Palin: Yes, of course Muslims are welcome in the party
posted at 3:45 pm on October 25, 2008 by Allahpundit
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New from the American News Project, which earned enough goodwill from me for that clip of McCain supporters chasing away a crank that I’m willing to post this heavy-handed attempt to crank-ify the entire party just for the Palin footage. Normally this wouldn’t qualify as news, but such is the demonization of the campaign generally and of the ‘Cuda in particular that it’s worth flagging now for easy reference the next time she’s compared to a Nazi.
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True. And he’s one of the least taught.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:14 PM
You sure are, Dave. Comedy-fricken-gold. So…wanna bet on the outcome of the election? Still sure your…um…boy…is gonna win? C’mon, Dave, be man for once instead of liberal Canadian.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:14 PM
Heh. I figured you wouldn’t answer it.
PAWNED!
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Keep it up FiveWays.
You know what would blow me away? Sarah Palin replying to some dumbass reporter asking her what she reads and she says: “Well, right now I’m struggling with Chesterton’s “Orthodoxy”.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Was he asking that seriously? Isn’t preaching, blogging without a computer? Isn’t religion itself the answer to the question, where are the evangelical bloggers?
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 6:15 PM
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:16 PM
You never explain why you asked it.
PAWNED!
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:17 PM
The Holy Scriptures are generally considered to be the Old and New Testament. The better question is to ask “what is the Word of God”
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Hey everybody, let’s take up a collection of money to purchase a starer kit of Chesterton’s works for Allahpundit.
If anybody needs it, it is him. He is so lost it is like he is really Bill Maher. These two are such lost souls.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:19 PM
Good lord (and I mean that as a euphemism for more stringent language), what are all of you going on about?
That conservatism ideology is not a religion. It is a political ideology that espouses the ideas of small government, less spending and individual liberty. An idea that believes human life is sacred. That we should not reduce another’s liberty for the sake of ours unless they present an immediate and extreme danger to the physical safety of another or the nation. Practicing religion is a sacred right that must be defended, regardless of its origins or its name.
If a Muslim businessman believes the same, good for him.
The only place where we may inhibit religious practice is when it presents a direct physical threat to another.
I don’t consider political Islam a faith, even if its core was built around a faith. Political Islam is a totalitarian ideology just as Communism and fascism.
Is anyone really advocating here that Islam or any other religion should be thrown out of this nation? Are we really advocating to concede millions of muslims in this nation to either the Democrat party or extremism because we cannot reconcile the difference? Are we really advocating to concede billions of Muslims around the globe to extremism when they are not?
We can argue degrees, but I don’t think we should be arguing the overall premise. There is no limit to the people who may believe in less government and individual liberty. The idea that there is a religious litmus test is preposterous.
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Really? How do you know?
Correction: Our entire lives are a gift from God.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:20 PM
Good Question. What is the Word of God and where is it found?
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Sarah is awesome!
Christians like Governor Palin know that it is impossible to become a Christian by force or by accident. Commitment to Christ is an act of a free will or it means nothing. That is why Christianity is the guardian of freedom of religion.
SheofTwoMinds on October 25, 2008 at 6:21 PM
Ah yes. Chesterton- The Apostle of Common Sense!
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Does anyone know if the atheists who have the most problems with Christians were themselves former Christians?
I ask because there are so many non-Christians in America. I never hear about any problems between Christians and non-Christians.
I can’t recall Jews and Muslims and Hindus, etc. complaining about Christians.
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 6:22 PM
About all they have in common is atheism. Allah is a classy, if often brutally snarky, guy who doesn’t make it his business to ridicule religion.
Bill Maher is a professional jerk-off.
And you are an ass-hat.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Meh, I bet you compromising Evangelicals can’t even prove God exists.
…and don’t had me that hokey “Just look at the earth” horseshit either.
I want solid Prove that God/Christ/Jesus even exists. Like a third party account. I bet you’re not even smart enough to produce that. I know of one, but I wanna see YOU produce it.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:23 PM
Whoa!
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Dude, didn’t you even pay attention when Yugoslavia split up?
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:24 PM
Who said I was an Evangelical?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:25 PM
Exactly right, and as perceptive a comment as has appeared on this thread.
I would much rather have the Muslims — several — I know in my party, participating in what makes the country I love great, than to be in a party whose current presidential candidate not only endorsed and embraced the hate-filled, anti-American racist pastor of a “Christian” church, but attended his church for 20 years.
