WaPo notices the contribution fraud at Team Obama, but misses the real question

posted at 1:15 pm on October 26, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

The Washington Post takes a front-page look at the shenanigans in Team Obama’s Internet fundraising efforts, but they don’t quite connect all the dots.  Matthew Mosk outlines the problem well, but neglects to mention an important point:

Concerns about anonymous donations seeping into the campaign began to surface last month, mainly on conservative blogs. Some bloggers described their own attempts to display the flaws in Obama’s fundraising program, donating under such obviously phony names as Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, and reported that the credit card transactions were permitted.

Obama officials said it should be obvious that it is as much in their campaign’s interest as it is in the public’s interest for fake contributions to be turned back, and said they have taken pains to establish a barrier to prevent them. Over the course of the campaign, they said, a number of additional safeguards have been added to bulk up the security of their system.

In a paper outlining those safeguards, provided to The Washington Post, the campaign said it runs twice-daily sweeps of new donations, looking for irregularities. Flagged contributions are manually reviewed by a team of lawyers, then cleared or refunded. Reports of misused credit cards lead to immediate refunds. …

Under current law, there is also very little policing of small-dollar contributions. The false donations uncovered by news outlets or by rival campaigns have all involved more than $200, because those contributions must be disclosed in published reports. The campaigns are not required to share any information about donors who give less than $200. And they are not required to even keep records of donors who give less than $50 — they can even give cash.

Mosk never thinks to ask the one question that has already occurred to conservative bloggers.  What makes the Obama campaign different from online retail operations? After all, we have spent almost 15 years buying and selling products and services on the Internet, and retailers know how to protect themselves and their customers.  They employ a system that compares the billing information on the order to the information in the credit-card system — and when they don’t match, the sale gets denied.  Credit-card companies have gone an extra step in recent years by adding a security code to protect against fraudulent use.

The McCain campaign apparently uses these systems to prevent fraud.  Why doesn’t Team Obama?  That’s the pertinent question.  Systems have existed for years to prevent exactly the kind of fraud that has occurred in Obama’s fundraising.  Why did Team Obama deliberately avoid using them?

Perhaps the FEC could discover the answer to that question, if they were inclined to do their jobs.  It seems very clear that someone at Team Obama didn’t want to stop credit-card fraud as long as it helped them raise funds.  That’s a story that the Tanning Bed Media ought to cover … and probably won’t.


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*cough* Gift cards *cough*

That’s where the magic is.

lorien1973 on October 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

Or credit cards can be purchased from overseas to spend on US elections. Foreign Money via US Credit Cards.

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM

That’s a story that the Tanning Bed Media ought to cover … and probably won’t.

What story?

Mcguyver on October 26, 2008 at 1:24 PM

The FEC needs a nudge from Bush to get them started, and that’s not going to happen.

We’ve already seen how the courts treat challenges to Osama Obama’s deviousness and duplicity. Ohio gets to go on about its corrupt, ACORN-supporting fraudulent voting, for example. As I recall, the plaintiffs lacked “standing.”

Same — although I know you think it was a dumb issue, Ed — with the suit brought against Obama for his birth records. Plaintiff lacked “standing” because he’s a US citizen? If — and I’m saying if — Obama doesn’t meet the constitutional requirements to be president, a citizen damn well can and should be able to blow the whistle.

As for the WaPoo story: I still say if one of The Messiah’s biggest media cheerleaders reveals as much as a whiff of the dung-heap that is the Obama campaign, there must be a genuinely awful stench in the pile that they are covering up.

MrScribbler on October 26, 2008 at 1:25 PM

lorien1973 on October 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

I am with you. Ahem, makes my head spin. That should make Nobama supporters wonder. And why he didn’t do Public Funding to run. He did promise he would. This is off topic again, but thought I would post this. Burg is not giving up. I hope he doesn’t. There are also many more suits filed as well. By others.

Judge tosses lawsuit challenging Obama citizenship

The Associated Press

Sat, Oct 25, 2008 (3:42 p.m.)

A federal judge has dismissed a lawsuit challenging Barack Obama’s qualifications to be president.

U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick on Friday night rejected the suit by attorney Philip J. Berg, who alleged that Obama was not a U.S. citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency. Berg claimed that Obama is either a citizen of his father’s native Kenya or became a citizen of Indonesia after he moved there as a boy.

