Quote of the day
posted at 10:00 pm on October 24, 2008 by Allahpundit
“Now, don’t get me wrong. I’m not one of those people who think the media has been too hard on, say, Gov. Palin, by rushing reportorial SWAT teams to Alaska to rifle through her garbage. This is the Big Leagues, and if she wants to suit up and take the field, then Gov. Palin better be ready to play. The few instances where I think the press has gone too far – such as the Times reporter talking to Cindy McCain’s daughter’s MySpace friends – can easily be solved with a few newsroom smackdowns and temporary repostings to the Omaha Bureau.
No, what I object to (and I think most other Americans do as well) is the lack of equivalent hardball coverage of the other side – or worse, actively serving as attack dogs for Senators Obama and Biden. If the current polls are correct, we are about to elect as President of the United States a man who is essentially a cipher, who has left almost no paper trail, seems to have few friends (that at least will talk) and has entire years missing out of his biography. That isn’t Sen. Obama’s fault: his job is to put his best face forward. No, it is the traditional media’s fault, for it alone (unlike the alternative media) has had the resources to cover this story properly, and has systematically refused to do so.”
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A Media coup d’etat in the making.
Newsicide.
profitsbeard on October 24, 2008 at 10:02 PM
I agree with Sean Hannity….Journalism is dead. RIP.
HornetSting on October 24, 2008 at 10:03 PM
A great piece. As irritating as from the ‘outside’ it must be horrible to watch it die from the ‘inside’. We need a robust and fair press.
Spirit of 1776 on October 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
Agreed. You want to play hardball with politicians, go ahead. But don’t have a double-standard. If you look into one person’s past extensively, do the same with the other side.
amerpundit on October 24, 2008 at 10:05 PM
The Democrats are ready to do that, Spirit. It’s called the “Fairness Doctrine” and my stupid democratic senator is leading the charge-Dumb Ass.
HornetSting on October 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
You’ve nailed it, Mr. Malone.
Playing hardball with Palin is fair game, and I believe most of her supporters wouldn’t blink an eye about it, as long as we saw that they had the same ferocity toward all candidates.
The big Media is a complete fraud.
They should be prosecuted for illegal campaign contributions.
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 10:07 PM
When you sell your soul to the devil…………. don’t be surprised when he cheats you.
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 10:09 PM
The MSM has managed to wedge themselves between a Marxist fraud and very angry crowds (when they learn of the total deception that was intentionally perpetrated by the MSM on the American people). First-class intellects, there, no doubt.
progressoverpeace on October 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I don’t agree with Mr. Malone completely. I don’t think hardball for the candidate includes dragging the children though the slime.
johnsteele on October 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
I should have said independent also. It’s a strange development to me actually. Most times the press dies because the government takes it over. But in this case here, the press is the one breaking down the barriers to get in bed with the government. Idiots. They don’t know for whom the bell tolls.
Spirit of 1776 on October 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
This was a great article, but the last four paragraphs were the best, and most frightening. So much more than just the presidency is on the line.
Weight of Glory on October 24, 2008 at 10:10 PM
And I don’t know that I feel much sympathy for the death of his profession. I’d guess that he was a willing participant in the good times and now he bemoans the bad times. What the H*ll did he do to correct the problem? When did he stand up and yell “this has gone too far!” He published his anguished piece in a blog but I don’t see him saying anything about his trying to get his thoughts printed in the press or on air on his network and failing.
johnsteele on October 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM
I like what this guy wrote. However, why isn’t this guy chucking boring tech and valley stories and covering Sen. Obama?
cryptojunkie on October 24, 2008 at 10:13 PM
One good thing came from the media this week….I finally have a great holloween costume..I’m going as Ashley Todd…complete with make-up and a McCain sticker on my “bumper” (caboose).
HornetSting on October 24, 2008 at 10:14 PM
For those of you who missed it……….
…….. looks like the “MSM Base” is starting to show it’s cracks, or maybe they realize that they might have to earn a paycheck after this is all said and done……
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 10:14 PM
Don’t the people in the media love their children?
Do they not understand the job of POTUS is one of great consequence?
Seriously, I do not know how they sleep at night.
Elizabetty on October 24, 2008 at 10:15 PM
They have to make less than $250K to get a tax cut from the messiah.