There are good Muslims and dangerous Muslims, and there are good Christians and dangerous Christians.
Neither group gets a blanket endorsement from me. Ever.
MrScribbler on October 25, 2008 at 6:25 PM
“Do they have the faith to recognize it. Again, check your scriptures – Faith is a gift from God.”
So were the fake Oakleys my grandmother gave me when I was eight. Nice sentiment and I appreciated it greatly but the fact existed that they still weren’t really Oakleys, the Korean at the farmers market selling them out of plain white boxes in her minivan for five dollars should have given that away. The person selling those fake Oakleys did not appear to be a reputable Oakley vendor due to the way they ran their establishment. Their establishment was not convincing.
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 6:27 PM
I figured you wouldn’t answer it. Coward.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:27 PM
Are you a lawyer? You have a habit of refusing to answer direct, simple questions, based entirely on minor technicalities.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 6:27 PM
There are good Muslims and dangerous Muslims, and there are good Christians and dangerous Christians.
Neither group gets a blanket endorsement from me. Ever.
Amen
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:28 PM
I’m glad you asked! Everything and everywhere.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Not the most graceful attempt at evangelism I’ve witnessed, but, I’m sure your heart is in the right place.
If anything is going to reach AllahPundit for Christ, I have a feeling it isn’t going to be a comparison to Bill Maher…but hey, I’ve been wrong before.
capitalist piglet on October 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM
I recognized your premise. Obfuscator.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:29 PM
I believe it was St. Bernard of Clairvaux who admonished his monks to “preach the Gospel of Christ every day. Use words if necessary.”
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:30 PM
I’m sorry God did not give you the faith to overcome your doubts about the Oakleys. Bummer. :::grin:::
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:31 PM
Who said I was an Evangelical?
I figured you wouldn’t answer it. Coward.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:27 PM
So, exactly who is trying to convert whom? I mean, are you seriously being an evangelical atheist or are you simply being an ass who is trying to prove you are right?
Take a laxative and get your bowels out of a twist. What do you have to fear from evangelicals except the deep seated fear that they might be right or you might stumble into believing, thus, changing your self image forever?
People say things about evangelical Christians but I have never seen a more angry bunch of folks that atheists who meet one. Its like Bram Stokers’ dracula seeing a cross or something.
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Would be curious to know their relative sizes, and range, so I know which varmint to be more on the lookout for.
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Trying to harness a debate on spiritualism to a specific theology is no minor technicality.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM
Typical Answer.
Reminds me of this creed:
You’d be amazed how many “So-called” Christians believe this and claim to believe in Christ, The Lord.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:33 PM
Heh. The only way Allah is going to “find god” is if McCain pulls the win out with 300 plus.
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:33 PM
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:23 PM
No, poster is a really nice person.
Cindy Munford on October 25, 2008 at 6:34 PM
No Sir, Actually, I am a KJV-1611 A.D. Believe Fundamental Baptist who believes Catholics aren’t Christians and that most Evangelicals need to be saved.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:31 PM
I’ll tell you another thing about those fake Oakleys, they used to hurt my eyes. The product was of a cheap consistency and used to give me headaches because it was so badly constructed. Once I realized that the fake Oakleys were giving me headaches I had to take them off and squint at the light. Some gift, huh?
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 6:35 PM
There are good Muslims and dangerous Muslims, and there are good Christians and dangerous Christians.
Neither group gets a blanket endorsement from me. Ever.
Amen
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:28 PM
Would be curious to know their relative sizes, and range, so I know which varmint to be more on the lookout for.
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM
IN country or out?
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Why are you preaching your Atheism? Aren’t you seeking freedom FROM anti-religion as well as religion?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:36 PM
I disagree. The religious people I’ve known and who are my friends are almost ALL universally for limited government, low taxation, control of government spending, etc.
The reason they are is that if the government becomes too powerful it will certainly try to trim back on religious freedoms. It has already done this in Canada based on all my Canadian connections who are Catholic.
Religious Freedom
Judges who interpret
Pro-life (belongs to states)
Limited Government
The Constitution
Private Charity
Lower Taxation
Opportunity
Free Trade
Stable currency
Deregulation
Strong Defense
Right of Israel to exist
Legal immigration/assimilation
There is no reason why the Republican Party cannot simply espouse the above values and be open to ALL religions including agnostics/atheists.
The above list is a good start to building a new big tent Republican Party that is open to moderates and conservatives. However, it must be at its core a conservative message, but that will allow moderates to come on board, along with east coast country clubbers too.
