Palin: Yes, of course Muslims are welcome in the party

posted at 3:45 pm on October 25, 2008 by Allahpundit

New from the American News Project, which earned enough goodwill from me for that clip of McCain supporters chasing away a crank that I’m willing to post this heavy-handed attempt to crank-ify the entire party just for the Palin footage. Normally this wouldn’t qualify as news, but such is the demonization of the campaign generally and of the ‘Cuda in particular that it’s worth flagging now for easy reference the next time she’s compared to a Nazi.


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Debbie Schlussel on October 25, 2008 at 7:35 PM

Once in the past I criticized you for something, I can’t remember what it was now….
Having said that and having read your blog, more thoroughly over time, I have to say…
I’m sorry…please accept my apology. (slinks away while looking over shoulder… )

jerrytbg on October 25, 2008 at 7:57 PM

Muslim extremists, just like Christian extremists should not be welcome in any party.

whtabtbill on October 25, 2008 at 4:12 PM

Islam by it’s very nature is extreme. In fact to say Islamic extremism is being redundant.

MB4 on October 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

yet you can’t ask if Obama is a Marxist.

tomas on October 25, 2008 at 8:42 PM

Muslim extremist wages jihad against all infidels.

What exactly does a “Christian extremist” do?

FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 4:14 PM

Extremists accept no others besides those that believe the same as them.

whtabtbill on October 25, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Extremists accept no others besides those that believe the same as them.

whtabtbill on October 25, 2008 at 8:49 PM

Then I choose the extremist named Jesus The Christ. I accept no others.

FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 8:58 PM

Islam by it’s very nature is extreme. In fact to say Islamic extremism is being redundant.

MB4 on October 25, 2008 at 8:24 PM

I disagree with you based on the fact that recently because of two projects I’m the team leader on I have worked with many engineers who are muslim. They have lived in the US for many years and love America. They will be the first to tell you how they came here for a better life and freedom to succeed. They are from Algeria, Iran, Pakistan, India and Croatia. I know because I asked. They are conservative and one even helped get signitures to put Prop 8 on the ballot here in CA. They are private and are embarassed that the extremist in Islam are hijacking their religion. None that I know of is voting for Obama. Like one told me, “why go back to what we escaped”? They don’t practice the most extreme tenets of their religion though many did fast the whole month of Ramadan. We tried not to eat in front of them :)

CCRWM on October 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM

I disagree with you based on the fact that recently because of two projects I’m the team leader on I have worked with many engineers who are muslim. They have lived in the US for many years and love America. They will be the first to tell you how they came here for a better life and freedom to succeed. They are from Algeria, Iran, Pakistan, India and Croatia. I know because I asked. They are conservative and one even helped get signitures to put Prop 8 on the ballot here in CA. They are private and are embarassed that the extremist in Islam are hijacking their religion. None that I know of is voting for Obama. Like one told me, “why go back to what we escaped”? They don’t practice the most extreme tenets of their religion though many did fast the whole month of Ramadan. We tried not to eat in front of them :)

CCRWM on October 25, 2008 at 9:13 PM

Do me a favor CCRWM go to this page at Jihadwatch.org and scan the material, then go ask you’re new friends about anything that you may have found disturbing, and see how they answer you.

DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 9:26 PM

Extremists accept no others besides those that believe the same as them.

whtabtbill on October 25, 2008 at 8:49 PM

And just exactly what do these Christian extremists unaccept others that don’t believe the same as they? Do they blow up buildings with civilians? Do they blow up groups of children receiving candy from U.S. Soldiers?

Please, demonstrate what these extremist Christians do?

shick on October 25, 2008 at 9:30 PM

CCRWM,
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Your experience is hardly a statistical sample. You also don’t necessarily know their true feelings.
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From the fact that the Muslims never protested 911 and no significant number ever protests extremist Muslim acts, it is apparent that the vast majority are in agreement with what the extremists are doing or even actively support them.
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Almost all of the main Muslim groups such as CAIR, MSA and others have extremists on their staff and actively try to defend them such as in the case of the 6 Imam fiasco.
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They definitely should not be given access to any sensitive or secure activity if we value our lives and our freedom.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I’m white, blond hair blue eyes, former Marine, have a security clearance, and took part in OIF I.

Also, I’m muslim, converted, and I kindly invite to shut your stupid mouth. You too, MB4.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM

flashoverride,

Do you have any answer for the lack of protests? What about CAIR and the other radical groups extremist connections?

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 9:46 PM

From the fact that the Muslims never protested 911

Not true, Google is your friend

and no significant number ever protests extremist Muslim acts, it is apparent that the vast majority are in agreement with what the extremists are doing or even actively support them

Emphasis mine – most Muslims aren’t Arab, and aren’t involved in this horeshit. Most Muslims live in 2nd or 3rd world countries, and don’t have the media exposure you do, so even if they did hold a memorial service in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan you’d never hear about it. Most muslims are asian or central asian. I realize that actual facts are probably pretty hard for you to deal with, seeing as how they might damage your argument somewhat, so I guess I should just suspend all the first hand anecdotal evidence I have from living overseas in predominatly muslim countries for several years because YUO READ IT ON TEH INTERWEBS!!!!

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 9:47 PM

They definitely should not be given access to any sensitive or secure activity if we value our lives and our freedom.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 9:31 PM

We had a Muslim from the State Department running Iraq after Paul Bremmer failed to make satisfactory progress. We have Muslims serving in the military, the Defense Department, and the CIA.

dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 9:49 PM

Does CAIR have radical connections? Sure they do. I would certainly never associate with most of those folks. But is taking CAIR, which is an organization made up of pretty hardline folks, and brushing the entire muslim population of the United states make sense?

