Sugar daddy….

I assume your alluding to the big Jihad, the struggle in the dark soul of every Mohammedan to remain loyal to darkness. I want to hear you talk about the little Jihad, you know, the robbery, raping ,enslavement and murder of unbelievers.

flashoverride, as your handing out Islamic chestnuts I thought I’d give the source you asked for last night.

Now here comes the part where you say I’m taking it out of context. And when I show you it isn’t , you will switch to the idea of Arabic being to complex for English translation etc. etc.

I should not be too hard on you since it appears you reverted for love and to let your brides relatives sleep at night knowing the groom was not a najis kaffir.

Now if your here to tout or defend Islam fine, I look forward to taking your arguments to pieces. I don’t usually enjoy talking Islam, it’s like analyzing feces. But I won’t let you spread lies.

Whats the next chestnut? “if someone kills someone it is as though the whole world was murdered”?

Unfortunately much of the Holy Quran speaks of forcible conversion and dishonesty with infidels. This has been used by radical imams to gain power and influence, even here in America.

Umm, No?

Sur 2:256, “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in Allah has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. Allah is Hearer, Omniscient. ”

That dishonsety with “infidels” is the Taqiyya thing again, and I don’t that word means what you think it means. What’s funny is that Jews, Christians, and even Zoroastrians are considered people of the book.

Stop taking all of this nonsense at face value. Google exists, and the text is out there. Read the book for yourself, learn some history, and come up with your own judgement.

God would also understand that love and honor cannot be forced, and would value free-will. The modern Muslim faith must recognize that jihad is not a battle of weapons and death. It is a battle of words and ideas. If the proponents of Islam cannot win on these terms, they have no basis to lay claim as a means to truth.

What’s odd here is you have actually come to almost the exact meaning of jihad. I would suggest reading up on the subject by authors other than Robert Spencer… just google meaning of jihad.

Reality: There are millions of Arab- and Muslim-Americans in this country. You cannot run a serious national campaign without including them. Some one’s third cousin or dry-cleaner’s fiancee is always going to have been involved in some shady business. Most of us are adult enough to deal with this.

Conservative does NOT mean “Bible believer” as the mind numbed robot in the video proclaims. This statement by the man in the video really chaps my ass. Sorry to be so blunt but this ignorant belief that has been adopted by some Christian religious people is false. It gives anyone that isn’t a Christian the idea that they can’t be a conservative because they’re not a Christian.

And yes, Liberals do use this against us and are able to call us the party of exclusion because of dolts like this one. The media promotes this nationally and it screws us at election time.

We need to differentiate between law abiding Muslims that love America, and those that wish to hurt us. This will not be an easy task. Unfortunately much of the Holy Quran speaks of forcible conversion and dishonesty with infidels. This has been used by radical imams to gain power and influence, even here in America.

Unfortunately, Islam is not the only religion to use God as a means to gain influence and power. The Christian church mired Europe in the dark-ages because of their quest for power. The biggest problem is that weaponry is more deadly today and the reformation process of Islam is some six hundred years behind that of Christianity because it was founded later. This leads to some pretty ugly things happening.

Ultimately, the only people that are capable of reforming Islam without massive bloodshed, are the Muslims themselves. They will have to decide what kind of world they wish to live in. Will it be engulfed in war and strife created by the efforts to create a new caliphate? Or will it belong to enlightenment by allowing free exchange of ideas?

I argue that if Islam cannot win the hearts and minds of people without resorting to violence then it cannot be the truth of God. For God would make his truth apparent without the need to resort to force.

God would also understand that love and honor cannot be forced, and would value free-will. The modern Muslim faith must recognize that jihad is not a battle of weapons and death. It is a battle of words and ideas. If the proponents of Islam cannot win on these terms, they have no basis to lay claim as a means to truth.

Conservatism has not and has never been a religious centric direction.
It is and always has been an ideology. It has never been selective nor has it been exclusive.

Its guiding principals have been written in the documents of our founding fathers. Let us not forget why the first immigrants arrived on the shores of this great land. Religious Freedom.

I suspect the first humans to arrived here in the America’s before all else had something similar in mind. All are entitled to the same freedoms under the Constitution of the United States, as all are bound by its laws and regulations.

Why don’t more Muslims “protest” acts of terror? Hmmm I’ll give you my Uncle’s answer on that. Just FYI the man is a Lebanese-born Muslim and was naturalized a U.S. citizen shortly before my birth (1986).

