Quote of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on October 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
“Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not one of those people who think the media has been too hard on, say, Gov. Palin, by rushing reportorial SWAT teams to Alaska to rifle through her garbage. This is the Big Leagues, and if she wants to suit up and take the field, then Gov. Palin better be ready to play. The few instances where I think the press has gone too far – such as the Times reporter talking to Cindy McCain’s daughter’s MySpace friends – can easily be solved with a few newsroom smackdowns and temporary repostings to the Omaha Bureau.
No, what I object to (and I think most other Americans do as well) is the lack of equivalent hardball coverage of the other side – or worse, actively serving as attack dogs for Senators Obama and Biden. If the current polls are correct, we are about to elect as President of the United States a man who is essentially a cipher, who has left almost no paper trail, seems to have few friends (that at least will talk) and has entire years missing out of his biography. That isn’t Sen. Obama’s fault: his job is to put his best face forward. No, it is the traditional media’s fault, for it alone (unlike the alternative media) has had the resources to cover this story properly, and has systematically refused to do so.”
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What I am suggesting, Salty, is for the faint of heart to pull up the britches and not be afraid to give Uncle Sugar the finger.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Revolution?
No.
Affirmation.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 12:40 AM
It is not a good thing. But i would submit that if the conservatives (assuming they ever realize the moderates are not their blood enemies) want to change the paradigm about the MSM a couple of things should happen:
1. Start a movement in which sponsors of television news are boycotted – heck maybe take it a step further and stop watching tv altogether
2. As for talk radio the satellites channels are not regulated. Start using those. As the traditional radio stations begin losing revenue and listeners – they may put pressure on congress to back off fairness doctrine fantasies
3. Organize in the internet to accomplish more than a bunch of freaking echo chambers. How about an objective site that helps people read their pay stub to determine percentage of tax, ssn, medicare etc that are paid now for the purposes of comparing it to their pay stub each year. Or a site that helps the get out the vote effort far ahead of projected elections.
Let’s be honest – the problem is not so much the media bias. It is the lack of innovation among the people who feel it is unfair to effectively counterbalance it through the tools at their disposal.
And not once did I need to pick up my Mac 10 to make a point now did I?
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 12:40 AM
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:37 AM
Got it.
I hear an Indian shot an arrow at your finger and it fell to the ground.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 12:41 AM
That’s what every gun is to you, isn’t it? A Mac 10?
Plus, pistols always carry 100 rounds in them so they can be continuously fired without reloading.
And guns that fall to the floor always “go off”.
And assault rifles are the scourge of the streets.
And every minute of every day, a horrible tragedy occurs when some kid blows his friend’s head off when they find dad’s gun on his dresser, loaded with the safety off.
Ah, it’s so much fun to live in the movies, isn’t it?
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 12:43 AM
If we lose, (and that is NOT what I think will happen, but if we do…) FIGHT. Start with your city counsil, then your mayor. FIGHT. Work to elect people who are as sick and tired of this fucking game (a word I NEVAH use). We built this country to do right. I refuse to stand with anyone who won’t stand up for what they believe in.
A simple example…..How many HA warriors refuse to put up a McCain sign because they are AFRAID their property will be harmed? More then a few, I bet. Way more then a few.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:44 AM
The left will have three plus one branches of government at their disposal, and the press has largely already transformed itself into a propaganda arm in their efforts to establish ideological dominance in the other three.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 12:45 AM
uh how is that hoax working out. Please don’t throw your calculator at me.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 12:47 AM
Good ideas, all. But in order to incite righteous indignation about taxation, pay stubs percentages and the like, don’t ALL Americans need to have a skin in the game? We’re at about 33% non-taxpayer and will rise to 50+ under Obama. Then, where will the intellectual uprising come from?
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 12:48 AM
I was intimidated at first, I’ll admit. I have small children that I need to protect.
But, it’s not like me to back down. After days of AGONIZING over my decision, I put up a sign.