Obama was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. His parents divorced and his mother married an Indonesian man.

Internet-fueled conspiracy theories question whether Obama is a “natural-born citizen” as required by the Constitution for a presidential candidate and whether he lost his citizenship while living abroad.

Surrick ruled that Berg lacked standing to bring the case, saying any harm from an allegedly ineligible candidate was “too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters.

This is what makes me mad.

sheebe on October 26, 2008 at 1:25 PM

I hate to go all dead-beat on this but I’m worried that our screaming and yelling will actually hurt a bunch of folks. Namely the bankruptcy crowd. Not everyone who has to seek bankruptcy does so because they are trying to game the system. The pay as you go credit card is a must in the modern world. Airline tickets, hotels, rental cars, equipment rentals, etc etc. The ONLY credit allowed by the bankruptcy courts are pay as you go cards. The exact same cards that these crooks use to launder money. Walk into Wal-Mart, plop $500 down on the counter and walk away with a credit card. Legit uses for those who are trying to stay in society, racketeering tool for those who work in the shadows.

How do we protect the legit users?

Limerick on October 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Obama officials said it should be obvious that it is as much in their campaign’s interest as it is in the public’s interest for fake contributions to be turned back

Heh. Hee hee. Chuckle. Snort! “Oh, no! We don’t want any fake contributions from people forbidden by law to donate! Not us! It must be a wardrobe mechanical malfunction with the credit card companies! I did not have sex with that woman!”

They must really think the American people are stupid. And unfortanately, they may be right.

rmgraha on October 26, 2008 at 1:31 PM

Hmmm… Class Action lawsuit against the FEC and Obama campaign… with a bit of RICO thrown in… as they are allowing illegal campaign contributions without significant oversight?

RICO is there for the conspricy angle?

Romeo13 on October 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM

The Washington Post’s entirely inadequate “investigation” here is worse than no investigation at all. Many readers will consider the matter settled when only the surface of Obama’s campaign finance shenanigans has been scratched.

Edouard on October 26, 2008 at 1:33 PM

Well, can’t expect the WaPo to get it. What concerns me is that so few folks on ‘our side’ get it.

LegendHasIt on October 26, 2008 at 1:34 PM

The US media has decided to cover for any Democrat fraud in this election, and that decision has led to consequences. Now no major mainstream media dares to start covering these stories at this late stage, because that will cause too many obvious questions about why they have people going through dumpsters in Wasilla, Alasks, and hacking into the DMV in Toldeo, Ohio, but nobody digging into Democrat fraud.

They are trapped in their own duplicity. If a story gets too big that it cannot be ignored, then it has to be “covered” in such a way as to made to appear unimportant.

Questions raised by commentators that are not pro-Democrat must not be addressed, as this lends them legitimacy. Just tell a sanitized version of the story and stick with it.

And having committed journalistic fraud, the media are now ready to double-down on the biggest fraud of all. If Obama loses, or should I say “fails to win”, the media is ready to shout racism from the rooftops, as a way to cover for their and their party’s deceptions.

Anybody know of any investment funds that are media-free? Sort of like “ethical” investment, except for real.

drunyan8315 on October 26, 2008 at 1:34 PM

No, no they are covering it. Our local paper decided to run with Team Obama filing charges with the FEC against the McCain camp for accepting more then legally allowable. And our paper is middle to right leaning.

Cindy Munford on October 26, 2008 at 1:35 PM

lorien1973 on October 26, 2008 at 1:20 PM

That should make Nobama supporters wonder.

Very much doubt that. We lose the occasional argument because Conservatives bow to reason and facts. Liberals run on emotion will do and say anything to win arguments/elections. There is nothing that will sway the likes of some say in an argument about finances and taxes when they feel in their heart that if a rich guy or gal has a bunch of money, other will less are entitled to it.

Same with elections. They want this too badly. They have already weathered the worst indictments of their guy and nothing else presented could be an October surprise. They would vote for him if they found kiddie porn in his pocket.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 1:36 PM

other “with” less

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 1:37 PM

How do we protect the legit users?

Limerick on October 26, 2008 at 1:28 PM

Simple: by requiring campaigns to actually vet their donations, instead of letting the Osama Obama fraudsters claim they do.

