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Post-racial media: White people shouldn’t vote

posted at 1:45 pm on October 27, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Brilliant, cutting satire or earnest policy suggestion?  The Philadelphia Inquirer runs Jonathan Valania’s column proposing a moratorium on Caucasian votes in Pennsylvania as a response to bald assertions of Keystone State racism from John Murtha and Ed Rendell.  Valania says whites in the hinterlands can’t be trusted with the franchise:

As a lifelong Caucasian, I am beginning to think the time has finally come to take the right to vote away from white people, at least until we come to our senses. Seriously, I just don’t think we can be trusted to exercise it responsibly anymore.

I give you Exhibit A: The last eight years.

In 2000, Bush-Cheney stole the election, got us attacked, and then got us into two no-exit wars. Four years later, white people reelected them. Is not the repetition of the same behavior over and over again with the expectation of a different outcome the very definition of insanity? (It is, I looked it up.)

Exhibit B is any given Sarah Palin rally.

Exhibit C would be Ed Rendell and John Murtha, who in separate moments of on-the-record candor they would come to regret, pointing out that there are plenty of people in Pennsylvania who just cannot bring themselves to pull the lever for a black man – no matter what they tell pollsters.

“Got us attacked” — you have to love the world-began-in-2001 mentality behind that statement.  Jonathan, we got attacked in 1993 (World Trade Center I), 1996 (Khobar Towers), 1998 (embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya) and 2000 (USS Cole).  The result of 9/11, which apparently Valania thinks we somehow provoked (by using the phrase “got us attacked”), was at least one war both presidential candidates have pledged to fight harder.  The other, Iraq, is about to wind down completely in victory, no thanks to Barack Obama, who demanded that we flee Iraq when the going got tough.

That’s why I tend to lean away from the “satire” explanation of the column, and lean more towards “earnest and mild hyperbole”.  Even if Valania isn’t serious about stripping white people of the franchise, which I’ll assume, it’s clear that he thinks the only reason left to oppose Barack Obama is racism.  Apparently the editors of the Inquirer also think the same thing, or at least that the allegation is credible enough to publish a column that suggests a color barrier to voting as a solution to it.  He picks up where Obama left off in describing his white neighbors as basically paranoid bigots who cling to guns and religion in fear of the Coming Black Menace.

In other words, Valania is nothing more than a liberal bigot who sees the entire world in terms of race.  According to this column, Obama’s positions on abortion, taxes, federal spending, national security, and diplomacy are so noncontroversial that the only reason to oppose them is the color of Obama’s skin.  That speaks to Valania’s narrow-mindedness, and that of the Inquirer, much more than it does the people of western Pennsylvania.


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Well, actually, it isn’t. I get a little tired of hearing people say that. It has become cliche, and the fodder of the weak-minded.

One could say the same exact thing about persistence (doing the same thing over and over again until you succeed).

samuelrylander on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Albert Einstein

In many peoples view, Einstein, as one of the smartest people ever, accuratly defined ONE definition of insanity.

Romeo13 on October 27, 2008 at 2:21 PM

and many of those don’t know the difference between his policies and those of John McCain.

Rbastid on October 27, 2008 at 1:49 PM

Worse than not knowing: some think McCain’s policies are Obama’s.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM

I think the time has come to take that dumb ass leftist and throw the bum out of our country. That’s typical divisive liberal garbage and it must be forcefully challenged wherever it exists. Don’t ever yield . . . meet them head on and beat them.

rplat on October 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM

“HE DONE GOT US ATTACKED!”

Wait, I thought the uneducated necks were all on our side of the aisle. Dude probably drives a Kia.

ClassicCon on October 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM

This has to be satircal. It can’t be true. Like the whole election.

Akzed on October 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Really! Folks I hang with blame the terrorists.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:17 PM

Indeed, first, foremost, and forever. However, much could have been done by the Clinton admin. and a few others too.

To be sure, no doubt about it – I blame the terrorists.

Entelechy on October 27, 2008 at 2:23 PM

sanguine4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Did he say only give the test to African Americas?

Didn’t think so.

This guy says no white voters.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:24 PM

In many peoples view, Einstein, as one of the smartest people ever, accuratly defined ONE definition of insanity.

Romeo13 on October 27, 2008 at 2:21 PM

Another tragic Einstein quote: “A country cannot simultaneously prepare and prevent war.” The truth is one cannot do the second without the first.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:25 PM

Einstein was a great mind, not a great man, by his own account.

Entelechy on October 27, 2008 at 2:27 PM

highhopes – I have not discounted the ACORN vote. Just depending on one thing – God is still in control – not ACORN.