After two days of sitting on the toilet to pee, it feels great to stand up and be a man again.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 12:49 AM
Democrats:
Caused and refused to repair Fannie and Freddie then accused Bush and McCain for the crisis.
Want to raise taxes in a recession.
Support NOW yet allow its politicians to rape, abuse and demean women.
Scream for the removal of a not-illegal sleazy republican congressman yet ignore the illegal sleazy actions of a democrat one.
Promote illegal fundraising.
Hate the employers by pandering to the employees.
Call one man’s terrorist another man’s freedom fighter.
Believe freedom of speech only applies to their own voice.
I am pissed, I am fighting mad and for the first time in my life…I am not proud of my country.
jawbone on October 25, 2008 at 12:51 AM
When the 49% you are speaking of don’t play the game. When the Fed printing presses turn red hot from printing faster then they were designed for.
If the DEMs want to Tax Stamp us into the dirt then let them try. You don’t have to do it illegally. If we know the Dems, and boy-o-boy do we know them, there will be more loop holes and gimmicks then you can shake a stick at. USE IT. USE THAT STICK AGAINST THEM.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:52 AM
The problem is the failing of the press. The solution may well arise in the manner you describe, but innovation is not the problem. Allow me an example – if I give my driveway repaved and they do a horrible job, that’s the problem. They are the ones with the contacts and the tools and they do it professionally. As a solution, maybe I crack up the old, study how to do it, and pour one myself, but that doesn’t excuse the paving company. Especially in our society now, where it is so much specialization.
The media specializes in news. The problem is the bias.
Spirit of 1776 on October 25, 2008 at 12:52 AM
You do have to admit though, having the Obama campaign sending letters threatening to pursue the broadcasting licenses of television stations that played NRA ads is pretty damned chilling.
It is not a good thing.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 12:40 AM
How about coming right out and saying that it’s a horrible, unthinkable thing?
As for all your ideas, the problem that conservatives face is that we are vastly outnumbered in the field of “education” (indoctrination) and in “community organizing”, and if Obama wins, we aren’t likely to play catch up anytime soon, particularly since they will be in charge of funding.
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 12:52 AM
Have you been attacked yet, had an ‘O’ or a ‘B’ engraved on your face?
trailboss on October 25, 2008 at 12:53 AM
All taxpayers pay social security right now as well as medicaid, etc.
Indignation is not really necessary. Educate and motivate – learn how to see the changes and know how to contact your rep/senator.
Like I said innovation/creativity is lacking on the GOP side. There are people far smarter than me who could begin those kind of efforts. If millions of people simply quite watching tv with the demand that news would be objective or no one would come back what do you think the corporate sponsors paying for the commercials would do?
Or we could all complain in internet threads which do absolutely nothing.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Saltysam Pees with the warriors!!
I have to admit that when I left my comfort zone in Hanover County Virginia to travel into the enemy territory of Mass, to steal their food (aka striper fishing on Cape Cod) I was a bit nervous about my stickers. McCain. Drill Here Drill Now, etc.
No problem. Matter of fact, people came up to me to ask where they could get stickers of their own.
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 12:54 AM
Well there are these internet threads to vent at….
As for the education angle if you choose to abrogate your duties as a parent in teaching your children critical thinking skills the education system is the least of your worries.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 12:56 AM
Do you know hard it is to find one that says Palin on top? I kid.
I was curious to find what the reaction would be when I put a sign up. I was pleasantly surprised, my neighbor put one up 2-3 days later and a few people (teens mostly) struck up conversations with me about politics. Again, I was surprised pleasantly.