The telling point — not reported by WaPoo, of course — is that while Obama gobbled up unverifiable donations, McCain’s website rejected them.

The onus is on the recipient. As it should be. Full disclosure of compliance with campaign laws is mandatory. Letting the Obamanoids get away with lame assertions and no paper trail is not acceptable.

MrScribbler on October 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM

This story also claims that only 1% of the donations have problems. Okay…well, 1% of close to a billion dollars is certainly significant.

That’s like saying the oil for food scandal wasn’t a big deal because it was a tiny fraction of the UN’s budget.

watchmen on October 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Is this still true?

Now Obama has released the hold, but Democrats are holding out for a stand-alone vote on the nomination — instead of the traditional bloc vote — in order to defeat him. Without a quorum of the board, the FEC is unable to take any enforcement actions. ….

Barack Obama and Russ Feingold derailed Von Spakovsky’s nomination last year, placing a hold on him right before he was to be confirmed. Now that he has been cleared, will Obama call on his Democratic colleagues to allow the FEC to do its work? Or is Obama too beholden to lobbyist fundraisers to allow disclosure to go forward?

Posted by Brian Faughnan on April 4, 2008 04:08 PM

Link

mred on October 26, 2008 at 1:38 PM

Will this all be swept under the rug if Obama wins? Will we be called sore losers if we complain?

mindhacker on October 26, 2008 at 1:39 PM

Cindy Munford on October 26, 2008 at 1:35 PM

Did your paper use an AP story for that, Cindy?

The AP is as strongly lip-locked to Osama Obama as the NYT.

MrScribbler on October 26, 2008 at 1:41 PM

I wonder if the Chicom’s have donated
to Obama’s Socialist Party!

Like they did for the Clintons!

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 1:42 PM

Is Team Obama stuck in Internet 1992?

Sure – when it suits them.

forest on October 26, 2008 at 1:43 PM

Help me feel better today folks. I’m in bed sick, and I”m very weary from the insanity of the left. Their lies, deception and racism have made my world very glum. I voted yesterday, but need to do more. It’s hard to keep the faith when the media is against you… see Biden and the Florida TV interview aftermath as the most recent example

Here’s my most recent Biden Vs. Palin video. (<2 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5epcWXImhjU

I’m not asking for money, just some cheer. Anyone got any good jokes?

cannonball on October 26, 2008 at 1:48 PM

Biden actually outspent Palin! The proof is here.

Heh.

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 1:52 PM

My campaign finance reform:

1. If you can’t vote for the candidate, you can’t give them money. Period! Unions can’t vote. Companies can’t vote. Non-residents cannot vote. They shouldn’t be allowed to donate. Elected representatives are supposed to represent the people in their district, not outsiders.
2. 98% accurate reporting. Every dollar must be reported periodically; daily in the final two weeks before the election. Very easy to achieve with credit card transactions.
3. No cash! There needs to be a verifiable paper trail.

4. Fail to comply and you are removed from the ballot, or if elected, removed from office.

5. All illegal contributions must be refunded promptly. (No redirecting to a charity that also supports you.)

The Rock on October 26, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Key is that once Barry takes the oath of Office, the only ones who can do anything is the CONGRESS.

Do you really think Pelosi and Reid will entertain ANY thought of Impeachment? No matter what evidence comes out after the election?

Even if Berg’s allegations are found true, and Barry was born in Kenya… its too late…

Even if Foriegn money helps BUY Barry the Election, it would not matter…

Because they will NEVER impeach him.

Romeo13 on October 26, 2008 at 1:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fc-sUtX0Eg

Try this cannonball.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 1:55 PM

Perhaps the FEC could discover the answer to that question, if they were inclined to do their jobs.

I think we are nearing the tipping point people……. Federal Law Enforcement agencies, sworn to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution and the Laws of the United States………. selectively enforcing the laws, due to political concerns.

Seven Percent Solution on October 26, 2008 at 1:59 PM

I’m not asking…..

cannonball on Oct 26,2008 at 1:48PM.

cannonball: Thats excellent!This should be a campaign ad!

Have ye faith,CB,and I hope you will feel
better, soon!

Just keep your political Hot Air bow into
the wind,in 9 more days we pull into a safe
harbour,port of call!