I pray that their sins get found out quickly.

What I hope is even with ACORN’s cheating – it is still an uncontested landslide for McCain!

kybowexar on October 27, 2008 at 2:08 PM

Of course God is still in control but does He continue to provide America with a special providence? In these days where state after state legitimizes sodomite marriage, we continue to kill off unborn life, and all the other ways the left and left-leaning “conservatives” have undermined our nation, I’m not so sure God is still looking out for us as a nation.

The Democrats are constantly screaming that they also have faith but where are those faithful Democrats rising up and condemning ACORN and all the other filth put through in the name of liberalism?

I’m sorry but I’m very pessimistic about God’s providence these days when His American children have become so disobedient to his word.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Depends on what happens with the military…

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:15 PM

There are more of us EX- Military than there are military, and who and what do you think the military is going to fight for …….. A Communist President that is tanking the United States of America or the United States of America?

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM

William F. Buckley supported a literacy test for voters years ago and would have been quite happy to see entire swaths of the population denied their right.

sanguine4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM

William F. Buckley was a brilliant man. I don’t necessarily think literacy should be the test, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a basic civics test of some sort. Something like, who controls the congress? And if you can’t answer that, you don’t get to vote.

pannw on October 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM

After I read anything from the Inquirer, I feel dirty. I have to go wash.

Jaibones on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

who and what do you think the military is going to fight for …….. A Communist President that is tanking the United States of America or the United States of America?

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM

If it should come to such a terrible situation, I’m confident there will be a divide: some who, despite their reservations (if any) for Obama, will side with their original oath to fight for the United States (defined as the government, sadly); and some who will see the damage done by Obama and his kind as an abomination and declare their oaths to protect the US to apply to the people the government is hurting.

The question then becomes what the percentiles of each will be, and what will happen next.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

From the article…

“I have broken kielbasa with those people. I went to school with their children. I have gone to Sunday Mass with a deer-hunter hangover with those people. They are bitter with good reason, and they are armed because they are scared. They mean well, but they are easily spooked.”

Now when I read that the first time, I had not even considered that it might be satire. I just thought it was a freudian slip. Now, I’m not so sure.

I still tend to agree with Ed, and believe this guy is a nut (with a Freudian slip). But he won’t be welcome at Oktoberfest or mass anymore. Maybe the deer hunt, if he agrees to wear orange.

connertown on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Something like, who controls the congress? And if you can’t answer that, you don’t get to vote.

pannw on October 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Bingo. I’d throw in a few trick questions.

Jaibones on October 27, 2008 at 2:32 PM

As a lifelong Caucasian, I am beginning to think the time has finally come to take the right to work in any profession away from white people, at least until we come to our senses. Seriously, I just don’t think we can be trusted to be engineers, doctors, airline pilots, computer programmers, plumbers, electricians, etc. anymore.

MB4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:09 PM

Please stop spreading the ignorance of a journalistic hack who should have a better command of English. How can somebody be a “lifelong” Caucasian? This isn’t something that one can change if they so choose. You can’t even go in to get an operation the way that “lifelong women” can be separated from the other kind.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:33 PM

If it should come to such a terrible situation, I’m confident there will be a divide: some who, despite their reservations (if any) for Obama, will side with their original oath to fight for the United States (defined as the government, sadly); and some who will see the damage done by Obama and his kind as an abomination and declare their oaths to protect the US to apply to the people the government is hurting.

The question then becomes what the percentiles of each will be, and what will happen next.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Their oaths are to the Constitution.
A bit of room for interpretation, there.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM

But he won’t be welcome at Oktoberfest or mass anymore. Maybe the deer hunt, if he agrees not to wear orange.

connertown on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

He isn’t welcome there, ever since he moved in with Jurgen.

Jaibones on October 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM

I gave you Tom Tancredo and you rejected him. I gave you Duncan Hunter and you rejected him. I gave you Fred Thompson and you rejected him. I gave you Mitt Romney and you rejected him. You are on your own now. Good luck.
- God

MB4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:12 PM

ROTFLMAO!

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:35 PM

Their oaths are to the Constitution.
A bit of room for interpretation, there.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Exactly.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:37 PM

William F. Buckley supported a literacy test for voters years ago and would have been quite happy to see entire swaths of the population denied their right.

sanguine4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM

The ability to vote should require one to pass a basic skills test, which requires literacy to do and tests on the basics of the US government and its essential differences with others – basic high school stuff.

