Palin: Yes, of course Muslims are welcome in the party
posted at 3:45 pm on October 25, 2008 by Allahpundit
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New from the American News Project, which earned enough goodwill from me for that clip of McCain supporters chasing away a crank that I’m willing to post this heavy-handed attempt to crank-ify the entire party just for the Palin footage. Normally this wouldn’t qualify as news, but such is the demonization of the campaign generally and of the ‘Cuda in particular that it’s worth flagging now for easy reference the next time she’s compared to a Nazi.
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Hmmmm.. posted a comment and it did not show up… Wonder why?
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Yeah like, The Atheist was intolerant to the Christian intolerence.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Please enforce this dictum, or irenic extremists will hijack this thread and turn it into a 2,000 post quagmire.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Pish Posh…
ManlyRash on Oct 25,2008 at 4:57PM.
ManlyRash: A few weeks ago,Ace warned of the ban-hammer
on his site,in case some comments got out of
hand,as in theirs an election on the go!!:)
canopfor on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
It’s on page 1
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
canopfor on October 25, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Well halloween is coming everyone needed a fake scare.
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Good for Gov. Palin.
Dawnsblood on October 25, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Moderates are cold fish. They serve a certain function, and that is to cool the heat of those that have more passion. They act as a brake, but brakes are meant to stop something and not drive it.
DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Later dude.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:04 PM
You know when this country has reached a tipping point?
When:
a) A Christian Fundalmentalist is the lead blogger on a Left-Wing site.
OR
b) An atheist is the lead blogger on a Right-Wing site.
Someone help me out here…….which way is this country tipping…………?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Yeah, I seen it… Thanks. :)
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Moderates are cold fish. They serve a certain function, and that is to cool the heat of those that have more passion. They act as a brake, but brakes are meant to stop something and not drive it.
DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 5:03 PM
Some act as a brake some act like an oncoming 18 wheeler driven by a drunk
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Someone help me out here…….which way is this country tipping…………?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:04 PM
If you believe the polls towards Satlin’s vision= (There is no god but the state and death to those that believe otherwise.)
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM
Oh, this is so stupid. There are plenty of Muslims in my classes at school, and we are all friends. It’s the LEFT that hates and discriminates, only their hate is directed towards Christians, that’s why they all hate Sarah Palin so much. We are not the prejudiced ones, THEY ARE. They just do not get us. Example: the left thought we would all pounce on Paln’s daughter for being pregnant, and were so surprised when the Christian community embraced her, loved her, and did not judge her. I don’t know any Muslims at church because I go to a christian church, but believe me, if any Muslims walked in the door, we would love them like crazy.
The left STILL doesn’t get it – yeah we love our Christian bruddas and sisters, but anybody who’s not a Christian we love and accept and WANT them to come in (so we can convert ‘em, doncha know? You becha!)
JustTruth101 on October 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM
I wouldn’t characterize Allah as Jell-o.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM
b) An atheist is the lead blogger on a Right-Wing site.
Looks like it’s begun……
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM
Probably because you clicked ‘preview’ thinking that it was ’submit comment’ and then hit refresh. I’ve done it a couple of times.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:09 PM
I think we must sadly conclude that Michelle sold out conservatism by employing a dirty atheist.
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM
wouldn’t characterize Allah as Jell-o.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:07 PM
I would and did
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Could you be more specific? I’m curious.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Sometimes moderates are the deal makers. A country of 300 million needs to get from the beginning of the week to the end of the week, and pragmatism can help with that process.
For a politcal party ideological coherence is positive, until it prevents you from reaching a majority. One has to win to set the agenda.
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Great point! The whole thing is bogus! Duh,, it was a Christian people that founded this nation where people from every faith could come and worship! THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN MUSLIMS, IN AMERICA! The question is not whether someone is a Muslim, Catholic, Baptist or Mormon or an atheist!! The question is, are they a patriot? Do they want to change America into the image of some other nation???
This is so stupid!
Patrick Henry: “It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]
It is the Christian faith that has a history of tolerance for people of other faiths!