Sarah Palin is the future. She came of age with Reagan taking the White House. I have yet to detect even one remark she has made to imply that the Republican Party has no room for the Noonan’s of the world.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:36 PM
And you still wonder why it is that many don’t trust christians when they’re appeasing islam?
The GOP should kick muslims out, pronto.
Nazis too.
Even the moderate ones.
Especially the moderates.
Because they fool people like Sapwolf into believing that islam is ‘just a religion’, like christianity.
Kim Hartveld on October 25, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I figured it was about time for a religious thread. Traffic seems to have be someone slow as of late.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 6:37 PM
I would have to say that I would more or less agree with those statements. I do have a lot of respect for the collection of manuscripts known as the Bible, but I do not worship it, nor follow it over what God has put in my own heart. I cannot live on a borrowed revelation.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:37 PM
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:32 PM
No Sir, Actually, I am a KJV-1611 A.D. Believe Fundamental Baptist who believes Catholics aren’t Christians and that most Evangelicals need to be saved.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:35 PM
Saved by whom? So is this argument actually about which fundamentalist Christian view is the correct one?
by the way, I’m a “ma’am”, not a sir. HOpe you don’t want anything to prove that. ;)
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Let’s start domestically. I can’t wait to hear this.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM
I’m not. You obviously don’t paying attention. I’m simply proving that most Christians don’t even believe the Bible that they claim to believe in.
It’s common among evangelicals.
I give Muslims credit, at least they practice their faith and are real about it.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Here, let me demonstrate my Moderate side.
All religions should be accepted. Now then, all you Christians; SHUT THE HELL UP!
Am I missing anything?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:39 PM
Nice people don’t equate Allahpundit with Bill Maher, Miss Cindy. Ass-hats do.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:41 PM
I’m sure Granny meant well. And it gave her so much joy to give you something she thought you wanted. For five bucks, that’s a bargain! Even if you did have to squint at the sun.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:41 PM
Ah, so hypocrisy proves that religion is futile and that God does not exist?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:41 PM
To this I say…:
Pretty Much blows that whole idea of all paths lead to God idea outta the water, doesn’t it?
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:43 PM
I’ll end this here. Yes. I do believe in freedom of and from a Religion, I disagree with the Conservative Christians that America should be a Theocracy.
However, personally, I am a Fundamental Baptist, A KJV Baptist at that. But I am able to separate my Personal religious beliefs from my Politics. Most can’t and I pity them.
This is all on my “about me” page at my Blog. I mention it elsewhere in this comment thread.
Thanks for playing.
-TLC
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:46 PM
She knows about foreign policy because she can see Russia from the beach and now she was growing up in the vicinity of Reagan’s Presidency so that is a reason. I have yet to detect one remark from her that would imply substance. I was intrigued when she got in but she has been a big dud. The only people that think she has done well either have a extremely low opinion of the average American or is ignorant themselves. With her we’d get another Bush, if she’d win at all. Frankly I think she has a super low opinion of the average American because she really acts like a caricature out there. She acts like she doesn’t know anything and she repeats slogans over and over in the same paragraph with no details. I think she is smart so I take offense to the way she willfully carries herself, like an airhead.
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Kim,
Give me some examples where American Christians (real Christians) were ‘appeasing’ Islam. I never see that on TV or even read it on the net. And I sure as hell don’t appease Islam.
But the truth is that the USA is a champion of religious freedom, at least on paper if not always in practice.
That has to mean something. Do Christians unite with Islam vs. state secularism or do Christians unite with state secularism vs. Islam? Long term, I think it is a difficult question for some.
I do know this: The Republican Party MUST stand for freedom and that includes religious freedom.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:48 PM
Without islam going through a major reformation there can be no inclusion.
This Republic and islam are diametric at their core.
jerrytbg on October 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM
I don’t separate them- I prioritize them. God comes first.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM
Income tax is against Islam, and most muslims are conservative in social outlook.
There is really no reason a muslim wouldn’t be drawn to the Republican party and all it stands for, if root-and-branch Republicans would stop treating them like lepers for 5 minutes.
cyclosarin on October 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM
I’m not. You obviously don’t paying attention. I’m simply proving that most Christians don’t even believe the Bible that they claim to believe in.
It’s common among evangelicals.
I give Muslims credit, at least they practice their faith and are real about it.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Faith is not about written words anymore than atheism is about proven science. You didn’t event that type of argument either. Still, I find it interesting that you want to prove anything when the entire point is that nothing is proven.
