we can dig up, shall we? (Page 7)

A. Ideology and Goals
1)Espousal of an idealist, vitalist, and voluntaristic philosophy involving the attempt to realize a new modern, self-determined, and secular culture: Yes
2) Creation of a new nationalist authoritarian state not based on traditional principles or models: Obama’s goals are really more internationalist than nationalist–in this he’s far more attuned to Mao, Lenin, and others from the left than Hitler, Mussolini, or similar nationalist fascist leaders; but, like all of the above, he does exhibit a strong authoritarian streak that we will most likely see far more of should he gain power.
3) Organization of a new highly regulated, multiclass, integrated national economic structure: Most definitely
4) Positive evaluation and use of, or willingness to use, violence and war. Most definitely
5) The goal of empire, expansion, or a radical change in the nation’s relationship with other powers: That’s an interesting question. While I don’t think Obama seeks empire in the traditional sense, I do feel that, from a few of his remarks regarding “changing the world” that he does seek an ideological expansion–again more Mao here than Hitler and Mussolini. He also does seek a radical shift in our country’s relationship with other powers–including probably a turning away and eventual selling out of Israel.

B. The Fascist Negation:

1)Antiliberalism: Yes in the sense of opposition to individual inalienable rights, private property, and the free market–in other words, classical liberalism
2)Anticommunism: No. He actually has very strong Maoist tendencies.
3)Anticonservatism:Most definitely. Obama has nothing but disdain for traditional American institutions

C. Style and Organization:

1)Attempted mass mobilization with militarization of political relationships and style and with the goal of a mass party militia: Yes! ACORN and similar organizations provides an instant cadre for a party militia and Obama’s oratory style “get in their faces” and calls for a national security corp equal in funding to the military strongly support this point.
2)Emphasis on the aesthetic structure of meetings, symbols, and political liturgy, stressing emotional and mystical aspects: Yes! Invesco field; hagiographic art, references as a Lightworker, all point to this.
3)Extreme stress on the masculine principle and male dominance while espousing a strongly organic view of society: Yes, with qualifications. The misogyny of the Obama campaign and of Obama himself is quite evident. As to the second element–organic view of society–that’s not so evident, as yet.
4)Exaltation of youth above all other phases of life, emphasizing the conflict of generations, at least in effecting the initial political transformation: Yes, very much so.
5)Specific tendency towards an authoritarian, charismatic, personal style of command, whether or not the command is to some degree elective: Most definitely

If this doesn’t get any leaners off the fence and for McCain–then nothing will. And you Obama supporters here–notice, I am not being sarcastic with you here, because I am deadly serious and I’m trying to reach you one last time, if this does not give you cause to think real hard about your choice, then I don’t know what will.

Matt Helm on October 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Matt Helm on October 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

Matt wins the thread. That was awesome.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM

Matt Helm on October 30, 2008 at 5:50 PM

I felt this thrill running up my leg, I don’t get that too often.

Matt wins the thread. That was awesome.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:52 PM

I agree.

leetpriest on October 30, 2008 at 5:58 PM

Why does anyone here even talk to the little coward anymore after the lies he tells about the administrators and posters here at HA?

HotAir supports imprisoning people indefinitely without cause
Posted by mycowardice under Hot Air, Right wing, Rule of law

He comes here and asks the stupidest questions and cuts and pastes your comments and answers on his site. He’s also a sockpuppeter here and on his own site. He has faked “angry, mean racist conservatives”, on his own site and then made a thread about it. You can tell he’s going to be a great trail Lawyer. I don’t give him the time of day anymore. His posts are an insult to everyone here. And BTW, he thinks you’re a bunch of “morons”.

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 5:59 PM

Maybe the coward can explain, (if he won’t go away) why the safe income level not to receive a tax increase keeps changing daily by Obiden.

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:02 PM

The more he spams HA, the more Red Star lapel pins he wins!

Kevin in Washington State on October 30, 2008 at 6:03 PM

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 5:59 PM

I have nothing better to do with my time at the moment. Slow day at work. :P

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 5:43 PM

The problem with that Grue is that even among Christians there is not an agreement on the doctrines. Therefore if you accept the Catholic church as the original Christian church founded by Saint Peter, are you now saying that all Protestant forms are to be marked and ignored? I have no desire for the Christian community to become fractured and dissonant. We have more to gain by working for common goals than we do by laboring on what are often small points of doctrine with little impact on real life decisions.