Posers are trying to frame the debate by stating a premise that Christians or Republicans are not tolerant of people of other faiths!!! Meanwhile,, Republicans are being ripped by those same idiots for waging a war to liberate a people of the Muslim faith!!
It is the Democrat Marxists that should be asked if they can tolerate Christians in their party,,, if they can even tolerate Christians in America!!!!
JellyToast on October 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM
think we must sadly conclude that Michelle sold out conservatism by employing a dirty atheist.
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Manchurian blogger?
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Church does not mean a building – it refers to people – the “called out ones” meaning those called out of “Babylon.”
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM
My dentist is a Muslim guy but he’s voting for Obama ’cause Republicans called terrorists “Muslim Terrorists.” He was about to drill in my mouth so I didn’t argue with him. BHO’s got the Muslim AND the terrorist vote.
Umm. dude, 99% of the terrorists in the world are Muslim. Coincidence?
Mojave Mark on October 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Oh noes! That turncoat! That liberal in conservative’s clothing! Who knew that all this time Michelle Malkin was an Obama mole. I guess that means I gotta vote for Obama./
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Really? How does Bill Kristol find the time between the NYTimes and FOXNEWS?
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM
When our collective definition of “Tolerance” means that Christians must give moral equivalence to all other doctrines as they do to their own- it’s over.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Oy. And so it begins…
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM
Shhhhh.
Actually, George Will’s an agnostic, too.
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM
moderates are followers not leaders. They are the beta males to the alpha. They are the ones you would leave you girlfriend with all night and not worry about. Sure they serve a purpose but they will serve anyone’s purpose. They are the people you bribe that don’t stay bought. They are the used car salesmen of the world.
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:14 PM
When did I say anything about a building?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Auuuuuuuuuuggghhhhhh!!! *stirs cyanide into the scotch*
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM
whew*
And here I thought Conservatism sold out moderates by accepting dirty “Christians”!
whew!
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM
He gives it away, what does the Bible say about being “lukewarm”?
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 5:17 PM
Too?
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 5:18 PM
That is not what I meant at all – I mean that Christians and or other God loving people cannot bring about Utopia by the sheer force of their will. Only Jesus can do it and it will not happen until he comes. Until then, we all must fight whatever tyranny or injustice we feel is right to fight. You can’t live on a borrowed revelation. You must do what is in your own heart to do.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 5:18 PM
NOW WAIT A MINUTE! RELIGION’S ONE THING;
BUT I WILL NOT SIT BY AS YOU POLLUTE THE SACRED AMBER WATERS OF SCOTCH!!!!!!!
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Eisenhower was a moderate. He was kinda alpha and his job seemed more demanding than that of a used car salesman.
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 5:20 PM
How so?
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Lookit, not everyone is spiritual. It’s not something you choose. It’s like a color some people don’t see.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 5:21 PM
It’s not over – it’s far from being over – it has barely begun.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 5:23 PM
Eisenhower was a moderate.
Conservatives should be moderates.
True Christians should be moderates.
The Republican Party should be Moderate.
All this “moderation” is getting our GOP butts kicked by the FAR-LEFT MARXISTS.
So I guess we need-
TO BE MORE MODERATE??!!
*my head is spinning*
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:23 PM
A ‘moderate’ Republican, in an age when there were still a great many things upon which Republicans and Democrats agreed. Today, not so much, and the differences between the parties are practically night and day.
How one can claim to be a “moderate’ in the face of two starkly, diametrically opposed political philosophies is a mystery I am hoping you will clear up for me.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Eisenhower was a moderate. He was kinda alpha and his job seemed more demanding than that of a used car salesman.
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Moderate? Look up project wetback for moderation. look up defeat total defeat unconditional defeat of nazis. a moderate would have sued for peace.
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Wrong. Everyone is spiritual. Not everyone wants to face it………..
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:25 PM
Really? Ask the resident atheist blogger if it’s over.
….or is he still “praying” about it……
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:26 PM
This is so ridiculous. What else is she supposed to say? And not all Muslims are Osama Bin Laden either.