Spirit of 1776 on October 25, 2008 at 12:56 AM
And endless complaining about it has solved nothing. With the internet and satellite radio there are alternatives. Organizing is not nearly as difficult as it was 20 years ago.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM
There isn’t a key mark, or rotten egg stain on it. It went up in ’04 and still gets a thumbs up and never a middel finger…why? I’ll tell you Y…..because the bastards are chicken.
http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s87/Limerick_share/F150.jpg
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM
Bradky gets nearly everything wrong again
You don’t know what ‘paradigm’ means: you meant ‘image’: if you reach beyond your ability, you looked even dimmer
saying that conservatives thing that moderates are their ‘blood enemies’ is a lame cliche’: to the extent it makes any sense, it’s wrong
heck, maybe come up with some more extreme–and useless–suggestions that no one takes seriously
To the extent that this makes any sense at all, it accepts the premise that it’s OKAY to shut down talk radio. You sound like a Weimar Republic Social Democrat, circa 1930
the Bradky Beat goes on….. “Organize the internet”? How, genius? NO ONE could possibly do any such thing, and even you know that. And of course, you toss in your trademark gratuitious insult of Hotair and others as ‘echo chambers’–because any blog which does not peddle leftist crap ( and / or hate ) is an ‘echo chamber’
Try using credible sources to support your views rather than patching together a series of superficial and unsound arguments
Janos Hunyadi on October 25, 2008 at 12:59 AM
Someone a few days ago suggested that soon we will need some sort of signal to recognize each other (like the fish symbol or cross in the sand a la McCain). I was talking with another mom at my kids’ school about books a while back. She asked what I was reading, and I hemmed and hawed before admitting it was McCain’s memoir. I was terrified at the reaction, but she seemed interested and mentioned that she was intimidated by the number of Obama stickers on the parking lot.
We shouldn’t have to treat our beliefs like porn hidden in brown paper bags.
Laura in Maryland on October 25, 2008 at 1:01 AM
Ah yes my old pal Janos – never an original idea in his life only snark and criticism of others.
Obviously you are not one of the innovators who could accomplish some of those things. No fears there are always the echo chambers and anonymous comments at Kos for your pleasure.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:02 AM
First, social security tax is not negotiable, unfortunately.
Second, you don’t need to confine your dissatisfaction to blogs. Letters to the editor are frequently published, which reach outside of this venue. The snarkier they are, the more likely they’re published. Personally, when my home phone rings with hate filled voice mails, the more it pleases me.
I don’t think innovation is the problem with the GOP as much as taking control of the nominating process. Only Republicans vote in Republican primaries. Limit the field in debates through a process after round one so that you don’t have 10 dopes on stage. Get conservatives to moderate the interparty debates. Screw the tanning bed media. The idea is to get FOCUS on the key principles and then hammer. hammmer, hammer those ideas home to the public. THIS. Is what we stand for.
Of course, I also think that those on the dole for extended periods of time should not be able to vote for their own largess.
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:02 AM
I want a “Question the Media” bumper sticker.
Seriously, there has got to be a way to restore to us citizens the task of choosing elected officials.
SheofTwoMinds on October 25, 2008 at 1:03 AM
Hardly, it’s far more likely that your paranoid visions of an American Fascisti is a dream, a nightmare, an echo-chamber echo rumbling down the corridors of a fevered mind.
You ought to get away from Hot Air and the like once in while and let your soul heal.
trailboss on October 25, 2008 at 1:04 AM
trailboss on October 25, 2008 at 12:53 AM
Nothing to me yet, but in my area there has been property damage, physical intimidation, fires started, and signs stolen.
The truth is, there is intimidation directed toward people that openly show support for McCain. Not just in my area. People have been complaining about this type of stuff around the country.
Oh, and I suppose that since some mentally ill woman is in the news currently, then these stories are now a;; illegitimate.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:04 AM
What’s more, indoctrination is antithetical to conservatism. We’d have to figure out a way to indoctrinate people to think for themselves, which would be rather ironic, although perhaps possible. That’s what the left has done in a manner of speaking, but their idea of free-thinking, also requiring conformity, is a falsity.
But the other problem is that leftists already control the educational infrastructure, so it will also be very difficult to make any inroads there for that reason.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Repent?
Hardly. I left better men then you in the jungle.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 1:05 AM
You miss the point about social security. If the latest plan to force workers to pay 5% of their income into a “government 401K” your effective rate will be 12%.