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:03 PM

Maybe the coward can explain, (if he won’t go away) how Dear Leader considers himself a Christian with such an extreme view of abortion rights.

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:04 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:03 PM

You p’wn him in every exchange anyway.

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:03 PM

I’ll agree to that, in a secular sense… in the church itself I would disagree, we wouldn’t allow a Baptist or a Catholic or etc. to teach their doctrines in our church and I doubt they would do likewise.

However, much of what Obama has said and done is refuted by nearly every denomination, as far as I’m aware. There’s no question really if what he’s doing is wrong. So I think in his case the verse is also applicable in a secular sense.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:05 PM

DO NOT VOTE IN THIS POLL BY ALLAHPUNDIT!!!

HE IS EVIL AND HATES AMERICA — AND PALIN!!!

DON’T TOUCH ANYTHING HE POSTS!!

grtflmark on October 30, 2008 at 6:17 PM

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:02 PM

Not only does it change daily, it keeps moving downward. It started at $250,000 during the debates and Joe the Plumber discussions. Then Obama lowered it to $200,000 in his infomercial and Biden has been out saying $150,000.

This is a “bait and switch” marketing strategy. They spent all their time selling and defending the $250,000 number and at the last moment they are dropping small mentions that bring it lower. This is so they can gain the benefit of entrenching the $250,000 number in out heads later but they can claim they did not lie when the number actually turns out to be $150,000 instead.

So it seems that if Joe the Plumber were able to buy his business that he probably would get a tax increase as he feared. We need an ad on this.

—————–

Show various headlines where analysts say Obama cannot pay for his spending increases with the cuts he has proposed.

Announcer: The money for all the new spending that Obama has proposed will have to come from somewhere. The Democrats have admitted up front that they are going to raise taxes.

Obama saying $250,000
Obama saying $200,000
Biden saying $150,000

Announcer: The number keeps coming down. Tax and spend Democrats. Hold on to your pocketbooks! (in large letters on the screen)

——————-

Bam! There it is. In a time when so many are struggling and the fear of more taxes looms large, I feel this would be effective.

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:19 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Indeed, we have common ground to oppose many of the Obama positions regardless of our specific denomination. I think that you and I are on the same page here.

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:19 PM

But the coward never answers questions. He only asks them. And then cherry picks what is said here and posts them on his sophmoric excuse for a blog and twists everything that is said here.

Did I mention he was a sockpuppet?

I would like to know how Obiden can get away with statements like that, that would put the media on McCains or Palins butts though like white on rice.

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:25 PM

Obama will win, and it will be a dark day for the earning class. Once again, we will pay people to be useless and lazy, and further train them that hard work is for suckers. The hog trough class will be embolden and will no doubt expect more and more free money for nothing.

saiga on October 30, 2008 at 4:31 PM

You been on HA long? If not, what’s A-Rod paying you? Is it the $9 per hour per the proposed increase in the minimum wage?

Obviously, you are trying to get AP’s job with the unmerited pessimism.

Sapwolf on October 30, 2008 at 6:27 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Indeed, we have common ground to oppose many of the Obama positions regardless of our specific denomination. I think that you and I are on the same page here.

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM

I agree with you both to a certain extent.

I don’t ever mean to judge, but the abortion issue is a big one with me. I don’t have a single Christian friend who believes that abortion is right, let alone a right. I know they are out there, but I just can’t fathom how they square it with what the Bible says.

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:29 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/31/us/politics/31ohio.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Can he use that campaign money to pay for lawyers?

hawkdriver on October 30, 2008 at 6:33 PM

Shock and awe. Obama’s $600 million won’t be enough. The MSM is going to refuse to call the night, calling states toss ups, too close to call, but when the chips are down McCain is going to walk away with room to spare.

El_Terrible on October 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Indeed, we have common ground to oppose many of the Obama positions regardless of our specific denomination. I think that you and I are on the same page here.

Hawthorne on October 30, 2008 at 6:22 PM

Sure seems like it. I apologize, I’m not exactly the clearest 90% of the time.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:45 PM

Who’s going to win?

You’re kidding* right,Is this a joke*!(Sarc.)

Its going to be Team Maverick/SarahCuda all the way,Baby!

Come Tuesday night,a lot of Liberals will be committing
Hari-Kari,me thinks!!!A hem!