Then, one must have paid the appropriate taxes (e.g. having paid actual federal income taxes for the time from the last vote for federal office, state income tax for state positions, …) or be a landowner (at least 80% equity in the primary residence which is, indeed, resided in) or a business owner or ex-combat military.

Lastly, one must present real id at the polls. (and we might have to actually ink people’s fingers, given the outrageously ridiculous abuse of our electoral system by the left)

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 2:37 PM

The question then becomes what the percentiles of each will be, and what will happen next.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

The split is about 65% Conservative and 25% More Liberal. Maybe 10% Indie and Libertarian. At that point it would be the end. The idea of different active duty folks dividing up ranks and dividing up the equipment is just unthinkable. A Civil War wouldn’t matter because the country would be destroyed. I guess if it came to that you’d have to pick a side though.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:37 PM

I’m inclined to see it as satire. But it is some of the worst satire I’ve ever read. But just the major WTF factor is going to increase readership as people try to make some sense out of this.

snaggletoothie on October 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Their oaths are to the Constitution.
A bit of room for interpretation, there.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Against all enemies, foriegn or domestic.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Against all enemies, foriegn or domestic.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM

So the question is, who is the enemy – the rebelling conservatives (traitors) or the socialist rulers (tyrants)?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM

William F. Buckley supported a literacy test for voters years ago and would have been quite happy to see entire swaths of the population denied their right.

sanguine4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM

Buckley may have been wrong on this, but his idea that people should be at least marginally educated before casting the most important vote of a citizen is one shared by both the Right and the Left.

I personally wish we had something to prevent idiots from casting a vote for president the same way they do for American Idol.

Esthier on October 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Now we take you Washington D.C. for a few words from our Dear Leader the most high the inlighten one the seer of all things Obama .You can watch this speech on all 4 of the nations tv stations NBC, CBC,ABC and CNN or listen on the nations great radio station Air America. Be sure to tune in tonight for breaking news on the trial of the U.S. Vs.Rush Limbaugh ,Mark Levin,Sean Hannity as you remember they are on trial for thinking bad things about our Dear Leader.The Gov. has ask for death for Limbaugh and Levin and life for Hannity.

thmcbb on October 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM

William F. Buckley was a brilliant man. I don’t necessarily think literacy should be the test, but I wouldn’t mind seeing a basic civics test of some sort. Something like, who controls the congress? And if you can’t answer that, you don’t get to vote.

pannw on October 27, 2008 at 2:29 PM

Buckley was big into the concept of assimilation into mainstream American society. Immigrants in the past came here to be Americans. It was tough and many went home because they couldn’t make it but many others (my Grandparents included) made it without benefit of “special accomodation” like ballots printed in German or other crutches that keep immigrants from becoming real Americans if they so choose to stick with the old culture.

As to a test (literacy or otherwise) prior to voting, it is tough to get beyond the “fairness” issue. There are many literate individuals out there who, nonetheless, do not read what they need to be reading to become intelligent voters. These are serious times with serious complex issues. Too many voters are content to listen to lies like Obama’s claims about lowering taxes or McCain’s lies about shrinking the size of government without once tumbling to the fact that these are impossible goals if all the other stuff they are promising is true.

It doesn’t take literacy or a knowledge of civics to be an intelligent voter. It takes critical thinking and that is in very short supply as demonstrated by the fact that we are forced to choose between these two candidates.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Then, one must have paid the appropriate taxes (e.g. having paid actual federal income taxes for the time from the last vote for federal office, state income tax for state positions, …) or be a landowner (at least 80% equity in the primary residence which is, indeed, resided in) or a business owner or ex-combat military.

Lastly, one must present real id at the polls. (and we might have to actually ink people’s fingers, given the outrageously ridiculous abuse of our electoral system by the left)

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Woh, woh, bad idea. A lot of people rent apartments, often simply because they expect to have to move every few years. And 80%? You’d be limiting it to grandparents and solders.