Obama has been successful because he used the tools available very well. Innovation is needed in my opinion. You don’t agree that’s okay.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:05 AM
Well, I don’t think it’s ever been this bad. Whether it has or not, the polls on the media indicate an awakening to the problem.
Which is not meant to dispute your point. Organization, alternative streams, etc, all valid.
Spirit of 1776 on October 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM
That was worthwhile!
SheofTwoMinds on October 25, 2008 at 1:06 AM
Let your freak flag fly, Laura. MD is one screwed up state, but perhaps the stalinists have once again over played their hands. Love Michael Steele, btw.
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:07 AM
That would be nice.
Spirit of 1776 on October 25, 2008 at 1:09 AM
.
this is gibberish: without specifics and / or examples, it has NO meaning
finally, a perceptive Insight appears……
again, useless Fantasy from someone unable to argue coherently
false, and unfair: Most of the comments here are not complaints, and a lot of influential people are clearly influenced by blogs like this one
Janos Hunyadi on October 25, 2008 at 1:09 AM
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:58 AM
I have sign envy.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:11 AM
Oh Janos Janos Janos — your puppy dog like attention to me is cute but really my friend you need to get out more or at least read a book once in awhile.
You offer no ideas nor do you advance any discussion. Kind of like the 3 year old that likes to jump in the middle of the adults and fart for attention.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:12 AM
Nah, Salty. We are all on a team. Pounding my chest doesn’t make me right, it just makes me loud.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 1:12 AM
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:13 AM
Do you mind if I call you “Schmuck”? Believe me, I have not abrogated my duties and my child is remarkably well-informed and possessed of critical thinking skills.
It’s not my child that’s the problem. There are millions of children whose parents are clueless, who are going off to places like Northwestern, the University of Illinois, and Columbia, where they will have Professors Dohrn, Ayers, and Khalidi as their mentors.
Our colleges have been infiltrated and they are overwhelmingly run by leftists who have installed a Hate America First curriculum.
Boycotting corporations won’t change that. Stopping alumnae contributions would help, but most of the graduates of these institutions are right on board with their professors.
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 1:14 AM
Why would you want to get on the nightly news? Information is the new commodity and the alternative ways of delivering it make it competitive. If people come to rely on the alternative because it is objective, factual and politically neutral the network news will get less and less viewers.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:16 AM
What did I just do? Striking out my own text at 1:15 tells me that perhaps it’s time for bed.
I blame the software.
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Satellite radio is a paid service. If talk radio has to make a new home there they may retain most of their listeners but I think it’s more likely that their listener base will fall drastically. If that happens their voices, although not silenced, will have been muted. If the fairness-doctrine is also applied to the Internet in some fashion our voices will be further muted. If the propaganda arm of the new administration continues unabated, perhaps even gaining market share as other sources are muted, their voices will consequently be strengthened.
Considering the tactics employed so far during this campaign to silence other forms of dissent, I’m not as confident as Bradky that the 1st amendment will remain unblemished.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 1:17 AM
They sneak over here like a dieter tip toeing to the fridge in the middle of the night.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:17 AM
So what is your solution?
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:17 AM
Whatever you say, Sergeant. I picked you apart because you’ve had at least a dozen posts on this thread recently–and I notice that you can’t refute anything I’ve said
You’ve been saying essentially the same thing for over a year, with very little variation, and used your Schtick to attack many, many people–including a woman yesterday who was clearly upset and didn’t need you to mock her and question her honesty about something she’d admitted
that was shameful, Big Guy, and you oughta hand your head in shame
Janos Hunyadi on October 25, 2008 at 1:18 AM
And in fact, Isn’t that the lefts goal? If they fail to achieve it, what other means might they employ?
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 1:20 AM
The problem with moderates from the republican party is that they move left. I have less issues with moderate democrats that have moved to the right.