HornetSting on October 24, 2008 at 10:16 PM
I see Charles Johnson is banning anyone with a word or link to the vile words, birth certificate . This despite the fact that 8 states are now asking for it. So bad judgment abounds in all avenues in these Fugitive (from common sense) Days.
BL@KBIRD on October 24, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Old news. I would say “like who didn’t know?” But I know the answer. American news reporting is dead. When the MSM is finally out of business, it will be be funny to watch them ask “why?”.
The problem with this country, we don’t have enough curious people in it.
Hog Wild on October 24, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Welcome to the new underground internet news…thanks to the Dems and BO…
d1carter on October 24, 2008 at 10:20 PM
We need to hold on for just a few more years. I’ve long thought that the Movement Left would try one last attempt to actualize what they have been wanting for years. They have not maintained the “capital” necessary to sustain the movement beyond another 15 years. That is why this election is so important for me. We just have to outlast them a little longer. Just a little longer.
Weight of Glory on October 24, 2008 at 10:21 PM
Journalism is not dead. Michelle Malkin is my favorite journalist. AP is the one I read most.
Perhaps Michelle eschews this label because of the company which she would be keeping. I think she is the harbinger for right-thinking journos forging their way into the pole position of the new media derby. She turned her back on archetypical newsrooms and look what happened…20-30% tumbles all around. While HotAir is kicking ass by all accounts.
The editing is beautiful, yes beautiful. IMHO editing and consistent posting are my baseline meters for just how professional an operation is.
Journalism is not dead. Not at HotAir. I’ll throw Charles Johnson and instapundit into the mix too. Didn’t Junkyard Blog say he was a reporter? I was a reporter and there are a few other commenters too.
There are boatloads of good writers and clear thinkers that are as fair in their commenting as most of the journalists with whom I worked.
I repeat, journalism is not dead.
Hannity is a blowhard, a puffer fish. He used to say “I’m not a journalist!” Then he slipped up when he was trapped and let it fly. “I’m a journalist.”
Lying is dead.
The Race Card on October 24, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Their ideology trumps everything, including sanity.
Indeed. So are: liberalism, progress and racism.
Entelechy on October 24, 2008 at 10:24 PM
Perhaps it will take the collapse of the NY or LA Times or WAPO for them to get the message. Perhaps.
diogenes on October 24, 2008 at 10:25 PM
I was at the airport today where in the gate holding areas we have CNN forced down our throats and that Wolf Blitzer guy was going on about Sarah Palin’s wardrobe. Everyone was basically ignoring the moniter until an older gentleman practically threw his drink at the moniter and shouted “Talk about the 100,000 dollar greek columns!” He then proceeded to use some colorful language, tried to change the channel, and got some major applause from the crowd.
Felt good.
Marcus on October 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM
If BHO wins it will be government of the media, by the media, and for the media.
Mojave Mark on October 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM
But where the h*ll has this guy been?
He certainly waited long enough … he’s been sitting on his ass just like the editors he excoriates.
Maybe he saw the McCain’s climbing numbers in Pennsylvania?
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 24, 2008 at 10:26 PM
But only for a short period of time … we’ll be using our 2nd Amendment rights to remind them of our 1st Amendment rights.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 24, 2008 at 10:27 PM
The candidate should be fair game. The candidate’s family, not so much. You have to be a special kind of slime to drag a tiny baby, Trig, through the mud the way he has been.
If Obama’s past associations and past statements were brought forward for public scrutiny, as a Republican candidate’s would have and have been, instead of the press going all lolly-tongued about him and his magic candidacy, there is no way we’d be where we are now.
TeeDee on October 24, 2008 at 10:28 PM
It can finally be said……………
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 10:29 PM
Very good Article indeed. I wonder what the “S” stands for in his name.
mindhacker on October 24, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Hey Marcus, out of curiosity, which airport?
diogenes on October 24, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Where do we stand on Obambi’s questionable citizenship?
RobertCSampson on October 24, 2008 at 10:32 PM
Media “palintologists” are using bulldozers & ditch witches to dig in Alaska. In Chicago? The diggers’ tool of choice is the teaspoon.
jgapinoy on October 24, 2008 at 10:34 PM
Look back through our history. There has NEVER been an un-biased press. I don’t see an intrinsic problem with this, as long as the bias remains on the EDITORIAL page, and doesn’t bleed into straight reporting.