I doubt it.

You know, Fred Phelps is a douche, and he protests soldier’s funerals. He’s also a Christian. Ergo, all Christians are soldier-protesting douches. See how your logic doesn’t quite work?

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 9:51 PM

I’m white, blond hair blue eyes, former Marine, have a security clearance, and took part in OIF I.

Also, I’m muslim, converted, and I kindly invite to shut your stupid mouth. You too, MB4.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM

How do you feel about the imposition of sharia law in the U.S.? Can you explain the concept of Taqiyya? I’m not Robert Spenser, who is never around when you need him, but those are just two areas of Islam that disturb me, so can you explain why I shouldn’t be concerned?

DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 9:53 PM

I have heard that Catholics do not read the bible: to them, it is an old text, one which only religious scholars can intemperate. They then rely on those scholars to teach them how to behave. Is this at all accurate?

I am told that Protestants read the bible themselves, and seem to come to their own conclusions about what instructions it gives them.

I must claim ignorance as to the distinction between Evangelicals and Fundamentalists, but it is widely advertised that they try to fit all things they experience into this or that verse of the bible.

Comments?

One last question: what is prayer? The pop culture view is that it is a plea for divine intervention, a humiliating apology (or groveling) to ward off divine punishment, or a bargain of sorts, offering the act in exchange for material benefit. But the impression I get from commenters on this site is that it is more like meditation, an attempt to acquire information on how to view a problem or the emotional state to overcome difficulty.

Count to 10 on October 25, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Count to 10 I am a protestant so I cannot answer for Catholics, but yes we are encouraged to read the bible for ourselves and ensure that the tenants of our religion are being followed.

The question of prayer I imagine has a different answer for almost everybody, but I interpret it as a time to commune with God and ask for forgiveness and guidance.

DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Okay, the lead into Taqiyya and Sharia law.

Taqiyya is a Shiite concept (15% of muslims worldwide) that it is allowable to lie about you faith under threat or compulsion. Most Sunnis consider this to be haram.

As for Sharia law, which is law based on the Q’uran, Hadiths, Ijma, Qiya, and centuries of debate. There’s four main schools: Hanafi, the oldest; Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafii. The Hanafi school is the most widely practiced school of Islamic law. The Wahhabi school of Islamic law is peculiar in that it claims to be the school of “true believers”, and is predominant in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the UAE. It is the youngest school and also the most hardline.

Can you name how many non-arab, predominantly muslim countries currently impose Sharia law?

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 10:09 PM

I have heard that Catholics do not read the bible: to them, it is an old text, one which only religious scholars can intemperate. They then rely on those scholars to teach them how to behave. Is this at all accurate?

No. It is true that the Catholic church teaches that some things should not be interpreted literally. It also teaches that in addition to tradition and the guidance of the Church are important parts of the path to salvation. On a number of specific doctrinal issues, the Church claims infallibility, a claim that is, to be fair, convenient when you apply it to your own proclamations. But there is no rule saying “You can’t interpret anything yourself, ever” and certainly Catholics read the bible.

I think how most religious people view prayer is some combination of what you call the “pop culture” view and the meditation view. Prayer is also one of the most personal parts of religion, so you will probably find a lot of differences between people in the same faith.

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 10:10 PM

flashoverride, dedalus,

Why does Google have to be my friend to find protests of 911 by Muslims? Why wouldn’t it have been blaring from all the MSM media outlets? Very often when they do protest it they do it because they claim that Muslims were not involved.
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I don’t know about other countries. I am referring to the lack of protests here in the good old USA.
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Yes we have Muslims working in the Pentagon such as Hashem Islam who arranged to have Stephen Coughlin fired who was the person most knowledgeable about Muslim extremists.
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All the major Muslim organizations are like CAIR. Name 1 or 2 that aren’t.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Prayer is also one of the most personal parts of religion, so you will probably find a lot of differences between people in the same faith.

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 10:10 PM

Well, that would explain the apparent inconsistency.

Count to 10 on October 25, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Correction: Last post should have said “in addition to the bible, tradition and the guidance of the Church are important parts of the path to salvation.”

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 10:17 PM

I have heard that Catholics do not read the bible: to them, it is an old text, one which only religious scholars can intemperate. They then rely on those scholars to teach them how to behave. Is this at all accurate?

Count to 10 on October 25, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Absolutely false. Catholics do read the Bible. The Catholic interpretaion is outlined in the Cathecism.

FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Can you name how many non-arab, predominantly muslim countries currently impose Sharia law?

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 10:09 PM

I appreciate you taking the time to talk about your religion. I agree that most Asian Muslims aren’t Wahhabi’s but isn’t Wahhabi being exported to many Asian Muslim areas, thanks to oil export money, which is steering those nations to Wahhabi and the imposition of Sharia?

DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM

One last question: what is prayer? The pop culture view is that it is a plea for divine intervention, a humiliating apology (or groveling) to ward off divine punishment, or a bargain of sorts, offering the act in exchange for material benefit. But the impression I get from commenters on this site is that it is more like meditation, an attempt to acquire information on how to view a problem or the emotional state to overcome difficulty.

Count to 10 on October 25, 2008 at 9:59 PM

There are many forms of prayer. But bargaining should never be part of it. It all depends on the individual’s level of spiritual development.

FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Taqiyya is a Shiite concept (15% of muslims worldwide) that it is allowable to lie about you faith under threat or compulsion. Most Sunnis consider this to be haram.
flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 10:09 PM

Interesting. So, the two key issues here is that taqiyya is
a) limited to Shia
b) only with reference to their school of belief under duress.

On b), how far does this go? Can they lie about intentions related to their faith? What constitutes threat or compulsion?