Satellite radio costs the listener and many who would listen to Rush etc do not have the money for that.
1) Internet access costs the user.
2) The internet is not a friendly place to visit. There are the vile few who verbally assault others because they are anonymous.
3) The idea of objective sites are all fine and good, but the few will ruin it for the rest of us.
4) In the end, websites have to be profitable. That will supersede all other considerations.
5) Right now our country is polarized. We cannot see eye to eye on any issues that matter. The Iraq war. The reason for the economic crash. How to deal with Iran etc. How to deal with energy. Race relations. Immigration.
True, but there is also the issue of time. How many households have both parents working? They don’t have time to get politically involved and still raise their families. And why do both parents work? So they can have more “stuff”. Instead of living within their means, they want to keep up with the Jones. My wife stayed home and raised our kids. We have never purchased a new car off the lot. Always used cars. Our kids didn’t wear fancy clothes and they suffered the typical criticisms for it. But instead of being lazy parents and just buying them the new clothes, we taught them how to put life in it’s proper context. You all know I have two sons in the military. One in Iraq and the other serves as a damage control man in the Navy. These are the guys who risk life and limb to maintain hull integrity in emergencies. I have a daughter also. I’d like to post a sample of a comment she made to her leftist friend.
I don’t agree with all of that, but this is a 24 year old woman who took one year of college (Humbolt State) before having to leave because we couldn’t afford it after 9/11. She didn’t get where she is at because there were resources provided to her through citizen organizing. She arrived at where she was at because my wife was home to instill independent thinking and the desire to see the truth.
Yeah. I don’t agree with the armed revolution talk either, but there is every reason to get prepared now because once it becomes evident that we are going to need to be armed, it will be too late. The people (government) who know that crisis is inevitable will keep it to themselves because they know we will string them up first. First to go is free speech. 2nd amendment next. and so forth. And they wont take it all at once. They’ll take it an iota at a time until we wake up and wonder what the heck happened.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 1:20 AM
You must be quite the treat in real life — people likely cringe because they know you will replay some internet thread in which you “Pwned, picked apart…” — You are the Nick Burns of HotAir
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Brad,
I think we’re dancing past one another trying to agree that the nightly news is meaningless. It’s not meaningless because there are still some older folk who have watched it since the 50s, 60s, etc.
But there are a whole bunch of people who watch late night comedy and stupid pop culture TeeVee, which inject political viewpoint almost subliminally into all of that media product. Same with music.
How do you innovate that?
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:21 AM
I don’t know what this means, Salty, but it sounds Potentially Brilliant. Others openly cite Hotair and Townhall, including Limbaugh and Hannity–and Ingraham, and Coulter, etc…………
Janos Hunyadi on October 25, 2008 at 1:21 AM
Thanks. What I love about HA and it’s commenters is the connection to decent values, common sense, and tolerance. It is a world away from the craziness I’m used to.
Laura in Maryland on October 25, 2008 at 1:23 AM
You’re an Easy Target, Bradky, and you were easily ‘picked apart’. A lot of people here have done it………..
Janos Hunyadi on October 25, 2008 at 1:23 AM
For you lefties who don’t understand what Buy Danish just said I have a book for you. It explains Palin and grits and fly over America far better then today’s Pulitzer writers ever will…
Owen Wister’s ‘The Virginian’(1902), a book you WON’T find on any high school required reading list.
You won’t find bang bang shoot em up. You’ll find what you are missing when you pre-judge us as Bible and gun clenching neanderthals.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 1:23 AM
Understand your points. Not necessarily in total agreement but I get it.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:25 AM
I wish I had one. We’re outnumbered, and our taxpayer dollars are being confiscated to fund Obama’s civilian foot soldiers. It’s only going to get worse if he wins and had Congress and the courts to take it to the next level.
It will be even harder to win elections in the future when the populace has been indoctrinated and/or dumbed-down, they’ve stifled alternative voices, and they’ve voted themselves tax breaks at the expense of the productive minority, whom they will gleefully bankrupt.