Someone said something about Jesus wanting to turn the other cheek or whatever. Jesus also said render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s. He accepted the role of the state. His message of love had more to do with our immortal souls and salvation than it had to do with passivity. The fact that Jesus did not believe we should stone an adulteress does not mean we should fail to defend ourselves.
But enough of that.
Terrye on October 25, 2008 at 5:32 PM
The real question is not about whether Muslims are welcome in the Republican Party – of course they are and their votes are much desired – but the question that was asked in the video; specifically, would it matter if either candidate were a Muslim? The answer is an emphatic hell YES it would matter, but to see why one has to know about Islam. For that I recommend reading at least Sura 8 and 9 of the Koran and consulting books by Robert Spencer and Bernard Lewis. For just one practical example, overwhelmingly Muslims believe Israel should not exist and that territory should revert to the Islamic world (dar al-Islam). A Muslim president that supported such a perceived enemy of Muslims as Israel would be condemned as an apostate by virtually all high-ranking Muslim clerics, and in Islam apostasy deserves execution – which alone ought to tell you something very unpleasant about Islam.
And would not a Muslim president call for “hate speech” laws to deter the racism and “Islamophobia” of critics of Islam and try to get a Supreme Court amendible to this?
Chessplayer on October 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Yes yes, I have been hearing much bickering on my TV about taxes this week between the campaigns and that Joe the Plumber guy. Tell me it seems like there is a great difference between the two. Many people pay around 40-50 percent of their wages to various taxes by the time it is said and done and income taxes are a large part of that, so my question is how many percentage points separate these two distinctively different ideologies with regards to their tax plans?
LevStrauss on October 25, 2008 at 5:34 PM
Muslims welcome in the GOP? COMEDY GOLD!
Dave Rywall on October 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Are you asking that because he’s a dentist? (A truly sadistic career.)
20% of the world is Muslim. If even 1% of them were terrorists, we’d all be dead or praying toward Mecca.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM
unseen:
I would consider myself a moderate in some ways, that does not mean I am not passionate about what I believe in. Moderate does not mean wishy washy. Most Americans consider themselves moderates in fact. They do not feel comfortable with extremes. That might have something to do with living in a two party country where even our government is about checks and balances.
Terrye on October 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Hey, we complain about the left discriminating against us as Christians, which they do, so let’s not be what they accuse us of, whcih we are not.
Conservatism is NOT religion, never was, never shall be.
Conservatism means:
1. fiscal conservatism (low taxes, equal opp for all to achieve great things)
2. traditional values (strong families, good schools, parental rights)
3. strong national defense (peace through strength)
4. small govt (we tell the govt what ITS power is, not the the other way around)
5. federalism (local decision making)
And if you want to get in the the Christian belief system, it fits perfectly well WITHIN conservatism, but it does not define conservatism NOR SHOULD IT. Christians believe the Christian life is VOLUNTARY and any who wishes may come in. Those who don’t, cannot be and should not be forced in. Forcing someone to be a Christian doesn’t get the job done – a Christian has to CHOOSE of their own free will or it doesn’t count, and God himself doesn’t force people to believe in Him, so lay off the religious attacks on non-Christians. That’s not who we are.
JustTruth101 on October 25, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Dave:
You are a dumbass. Really you are. The GOP was not the party that made blacks pay a poll tax you know.
Back in the 90s when the President was a Democrat I can remember Bill Richardson another Democrat talking about evil Islamic terrorists in groups like AlQaida getting financial and operational support from evil Islamic dictators like Saddam Hussein. This whole Democrats are tolerant and GOPers are war monger thing is revisionist history.
Terrye on October 25, 2008 at 5:38 PM
Sitting here thinking about the authors of big-traffic righty blogs, I can’t come up with a single evangelical Christian. Michelle and Ed are Catholic; Ace, I’m reasonably sure, is agnostic. I’m not sure what Charles Johnson and Glenn Reynolds are (agnostic, I suspect, but that’s just a hunch), but they certainly don’t seem like evangelicals in their blogging.