Then,will all celebrate VICTORY!:):):):):)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 1:59 PM

Seven Percent Solution on October 26, 2008 at 1:59 PM

shhhhhhhhhhhh….tipping points are not allowed.

Off to work. See ya at the witching hour.

Limerick on October 26, 2008 at 2:00 PM

This is why the GOP is losing

WALLACE: Let’s put up some of those numbers that you just mentioned, because they show what Obama’s got going for him and what McCain is up against.

Registration — it has increased more than 400,000 just this year in Virginia, and mostly in Democratic areas.

Field organization — in Virginia, Obama has 51 offices and McCain 19.

Governor Kaine, some people have said it’s almost as if Obama is running for governor of Virginia, that he has that kind of a ground organization.

KAINE: He definitely has a lot more offices than I did when I ran for governor in 2005. And I think he’s realized that presence matters.

The Obama campaign has wisely decided that, you know, of the various ways to spend money, the best way to spend money is on people and presence in the communities of Virginia. So he’s not taking any part of this state for granted.

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 2:02 PM

I feel pretty much the same way Cannonball.

I figure you might like at least one of these. I like ‘em both:

All Blues featuring Cannonball Adderley

And Cannonball Blues by the Carter Family

forest on October 26, 2008 at 2:09 PM

She said she thinks there is a 55% chance Obama holds on in Pennsylvania and a 75% chance McCain wins Virginia. She absolutely laughed at the public polls showing Obama leading Virginia-and pointed out that all of those polls rely on Dem turnout being +4 and as much as +7, when in 2006, Republicans actually had the advantage by +3. She also pointed out that the numbers for Obama in SWVA look absolutely awful and that McCain is running 10 points better then Allen did in NoVa.

here

mred on October 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM

Yet for all that, Obarky is still barely clearing Mac.

That’s quite a bit of money and effort expended by Odummy in a losing bid; too bad for all his donors.

Bishop on October 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 2:02 PM

That takes money. The question is where do they get that kind of money.

Boycott the Liberal Media and their sponsors.

Boycott Hollywood. If you would give money to Democrats, don’t give it to people who will.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Romeo13 on October 26, 2008 at 1:54 PM

Not as cut and dried as you think. The Constitution provides for a process to impeach a legitimately elected president. If irrefutable proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth surfaces, his presidency is ipso facto illegitimate. In effect, impeachment would be unnecessary, as there would be no president to impeach.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:12 PM

If you “wouldn’t” give..

Damn I’m stupid today.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:14 PM

MrScribbler on October 26, 2008 at 1:41 PM

No credit given, under a group of articles called Notebook. Other stories on the page include the reporter and that they work for AP but not on this group of articles. I assume it is AP. As the old saying goes, best defense is offense. Zip on Sen. Obama fund raising.

Cindy Munford on October 26, 2008 at 2:18 PM

That’s quite a bit of money and effort expended by Odummy in a losing bid; too bad for all his donors. – Bishop on October 26, 2008 at 2:10 PM

There will be a whole lotta weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth and garment-rending going on in the ranks of Obama donors the day after he loses the election.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Obama campaign response: “Yeah, but John Mccain doesn’t use email”

Texas Rainmaker on October 26, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Boycott the Liberal Media and their sponsors.

Boycott Hollywood. If you would give money to Democrats, don’t give it to people who will.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:11 PM

Tell that to GOP campaigns that are spending millions on TV ads that only make the MSM richer. Stupid strategy.

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Stanley Kurtz pwns Politico’s Ben Smith here. Read and rejoice.

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:26 PM

Damn I’m stupid today.

hawkdriver on Oct 26,2008 at 2:14PM.

hawkdriver:No Hawkdriver,your not stupid,you had a glitch!:)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM

Tell that to GOP campaigns that are spending millions on TV ads that only make the MSM richer. Stupid strategy.

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 2:24 PM

Seems like that is the one necessary evil. How else would we get a message out?
We certainly don’t get the free coverage that liberals do. Just the free ridicule and condemnation.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:28 PM

hawkdriver:No Hawkdriver,your not stupid,you had a glitch!:)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 2:27 PM

I glitch a lot lately. Home work and blogging don’t really mix too well.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:12 PM

Actualy, it is that bad, because the courts have already decided that neither political partys (Ohio Attorney General and Voter fraud) nor Individual Citizens (Berg v. Obama) have STANDING to even ask these question.