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 1:25 AM
The “fairness” doctrine is just another example of newspeak.
Congress has no business infringing on speech, period.
Their involvement in regulation should not be any more than that of a traffic cop, like making sure permits are issued to prevent transmissions form stepping on each other and that basic standards of public safety are being followed.
To back down and go somewhere else like satellite is no way for a freedom loving people to act.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:25 AM
People are already doing that, the press is having enormous difficulties right now. The result: they’ve transmuted themselves into a propaganda arm of the left, in particular Obama, likely hoping to regain their audience by diminishing the voices of their competition through force of law.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 1:27 AM
I haven’t watched a nightly newscast in at least ten years. I get my facts from reading primarily.
If it were easy it would have been done already but it really comes down to how parents raise their kids. Do they let them have a tv in their room or do they keep only one in the family room and restrict the amount of time the kids can watch? Do they limit the amount of time spent on video games?
My point is that we raise kids to be addicted to the norm. Again, no easy answer but certainly one worth pursuing.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:29 AM
Just like people, there are a lot of imperfect parents. They’re only human.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 1:29 AM
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 1:20 AM
What nation flourishes without the foresight of a Paul Revere, the rhetoric of a Patrick Henry, and the poetry of Francis Scott Key?
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM
And the baffling calculator obsession continues. I can only imagine that you flunked math and therefore attack anyone of intelligence.
Very interesting ideas, by the way. Advertising boycotts. Those have always worked, especially in getting average Joes to organize together to carry them out. Just like online petitions.
And satellite radio. Again, the average Joe can’t wait to shell out 15-20 bucks a month for satellite radio plus a couple of hundred for the unit, rather than pay 10 bucks for a radio, listen to their car radio, or listen to a radio station’s website feed.
And oh yeah, get out and vote movements. Never heard of those. Maybe we can get ACORN and Puff Daddy/P. Diddy/Artist formerly known as Piddypants/etc to head them up. I hear “Vote or Die” was a rousing success.
I initially assumed you were just a naive television and movie-fed drone who is just throwing out musings like all guns being Mac 10s and the glorious Hollywood endings where consumer boycotts cause the great corporate meanies to recant their greedy, Reagan-loving ways. However, considering that you are praising Obama for using “tools” (read: Government force) to impose additional social programs on the populace along with increased taxes, it has become more likely that you’re simply an idealist of the most dangerous proportions, and most likely heard the words “hope and change” and had to ask mom to change the sheets.
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Laura, sometimes it seems the world has gone mad, but I don’t think it’s quite mad enough to elect a stalinist for President. But, if i’m wrong, I bought a pile of ammo to protect me from the celebrants. Or at least to hold them off until I can call in an airstrike.
I wish.
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:32 AM
Bad, badder, baddest. He’s bad. That Obama, he’s bad. As to what the Republicans were doing when they controlled the House, the Senate and the Presidency, yes, it was horrible that they allowed themselves to be sucked into the extremes of those they replaced. They did wrong and they were tossed. But anyone with any sense of logic or reason can’t say, hey, let’s replace those flawed Republicans with, mmmm, really, really flawed Democrats. In a Karma universe that throws the balance off. Really off.
hestrold on October 25, 2008 at 1:34 AM
My father used to talk about Owen Wister. I’ll have to put it on my Christmas list.
My kid watches news and information channels, South Park, Golf and the Weather Channel. He has a tv in his room. That’s not the problem.
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 1:35 AM
LOL! That made my
daynight.Laura in Maryland on October 25, 2008 at 1:35 AM
I forgot to say, it’s past my bedtime – goodnight.
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 1:36 AM
Night, all.
Remember….when the going gets tough the MSM says QUIT!
We say….
NUTZ!