Obviously, this hasn’t been the case in recent years.
irongrampa on October 24, 2008 at 10:35 PM
This is the real news in this story. The motive. OH MY GOSH! They are promoting Obama to get censorship. That is the end game. CENSORSHIP!
I am truly worried about the fate of this nation.
petunia on October 24, 2008 at 10:38 PM
But I thought we weren’t allowed to drill in Alaska.
pistolero on October 24, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I like that story. And it’s nice to see that you observed more who were there and got the applause.
Tonight I flipped through the channels, and saw a liberal commentator who no doubt thinks that Ayers and Wright are ‘distractions’ in the campaign – spend quite a long amount of time talking about John McCain’s brother making a non-emergency 911 call. It was typical, and the person devoting their broadcast time to that was a total Obama shill. I’d like to get video of that, and then video of the same person’s take on all the things that shouldn’t be commented on regarding Obama. Would make a great youtube video.
wise_man on October 24, 2008 at 10:38 PM
You know, when George Soros assembled the best and brightest of the hate America crowd together in 2004 to build this socialist Trojan Horse, one of the first things they all must have agreed upon is that the candidate MUST BE BLACK, so that they could cow the white guilters in the media into NEVER questioning this guy or his background.
pistolero on October 24, 2008 at 10:44 PM
May they be rewarded with life-long limpness.
Entelechy on October 24, 2008 at 10:50 PM
Sorry, but principles did not get any of the current crop of leftwing media whores onto the airwaves or onto the editorial page. When they graduated from their journalism schools they had alreadly tossed principles to the wind. They were taught if it bleeds, it leads – not spread your wings and do the right thing. They were vultures the minute they donned their caps and gowns. And the vultures were met with welcomed arms when they joined up with the elites in the MSM. And once employed, they fine tuned their craft in the profession, taking down all that opposed them.
Principles my arse. Never.
fogw on October 24, 2008 at 10:53 PM
If the Fairness Doctrine were applied to “news” and “reporting”, 95% (h/t Obama) of these Leftist idiots would be s**tcanned in a fortnight.
sulla on October 24, 2008 at 10:56 PM
We need a free and fair independent press, as Spirit mentioned, but seeing that we don’t have one I find myself hoping for their demise. Unfortunately, I fear it’s far more likely that they will simply consolidate their resources and take other measures necessary to survive while further entrenching themselves as the (un)official leftist propaganda wing. If they pass the unfairness-doctrine and take other measures to silence dissenting opinions the only recourse, voices of freedom and liberty having been silenced, will be civil unrest and probably violence, wherever it leads.
It certainly feels that way to me.
FloatingRock on October 24, 2008 at 11:01 PM
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest their noses and their a$$es.
Murphy9 on October 24, 2008 at 11:01 PM
I posted part of the letter and a link, on the website of my local newspaper. It certainly applies to most of them, today.
Star20 on October 24, 2008 at 11:01 PM
+10
and that’s why I’ll never believe that the “Fairness Doctrine” could ever help conservatives. Even if it didn’t stink by itself, in principle.
Fortunata on October 24, 2008 at 11:05 PM
Much as I respect Charles Johnson for some of the work he has done, his bannings appear to be at times arbitrary and capricious. He also fails to respond to repeated inquiries into why one has been banned. It’s a shame really, some of the folks on LGF are a great bunch to chat with and good discussions are commonplace.
AZfederalist on October 24, 2008 at 11:06 PM
Good points, Race Card.
I think your Hannity comment is a bit of a contradiction, though. He is an opinion commentator that argues issues from his point of view, which I think is fine, and I welcome more of it from all sides.
What we could use less of; however, is the distribution of political information under the pretense of “objective news” by the dinosaur media.
Their game is over, though.
The new game is competition among journalists whose opinions are forthright, but are studious about the facts. The rest reduce themselves to a sort of cheap vaudeville act, like say, Keith Olberman.
Those that strive to set their standards with a high degree of credibility are the ones that will survive. I believe this is why Malkin is so good, and Hot Air so current (kudos to Ed & Allah).
Would you agree that the media age is in the middle of shaking off it’s adolescence, and maybe the “second renaissance” of the printing press era is about to unfold?