Count to 10 on October 25, 2008 at 10:24 PM

All the major Muslim organizations are like CAIR. Name 1 or 2 that aren’t.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM

There are a lot of individual American Muslims who spend their time focused on succeeding in business or other fields and want to keep religion out of their politics and their workplace. They may be reticent to organize public protests against the extremists, but then a lot of American and Irish Catholics were less than vocal in condemning the IRA for their acts of terror during the twentieth century.

You’d likely need to rewrite the Constitution if you wanted to implement institutional discrimination based on religion.

dedalus on October 25, 2008 at 10:29 PM

DFC, that actually is a pretty good observation, especially since most of the cenhtral asian muslims are living in subsistence conditions. I did not see a lot of it, but our driver started becoming more more hardline after going to a different mosque. One thing that directly conflicts with it though is that most Central Asian states are kleptocracies, and the states still run in the old soviet style. The don’t like competition, so they do tend to go after the Wahhabis – if only for the reason that they are competition to state control. Also, most folks in that area of the world are more interested in surviving than caring much about being hardline. Plenty of pork sausage and vodka in Kyrgyzstan, even though 75% of the country is Hanafi muslim.

As for Count to 10, according to everyone’s favorite media source wikipedia (that’s sarcasm, folks), “According to many Shia, Taqiyyah can only be legally used by a Muslim verbally when he or she is being wrongly persecuted. The situation may be when revealing the truth is more important than saving one’s life. In such a case, one must not conceal the faith and must uphold the truth. When one is guilty and is trying to conceal his or her guilt he is not said to be using taqiyyah, he or she is considered a liar and Taqiyyah isn’t valid in this case. In effect, the practice of al-taqiyyah is a resolution to a given aporia or paradox. Namely, the devotee is forced to choose between on the one hand, the threat or harm of a sacred body (their own, or another’s); and on the other a temporary disavowal of faith, or the sacred word. In either case, a devotee is harmed. Therefore, it is thought that the lesser of two evils is to conceal, while not abandoning one’s faith (the word)”.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 10:32 PM

All the major Muslim organizations are like CAIR. Name 1 or 2 that aren’t.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM

Here is one. I think there are others.

Also, CAIR’s membership dropped by 90% in the years after 9/11, so obviously ordinary Muslims don’t want anything to do with them.

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 10:40 PM

Muslims welcome in the republican party? Of course, it’s a big tent with room for another camel’s nose. In a year or two both the Democrats and the Republicans will be vying for the honor of being the party of Islam.

Like Bush is always saying, Islam is superior to America..or something like that.

BL@KBIRD on October 25, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Dedalus,
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You’d likely need to rewrite the Constitution if you wanted to implement institutional discrimination based on religion.

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This is not discrimination based on religion. It is discrimination based on strong evidence of group with inimical goals towards America that happens to be a religion.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Muslims welcome in the republican party? Of course, it’s a big tent with room for another camel’s nose. In a year or two both the Democrats and the Republicans will be vying for the honor of being the party of Islam.

Wow. Just wow.

And to think I defected to the Republicans from the Libertarians.

See, call me stupid, but I’m an American first. Having lived in several other countries, I am damn glad that my country allows for freedom of expression and worship. Oddly enough, I thought that most Republicans supported that belief. I also am strongly pro-life, as are almost all muslims – another check in the R box. Belief in a strong military and that good fences make good neighbors. Check.

So you’re telling me that because of my beliefs I shouldn’t apply to the party of Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt, and Reagan? Because you don’t hold the same religous beliefs I do, therefore our beliefs on the practical matters of governance are irreconcilable?

You, sir, sound like a Democrat.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 11:04 PM

RINO,

It is true that Zuhdi Jasser appears to be a truly patriotic and loyal American besides being an outstanding personality.
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However, I need more evidence that he is not in the minority. If most Muslims were like him, we would have nothing to worry about.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Why don’t you give give us some examples of Christian extremists, and how the government, and society their efforts?

This thread isn’t here to debate the vagaries of fundamentalism or the comparative merits of Islam and Christianity. Please stay on topic.

Allahpundit on October 25, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Good point. Because that is exactly what the posted video did. It asked the question whether Christianity is compatible with Islam. (Of course they’re not compatible.) But the question is off topic, since we’re not discussing whether churches should be open to Muslims, but whether the Republican party should be open to Muslims.

And as near as I can tell, there are Muslims in both parties. I would dare say that the Republican party is better aligned with Muslims in general, at least in the country, where Islamic extremism is rare.

theregoestheneighborhood on October 25, 2008 at 11:07 PM

FiveWays, I have to say that several good friends of mine are real, heart Christians and Democrats at the same time. They just honestly think more of Jesus’ teachings about caring for the poor than they do about individual salvation; and they think that government is the better administrator of society’s care for the poor than are individual citizens.

As a sister in Christ, I can’t argue with their belief that following Jesus means caring for the poor. The only argument that makes any headway with them is the efficiency argument: $1.00 sent from me to Washington returns to the poor in my state as $0.60. Government really does suck at administering charity! Further, government employees (Pelosi, Reed, Frank, Biden, Obama) end up taking our money to ensure their own power. It’s that simple.

MochaLite on October 25, 2008 at 4:17 PM

Giving to the poor == Christianity

Giving to the government to give to the poor == confusion

theregoestheneighborhood on October 25, 2008 at 11:12 PM

flashoverride

Something I say seem untrue? I’m curious, what brought you to revert to the noble religion of Muhammad? What particularly beautiful aspect drew you back to your true religion?