Where are the evangelicals?
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Conservatism in the 1950s was a response by William F. Buckley and later Barry Goldwater to the Eisenhower administration, which was viewed as too liberal. In 1952 Ike had defeated Taft who represented the conservative wing of the GOP at the time.
To some Eisenhower wasn’t sufficiently anti-communist, too pro labor, too supportive of the federal government’s role in civil rights, and too supportive of the New Deal.
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Does that mean we should give all other faiths the same moral equivilence as our own?
Christianity is NOT a Democracy.
Instead, we “conservatives” are trying to out-moderate the far Left. And what has that wrought us? The death of Conservatism. If you think I’m wrong- just look around…..
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:41 PM
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:43 PM
Terrye on October 25, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Most moderates if pressed turn out to be either conservative or liberal. They have been conditiuned to believe they are moderates because the media protrays conservatives as extreme cranks and do not want to be tagged with the label. The true moderates are the followers of trends and fads.
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Where are the evangelicals?
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM
praying for your soul?
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:46 PM
So the Left goes far left-
and
The Right slides to the Center.
We have drank the kool-aid of the Left. Christianity is bad. We must all be more
“moderate”Liberal.FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:46 PM
That’s it. I’ve about foooking had it.
Let me clue you in on something, America was founded on the concept of FREEDOM. FREEDOM OF and FROM Religion, and if AllahPundit wants to be a Atheist, that’s his RIGHT as an American citizen.
The biggest god damned problem with the Republican Party is that Ronald “I’m a former Liberal” Reagan gave a place to the Religious nutballs who wanted to turn this damned country into a theocracy. Sorry folks, we are not Israel and President Bush is not fooking Moses.
So, to you smart mouthed Bible Thumpin’ Nutballs, get off Allah’s back! He’s just as much of an American and a Republican and a Conservative as YOU ARE!
Allah, pay not attention to what these morons are trying to do. Keep posting your stuff man, because I, for one, happen to enjoy what you write. Which is more than I can say for your boss, sometimes.
The Libertarian Conservative
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:47 PM
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM
If I understand the term it is people who spread the word. That’s why I don’t consider myself one, I don’t consider myself knowledgeable enough or interested enough to try to win converts. Interested is a sloppy word but I just don’t force my views on anybody.
Cindy Munford on October 25, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Hell, where is the Conservative Party?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:48 PM
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:46 PM
those that believe in nothing will fall for anything. see global warming, obama worship, hitler worship, allahpundit worship, etc
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Grow Fins on October 25, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Thanks, dude.
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM
Sorry, not reading for comprehension, I thought you said what not where.
Cindy Munford on October 25, 2008 at 5:49 PM
How long does that take? Even people with day jobs manage to blog.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Terrific.
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Who said the quote you referenced?
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 5:49 PM
Funny,…wait until Christmas/Easter to see what party goes After Christians….as they do EVERY year…The Democrats wont even say the word “terrorist”…the white flag carrying members that they are!
christene on October 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Freedom FROM religion? Really?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:50 PM
As a general he was more cautious and political-minded than, say, Patton. In running for president he ran against and defeated the conservatives, represented by Robert Taft.
I’m not making the case the Ike was weak, but that he was pragmatically effective.
dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 5:51 PM
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:47 PM
any anger issues in the family? The quote you posted from was from Allah himself.
unseen on October 25, 2008 at 5:52 PM
And they will tolerate no intolerance…..to their intolerance.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:52 PM
“Men invent new ideals because they dare not attempt old ideals. They look forward with enthusiasm, because they are afraid to look back.” — G. K. Chesterton
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:55 PM
No, YOU are spiritual. I am spiritual, but there are many people who aren’t. Not everyone has “ears to hear” or “eyes to see” – faith is a gift from God, not a do-it-yourself project. It also doesn’t mean that God does not love them. I’m also not saying that they never will love God – but it is each man in his own order. There is a time to every purpose under heaven.
Free choice is a limited menu when you consider how much of our personality and traits are genetically and chemically driven. The propensity to be spiritual or not is hardwired in your DNA. So, I would say that you know God because He wants you to know him. You were created to know him. That is YOUR way of being in the world.