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM
“May you ‘ave aPEEness all your life!!!” as my Arab friends used to say.
Fortunata on October 24, 2008 at 11:08 PM
They are cheering on their own demise. A free press was to be the watchdog. It has become the attack dog of one party. The irony,, the Marxists will eventually replace many of them, once they are no longer needed. I think some of these idiots like to actually think they are shaping events. But the Obama’s of the world, once arriving at power,, will not allow the media to think they are in control. And, just in case any of them think they suddenly want to become real journalists again,,
think again.
JellyToast on October 24, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Hot Air, and sites like it, are largely news aggregates. Without the larger framework of national and local media, there wouldn’t be anything there to post except opinion. Malkin is a different situation in part, and she’s got her chops as a journalist, but most of her site is commenting on news or activism, and her pieces are mostly opinion, ie editoral comments.
Or Conservative Blogger of the Year, AoS. The closest thing Ace does to journalism is writing movie reviews for movies he watches. The rise of the blogosphere is nice, but it can’t go to Lebanon/Israel and give you balanced reporting (for the most part).
The best example of ‘new’ journalism is Yon and Totten. But there aren’t many of them.
Spirit of 1776 on October 24, 2008 at 11:15 PM
There was revolution in the air and then…. the lack of wireless access points, showers, and inability to choose a general because everyone wanted the title… they slunk back to their homes and computers…put on a Mad Max DVD and dreamed…all in all it lasted about 5 days and mostly attracted a bunch of guys looking for some action…
Using the term “Let’s Roll” is an insult to the person who said it. Democracy worked – the majority voted and the ones who lost cried “not fair… get your guns”
Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 11:16 PM
With the exception of weather, sports, and natural disasters, the national and local media isn’t posting anything except opinion.
Isn’t that the problem?
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 11:21 PM
isn’t(I’m so embarrassed)aren’t
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 11:22 PM
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what’s for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote”
Unknown (Some credit B. Franklin)
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 11:25 PM
Yes, sir. I’m merely of the opinion that most of what passes for reporting on the blogosphere is comprised of secondary and not primary sources. At the beginning maybe we thought that everyone would stick their head out the window and say, ‘this is what is going on in my locality’, but it’s really turned out to be people just chiming in an opinion on national or world events.
Meaning simply, if/when the news organizations fold, they will leave a vacuum that I think will be filled with more opinion, not more fact.
Spirit of 1776 on October 24, 2008 at 11:30 PM
So the Democrats would have been justified in 2000 if they had overthrown the government? Where do you differentiate yourself from someone such as Bill Ayers?
Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Sadly I think you are right.
Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 11:32 PM
OK, then let’s just ask a couple of questions to the “journalist” for a man that want to be a President of the United States…
Race Card, that took me about ten {10} minutes… and I am a single Dad, with a six {6} year old son I need to put to bed…….. Maybe I could be a “journalist”, but then again, I would have to live with myself………
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 11:35 PM
Somewhere…..deep in the bowels of hell-
Joseph Goebbels is smiling…..
FiveWays on October 24, 2008 at 11:37 PM
The media won’t have coup’d a single person, much less the whole etat. It’s not like the truth isn’t out there for anyone with eyes to see and a willingness to look. The media get away with it – to the extent they do – because we let them. If we elect Ozbama, we’ll be “getting the government we deserve” – no one else to blame but the American people for having given up on running their democracy themselves.
I still have faith, however, in the American people. I don’t believe we’re the frightened sheep we’re depicted as in the media. If I turn out to be wrong, my faith will be shaken, I confess, but for now it’s still intact and I still expect the right decision. If the outcome I desire and expect hastens the long overdue self-accounting, if not the destruction, of the mass media in their current form, that will be great and necessary, but the business of repairing our country will have only just begun. If we lose this time, it doesn’t mean the democracy show is over, but it will mark the beginning of a dangerous and frightening time.
And put me on the side of those in no mood to forgive and forget the traitors – whatever the outcome.
CK MacLeod on October 24, 2008 at 11:37 PM
Petunia nails it. They are planting the seeds of their own destruction though censorship.
Huh? I was on board with your comments until the end. Yes, Hannity is a bit of a blowhard. That being said, his investigative reporting about Obama and his circle of friends via his “Hannity’s America” series are devastating and unparalleled.