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 1:37 AM
Of course you don’t watch the Nightly News, nor do any of us. Unfortunately, not everyone is as inquisitive as we are. And they watch SNL, the once funny Letterman, whatever. It’s a massive media indoctrination campaign where the targets don’t even recognize that they’re being brainwashed. Do you think they developed their Bush/Cheney derangement syndrome out of thin air? Nope, it’s been an all out onslaught of negativity and derision that starts on Comedy Central and ends on the Weather Channel.
Again. You are going to innovate the infiltration of all mass media how? I don’t mean to mock. But this system is rotten to the core.
pistolero on October 25, 2008 at 1:40 AM
I didn’t let ours have tv/computers in their room until in college. They couldn’t watch southpark or R movies until they were seventeen. I’m sure that sounds terribly leftist to some but that is what we did.
If it works for you great. Lots of other dynamics involved in raising them. Meals together without tv, curfews, etc.
part of the problem are the influence other kids have but I would contend that how involved a parent(s) has been with the child will overshadow that influence in the end.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Haven’t you listened to Bradky? Exercising of the second amendment, even in the most passive, defensive manner, is the equivalent of hunting down and murdering people.
Shame, shame. Guns are teh evul.
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 1:43 AM
You are missing the point – it is not to infiltrate the mass media, rather it is to offer an objective alternative that appeals to all people interested BECAUSE of its objectivity. Fox threw the “we report you decide idea” under the bus long ago.
I don’t claim to be some kind of seer or prophet. But i do think there are ways to accomplish some of these things. There just doesn’t seem to be the will at this point in time.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:45 AM
None, but they used diplomacy first. When that was exhausted and the King decided to put them down militarily, then the arms came out. We aren’t at that point yet.
Who are our Paul Revere’s, Patrick Henery’s, and Francis Scott Key’s?
Answer: Rush, Laura, Hannity, Bill O, Michelle Malkin, Levine, etc, etc, etc. They are working within the system as it is and only when all else fails will the guns come out.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 1:47 AM
*hands camouflage pattern calculator to MC* here you missed when you winged it at me. Your boss might not be happy if you were to break it.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:41 AM
Well, I guess we agree on something.
Television is rarely on in our house. Will watch football and baseball, other then that…Netflix.
Kids read, play outside, build forts, shoot bow and arrows etc…
I can’t stand television.
I do watch the news clips on the internet so I’m aware of what they are doing.
Not sure how you link “leftist” label to anti-television sentiment.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:49 AM
…and you’re the one talking about crack pipes.
Huh.
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 1:51 AM
sarcasm – long time HA posters peg me as a leftie in the tank for the Dkos types.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:52 AM
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 1:47 AM
Same page. I don’t think it hurts to let the world know that lady liberty is not a pacifist, though. It’s best if the world is aware that she gets testy if you look at her cross-eyed.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:53 AM
I got my own TV when I was six so I could watch the Sonny & Cher show, and I turned out okay (but then Sonny was a Republican).
Laura in Maryland on October 25, 2008 at 1:54 AM
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:52 AM
BTW.
What is a moderate conservative?
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 1:56 AM
No idea how to define that term. Seems like a conflict.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 1:59 AM
Sorry, I thought you called yourself that earlier.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 2:00 AM
I have conservative values but don’t like referring to myself as a “conservative”. Everyone has their own definition of what that means and there is a tendency for people to argue endlessly over who is the better conservative.
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 2:03 AM
Heh, he answered your question.
In a nutshell, moderate conservatives are people with conservative values, but have bought so much of the negative BS about their label that they’re ashamed to admit what they believe. It’s like a liberal who prefers to be called “progressive”, or the term “compassionate conservative”. They’re both attempts to shirk the label of what they truly believe because they’re ashamed of a perceived stigma attached to the ideologies’ name.
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Bradky on October 25, 2008 at 2:03 AM
You’re splitting hairs, Bradky.
Why are you voting for Obama?
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 2:12 AM
Agreed. Speak softly and carry a loaded M14.