BL@KBIRD on October 25, 2008 at 11:16 PM

BL@KBIRD

I don’t see how that’s any of your concern, nor germane to the discussion at hand. I also take issue with the smarmy little weasly way you asked the question. Spine up and talk like a grown up.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Flashoverride, you are in the right party – AP pointed out earlier in this thread that if you actually look at the comments, only a handful of people are saying Muslims don’t belong. Unfortunately, they tend to be quite outspoken, magnifying their message out of all proportion.

Please stick with us, the Republican party needs all the conservatives it can hold onto.

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 11:19 PM

RINO,
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The problem with the current Republican party is that it has become so diluted that 2 Liberals (Bush and McCain) are held up as Conservatives. A true Conservative party would not accept all members at all costs unless it was clear that they were loyal to the USA.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 11:24 PM

flashoveride

Of course my Muhammedan friend, my apologies for inquiring about your epiphany. And welcome to HA, you are the first Muslim I have seen here. I look forward to your helping the unenlightened members here who often stumble in trying to understand Islam. Inshullah.

BL@KBIRD on October 25, 2008 at 11:31 PM

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Why should Muslims have a special burden to prove themselves? We don’t ask other people to prove their loyalty – we assume it unless given evidence to the contrary. And such evidence is based on the actions of an individual, not other members of a group.

Since when do Republicans, or conservatives for that matter, advocate evaluating people on the basis of group identity? I thought that was a Democratic and liberal principle.

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Sweet goodness, BL@KBIRD, just go ahead and keep that sarcasm practically oozing through the screen. Let me give you and all the other folks out there pounding this Islam is teh evil! meme a little hint.

Change from ISLAM IS TEH EVIIL!!oneone!!

to WAHHABISM IS TEH EVIIL!!!eleventy!!!

One little word and your arguments gain much more credibility and legitimacy. To somehow assert that because a large percentage of Wahhabis are hardcore tangos ergo all Muslims are hardcore tangos because you haven’t seen any taking to the street lately is a pretty poor argument.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 11:40 PM

RINO,

Why should Muslims have a special burden to prove themselves? We don’t ask other people to prove their loyalty – we assume it unless given evidence to the contrary. And such evidence is based on the actions of an individual, not other members of a group.

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By the logic of this argument, we should invite Al Qaeda members to join the so called Republican party. We shouldn’t put any special burden on them to prove themselves since each individual should be judged on his merits.

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 11:42 PM

I have heard that Catholics do not read the bible: to them, it is an old text, one which only religious scholars can intemperate. They then rely on those scholars to teach them how to behave. Is this at all accurate?

Count to 10 on October 25, 2008 at 9:59 PM

Absolutely false. Catholics do read the Bible. The Catholic interpretaion is outlined in the Cathecism.

FiveWays on October 25, 2008 at 10:18 PM

Not quite so absolutely false. In the past, Catholics were strongly discouraged from reading the Bible, because they might not interpret it correctly. So it at least used to be true that Catholics were told not to read the Bible.

I believe it was Vatican II that changed the Catholic position on this, and now encourages Bible reading. That was back in the 60′s.

So it’s true that Catholics are officially encouraged to read their Bibles now, but that’s a recent change. Several hundred years ago, translating the Bible into English was, shall we say, highly discouraged.

I have no idea of course how many Catholics actually read their Bibles.

theregoestheneighborhood on October 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM

By the logic of this argument, we should invite Al Qaeda members to join the so called Republican party. We shouldn’t put any special burden on them to prove themselves since each individual should be judged on his merits.

So… what are you saying here exactly? Judging a person based on their merits would probably also include their loyalties and allegiances, and as such membership in Al Qaeda would be a decisive factor, because the stated beliefs and goals of that organization are incompatible with not only the Republican party, but the American way of life.

Nice attempted Straw Man, though. However there is one line in your statement that is true –

each individual should be judged on his merits

It’s kind of the American way. You know, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 11:54 PM

FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 11:42 PM

Incorrect. Al Qaeda is a terrorist organization sworn to destroy our country. Therefore, membership implies disloyalty.

Islam is a religion that a third of the world’s population adhere to. Its fundamental purpose is something about submission to Allah, a concept that obviously opens itself to about a billion different interpretations, just like Christianity does. Most of those interpretations are benign, as has been repeatedly pointed out here and other places.

Obviously you can be judged by specific beliefs that you adhere to and act upon, and membership of a group like Al Qaeda entails specific beliefs and actions that are clearly incompatible with being a loyal American.

RINO in Name Only on October 25, 2008 at 11:55 PM

flashoverride

Wahhabists are nurtured and fed by the royal family of Saudi Arabia and they are spreading their influence rather quickly through out the ummah. Of course not all Mohammedans are active Jihadists just like every American citizen is not not necessarily a Marine. But all Muhammedans carry the burden of supremacy over the unbeliever and the task of aiding in “making all religion for Allah”. When you pay your zagat this year, you know a portion goes to Jihad. Maybe your one of those unicorn moderate Mohammedans but your Mohammedan grandchildren may be grist for teh evil Wahhabits.

BL@KBIRD on October 25, 2008 at 11:59 PM

I’m white, blond hair blue eyes, former Marine, have a security clearance, and took part in OIF I.

Also, I’m muslim, converted, and I kindly invite to shut your stupid mouth. You too, MB4.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM

In honor of the first amendment and all of Islam’s victims your invitation is categorically rejected.

Mohammad, the murdering, torturing, lying, raping pedophile, may piss be upon him.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:01 AM

flashoverride,

…and as such membership in Al Qaeda would be a decisive factor, because the stated beliefs and goals of that organization are incompatible with not only the Republican party, but the American way of life.

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I would make a modification to your statement in that I wouldn’t require that the hostile beliefs and goals be stated but they can be obvious by the weight of evidence. This would include radical statements by leaders of the main organizations of these groups, the lack of condemnation for acts against the US and by doctrines in their main book of belief as pointed out by Robert Spencer.