He has been ringing a warning bell about the death of journalism. Perhaps he’s exaggerating.
Perhaps not.
Buy Danish on October 24, 2008 at 11:37 PM
I think leftists have unknowingly put a noose around their own neck and it’s only a matter of time before the whole movement falls off the stool. The roots of their ideology are rotten and can’t survive the test of reality for any length of time. Through dishonest yet peaceful means they are attempting to wrest control of all four branches of government simultaneously during a tumultuous and dangerous period of world history, unlike anything prior, and they are destined to fail. Assuming America survives, I think the influence of the left will be greatly diminished for a long time to come.
FloatingRock on October 24, 2008 at 11:38 PM
DFW. I know, but it was an outbound for LAX crowd.
Marcus on October 24, 2008 at 11:40 PM
“The media won’t have coup’d a single person, much less the whole etat. It’s not like the truth isn’t out there for anyone with eyes to see and a willingness to look.”
CK MacLeod
I’m with you brother, but you did hear the interviews Howard Stern recorded, in Harlem, right?
Star20 on October 24, 2008 at 11:44 PM
I’d be lying if I didn’t admit that I’m very worried, indeed.
Buy Danish on October 24, 2008 at 11:47 PM
Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 11:31 PM
Wrong context Bradky.
Why change the context of the argument? For what purpose?
The issue was about the 2nd ammendment being used to protect the 1st.
Killing indiscriminately while setting off explosives in the middle of the night, and then hiding.
If the day comes that its necessary to fight for [the peoples' right to the free exercise of religion; or freedom of speech, or of the press; or peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances], then I would face the oppressor and risk my own life with others that I would pledge together on our sacred honor.
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 11:47 PM
FTFY
doubleplusundead on October 24, 2008 at 11:50 PM
Well, I guess that’s a matter of opinion. ;-)
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 11:51 PM
No the context is the same in comparing the 2000 election and the upcoming election. the only difference is that it is likely you were for the party that won in 2000.
An Obama presidency is not going to take away your first amendment rights. In other words you are being way over dramatic.
Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM
True, and economic difficulties of the press bear that out, but that doesn’t absolve the press. They have a responsibility as well and serve an important role to the functioning of our democracy.
Even if the left succeeds in their attempts to control all four branches of our government, as I wrote above, (after the comment of yours I’m responding to now), they are essentially putting a noose around their own neck. Assuming they don’t silence dissent and irrevocably compromise national security and competitiveness, American democracy should survive yet another peaceful transition.
However, if they successfully silence, or at least mute, dissent, then the safety valve required for democracy to function will be sealed shut and, I think, violence may be necessary to right the course. It wouldn’t be necessary under normal circumstances, but circumstances will have changed.
FloatingRock on October 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Likely, partisan papers are nothing new, so really, we’ll just be returning to an older era in media…
doubleplusundead on October 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM
Thanks!
diogenes on October 24, 2008 at 11:55 PM
How you can seriously think a revolution in the event Obama wins is a reasonable idea is beyond me. the only circumstances that have changed is that the Democrats seem to be set for quite a sweep. Were you complaining when the GOP had all three branches for the majority of 2000-2006? Did the left whine and cry? Sure. Did they arm up and revolt? No they didn’t and neither should you.
Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 11:56 PM
No, you’re right, no one can take away any of your Constitutional rights unless you let them.
You do have to admit though, having the Obama campaign sending letters threatening to pursue the broadcasting licenses of television stations that played NRA ads is pretty damned chilling.
doubleplusundead on October 24, 2008 at 11:58 PM
Quite right.
Unless civilization ends, primary sources will survive in some fashion. I fear we are seeing the metamorphosis presently, or at least it’s foreshadowing, and the signs are ominous.
FloatingRock on October 24, 2008 at 11:58 PM
This is my point. We are on the path to greater partisanship and less news. I don’t see that as an improvement.
I also think your criticism of Hannity is extreme. It was his efforts that got GS to ask Obama about Ayers in the debate. Whether Ayers matters or not, Obama’s background should be examined and Hannity is very largely responsible for that effort.
Spirit of 1776 on October 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM
I have no idea what your talking about. Did you read my comments?
FloatingRock on October 24, 2008 at 11:59 PM
That was addressed to Bradky.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 12:00 AM
Shots? Who needs shots?