Obama’s policy will be to elocutionary claptrap and carrying gallons of KY Jelly.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 2:21 AM
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 2:28 AM
Biden getting questioned about Obama’s Marxism and socialism. Very odd, somewhat nightmarish and yet somewhat amusing TV news interview from Central Florida.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17790025/index.html
CK MacLeod on October 25, 2008 at 3:24 AM
No ideal dies. Journalism is no different. This is a correction, a transition.
DFCtomm on October 25, 2008 at 3:36 AM
Yikes, they’re going to plumb her down harder than they did Joe if this gets any national attention.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 3:38 AM
WOW.
Gutsy anchor there. Joe Smiley didn’t know what to do with those questions except ask if they were jokes or challenge the person who wrote the questions. He knows full well that Obama spoke of spreading the wealth, yet he passed it off as something that Bush would do and Obama wouldn’t? And they gave QUAYLE hell?
Good grief.
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 3:42 AM
Interesting follow-up to the linked interview: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/10/wftvs-barbara-w.html
MadisonConservative on October 25, 2008 at 3:49 AM
I agree that the principles of impartial journalism will continue in other locations and times, but here and now it is practically dead at most news organizations, and nothing ensures the continued application of those principles. For example, they weren’t/aren’t practiced in the USSR, Venezuela, China and Saudi Arabia among many other locations throughout history. Even here in America it’s presently on life support in the broader sense. Science would be easier to practice in an unfriendly environment than impartial journalism because publication of scientific findings outside of the scientific community isn’t essential to it’s function, whereas underground journalism is useless for informing the general public.
Of course in this case the media has chosen sides voluntarily rather than by force, but competition is limited and the left seems inclined to utilize law/regulation to force some or all of their ideological competition, if not underground, then at least into the closet.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 4:25 AM
Wow. A little alternate universe there. That’s the way McCain and Palin get treated by the MSM about 80 per cent of the time. You can see Joe was not used to it.
CanadianGuy on October 25, 2008 at 5:53 AM
She was stone cold…anybody catch her looking off camera just before the end…maybe she was reigned in.
jerrytbg on October 25, 2008 at 7:27 AM
Exactly what I’ve been telling my friends who’ve switched and decided to vote Obama. If he gets elected, we have the MSM to thank for it.
4shoes on October 25, 2008 at 7:40 AM
The big question that no one seems to be asking is ‘why’. Normally when there is complacency of this magnitude, the answer is ‘follow the money’. So how is the media benefiting financially from this obviously transparent effort to influence the election of an unqualified anti-American candidate to the presidency.
docdave on October 25, 2008 at 8:19 AM
Mostly on motivation. After all, I’m quite sure that the British soldiers didn’t refer to the Patriots as “the Founders”; terrorists is more likely.
Or does anyone think that pouring boiling tar on someone, then dusting them with feathers, was a non-fatal event?
How about burning down the homes of Loyalists, with the families inside? The mass exodus to Canada wasn’t spontaneous.
Bottom line: the Founders were well aware that part of pledging their sacred honor involved being willing to commit fairly dishonorable acts as required for their purpose. They decided the cause was just and acted. And even though they were a minority, they had the will to prevail, no matter the cost.
If the Democrats had really believed all the lies they spouted about Bush, they would have rebelled. I know that Obama and the people he agrees with (Ayers, Dohrn, Wright) are serious about imposing a tyranny, and I will rebel.
SDN on October 25, 2008 at 8:28 AM
I suspect that “The FlatLine Media” does not, in its trademark hubris, much care about their “future” or about Obama being a threat to their First Amendment freedom for one of two reasons in particular:
EITHER
The FlatLine Media thinks they can – as they have so often in the past – build someone up, only to knock them down later and, hey, it ALL sells papers, so…what’s the prob?
OR
The FlatLine Media is SO cynical, that the RECOGNIZE the threat and are resigned to the fact – and quite jolly comfortable with it – that they would then become an integral part of the Obama power system (i.e. Federal Government)
…calling Joseph Goebbels!!!
Eeeeeeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww….
Lockstein13 on October 25, 2008 at 8:45 AM
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