Basically, you could be dead tomorrow being eaten by worms and forgotten, re-incarnated as an ant or risen in the savior. You have no idea and believe that others should be pessimistic, faithless just looking to get by.
I’m still unconvinced of the necessity to kill people’s faith. Not believe? Surely your own business, but I’m afraid that atheism is one leg of a societal and political ideology that I can’t embrace as useful for the entirety of a society or politi.
simply because, without the words “endowed by their Creator”, you don’t get “unalienable rights”, you get “rights some men decided to take and give whenever it suited their needs”.
Spare me the idea of sheer reason being the father of unalienable rights. Men have reasoned themselves into some very ugly political shams. Just be happy that some men who believed in God decided that rights were given to all men from somebody higher up on the food chain and not just some ordained monarchy or we wouldn’t have this conversation at all.
Kat_Mo on October 25, 2008 at 6:49 PM
That’s disingenuous, at best.
The question was “I want solid Prove (sic) that God/Christ/Jesus even exists.”
If you were trying to “debate spiritualism,” an appropriate response would be something like “I’m not an evangelical, but… I believe that Josephus’s reference to Jesus in 93AD counts as proof.” (Or whatever you deemed as proof, in your own mind, obviously.)
Ignoring the question isn’t “debate.” And you’ve done it repeatedly. You’re harshing my mellow, frankly.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 6:50 PM
FiveWays: Conservatism does not equal Christianity. And, yes, the pilgrims DID come here to escape FROM releigion. rom the religion imposed upon them which was the Church of England.
We are free to be religious, or not to be religious. You are confusing POLITICS and RELIGION.
The 2 are NOT the same. That doesn’t mean that all religions are morally equivalent, you’re making illogical leaps.
JustTruth101 on October 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Fascinating. A whole new twist to astroturfing. Instead of the standard “I’m a concerned Christian who has been a life-long Republican but…” approach, a different tactic is employed. Very good. Now beat it.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:51 PM
Go Sarah Go!
HotAirJosef on October 25, 2008 at 6:52 PM
Lepers? Don’t be ridiculous.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:54 PM
Lev,
You are not truly seeing what is there. I’m more educated than Sarah, but I see how she connects and I know based on studying her past that she is MORE likely to use the veto pen against pork. She can lead, is tough, has energy. She will get up to speed even more on national issues if she decides that the Republican Party has a place for her: limited government, control spending, etc. Sure she could end up as not controlling spending and maybe do another round of nation-building. But, who else do we have that has the toughness and desire to pull the Republican Party back together to really be the Party that it was. I’m open for suggestions. Jindal, Cantor, and others are out there too.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:54 PM
One of my co-workers who is one of the nicest people on the face of the earth is a Muslim, who truly believes the Koran is the Word of God and wanted to have a dialogue with me about it, since he knew that I was interested in religion and spirituality. He put forth an essay about the Koran that could very well have been written by a Christian about the Bible being the Word of God with all these logical proofs. We could have gotten into a tit for tat type of tedious argument, because I have seen Christians put forth these same types of arguments about Christianity and the Bible, but the bottom line is this: He believes what he believes with all his heart and soul. I believe what I believe with all my heart and soul, or I would not believe it.
I finally had to put it to him like this: God has not come before me personally to tell me what is what. I like to read about the spiritual stories that are out there in the world, and understand them for the metaphors that they are, since trying to describe spiritual things using physical language is nearly impossible (just ask the metaphysical philosophers). I CHOOSE to be a Christian because I like that story best. I don’t know if God became man, then chose to die for everyone’s sin, but I WANT to believe that story. I like the story of a God who loved his creation so much that he became flesh to experience what we experience, all the agony, doubt and temptation that being clothed in flesh in this material world brings, and then forgives us every last mis-step, every bad thought. And loves us no matter what. I really really want that story to be true. Would I, could I die for that story? I don’t know. I’m not a martyr. I’m only human. And I hope God forgives that too.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 6:55 PM
We as Americans don’t have enough information about Muslims in general to make educated decisions that have a guaranteed chance of being accurate.
Much like what Obama and his ilk have done to Joe The Plumber, the Koran is rife with passages that command some very harsh punishment against those who have the temerity to question it’s tenets and it’s basis in truth.