FactsofLife on October 26, 2008 at 12:03 AM

DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 9:26 PM
FactsofLife on October 25, 2008 at 9:31 PM

I’m not saying there aren’t extremist. I’m saying there are Americanized muslins here. Muslims who have been in this country 15, 20, 30 years and more who don’t want to be Jihadist! All these guys I’m working with have been in the US at least 20 years. I saw their resumes! They are conservatives. I hope we don’t make assumptions that hurt them and push them to the dark side…

CCRWM on October 26, 2008 at 12:05 AM

Hey MB4! Good to see ya! Also quite happy to know that the only people who have ever, EVER, ravaged women and children were muslims.

Except maybe not. Pretty sure folks were busy slaughtering women and kids before there even was an Islam. Nice try though!

flashoverride on October 26, 2008 at 12:07 AM

I know a few posters here might be happy with this news. I’m sickened. The judge dismissed the case against Obama, DNC & FEC:

Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 10/25/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that he is immediately appealing the dismissal of his case to the United States Supreme Court. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

This is a question of who has standing to uphold our Constitution. If I don’t have standing, if you don’t have standing, if your neighbor doesn’t have standing to question the eligibility of an individual to be President of the United States – the Commander-in-Chief, the most powerful person in the world – then who does?

So, anyone can just claim to be eligible for congress or the presidency without having their legal status, age or citizenship questioned.

According to Judge Surrick, we the people have no right to police the eligibility requirements under the U.S. Constitution.

Our website obamacrimes.com now has 71.8 + million hits. We are urging all to spread the word of our website – and forward to your local newspapers and radio and TV stations.

Berg again stressed his position regarding the urgency of this case as, “we” the people, are heading to a “Constitutional Crisis” if this case is not resolved forthwith.

NightmareOnKStreet on October 26, 2008 at 12:08 AM

I would make a modification to your statement in that I wouldn’t require that the hostile beliefs and goals be stated but they can be obvious by the weight of evidence. This would include radical statements by leaders of the main organizations of these groups, the lack of condemnation for acts against the US and by doctrines in their main book of belief as pointed out by Robert Spencer.

Ummm…. what?

flashoverride on October 26, 2008 at 12:08 AM

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 9:42 PM

Oh btw, flapjaw, Winston also sends his regards.

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

So does Mark.

Mosques are plenty, graveyards are plenty, but
morals and whiskey are scarce. The Koran does not permit Mohammedans to drink. Their natural instincts do not permit them to be moral.

When I, a thoughtful and unblessed Presbyterian, examine the Koran, I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane, not in all things, but in religious matters. I cannot prove to him that he is insane, because you never can prove anything to a lunatic — for that is a part of his insanity and the evidence of it.

So does Pope Urban II.

I, or rather the Lord, beseech you as Christ’s heralds to publish this everywhere and to persuade all people of whatever rank, foot-soldiers and knights, poor and rich, to carry aid promptly to those Christians and to destroy that vile race from the lands of our friends. I say this to those who are present, it is meant also for those who are absent. Moreover, Christ commands it.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:10 AM

Hey MB4! Good to see ya! Also quite happy to know that the only people who have ever, EVER, ravaged women and children were muslims.

Except maybe not. Pretty sure folks were busy slaughtering women and kids before there even was an Islam. Nice try though!

flashoverride on October 26, 2008 at 12:07 AM

You thinking is uncoordinated and your point extraneous. Bad try flapjaw.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM

I can’t believe we don’t have the right to ask for the same document that one needs to produce to get into Little League before becoming POTUS. So who’s going to run next, Soros himself?
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So many sad things happened in the family this weekend: a miscarriage, a rollover car accident and a dog bite on the face. It feels so unreal. Drano cocktail with a twist please.

NightmareOnKStreet on October 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM

I’m glad I read the rest of the comments and saw that there are only two people who are prejudiced against muslims. It is a big tent and we do have room for all types of conservatives in the Republican party. I’m glad to see that others feel te same way!

CCRWM on October 26, 2008 at 12:15 AM

Mohammad’s teachings (just a few):

2:10 Disbelievers are diseased.
2:99 Disbelievers are evil people.
2:104 For disbelievers is a painful doom.
2:171 Disbelievers are deaf, dumb, and blind.
3:28 Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference of believers.
3:73 Don’t believe anyone who is not a Muslim.
3:48 Don’t be friends with non-Muslims. They all hate you and want to ruin you.
4:89 Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them.
4:63 Oppose those who refuse to follow Muhammad.
4:101The disbelievers are an open enemy to you.
4:144 Do not choose disbelievers as friends.
5:51 Don’t take Jews or Christians for friends. If you do, then Allah will consider you to be one of them.
5:51 Jews and Christians are losers.
5:60 Allah turned unbelievers into apes and swine.
5:59 Jews and Christians are evil people.
9:5 Slay the disbelievers wherever you find them.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Wahhabists are nurtured and fed by the royal family of Saudi Arabia

True

and they are spreading their influence rather quickly through out the ummah.

Questionable as to the speed, but yes they are trying to spread

Of course not all Mohammedans are active Jihadists just like every American citizen is not not necessarily a Marine. But all Muhammedans carry the burden of supremacy over the unbeliever and the task of aiding in “making all religion for Allah”.

Citation, please?

When you pay your zagat this year, you know a portion goes to Jihad.

Wrrong. Zakat is paid directly to the poor. Unless you are insinutaing that my extended family is a bunch of Jihaidists, this is a false statement.

Maybe your one of those unicorn moderate Mohammedans but your Mohammedan grandchildren may be grist for teh evil Wahhabits.