Even if there was proof that Barry was born in Kenya, it would never get to court because no one has standing to bring the suit, EXCEPT the Congress.

Supremes would then defer to the Impeachment process… which will NOT throw Barry out, even if forced to convict UNLESS the electorate is literally (not figurativly) up in Arms…

Romeo13 on October 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM

Seems like that is the one necessary evil. How else would we get a message out?
We certainly don’t get the free coverage that liberals do. Just the free ridicule and condemnation.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:28 PM

Thats why I posted that Kaine quote. Campaign workers can be the message carriers. You can more selectively target the electorate by sending people to a voters home than running a 30 second ad that is suppose to reach thousands of voters all with different veiws.

Wish I had been able to convince more GOP campaigns that GOTV is the wave of the future. Not just for voter registration but ultimately as the means to carry the message to the public.

Retail politics on a grand scale.

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 2:32 PM

GOTV

GOTV?

goggleing…

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:36 PM

The latest IBD/TIPP poll data — reweighed to reflect the 2004 turnout — shows Obama 44.59%, McCain 43.66% (h/t K Lo).

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM

GOTV = get out the vote.

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM

GOTV?

goggleing…

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:36 PM

G(et) O(ut) T(he) V(ote)

Its the organization that registers and gets workers out among the public. The “Ground game”

William Amos on October 26, 2008 at 2:38 PM

Stanley Kurtz pwns Politico’s Ben Smith here. Read and rejoice.

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:26 PM

What’s to rejoice? It’s just another example of the media being in the tank for Obama. I am grateful for all the great work that Stanley Kurtz is doing but the McCain campaign need to take this info and use it, which they are not.

Here is Joel Roger’s wiki page. How the hell can a reporter take what this “activist” says at face value? Also note that Ben Smith does not mention Dan Cantor, who co-founded this party with “no members”.

Buy Danish on October 26, 2008 at 2:42 PM

What’s to rejoice?

You don’t enjoy public flogging of the MSM?

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:43 PM

On the off chance OFRAUD steals the election, OFRAUD will not be my President.

It worked for idiot liberals for 8 years on totally baseless grounds, so I will continue to believe OFRAUD is not the legitimate POTUS.

BKennedy on October 26, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Holy Shit people look at DRUDGE!

carbon_footprint on October 26, 2008 at 2:46 PM

Even if there was proof that Barry was born in Kenya, it would never get to court because no one has standing to bring the suit, EXCEPT the Congress.

It’s one thing to file suit to compel the other side to produce evidence and quite another if the evidence already exists – ie., a smoking gun in the form of an actual birth certificate or some other form of concrete proof. There are courts that would certainly grant standing to sue and admit such evidence.

Supremes would then defer to the Impeachment process… which will NOT throw Barry out, even if forced to convict UNLESS the electorate is literally (not figurativly) up in Arms…

I don’t agree that SCOTUS would automatically defer to Congress. But even if they did, Congress would be out of its mind to quash it.

Don’t forget that, if irrefutable proof of Obama’s Kenyan birth surfaced, it would not surface in a vacuum. All of the media – including the New Media – would be all over it. Republicans in Congress would be screaming for action to be taken.

Obama would be a fool not to step down, as he would then be perceived as an usurper. If he persisted in his claim to the office it would not surprise me if the Joint Chiefs of Staff directed that he be forcibly removed.

But all of this is academic. There is no irrefutable proof that Obama is not a native-born American. Moreover, Obama will lose the election.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:46 PM

October surprise! We attacked Syria.

carbon_footprint on October 26, 2008 at 2:47 PM

You don’t enjoy public flogging of the MSM?

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:43 PM

To enjoy is not to rejoice. I will rejoice when Senator McCain uses this information to win this election.

Buy Danish on October 26, 2008 at 2:49 PM

Shhhhhhhh……..George Soros may have actually brought the election this time.

GarandFan on October 26, 2008 at 2:49 PM

There will be a whole lotta weeping, wailing, gnashing of teeth and garment-rending going on in the ranks of Obama donors the day after he loses the election.
ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM

Also shooting, burning, rioting, assaulting, destroying, vandalizing, screaming, shouting, whining and pissing of pants.