Look, I know of no other religion on the earth that teaches it’s adherents to kill innocent people. It is a completely irrational faith that only exhibits Christ like love for those who follow the teachings. IE, honor killings, the hate of Israel, and the most damning teaching is the allowance for a Muslim to outright LIE to someone because they are not Muslim. So, how do you trust them? When are they being truthful and when are they lying?
A country run under Islamic law is 180 degrees out of phase with American values. The left of this country believe in moral relativity (which leads to letting ones guard down) and THAT is the path that a conspiracy to inject Islamic law into our country’s will take. Do we know this for sure? No we don’t, but until we can get some experience with the Muslim community, we need to tread very carefully so we don’t open ourselves up and neither do we disenfranchise an entire community.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM
No it wasn’t. It was “Are all people spiritual?”
You’re confusing Theology with Spirituality.
Not understanding the debate is “harshing” your cognitive resources. And your use of the word “harshing” has proven as much.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM
But a no brainer for most.
Kim Hartveld on October 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Like pornography (I know it’s a terrible analogy, but the quote fits), I know good Muslims and Christians when I see them. And see their actions.
Quantifying good and dangerous isn’t easy. After all, who would think Osama Obama, Mr We-Are-the-World Hoper and Changer, would be allied with a virulent, America-hating racist pimple on Christianity like Wright? I mean, The Messiah looks so, well, “normal” a lot of the time….
By the same token, I have known a couple of Muslim me whose appearance would make you beg to be taken of thee airplane they had seats on. It’s how they look, even if they are patriotic Americans.
MrScribbler on October 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Still waiting on that answer, Kat.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM
Oh, and once the Republican Party drops the Pro-Life platform or does not at least keep the hope of overturning Roe vs. Wade so it resides with the states per the 10th Amendment, then the USA becomes a one-party country.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:56 PM
If this were true it would just show that Christianity has progressed further than Islam. The less people start believing this nonsense will be a painful transition but it slowly going to the right place, however on the left positivism gains strength because people use these “religions” to also gain superiority over a nonbeliever evidenced by the mouthbreathing over the concept of moral equivalence earlier in this thread and the lifestyle legislation of the Dems.
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 6:58 PM
For what it’s worth, one of the reasons Obama doesn’t appeal to me is because I already have a Savior with whom Obama simply can’t compete.
SheofTwoMinds on October 25, 2008 at 6:59 PM
One last thought: I will never countenance treating Muslims or member of any other faith — not even atheists — the way Jews were treated in 1930s Germany. I have no doubt many loyal Nazis with a spark of humanity left decided Hitler was just going after the “bad” Jews….
MrScribbler on October 25, 2008 at 7:00 PM
This is a great point. Although I believe in religious freedom in the USA and in the Republican Party, I ALSO believe that Islam has some intrinsic conflict with American Values including religious freedom itself. Islam is more likely to cause trouble in the USA under a morally relativistic regime than with a more Judeo-Christian regime.
Europe was saved from Islam centuries ago due to Christianity. Europe is dying now due to atheistic secularism not being able to fight Islam. BELIEF will defeat unbelief. Why? With BELIEF comes HOPE, whether it is legitimate or not.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 7:04 PM
I hear what you are saying, but you are you seeing the metaphorical and symbolic importance of what happened when the veil in the Temple was rent? It is because of Jesus that they can see God, even if they don’t know or see Jesus. Jesus never asked to be worshipped. Not even after the resurrection – he always pointed to God.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:04 PM
First- you assume that you chose Christianity. In reality, Christ chose you.
Just read the Book of Psalms. Or better yet- dive into St. Thomas Aquinas!
He will always forgive that. Doubt is constant. That’s why it’s called FAITH. “Then the boy’s father cried out, “I do believe, help my unbelief!”
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM
No. It wasn’t. Go look at LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:23 PM. I gave you an exact quote, Einstein.
Hahaha! You ignored the question AGAIN! You’re a buffoon.
And “harshing your mellow” is just a pop culture reference. I’m not surprised that it went over your head.
My point is, this thread is fascinating because everyone but you has the stones (and knowledge) to defend their various beliefs. That’s why you’re “harshing my mellow.”
But keep ducking the direct questions. You’ll make a wonderful democrat politician one day.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM
There is an interesting piece online about What Happened to the Hindu Temples written back in the 1980s about what went on in India. It’s pretty much the same thing that happened in Iran. The Islamists (not the ordinary Muslims) teamed up with the left to tear down the establishment, then turned on the left when they had the power. The left in America mistakenly believes that their kindness will be remembered and honored. It won’t.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM
Seems like tax policy, entitlements, miliary spending, anti-terrorism, gun rights, and free speach provied many other opportunities for two parties to disagree.