You sure don’t like the word Muslim, do you? It is Arabic, and the actual word for a follower of Islam. As for the unicorn bit, you act as though there aren’t any non-wahhabi muslims. Well, I’m one, so that invalidates your statement. I have several co-workers who are also muslim and are not, as far as I know, plotting the immediate overthrow of the US government. Overthrowing a few cell sites, maybe, but just to throw the field techs some work. My extended family on my wife’s side – all muslim – are also some of those “unicorn moderate Mohammedans”, and they all speak russian, drink more than I do, and are vastly more worried about surviving anothe Kyrgyz winter than they are about the global jihad for the Caliphate (that last bit was sarcasm).

flashoverride on October 26, 2008 at 12:20 AM

NightmareOnKStreet on October 26, 2008 at 12:13 AM

The fact tht Obama won’t produce his birth certificate is starting to get discussed in a lot of blogs. Newsmax has an article out today where they discuss this and link the certificate O says is real and they link to a real certificate of Hawaii in 1961 (big difference). It is working against O to not produce it. It is just so obvious that you don’t fight all the way to the Supreme Court producing a document you have. It is starting to look really bad for him. Either that or he is an idiot…

CCRWM on October 26, 2008 at 12:22 AM

Being a conservative in America traditionally has meant that one holds a deep, abiding respect for the Constitution. We conservatives believe sincerely in the integrity of the Constitution. We treasure the freedoms that document protects. By maintaining the separation of church and state, the United States has avoided the intolerance which has so divided the rest of the world with religious wars. Can any of us refute the wisdom of Madison and the other framers?
- Barry Goldwater

Try to think of two documents that are more antithetical to each other than the U.S. Constitution and the Koran.

Try to think of individuals who were more antithetical to each other than the founding fathers of the United States of America and the founding father of Islam.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:22 AM

CCRWM,
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You are right. I am always prejudiced against those that have proven themselves to be my enemies. I am not blinded by the casual racist or bigot canard like some other multiculturalists here might be.
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First of all, there are more than 2 people here against a clear and present danger. In any case, only 2 are writing this late but many others agree.

FactsofLife on October 26, 2008 at 12:23 AM

prejudiced against Muslims

No it is Islam that is the problem, Mohammedans are the first victims of Islam. They have to jump its hoops and provide blood feasts for Allah (often their own). This is not about skin tone, this is about ideology.

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 12:26 AM

So where are all the attacks then? what are they waiting for? You don’t like muslims that is your perogative. I know many and I like those I know and that is my perogative.

CCRWM on October 26, 2008 at 12:26 AM

Moderate Unicorns

In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.

Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of unicorn searching.

Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammad, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammad himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”

Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.

Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses (JihadWatch)

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:26 AM

pup tent

The Race Card on October 26, 2008 at 12:28 AM

The big tent is the hard-on many nationalistic, exclusive conservatives pitch for deriding other cultures, religions and life choices as “immoral” or otherwise sub-par.

The big tent is home to all the perfect people.

The Race Card on October 26, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Here was the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.
- Winston Churchill (Equating Adolf Hiler’s “Mein Kampf” to Mohammad’s Koran in his book the “The Gathering Storm”)

Hitler and Nazism – Mohammad and Islam – same evil show just under a different tent.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 12:33 AM

Allah hates you this I know
For the Koran tells me so
Infidels Christians and Jews we bomb
They are weak but we are strong

Yes Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you,
The Koran tells me so.

Allah hates you, you will die
Blow your ass up to the sky
Say the salat, chop off head,
Eat falafel, go to bed.

Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you! Yes, Allah hates you!

The Koran tells me so.

Aleph on October 26, 2008 at 12:35 AM

But the jackanapes are always runnin’ round in some disguise
Why they are defending Islam, the devil only knows
It’s unfortunate to note their insanity just grows and grows

Tav on October 26, 2008 at 12:39 AM

You are right. I am always prejudiced against those that have proven themselves to be my enemies. I am not blinded by the casual racist or bigot canard like some other multiculturalists here might be.

FactsofLife on October 26, 2008 at 12:23 AM

This is unfair to all of the Muslims that are not your enemies. How would you like to be tarred with the beliefs of a bunch of idiots you have no control over?

Were the Afghans that fouht on our side against the Taliban our enemies? Are the Iraqis who have fought against extremists, at great personal risk to themselves, enemies? Are the 90% of CAIR’s membership that abandoned them post 9/11 enemies?

What about the Muslim sects that have nothing to do with the Wahhabis, that flashoverride mentioned earlier? Why are they enemies?

RINO in Name Only on October 26, 2008 at 12:43 AM

flashoverride

You want a citation for one of the basic tenets of the Qu’ran?

Please, what is next ? Taqqiya? You already pulled tuquoque with MB4 with the women and children crap.

I’m sure you give to Muslim charities don’t you? Where does that go?

Do you refer to my use of Mohammedan rather than Muslim? Would you prefer slave of Allah?

I don’t believe I said you were a wahhabist. Surely you will tell us what sect you are involved in. If your a gentle Ahmadiyya or a sleepy Sufi, I apologize for pulling at the straps of your chosen straight jacket.

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 12:48 AM

Ah, about time The Rape Card showed up.

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 12:54 AM

I am urging all Zionist and Christen forces who are working against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah to shut their mouths immediately.

Otherwise, we will hold them responsible for their anti-Islamic words. Any attempt to defy the Islamic Holy forces of Allah is pointless. We are committed to putting all of the world under our jurisdiction.

You cannot speak out against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah. Any group that speaks against the Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will be destroyed. The Islamic Holy Forces of Allah will overcome the Zionist and Christen infidels and their Hotair stooges.

Allah willing.