The really great thing about this election is that it gives people a reason to buy a beautiful M4 carbine no matter who they believe will win.

Bishop on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM

One question, in this mass registration claims by those in VA and elsewhere, did anyone factor in the OP Chaos members that did not move back their party ID, or could not due to voter rules? Just wondering.

When my yutes registered to voter, their party ID was not asked on their voter cards.

Also, wonder how many of the newly minted Dems are ACORN products?

And how many of the registered Dems have indicated without a doubt they are going to voter for THE ONE?

freeus on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM

The nerve of Obama! Now he even has his own anthem.

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM

The latest IBD/TIPP poll data — reweighed to reflect the 2004 turnout — shows Obama 44.59%, McCain 43.66% (h/t K Lo). – Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:37 PM

Subtract 5% from Obama for the Bradley Effect and add it to McCain and you get 39.6% Obama and 48.6% McCain.

Right on target.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081024/NEWS/810240332/-1/NEWS10

I

n a meeting with the editorial board of The Standard-Times, Rep. Frank, D-Mass., also called for a 25 percent cut in military spending, saying the Pentagon has to start choosing from its many weapons programs, and that upper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.

It starts. So much for the GWOT. Thanks America, we beat ourselves…

Again!

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:51 PM

October surprise! We attacked Syria. – carbon_footprint on October 26, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Meh. Let’s see how it shakes out.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Meh. Let’s see how it shakes out.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:52 PM

True. Those sirens over at Drudge always gets my blood up.
: )

carbon_footprint on October 26, 2008 at 2:54 PM

Syria has been sending war goods and foot soldiers for a long time. It doesn’t matter who is hurt/helped by this event. If the command in Bahgdad thought it threatened the growing peace after The Surge, then it had to be done regardless.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:54 PM

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 2:46 PM

It does not matter how much evidence you have, if you have no Standing (legal right) to bring the suit.

The Ohio Attorney General case recently prooved this. It well documented, and she even admitted that their were 200K potential problem ballots, but the Supremes said that neither Voters, Candidates, nor Parties, have standing to bring the suit… it has to come from the Feds…

The Obama case would be exactly the same. Even if someone had a smoking gun about campaign finances, it would never get to court, because none of us have STANDING to bring the suit…

Same with his Birth Cert… You can’t even START legal discovery without Standing (which is what Berg really wanted… to proove it one way or the other). He could have taped confesion, Kenyan birth certs, and all the Docs in the world, but without Standing, the COURT’s won’t do squat.

Which leaves the Democrats Congress…. ie it turns from a Legal Question, to a POLITICAL question.

Romeo13 on October 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM

The smack occured along the border of Iraq
and Syria!

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 2:56 PM

The nerve of Obama! Now he even has his own anthem.

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM

I love me
You love me
Let’s get together
and kill th’conomy

With massive tax hikes
and spending out the @$$
Make proud Marx
and Euro-Trash.

BKennedy on October 26, 2008 at 2:57 PM

freeus on October 26, 2008 at 2:50 PM

Good point, lots o’ people moved over to the DFL just to screw their process; there could still be quite a few ‘democrats’ who are democrat at all.

I really don’t believe that Obarfa and his media whores realize just how much of a facade his entire campaign is, and how many people are planning to vote against it.

Bishop on October 26, 2008 at 2:59 PM

The really good news at Drudge is the biopic, “W” bombed and will cost the studio money. Regardless of how much the media says America hates Bush and the war, none of their propaganda pics on either subject do very well.

Anyone wondering like me if the election polls are so all over the place, what the chances of them skewing approval numbers? God it sucks that I’m at a point where I don’t truth the media at all.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 2:59 PM

don’t “trust”

Okay, now I’m leaving. Not safe typing at any speed.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 3:02 PM

Which leaves the Democrats Congress…. ie it turns from a Legal Question, to a POLITICAL question. – Romeo13 on October 26, 2008 at 2:55 PM

Again, the fly in this ointment is the existence of irrefutable proof, available to any and all who wish to see it. If what you say about standing is correct and it devolves to Congress, then refer to the lower portion of my comments.

The Republicans would rise in unison – joined, no doubt by a significant number of Democrats who would be able to see the writing on the wall – and call for Obama to step down.