The premise that one just doesn’t want to to face their spirituality is specious as best. And it rather negates the idea of revelation and epiphany. Think about Saul/Paul – persecuting Christians. He was doing what the felt was right in his own heart until he got knocked off his donkey by a powerful light. His own personal revelation. From God. If you go about the world with a preconceived notion of what you consider truth and then try to force it on others around you without respecting their personal revelation, then you are no better than any other Fundamentalist fascist.
Queen0fCups on October 25, 2008 at 5:56 PM
“Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried.” – Gilbert K. Chesterton
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 5:56 PM
No, I just tired of the B.S. that gets slung around here as fact.
People need to freakin’ wake up.
‘Nuff Said.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:57 PM
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Nicely stated.
Tanya on October 25, 2008 at 6:00 PM
Anyone who has ever felt sadness- is spiritual
Anyone who has ever felt love- is spiritual
Anyone who has ever felt loneliness- is spiritual
Anyone who has ever wept from the sorrow of loss- is spiritual
Anyone who has ever wondered “Is there a God?”- is spiritual
The question is-
Do they have the faith to recognize it.
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:02 PM
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 5:57 PM
I am with you, I have jumped in there to support several times myself. Like he needs my help. That being said, I don’t know why we should be encouraging an echo chamber. It is not helpful in the real world where it doesn’t exist.
Cindy Munford on October 25, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Maybe we’ll need a map with three colors.
JiangxiDad on October 25, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Okay, let me play this game your way.
Which version of the Holy Bible to you feel would be accurately called the Holy Scriptures?
I await your answer.
LibertarianConservative on October 25, 2008 at 6:05 PM
Reason is itself a matter of faith. It is an act of faith to assert that our thoughts have any relation to reality at all. – G. K. Chesterton
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:06 PM
Umm. dude, 99% of the terrorists in the world are Muslim. Coincidence?
Mojave Mark on October 25, 2008 at 5:13 PM
———–
COMEDY GOLD
Dave Rywall on October 25, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I wasn’t aware that percentage points on tax policies constituted the sole measurement of difference betwwen the parties. And it isn’t simply Republican vs Democrat. These days it’s more like conservative vs liberal. And in that comparison it is impossible to be a moderate.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Sarah is right on.
The Republican Party IS the party of FREEDOM. And one of those freedoms is religion.
This is a bedrock priciple and should be part of the party platform if it isn’t already.
As a Catholic in America, I am finding I have much bigger differences with the secular left than I do with Islam.
If I had a choice between Islam or marxist secularism, I choose Islam.
Let’s be like Sarah and truly be for freedom and not the slavery of socialism, welfare, social engineering, indoctrination, thougth police, high taxes, restrictions on private property, etc.
It is perfectly understandable why a Muslim American would side with the Republican Party.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:07 PM
Good. Then we can do away with the religion of the moonbat left. They are the ones who are doggedly committed to the sacraments of abortion, silencing opposing ideas, and moral relativity.
The Christian right should simply start espousing the same beliefs they have now, but omit God from the narrative.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 6:08 PM
What does my belief in the Holy Scriptures have to do with my comments on spirituality?
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:09 PM
Isn’t LaShawn Barber an evangelical blogger?
AZCoyote on October 25, 2008 at 6:10 PM
I love that quote. Chesterton is the greatest writer of the 20th century.
Sapwolf on October 25, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Not all of them scream Allahu Akhbar when they crash airliners into skyscrapers. Oh…wait a minute. None of those white serial killers has ever done that. Nevermind.
ManlyRash on October 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM
If there were no God, there would be no Atheists.
- G.K. Chesterton
FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Not much to add here — religious debates almost never change anybody’s mind — but I’d just offer my thanks and encouragement to Allahpundit from a fellow skeptic, atheist, libertarian, and (occasional) pessimist. You and Ace keep me going these days.
Jobius on October 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM
Thanks, much appreciated.
Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 6:13 PM
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