Aleph on October 26, 2008 at 12:58 AM

The big tent is the hard-on many nationalistic, exclusive conservatives pitch

The Race Card on October 26, 2008 at 12:31 AM

Nationalistic and exclusive? Now that would be a neat trick.

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 1:01 AM

flashoveride

There is hope for you, Seventy five percent of Muslim reverts in the US leave Islam in a few years.

Here is a citation for it if you like…
http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/Muslims_Leaving_Islam#New_Muslim_Converts_Leave_Islam_within_a_Few_Years

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:09 AM

CCRWM 12:26

Here are enough attacks to keep Allah fed and answer your question.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:15 AM

CCRWM on October 26, 2008 at 12:22 AM

Thanks for the links and the hope that it is at least getting some traction. Attorney Berg did a full hour with Savage and he is very logical & convincing but without trying to convince anyone.

NightmareOnKStreet on October 26, 2008 at 1:17 AM

Not quite so absolutely false. In the past, Catholics were strongly discouraged from reading the Bible, because they might not interpret it correctly. So it at least used to be true that Catholics were told not to read the Bible.

I believe it was Vatican II that changed the Catholic position on this, and now encourages Bible reading. That was back in the 60’s.

So it’s true that Catholics are officially encouraged to read their Bibles now, but that’s a recent change. Several hundred years ago, translating the Bible into English was, shall we say, highly discouraged.

I have no idea of course how many Catholics actually read their Bibles.

theregoestheneighborhood on October 25, 2008 at 11:49 PM

ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

Vatican II concluded in 1966; my family still has my great grandmothers Catholic Bible printed in 1916. And it has been well worn.

Some of the Saints during The Middle Ages never read the Bible, because they couldn’t read. Illiteracy was the main point of the stain glass windows and the statuary; to teach the lessons of the Bible in visual terms.

“Ignorance of the Scriptures is ignorance of Christ.” – - St. Jerome quoted from the 4th century.

FiveWays on October 26, 2008 at 1:32 AM

Here are enough attacks to keep Allah fed and answer your question.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:15 AM

And we are just getting warmed up, Infidel, Allah willing.

Aleph on October 26, 2008 at 1:38 AM

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:15 AM

“Interesting” excerpt:

Hate Speech?

(Not According to CAIR)

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Hate speech? Incitement to violence? Sounds like it to us, but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Muslims not consider this to be hate speech? How is it that we can post these quotes with full certainty that CAIR won’t be contacting the media (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?

Well, for one thing, we don’t actually agree with any of these disgusting statements, of course. But the real reason is that Muslims themselves honestly believe these quotes to be the literal, eternal word of Allah. In fact, CAIR is promoting this hate speech on their own website! It is actively propagating the very literature that contains these comments, even while sanctimoniously claiming that it is working against hate and violence.

But… isn’t CAIR a Muslim organization? What’s the catch?

Well, if you haven’t guessed it already, these are quotes from the Qur’an in which we’ve replaced the word ‘Christian’, ‘Jew’ or ‘unbeliever’ with the word ‘Muslim.’

MB4 on October 26, 2008 at 1:44 AM

Aleph

You got that straight. You guys are way better than Karl Rove.

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 1:46 AM

a little hint.

Change from ISLAM IS TEH EVIIL!!oneone!!

to WAHHABISM IS TEH EVIIL!!!eleventy!!!

One little word and your arguments gain much more credibility and legitimacy. To somehow assert that because a large percentage of Wahhabis are hardcore tangos ergo all Muslims are hardcore tangos because you haven’t seen any taking to the street lately is a pretty poor argument.

flashoverride on October 25, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I’m sorry about getting back so late, but hopefully you will check this thread again. At my current level of understanding I can agree with your statement. We cannot morally destroy Islam so we have to find some way to work to secularize it. I think your experience makes an excellent counter weight for HA and I hope you continue to post.

DFCtomm on October 26, 2008 at 2:57 AM

FWIW here’s my take on Muslims and “the Party”: if they are not bothering me, than I don’t have a problem with a Muslim, aetheist, Jew, or damn near anyone else sharing the Republican party with me. Or running for any office (including the Presidency) for that matter.

Why don’t more Muslims “protest” acts of terror? Hmmm I’ll give you my Uncle’s answer on that. Just FYI the man is a Lebanese-born Muslim and was naturalized a U.S. citizen shortly before my birth (1986).

Now then his answer: “Why the hell should I have to distance myself from a bunch of cave-dwelling murdering retards so deluded by someone that they think that blowing themselves (and others) up a.) is any part of Islam or b.) will somehow ensure an eternal reward? Please tell me this…and don’t ever ask me such an insulting question again dammit!”

I bear that in mind when I read of those asking Muslims to denounce the actions of their “fellow Muslims”. Its kinda hard to denounce those that you believe are so fallen that they no longer represent your faith. Also, it then (in some people’s minds including my uncle) legitimizes them as “real Muslims” when the smart ones see them as nutjobs.

I like the association of Westboro Baptist as someone put above….I feel no need to denounce them because in my view (and that of most other rational Christians) they AREN’T Christians! Capishe?

Also flash, thanks for your service Marine. Inshallah you will be safe this tour.

SgtSVJones on October 26, 2008 at 5:27 AM

What I find distorted is that last comment by that guy.

Conservatism has not and has never been a religious centric direction.
It is and always has been an ideology. It has never been selective nor has it been exclusive.

Its guiding principals have been written in the documents of our founding fathers. Let us not forget why the first immigrants arrived on the shores of this great land. Religious Freedom.

I suspect the first humans to arrived here in the America’s before all else had something similar in mind. All are entitled to the same freedoms under the Constitution of the United States, as all are bound by its laws and regulations.