Only those Democrats representing the looniest of constituencies (Pelosi, Waters, et. al.) would oppose either a motion to request Obama to vacate the office or a motion to issue articles of impeachment.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 3:04 PM

I don’t truth the media at all.

hawkdriver on Oct 26,2008 at 2:59PM.

hawkdriver: When I was a rural courier,doing deliveries
outside the city,I was able to catch the
enire Rush program!

When I got home at night,the MSM had an
entirely different spin then Rush!

In the next 9 days,the MSM will be in a
doom gloom spin of Team McCain/Palin!

The polls are 44 Obama,43 McCain!!

Team Republican will win,have ye faith!!!:):)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 3:08 PM

BKennedy, I like your lyrics better, but I’m hearing “Knick, Knack, Paddy Whack” in my head.

I love me
You love me
Let’s get together
and kill th’conomy

With massive tax hikes
and spending out the @$$
Make proud Marx
and Euro-Trash.

BKennedy on October 26, 2008 at 2:57 PM

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM

Team Republican will win,have ye faith!!!:):)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 3:08 P

Oh, I’m faithin. My boss had to move a mission for me to go, but I’ll be there at the Bubba Dome in Fayetteville NC on Tuesday to see Senator McCain.

I’m only bumming because my posts suck.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM

I’m only bumming because my posts suck. – hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 3:14 PM

Why do you say that? I rather enjoy reading them.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 3:25 PM

Typos and using the wrong word about half the time today.

hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Typos and using the wrong word about half the time today. – hawkdriver on October 26, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Perhaps that might improve if you didn’t have bourbon for breakfast. :-)

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 3:28 PM

Obama- follows the money.

Until he can spread the wealth.

Crypto-Marxists love Capital.

With or without the Das.

profitsbeard on October 26, 2008 at 3:28 PM

I’m only bumming because my posts suck.

hawkdriver on Oct 26,2008 at 3:14PM.

hawkdriver: I’m with ManlyRash,I like them to!

I’ve only been blogging for less than a year!

Hawkdriver,keep’em comin!:):)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 3:29 PM

bourbon……

ManlyRash on Oct 26,2008 at 3:28PM.

ManlyRash: OR SCOTCH!!!!!!!!!! hahaha:)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

Manly, sorry to burst your bubble but NO democrats, not blue dogs, yellow dogs, conservatives, moderates or liberals will yelp for Obama to step down and replace him with Biden. Ain’t gonna happen in this universe. Power is all that dems understand, and they would rather have the pliant ‘present’ Obama than the stupid yet legislatively adept Biden in charge of the White House.

As for Drudge Report, was the poster mentioning that Chicago is the murder capital of the US (and the murders of Jennifer Hudson’s mother, etc?)? Perhaps Obama can explain what he and Mayor Daly did to make Chicago safer? More Afrocentric courses to raise Chicagoans self esteem? Direct action? Slumlord buildings? Obstructing juvenile/adult treament legislation? McCain should have an ad
What Obama did to Chicago he wants to do to US.
But I’m dreaming.

eaglewingz08 on October 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM

Hmmmmmmm.

In a Statement of Facts in the recent criminal trial of former UBS executive Bradley Birkenfeld, it was alleged that UBS took extraordinary steps to help American clients manage their Swiss accounts without alerting federal authorities. For example, UBS advised American clients to avoid detection by using Swiss credit cards to withdraw funds, to destroy all existing off-shore banking records, and to misrepresent the receipt of funds from their Swiss accounts as loans from the Swiss bank. According to The Nation, UBS established an elaborate training program which taught bank employees how to avoid surveillance by U.S. Customs and law enforcement, falsify visas, encrypt communications, and secretly move money in and out of the country… ”

It is the perfect instrument for funneling illegal campaign contributions into the coffers of an unscrupulous American politician. Putting two and two together, I suggested that a very wealthy individual, or cartel, wishing to influence the election of the President of the United States, could transfer unlimited sums of money through this device. A U.S. recipient, such as the Obama campaign, could receive hundreds of thousands of individual contributions via Swiss credit card transfers, with fictitious payees being entered by teams of paid staffers working in a “boiler room” setting. The owners of the Swiss accounts would receive periodic statements indicating: a) debits of varying amounts, up to $2,300 each, and b) offsetting credits provided by the cartel, or by the wealthy, but unnamed, “international financier.”