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 7:11 PM
You becha. Honey always works better than vinegar. Although there is a time to pick up the mace and go to war with Islam or at least the extremist terrorists.
YOu are so correct in how the MSM knows NOTHING about Christianity. They have no idea or understanding of Christian forgiveness. I suspect Sarah does.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM
uhm….Tanya….the original question started here:
I repeat: Not understanding the debate is “harshing” your cognitive resources, Tanya. And your use of the word “harshing” has proven as much.
Go back to sleep, Love……and God bless…….
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:14 PM
I agree – Christ chose me, in the sense that He let me feel most sympatico with His story. But for the purposes of my argument I wanted to express that I did not choose Christianity out of logical proof, such as the authenticity of the Bible. So, I could respect his choice of being a Muslim – he cannot believe differently, unless god calls him out of it.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:15 PM
As for Psalms – 139 is my favorite
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Yes, you can be different on those issues. But without a right to life, all other issues are pretty minor and you can bet even less social conservatives will participate in elections at the national level.
The choice then might be unfairly put as: Socialism/Marxism vs. lightly regulated selfishness. It just doesn’t ring a bell as much.
But when you see Sarah holding Trig on TV, millions are ready to go under the bus for her. It is that kinda magic that would disappear from American politics. There is just something special about someone who when they encounter the Cross, pick it up and trust God.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Made me think of this:
(Rambam, GOTP, I34)
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 7:19 PM
You accepted Christ’s choice of you because it WAS logical proof of your spirituality.
The Holy Spirit told you as much.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Required viewing for all.
jerrytbg on October 25, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Read St. Thomas Aquainas, and by all means READ G. K. CHESTERTON!
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:22 PM
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:24 PM
already have what?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:26 PM
I never said I was not spiritual. I don’t recall a time I did not know God. I had a hard time with the whole “born again” concept, because I never had an emotional response to it, so I was baptized several times in hopes of a recognizably spiritual experience.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:29 PM
I have already read them.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Uhm, buffoon. Nice try.
So call me all the names you’d like, my sweet little liar, to disguise the fact that you haven’t the spine to answer a straight question. Until you answer it, you’ll always just be an silly, escapist, and mostly boring buffoon.
Goodnight, tiny pretender.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 7:31 PM
The problem is that the McCain campaign is so eager not to offend a single Muslim–no matter how extremist–that it won’t 1) scrutinize Majida Mourad, the head of Muslim-Americans for McCain who gave terrorist nations tours of our nuclear facilities’ security and who should be in prison for lying on her federal top secret security clearance forms, 2) won’t admit to the press the real reason McCain dumped Muslim Ali Jawad from his finance committee . . . because of his open support for and financing of Hezbollah.
The McCain campaign is so much more worried about offending Muslims than members of any other religion that they won’t take the appropriate actions. Not sure how this is something to celebrate. I’m, of course, voting for McCain, but don’t expect him to address these issues in his White House any more than Obama will. Clearly, both candidates act as if they are walking on eggshells vis-a-vis Muslims, no matter how extreme the particular Muslim is.
Debbie Schlussel on October 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM
If you have truly read St. Thomas Aquainas and Chesterton, you should know that; We are ALL spiritual, and that our spiritual journey to God does not necessarily depend on our emotional responses.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM
The only name I called you Tanya, was “Love”.
Did I not answer that I was NOT an Evangelical?
Again: What does my specific theology have to do with the original question?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 7:39 PM
When the media contrasts individual opinions against official party positions, they should do so for both parties.
So they found a guy who said that in his mind conservatism is about belief in Jesus, not Mohammed. I don’t agree with that at all, and Sarah Palin says Muslims should not be excluded or discriminated against in the Republican party.
Well, similarly, Obama says he is post-racial. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt on that. But, honestly, how hard would a reporter have to look to find an Obama supporter who would speak out vociferously about oppression by “whitey”? The only reason we don’t see that, but we do see such a contrast illustrated for us with respect to Republicans, is blindingly obvious – the media wants to show one, and not the other.
And the fact is that the one they want to show, and do show, is far less common than the one they don’t!
There is a technical term for this type of reporting. It is called “lying”.
drunyan8315 on October 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM
You guys don’t get it. The people who are afraid of Islam aren’t afraid of the religion, but they are afraid of the totalitarian political ideology built into the core of the religion.
DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 7:53 PM
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