Now, if there were a test that had to be passed once, the first time you register to vote, that might be something. Though I think SCOTUS has precedent against one.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM

The best comment I read. I stopped there because I doubt anything would top it.

from the “White people shouldn’t be allowed to vote” article…
Posted by Flint 08:20 AM, 10/27/2008
Jonathan, I know in your own little world that there could not possibly be a reason for anyone to disagree with the plans that Sen. Obama has laid out. But seriously, does it have to be all about race? Sure, some people won’t vote for him because he is black and some will vote for him only because he is black. But I’ll bet the large majority that will not be voting for him will do so because they genuinely disagree with him on policy. Yes, I know, it’s hard for you to believe that anyone could possibly disagree with his, and apparently your, viewpoints. So let’s reverse the situation. Did you vote for Lynn Swan? A lot of ‘white folks’ did. The same ones you are saying now should not be allowed to vote because they won’t vote for a black man. So if you didn’t vote for Swan, you sir are a racist. Doesn’t matter if you agreed with his policy or not. The only thing that matters is that you voted for a white man instead. The same goes for all the blacks in PA that didn’t vote for him. They voted for a white man instead. Does that make them racist as well? Checkmate pal. It’s not the color of the skin, it’s the man’s character. Isn’t that what Dr. King preached? So if we ignore color and vote on principle and we don’t happen to vote the way YOU want us to, we are racist. But if we ignore our principle and vote for a man based only on his color then we are enlightened? I guess when you run out of ideas you have to find something else to pull out of your hat. In the case of the Obama campaign it’s race.

VikingGoneWild on October 27, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Woh, woh, bad idea. A lot of people rent apartments, often simply because they expect to have to move every few years. And 80%? You’d be limiting it to grandparents and solders.

Now, if there were a test that had to be passed once, the first time you register to vote, that might be something. Though I think SCOTUS has precedent against one.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM

It was an ‘OR’. Paying federal income taxes is enough to have a say in the government (having the basic skills of the test). If one doesn’t pay federal taxes, but owns a home, then that is another way. Etc.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Their oaths are to the Constitution.
A bit of room for interpretation, there.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Against all enemies, foriegn or domestic.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM

We STILL live by that oath.

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Against all enemies, foriegn or domestic.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:41 PM
So the question is, who is the enemy – the rebelling conservatives (traitors) or the socialist rulers (tyrants)?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM

It wouldn’t be easy to fight against fellow Americas, but the side would be easy to pick. Does that make sense?

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM

thmcbb on October 27, 2008 at 2:44 PM

Not so far-fetched.

Dennett the candidate for Attorney General in (Vermont, I think) and Vince Bugliosi want to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Bugliosi has stated teh death penelty would be appropriate and sought.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM

It was an ‘OR’. Paying federal income taxes is enough to have a say in the government (having the basic skills of the test). If one doesn’t pay federal taxes, but owns a home, then that is another way. Etc.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Okay, my mistake.
However, I am still suspicious of laundry lists–they seem arbitrary, which is mutable, and is particularly dangerous in this case.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM

I’m inclined to see it as satire. But it is some of the worst satire I’ve ever read.
snaggletoothie on October 27, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Jonathan Swift essay suggesting the Irish should eat their own children is satire. This commentary is crap.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Dennett the candidate for Attorney General in (Vermont, I think) and Vince Bugliosi want to prosecute President Bush for war crimes. Bugliosi has stated teh death penelty would be appropriate and sought.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM

What war crimes?
“Conducting aggressive warfare?”

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM

What war crimes?
“Conducting aggressive warfare?”

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:53 PM

Yep, that be it. I commented the other day that I wrote her and told her that she’ll have to prosecute me too. I asked her where I need to go to surrender myself.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM

We are not shooting disenfranchising enough professors white people.
- Lenin Jonathan Valania

MB4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM

It wouldn’t be easy to fight against fellow Americas, but the side would be easy to pick. Does that make sense?

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I can guess on most. And yeah it makes sense. But there’s likely to be at least a few variables, and I’m fairly sure it won’t all be simply cut on idealogical lines.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:56 PM

However, I am still suspicious of laundry lists–they seem arbitrary, which is mutable, and is particularly dangerous in this case.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:51 PM

All of our decisions are arbitrary, in the end. The left loves to play on this, but the fact is that human communication lives on the slippery slope, by its very nature. I would have no problem whittling it down to just paying federal taxes or being a combat vet, but I think that actual ownership is an important feature that should be recognized. I understand the list concern, but it doesn’t bother me too much, either way.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 2:57 PM

William F. Buckley supported a literacy test for voters years ago and would have been quite happy to see entire swaths of the population denied their right.

sanguine4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:02 PM

And yet we require tests of teenagers before putting them behind the wheel of one-ton vehicles that can kill or maim others.

Traveling is a right. Traveling in a car, is a privilege. So which is “voting”…?