Now then his answer: “Why the hell should I have to distance myself from a bunch of cave-dwelling murdering retards so deluded by someone that they think that blowing themselves (and others) up a.) is any part of Islam or b.) will somehow ensure an eternal reward? Please tell me this…and don’t ever ask me such an insulting question again dammit!”

I bear that in mind when I read of those asking Muslims to denounce the actions of their “fellow Muslims”. Its kinda hard to denounce those that you believe are so fallen that they no longer represent your faith. Also, it then (in some people’s minds including my uncle) legitimizes them as “real Muslims” when the smart ones see them as nutjobs.

I like the association of Westboro Baptist as someone put above….I feel no need to denounce them because in my view (and that of most other rational Christians) they AREN’T Christians! Capishe?

Also flash, thanks for your service Marine. Inshallah you will be safe this tour.

a little hint.

Change from ISLAM IS TEH EVIIL!!oneone!!

to WAHHABISM IS TEH EVIIL!!!eleventy!!!

One little word and your arguments gain much more credibility and legitimacy. To somehow assert that because a large percentage of Wahhabis are hardcore tangos ergo all Muslims are hardcore tangos because you haven’t seen any taking to the street lately is a pretty poor argument.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I’m sorry about getting back so late, but hopefully you will check this thread again. At my current level of understanding I can agree with your statement. We cannot morally destroy Islam so we have to find some way to work to secularize it. I think your experience makes an excellent counter weight for HA and I hope you continue to post.

You got that straight. You guys are way better than Karl Rove.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:15 AM

“Interesting” excerpt:

Hate Speech?

(Not According to CAIR)

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Hate speech? Incitement to violence? Sounds like it to us, but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Muslims not consider this to be hate speech? How is it that we can post these quotes with full certainty that CAIR won’t be contacting the media (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?

Well, for one thing, we don’t actually agree with any of these disgusting statements, of course. But the real reason is that Muslims themselves honestly believe these quotes to be the literal, eternal word of Allah. In fact, CAIR is promoting this hate speech on their own website! It is actively propagating the very literature that contains these comments, even while sanctimoniously claiming that it is working against hate and violence.

But… isn’t CAIR a Muslim organization? What’s the catch?

Well, if you haven’t guessed it already, these are quotes from the Qur’an in which we’ve replaced the word ‘Christian’, ‘Jew’ or ‘unbeliever’ with the word ‘Muslim.’

Here are enough attacks to keep Allah fed and answer your question.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:15 AM

And we are just getting warmed up, Infidel, Allah willing.

Not quite so absolutely false. In the past, Catholics were strongly discouraged from reading the Bible, because they might not interpret it correctly. So it at least used to be true that Catholics were told not to read the Bible.

I believe it was Vatican II that changed the Catholic position on this, and now encourages Bible reading. That was back in the 60’s.

So it’s true that Catholics are officially encouraged to read their Bibles now, but that’s a recent change. Several hundred years ago, translating the Bible into English was, shall we say, highly discouraged.

I have no idea of course how many Catholics actually read their Bibles.

theregoestheneighborhood on October 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM

ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

Vatican II concluded in 1966; my family still has my great grandmothers Catholic Bible printed in 1916. And it has been well worn.

Some of the Saints during The Middle Ages never read the Bible, because they couldn’t read. Illiteracy was the main point of the stain glass windows and the statuary; to teach the lessons of the Bible in visual terms.

“Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.” – - St. Jerome quoted from the 4th century.

CCRWM on October 26, 2008 at 12:22 AM

Thanks for the links and the hope that it is at least getting some traction. Attorney Berg did a full hour with Savage and he is very logical & convincing but without trying to convince anyone.

Here are enough attacks to keep Allah fed and answer your question.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

There is hope for you, Seventy five percent of Muslim reverts in the US leave Islam in a few years.

Here is a citation for it if you like…
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam#New_Muslim_Converts_Leave_Islam_within_a_Few_Years

The big tent is the hard-on many nationalistic, exclusive conservatives pitch

The Race Card on October 26, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Nationalistic and exclusive? Now that would be a neat trick.

Otherwise, we will hold them responsible for their anti-Islamic words. Any attempt to defy the Islamic Holy forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to putting all of the world under our jurisdiction.

You cannot speak out against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah. Any group that speaks against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will be destroyed. The Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will overcome the Zionist and Christen infidels and their Hotair stooges.

Allah willing.