*(canopfor,actually does not regret plagerizing
GaffeBiden,and is getting a kick out of utilizing
said quote!)(partial Sarc.)Haha.

canopfor on October 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM

I certainly hope that not only does Obma lose, but evidence is found directly linking him to voter fraud, Acorn, the failure of Freddie and Fannie and that he is anti-semitic.

mindhacker on October 30, 2008 at 6:46 PM

I voted for what I hope will happen, opt. 1.
The media has me thinking it’s going to be an Obama landslide. But my faith in the American people tells me the opposite.

TheSitRep on October 30, 2008 at 6:48 PM

Shock and awe. Obama’s $600 million won’t be enough. The MSM is going to refuse to call the night, calling states toss ups, too close to call, but when the chips are down McCain is going to walk away with room to spare. -El_Terrible on October 30, 2008 at 6:42 PM

Fox News will be the first to call it for McCain – sometime before 10:30 PM. MSNBC will be the last, sometime around 4 AM on November 5.

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 6:51 PM

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 6:51 PM

So is it true what I heard ’bout you lately, or is Roger just spouting nonsense at the moon?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 6:55 PM

What have you heard about me? (I can’t keep track, as folks here are ALWAYS talkin about Manly Rash).

What nonsense (other than the usual nonsense) is RodgerDodger spouting lately?

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 6:59 PM

HE IS EVIL AND HATES AMERICA — AND PALIN!!! DON’T TOUCH ANYTHING HE POSTS!! – grtflmark on October 30, 2008 at 6:17 PM

Forgot the /sarc tag, Marko.

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 7:01 PM

What nonsense (other than the usual nonsense) is RodgerDodger spouting lately?

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 6:59 PM

Another bet, this one on the election, stakes permenant departure?

Wouldn’t surprise me, as you made the same offer to Dave, just curious if it’s factual.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 7:02 PM

I believe Palin/McCain will win. There are several Democrats at my workplace that were strongly for Kerrey back in 2004, and Gore in 2000. They are voting McCain. I don’t know ANY Republicans that are voting for Obama.

Anecdotal to be sure, but I’ve heard the same from others. Will it be enough to cancel out the new voters legit or not (ACORN)?

I think we will squeak by.

ZzzzDad on October 30, 2008 at 7:06 PM

Another bet, this one on the election, stakes permenant departure? Wouldn’t surprise me, as you made the same offer to Dave, just curious if it’s factual. – Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 7:02 PM

Dave is a chickenshit who got burned once and now is twice shy. I made a bet earlier with Jay12 (dinner for 4 at Ruth’s Chris) but I can’t recall making a bet with Roger. Link.

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 7:10 PM

I think we will squeak by. – ZzzzDad on October 30, 2008 at 7:06 PM

More than squeak by. McCain will win handily.

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 7:11 PM

but I can’t recall making a bet with Roger. Link.

ManlyRash on October 30, 2008 at 7:10 PM

the only good thing from an Obama election would be WomanlyRush leaving this forum with his redundant boring ass posts and maybe you would pipe down for an hour or two as well…but I doubt it.

Roger Waters on October 30, 2008 at 4:05 PM
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/30/fox-news-poll-mccain-nets-five-points-since-last-week-now-within-three/comment-page-2/#comment-1579007

There ya go.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 7:13 PM

Oh my Word. Ya’ll are delusional

LibertarianConservative on October 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM

My prediction:
Obama wins the popular vote, but the electoral vote is a tie. The Republicans manage to hold on to 49 seats in the Senate. The Democrats gain some ground in the House.
.
After the new Congress is sworn in, the electoral votes are counted and the decision goes to Congress. The Democrats easily elect Obama as President. However, Lieberman joins with all Republican Senators in support of Palin; V.P. Cheney casts the tiebreaking vote, resulting in an Obama/Palin administration.
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Shortly thereafter, Obama’s birth certificate is made public, and it is determined that he is not a natural-born citizen. Sarah Palin is inaugurated as Vice President on January 20, and immediately succeeds to the Presidency because Barack Obama is ineligible, leaving the office empty. Shortly thereafter, she nominates John McCain to be Vice President, and Congress (reluctantly, perhaps) confirms him.
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Palin/ McCain 2008!
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Seriously, though, I’m expecting Obama to win both the popular and electoral votes. I just take comfort in the knowledge that I’m usually wrong in predicting elections (I’ve already voted for McCain).

malclave on October 30, 2008 at 7:15 PM

Oh my Word. Ya’ll are delusional

LibertarianConservative on October 30, 2008 at 7:14 PM

I prefer “hopelessly optimistic” :)

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 30, 2008 at 7:16 PM

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