Since felons are not allowed to vote, I believe that voting is a privilege… one that many in our country don’t respect.

dominigan on October 27, 2008 at 2:58 PM

Yep, that be it. I commented the other day that I wrote her and told her that she’ll have to prosecute me too. I asked her where I need to go to surrender myself.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 2:55 PM

“Conducting aggressive warfare” was BS even when it was used against the Germans. A way for the victors to excuse their vengeance on those that surrender.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM

I still tend to agree with Ed, and believe this guy is a nut (with a Freudian slip). But he won’t be welcome at Oktoberfest or mass anymore. Maybe the deer hunt, if he agrees to wear orange antlers.

connertown on October 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Laura in Maryland on October 27, 2008 at 3:04 PM

So the question is, who is the enemy – the rebelling conservatives (traitors) or the socialist rulers (tyrants)?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM

Who is the enemy? Where do you go to school? (That’s joke so don’t piss your pants and try go all medieval on me).

It won’t just be the Republicans/conservatives rebelling, it will be damn near 75 to 80% of the country. Hell, I’m a Democrat and I’ll fire the first shot. Anyone that tries to take away our rights and change the constitution to do it is going to be in the cross hairs of the Militia the 2nd amendment was talking about. They are already screwing with the 1st amendment so you tell me who the enemy is.

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM

I doubt this is satire. Whites in Philly have the unique distinction of being the most racist in the nation while also holding on to the most guilt over color in the nation. They hate the fact that they are racist but can’t help themselves.

I may have missed it but it shocks me that I have not read anything about the Phillies and their racist past. Anytime the Phillies do well, the community always finds a way to point out that they were the last to accept blacks into Major League Baseball.

Philly has a lot of faults with racism clearly at the top of the list.

grdred944 on October 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Ed is walking McCain’s highroad to oblivion with his highly nuanced takes on this crap. Satire….please, “earnest and mild hyperbole” along with the classic “I’ll assume” the only thing earnest thats produced by Mr. Valania is flushed down the toilet. Our continued assumptions that fighting the good fight is more important that actually carrying the day will end up costing us everything that matters other than some self imposed insane adherence to Queensberry rules*.

* Maybe Ed thinks he’s the Master of Satire with his comments?

dmann on October 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM

Worse than not knowing: some think McCain’s policies are Obama’s.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 2:22 PM

Immigration is one, and if the Democrats hadn’t chosen someone bent on destroying the country he would be paying the price.

DFCtomm on October 27, 2008 at 3:08 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/27/politics/washingtonpost/main4547564.shtml?tag=topStory;topStoryHeadline

Telling, Grue and old Hipster Vet.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM

AWESOME. +1!

Looking forward to upping that number with my own contribution.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 3:08 PM

They are already screwing with the 1st amendment so you tell me who the enemy is.

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 3:06 PM

I know who -my- enemy is. And I’m sure a good portion of the military would share my viewpoint. The question was mostly rhetorical… although I’m sure for several people that the choice won’t be so clear.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 3:10 PM

“Conducting aggressive warfare” was BS even when it was used against the Germans. A way for the victors to excuse their vengeance on those that surrender.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Maybe I missed your first point because you confused me with the second. The point is that we were attacked. For any American to want to prosecurte a sitting President who went to war to protect the citzens of this country is just assinine. She’ll have to do me too.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/27/politics/washingtonpost/main4547564.shtml?tag=topStory;topStoryHeadline

Telling, Grue and old Hipster Vet.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 3:07 PM

There ya go Kids. And those are just the legal sales.

Ask me no questions and I’ll tell you no lies. LOL

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM

It doesn’t take literacy or a knowledge of civics to be an intelligent voter. It takes critical thinking and that is in very short supply as demonstrated by the fact that we are forced to choose between these two candidates.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Agreed, but we should start somewhere. I don’t think it is unfair to require people to know a minimal bit of information. After learning that something like 65% of respondents who gave Congress the 9% approval rating also thought Congress was controlled by Republicans, I decided it was patently unfair for those people to have so much power over my life and the future of my children. I don’t really care if liberals think they are disenfranchised or not.

pannw on October 27, 2008 at 3:13 PM

The Philadelphia Inquirer is always good for some laughs.

Glenn Jericho on October 27, 2008 at 3:19 PM

although I’m sure for several people that the choice won’t be so clear.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 3:10 PM

I think it will be. Once the smoke and mirrors are taken away they will see it for what it is and they are going to be pissed that they were so stupid to fall for the BS BO put out.

Look at the bright side…..Kos and the rest of the idiots will be ………… LOL

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 3:20 PM

The Race Card on October 27, 2008 at 2:00 PM

You’re a better person than me because if someone said that to my nephew I’d probably end up on death row for killing the jacka$$! Btw, I’m a lifelong Caucasian. Race don’t mean jack squat to me. I guess that comes from having a Marine for a father who taught good people come in all shapes, sizes and wrapping. Until people measure each person one at a time things will never be better.