Kini on October 26, 2008 at 6:01 AM

The answer to this entire issue is difficult. If we are to believe in freedom of religion then we cannot discriminate against Muslims as such. That is a wrong-headed approach that smacks of the methods used against Joe the Plumber. I have no desire to support a party that cannot stand up for its own ideals.

We need to differentiate between law abiding Muslims that love America, and those that wish to hurt us. This will not be an easy task. Unfortunately much of the Holy Quran speaks of forcible conversion and dishonesty with infidels. This has been used by radical imams to gain power and influence, even here in America.

Unfortunately, Islam is not the only religion to use God as a means to gain influence and power. The Christian church mired Europe in the dark-ages because of their quest for power. The biggest problem is that weaponry is more deadly today and the reformation process of Islam is some six hundred years behind that of Christianity because it was founded later. This leads to some pretty ugly things happening.

Ultimately, the only people that are capable of reforming Islam without massive bloodshed, are the Muslims themselves. They will have to decide what kind of world they wish to live in. Will it be engulfed in war and strife created by the efforts to create a new caliphate? Or will it belong to enlightenment by allowing free exchange of ideas?

I argue that if Islam cannot win the hearts and minds of people without resorting to violence then it cannot be the truth of God. For God would make his truth apparent without the need to resort to force.

God would also understand that love and honor cannot be forced, and would value free-will. The modern Muslim faith must recognize that jihad is not a battle of weapons and death. It is a battle of words and ideas. If the proponents of Islam cannot win on these terms, they have no basis to lay claim as a means to truth.

Hawthorne on October 26, 2008 at 10:30 AM

Sure. Your religion is okay. It’s just not as good as mine because yours won’t deliver you to salvation like mine will. Herein lies the problem.

Conservative does NOT mean “Bible believer” as the mind numbed robot in the video proclaims. This statement by the man in the video really chaps my ass. Sorry to be so blunt but this ignorant belief that has been adopted by some Christian religious people is false. It gives anyone that isn’t a Christian the idea that they can’t be a conservative because they’re not a Christian.

And yes, Liberals do use this against us and are able to call us the party of exclusion because of dolts like this one. The media promotes this nationally and it screws us at election time.

watson007 on October 26, 2008 at 11:12 AM

It’s real simple. If you are a muslim who believes in the Constitution and seeks to assimilate to the unique American culture, then welcome. If you are a muslim who seeks to convert through be-heading, convert through sharia, seeks to destroy Israel and the West, then I’ll see you in hell…

ritethinker on October 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM

Oh, joy – the one who hates all Arabs and Muslims is back.

Reality: There are millions of Arab- and Muslim-Americans in this country. You cannot run a serious national campaign without including them. Some one’s third cousin or dry-cleaner’s fiancee is always going to have been involved in some shady business. Most of us are adult enough to deal with this.

corona on October 26, 2008 at 5:48 PM

Unfortunately much of the Holy Quran speaks of forcible conversion and dishonesty with infidels. This has been used by radical imams to gain power and influence, even here in America.

Umm, No?

Sur 2:256, “There shall be no compulsion in religion: the right way is now distinct from the wrong way. Anyone who denounces the devil and believes in Allah has grasped the strongest bond; one that never breaks. Allah is Hearer, Omniscient. ”

That dishonsety with “infidels” is the Taqiyya thing again, and I don’t that word means what you think it means. What’s funny is that Jews, Christians, and even Zoroastrians are considered people of the book.

Stop taking all of this nonsense at face value. Google exists, and the text is out there. Read the book for yourself, learn some history, and come up with your own judgement.

God would also understand that love and honor cannot be forced, and would value free-will. The modern Muslim faith must recognize that jihad is not a battle of weapons and death. It is a battle of words and ideas. If the proponents of Islam cannot win on these terms, they have no basis to lay claim as a means to truth.

What’s odd here is you have actually come to almost the exact meaning of jihad. I would suggest reading up on the subject by authors other than Robert Spencer… just google meaning of jihad.

flashoverride on October 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM

2:193 “and fight them until persecution is no more and religion is for Allah”

flashoverride, as your handing out Islamic chestnuts I thought I’d give the source you asked for last night.

Now here comes the part where you say I’m taking it out of context. And when I show you it isn’t , you will switch to the idea of Arabic being to complex for English translation etc. etc.

I should not be too hard on you since it appears you reverted for love and to let your brides relatives sleep at night knowing the groom was not a najis kaffir.

Now if your here to tout or defend Islam fine, I look forward to taking your arguments to pieces. I don’t usually enjoy talking Islam, it’s like analyzing feces. But I won’t let you spread lies.

Whats the next chestnut? “if someone kills someone it is as though the whole world was murdered”?

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 8:21 PM

flashoveride

I assume your alluding to the big Jihad, the struggle in the dark soul of every Mohammedan to remain loyal to darkness. I want to hear you talk about the little Jihad, you know, the robbery, raping ,enslavement and murder of unbelievers.

BL@KBIRD on October 26, 2008 at 8:37 PM

Just my two cents, here. I have a Muslim girl in my Girl Scout troop and I would classify her family as moderate (little mosque attendance, western clothing, women educated and equal). Sarah and her mom were surprised and pleased to learn that most Christians are anti-abortion and against gay marriage, just as most Muslims are. However, the parents are staunch Dems because they view the Republicans as pro-Israel and they despise Israel and Jews. The parents were both born and raised in Kuwait and are imbued with the pervasive anti-semitism of that culture. Needless to say, they are voting for The One.

inmypajamas on October 26, 2008 at 11:48 PM

Yay, Sarah Palin! I would like her to speak more on this point.

craig on October 27, 2008 at 11:37 AM

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