Buy Danish on October 26, 2008 at 3:59 PM

Manly, sorry to burst your bubble but NO democrats, not blue dogs, yellow dogs, conservatives, moderates or liberals will yelp for Obama to step down and replace him with Biden. Ain’t gonna happen in this universe. Power is all that dems understand, and they would rather have the pliant ‘present’ Obama than the stupid yet legislatively adept Biden in charge of the White House. – eaglewingz08 on October 26, 2008 at 3:52 PM

No bubble to burst, eagle. I’m just being realistic. We’re not talking about passing a budget or debating an appropriation. The country would be in an uproar over something like this and a great many of the people who previously voted for Obama – not a majority, to be sure, but a sizable number – would be calling on their own representatives to ask him to step down.

The divisions within every branch of government and the nation itself – not to mention the military – would be horrendous.

ManlyRash on October 26, 2008 at 4:18 PM

Legacy media like the WaPo is a cancer. Patients with cancer are given two choices, cut it out or shrink it. Pointing to media bias and screaming “unfair, bias, etc.” doesn’t help. I’m certain your local paper sucks and only provides sports scores, so cancel your subscriptions. Don’t feed the tumor and promote growth of the healthy tissue We are alternative media consumers and we need to spread the good word of the Internet. There are so many sources of news in the alternate media today that media bias should be a thing of the past.

Angry Dumbo on October 26, 2008 at 4:23 PM

Obama’s campaign is lying, and the Washington Post lets them. Pravda, folks, it’s in our American future.

Yeah, Barry, you set up safeguards – except the industry standard safeguards that have existed for years and years.

Please.

They wanted illicit donations to go through, and everyone knows it.

Seixon on October 26, 2008 at 5:52 PM

The FEC is f*ing useless. They are a disgrace to idea of oversight.

I’m not bringing up the Birth Cert. thing to get everyone started again…but, if the FEC was on their game there wouldn’t be any conspiracy. Instead, all they do is shirk their responsibility.

If they don’t have complete oversight on our election process, to include checking the constitutional qualifications of the candidates, oversight of state’s processes and campaign financing, then what good are they?

cryptojunkie on October 26, 2008 at 6:20 PM

The smack occured along the border of Iraq
and Syria!

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 2:56 PM

Timing? Is this the October surprise? Is Isreal going to deal with Iran over their nukes while we keep Syria occupied or is Isreal going to trust that 0Bomber won’t sell them out to his Mooslim brothers?

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran?
McCain/Hasselbeck 08

dhunter on October 26, 2008 at 6:30 PM

As someone who worked for the FEC for a short time, I will note two things I learned:

1. The FEC is designed for gridlock (an equal number of Ds and Rs cancelling each other on any life-or-death decision);

2. The FEC has to ask those it is supposed to police for its annual budget. To give you an idea of how that works out, at the FEC offices, you could not run the mircowave oven and the paper shredder at the same time without blowing all of the electricity. Records would sit in document boxes stacked in the hallways for lack of storage, etc.

There are a lot of nice, well-meaning people working there, from the Commissioners on down (yep, that’s how small the FEC is; I worked there for a summer and met Commissioners at a pizza party). But the place is designed and funded to do next to nothing. That’s why I was never in a panic about the FEC policing blogs. I knew it was never going to happen, as the agency had neither the inclination, nor the time nor the resources to do it.

In real-time, the only valuable function of the FEC on this issue is that filing a complaint might get the story in the news. Otherwise, the time lag involved in an investigation renders it moot.

Karl on October 26, 2008 at 7:02 PM

I guess I should add that the FEC has no jurisdiction at all over the issues cryptojunkie mentions.

Karl on October 26, 2008 at 7:03 PM

bourbon……

ManlyRash on Oct 26,2008 at 3:28PM.

ManlyRash: OR SCOTCH!!!!!!!!!! hahaha:)

canopfor on October 26, 2008 at 3:31 PM

STAY AWAY FROM BOTH! Drink Brandy! :)

Vntnrse on October 26, 2008 at 8:11 PM

Terrie on October 26, 2008 at 3:10 PM

It’s the Barney Song. Made especially for Purple Marx.

BKennedy on October 26, 2008 at 8:19 PM

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