VikingGoneWild on October 27, 2008 at 3:22 PM

Look at the bright side…..Kos and the rest of the idiots will be ………… LOL

Old Hippie Vet on October 27, 2008 at 3:20 PM

I dunno… I think even some of them will be “OH MAH GAWD What have we DONE?” after a few months.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 3:23 PM

Maybe I missed your first point because you confused me with the second. The point is that we were attacked. For any American to want to prosecurte a sitting President who went to war to protect the citzens of this country is just assinine. She’ll have to do me too.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 3:11 PM

Oh, I was just pointing out that “war crimes” are not well motivated in the first place. As far as Iraq goes, you can twist yourself around to say the US initiated hostilities, ignoring that the true initiation was Hussen’s invasion of Kuwait. Regardless, fighting on the side that happens to have fired the first shot should be no crime in and of itself.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:29 PM

“Conducting aggressive warfare” was BS even when it was used against the Germans. A way for the victors to excuse their vengeance on those that surrender.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:03 PM

Do your self a favor and count yourself out as an individual that has a brain! Maybe we should try “passive warfare”; now..now Adolf, your invasion of europe has earned you a time out, go to your room you bad boy! (maybe bad is to strong a word?)

dmann on October 27, 2008 at 3:29 PM

It doesn’t take literacy or a knowledge of civics to be an intelligent voter. It takes critical thinking and that is in very short supply as demonstrated by the fact that we are forced to choose between these two candidates.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 2:45 PM

Think of the literacy/civics test for voting as akin to the vision test for a driver’s license. It says nothing about the ability to drive, but one really can’t drive if he can’t see.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 3:33 PM

Do your self a favor and count yourself out as an individual that has a brain! Maybe we should try “passive warfare”; now..now Adolf, your invasion of europe has earned you a time out, go to your room you bad boy! (maybe bad is to strong a word?)

dmann on October 27, 2008 at 3:29 PM

?
Can I call a Godwin, here?
German generals were tried and found guilty of basically following orders while being on the side deemed to have initiated a conflict, because no one could find an atrocity to stick on them.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM

from “The ( Army ) Officer’s Guide”

“The oath taken by all officers of the Regular Army reads as follows: …do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely……

The liberties which we enjoy in this nation are now taken for granted, but you must remember that they were bought with blood. They are set forth and guaraneteed in the Constitution. It is significant that this oath emphasizes protection of the Constitution as the first loyalty”

No member of the military is obligated to follow an unlawful order; in fact, anyone who carries out an unlawful order is responsible for any consequences

Janos Hunyadi on October 27, 2008 at 3:43 PM

German generals were tried and found guilty of basically following orders while being on the side deemed to have initiated a conflict, because no one could find an atrocity to stick on them.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM

The losing side is always guilty. And this stuff about “atrocities” during war is one of the worst developments of modern times. All war is bad. That’s why countries ought to think 5 times before starting them. And, if they lose, they are criminals – how bad is determined by who they lost to and how much damage and utter chaos they wreaked. If we decide that they acted in a way that offends our sensibilities then we just say that and punish them for it, but this idea of “crimes against humanity” or anything else like that has always seemed silly and naively dangerous, to me.

This is not directed at you, but the general idea of “war crimes” or “crimes against humanity”. I think that what we did in Nuremberg set the stage for the idiotic hair-splitting that we see nowadays with people whose evil and threat to our society is quite obvious. It also stops us from using tactics that must be used in wartime, depending on the culture of the enemy.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM

Thats better, thanks for fleshing out your point, I withdraw the cranial vacancy comment!

dmann on October 27, 2008 at 3:47 PM

German generals were tried and found guilty of basically following orders while being on the side deemed to have initiated a conflict, because no one could find an atrocity to stick on them.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:36 PM

This is incorrect: several German military officers were convicted of knowingly engaging in policies designed to murder civilians and prisoners of war. They were not convicted ( or put on trial ) for “basically following orders” ). Their “side” did not “initiate a conflict”, but engaged in wholesale genocide

That is what the “Nuremburg Trials” were about; you are either ignorant or deliberately misrepresenting the historical facts–or both

Janos Hunyadi on October 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM

MB4 on October 27, 2008 at 2:16 PM

I prefer these myself.

“Before all else, be armed.”

“For among other evils caused by being disarmed, it renders you contemptible.”

Niccolo Machiavelli

VikingGoneWild on October 27, 2008 at 3:50 PM

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 3:43 PM

Some standards, even in war, should be enforced. Terror based execution of civilians is one line that should not be crossed. The Russians, Germans, and Japanese are known for having done it, and some were rightfully prosecuted for it.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Janos Hunyadi on October 27, 2008 at 3:48 PM

I don’t mean to take away from the ones that were rightfully prosecuted for atrocities. But there were those who should not have been.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:54 PM

Exhibit B cinches it. This is the bleating of a self-negating, liberal elite who has probably never wanted for anything his entire life.

argos on October 27, 2008 at 3:56 PM

proposing a moratorium on Caucasian votes in Pennsylvania as a response to bald assertions of Keystone State racism from John Murtha and Ed Rendell.

The worst racism out there is being ignored. What if 95% of Whites clung bitterly to the candidate whose skin matched theirs? But they aren’t…not even in supposedly racist PA.

jgapinoy on October 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM

If it’s not titled “A Modest Proposal”, it isn’t satire.

P.S. “Comments are closed” and after just 41 comments. I wonder why that could possibly be?

andycanuck on October 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM

Terror based execution of civilians is one line that should not be crossed. The Russians, Germans, and Japanese are known for having done it, and some were rightfully prosecuted for it.

Count to 10 on October 27, 2008 at 3:52 PM

We, rightfully, threatened to exterminate the Japanese and started on it with firebombings and nukes. This is what was required and it was the correct thing to do. Trying to split these hairs over “civilians” and such is what gives openings to scum like Jeremiah Wright – he banks on the fuzziness of moral generalizations that are supposed to be “universal”. My view is that war is not “universal” in any sense, but the most deeply personal (in terms of nations) of all. We make judgments about war based on nothing but our interests and our sense of right and wrong.

We had problems with the Japanese and Germans for what they did to us and what they tried to carry out that would have affected us. That their behavior, that we found out about, turned our collective stomachs is just something on top of it all – worthy of extra punishment (though that is not what many of them got, anyway! – life sentences … LOL). But, civilians are targets in every war, and we all know that. We cannot start formulating laws that deny one of the basics of warfare (at least insofar as all of recorded history has told us).

And we should never give our sovereignty to an multi-national body to make the sorts of fuzzy judgments that are required in these circumstances. They will always be warped into something destructive.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 4:04 PM

The losing side is always guilty.
progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 3:43 PM

That was the beauty and genius of Lincoln and Grant as the South surrendered at Appomatox. When the South (Gordon) ceremoniously surrendered their arms to the North (Chamberlain) many concessions were made that paved the way to a complete nation again.

I can’t find the exact quote, but a Civil War soldier from Tennessee named Sam Watkins said something to the effect, “America has no north, no south, no east, no west. The sun rises over the hills and sets over the mountains, the compass just points up and down, and we can laugh now at the absurd notion of there being a north and a south. We are one and undivided”.

It’s why we say the United States “is” and not the United States “are”.

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 4:19 PM

What if 95% of Whites clung bitterly to the candidate whose skin matched theirs?

The answer you get back from asking such questions to liberals usually starts with a look of bemusement and a comment about how whites have been clinging to white candidates for centuries. Then you’d get a long list of “charges” enumerating all the ways “whitey” has systemically kept the black man oppressed. It would not be surprising to find claims that Thomas Jefferson was a moron and Sally Hemmings was the one who penned the Declaration of Independence. Likewise, you’d find out that there wasn’t a single significant historical, cultural, or technological event that wasn’t really the work of blacks and stolen by whites.

Shortly after that, you’d simply be condemned as a racist for not giving Obama his rightful place in the nation after all the things “you and your people” did to the black race. How dare you! ;0

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 4:20 PM

P.S. “Comments are closed” and after just 41 comments. I wonder why that could possibly be?

andycanuck on October 27, 2008 at 3:58 PM

System overload or, what the New Orleans paper does, cut off comments if they all are essentially the same and inconveniently opposite what the Times-Picayune puts on its editorial pages. Criticism of William Jefferson is quickly squelched. Criticism of Ray Nagin can go on for days.

highhopes on October 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM

hawkdriver on October 27, 2008 at 4:19 PM

Interesting and well put.

progressoverpeace on October 27, 2008 at 4:34 PM

In 2000, Bush-Cheney stole the election, got us attacked, and then got us into two no-exit wars. Four years later, white people reelected them.

If only Black people had been allowed to vote in 2000 and 2004, this would never have happened!

Oh, wait.

Tanya on October 27, 2008 at 5:02 PM

I know who -my- enemy is.

Grue in the Attic on October 27, 2008 at 3:10 PM

…I believe in simple societal mathematics…the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

Therefore, Syria — enabling the resupply and reinforcement of Al Qaeda in Iraq — is my enemy…and can stop bellyaching about their airspace/territory being “violated”…they’ve been running a war on the cheap….

Therefore, Iran — materially assisting, training and augmenting Al Qaeda in Iraq — is my enemy…and can stop joining Syria in bellyaching…well, you know….

Therefore, many in Pakistan — sheltering, assisting and otherwise sucking big butt of Al Qaeda and the Taliban in the gathering them to their warm bosoms — is my enemy…and frankly deserves the unrest, tribal murder and economic turmoil they now experience…it’s a toss-up whether they’re useful or harmful to the War on Terror…every step forward is met with two backwards….

…and the Democratic Party — celebrating every defeat of American forces, trumpeting its every misstep, even condemning as war criminals our service personnel without the slightest shred of evidence — is my enemy…but that’s nothing new.

As ambitious as Lucifer, the Democratic Party shows, through the scribblings of this thread’s subject, that they neither respect nor really understand the concept of democracy. For at least a generation now, the perpetual infants of the Left have held that democracy means that they get what they want, when they want it…and anything which thwarts their wishes runs counter to democracy.

They’ve been doing everything in their power to undermine the very concept of democracy — the ballot — as evidenced by the gambollings of ACORN, the subversion of a never-really-that-free press, the slicker-than-owl-snot under-the-table financing arrangements being daily discovered, and the general absence of any sort of loyalty to anything beyond the narrow agendas of party.

Race is a tool, economics is a tool, the press is a tool, any promise one can mouth is a tool (why not, as we all know they’ll be repudiated at the first convenient momemt), and all the tools come together to rebuild the US into “America as a socialist beehive”.

Back many years ago, a disturbed man let loose in a San Diego, CA, McDonalds with a brace of hand- and small-caliber weapons. It was euphamistically called the “Big Mac Attack”…and it’s been repeated by other broken toys masquerading as men many times since. Just after it happened, though, I remember a Lefty editorial writer suggesting that we end trial by jury, as the law was too complicated to be left to us, the “great unwashed”.

The Left has no sympathy for us…for our Constitution…for our traditions as a nation…for our value as human beings…and I don’t believe for a second that this cited piece (of sh*t, it must be said) is anything even distantly resembling Mr. Swift’s “A Modest Proposal”. It’s more a glimpse into the black soul of the Left.

I know who my enemy is…and I think that it’s about time he knew that I have a free citizen’s eye on him….

Puritan1648 on October 27, 2008 at 6:28 PM

” According to this column, Obama’s positions on abortion, taxes, federal spending, national security, and diplomacy are so noncontroversial that the only reason to oppose them is the color of Obama’s skin. That speaks to Valania’s narrow-mindedness, and that of the Inquirer, much more than it does the people of western Pennsylvania.”

Well written.

Gaunilon on October 27, 2008 at 7:43 PM

I was in a loan office today just trying to do some business and I was the only white guy in the place and the only customer for that matter. I was made to sit in a waiting room for 15 minutes while the workers sat and talked about one of the girls webcams before I was waited on. I was told somone would be right with me and to wait, which I did patiently, and when I finally got waited on, the guy who told me to wait initially and gabbed about webcams with the girls as I waited, was the guy who ultimately called me to his office. Again, I was the only white person there, and once my business was nearing completion I just took a business card, wrote down numbers which had been derived and after yet one more waiting/gossip session which went on outside the office, I left with them not giving a damn whether I ever came back or not, let alone take their business.

A sample of things to come?

johnnyU on October 28, 2008 at 1:05 AM

“Got us attacked” — you have to love the world-began-in-2001 mentality behind that statement. Jonathan, we got attacked in 1993 (World Trade Center I), 1996 (Khobar Towers), 1998 (embassy bombings in Tanzania and Kenya) and 2000 (USS Cole). The result of 9/11, which apparently Valania thinks we somehow provoked (by using the phrase “got us attacked”), was at least one war both presidential candidates have pledged to fight harder. The other, Iraq, is about to wind down completely in victory, no thanks to Barack Obama, who demanded that we flee Iraq when the going got tough.

Let’s not forget the seizing of the American embassy and the taking of hostages in Iran in 1979 and the bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon in 1983. The key is that people who disagree with the existent of Israel have been willing to attack us since at least the early 1980’s.

Ignorance, our most costly commodity – paraphrased from Rush Limbaugh.

Wildcatter1980 on November 1, 2008 at 11:32 AM

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