What would the Fed actually do if say Oklahoma, or Texas, or any of the other freedom loving states just said no? No we won’t take your highway money. No we won’t accomodate any Federal judge. No, we won’t let you run around our state in tax-exempt vehichles. No. No. No.
Will the Feds send Abrams and Bradleys? F22s? Call for a UN resolution demanding compliance?
No.
Now whatcha gonna do Yankees? Seize our banks? We’ll start more. Send in troops to use bolt cutters to remove the locks and chains on Planned Parenthood facilities? Then what? Shoot the state trooper who marches back up to put on another one?
Disobidience works both ways.
I’m sure there are smarter HA folks out there then this porch sitter that can come up with a few good ‘no’ responses to Uncle Sugar that doesn’t involve guns or cannon.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Can’t stand Hannity, and haven’t watched him in ages, last I did watch H&C with any regularity it was the same tired talking points about same rotten things Harry Reid and the Democrats did night after night after f*cking night. I wanted to throw my remote through the TV. Of course now I rarely watch TV…I don’t miss it.
doubleplusundead on October 25, 2008 at 12:03 AM
Let’s, for the sake of argument, assume that you end up being wrong.
Would you find the second amendment close to your heart?
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 12:06 AM
The absolute nadir (though I hate to commit to that, as we still have two weeks before the election) came with Joe the Plumber. Middle America, even when they didn’t agree with Joe, looked on in horror as the press took apart the private life of an average person who had the temerity to ask a tough question of a Presidential candidate. So much for the Standing Up for the Little Man, so much for Speaking Truth to Power, so much for Comforting the Afflicting and Afflicting the Comfortable, and all of those other catchphrases we journalists used to believe we lived by.
This pargraph tells it it even more. I detested the stories about Sarah Palin and trying to take apart her family but if the media has no problem tearing apart the lives of a private citzen because they can. What does that mean for the rest of us?
Will Obama really run the White House like Chicago thug or will the media destroy anyone who questions what Obama does?
Someone please tell me when the media decided it was okay to destroy anyone not like them? When did the MSM become the Nazi press? BY the way, right back at you, mainstream media. I don’t pay for your papers and try as much as possible to not buy things from your advertsing companies.
Gracelynn on October 25, 2008 at 12:06 AM
I have an idea as to why the media is doing what they are doing even though they are losing readers/viewers. But as I am not like the little kid who likes to torture grasshoppers with a magnifying glass (like Allah is ;-)) I’ll not say anything until after Nov 4th for fear it will have the same effect as the ridiculous polls Allah creates threads for.
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 12:08 AM
God help me, I’m agreeing with RINO King, but let’s all chill with the revolution talk.
doubleplusundead on October 25, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I like to read your comments, but this is an attitude I find puzzling. You didn’t like him in the past, but you haven’t watched him in ages, yet you take the time to denigrate him now – without regard for what he’s done in this election cycle. I don’t watch him much, he’s not my cup of tea, but I don’t see why the animosity. I don’t see the need for fratricide.
Spirit of 1776 on October 25, 2008 at 12:08 AM
I think we’ll survive in some fashion, though we may lose our edge and our government could fail under certain scenarios. As long as we have a viable nuclear deterrent the only way we’ll be overrun is if we let it happen, like Rome.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 12:09 AM
Alright, I’ll come back on the 5th to hear your explanation.
Spirit of 1776 on October 25, 2008 at 12:10 AM
FloatingRock on October 24, 2008 at 11:53 PM
I think we’re actually pretty close to agreement on the situation. The media role is real, and their behavior is unforgivable. I just think the fault lies much deeper: The people who run and work in the media are largely the product of our “best educational institutions,” for instance.
CK MacLeod on October 25, 2008 at 12:10 AM
You know, maybe we should start making time capsules, bury them, and fill them with predictions. Yours can be filled with “what me worry” themes; mine will contain documentary evidence that the Barbarians are at the gate.
This is the height of irony, since I am very much a glass half full kinda person, while I would probably (perhaps unfairly) put you in the pessimist column.
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 12:12 AM
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:01 AM
Its the believable potential that guns and cannon are part of the equation that the word “No!” refutes the paper tiger label.
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 12:13 AM
Revolution? How about good old disobedience? The Dem machine is about to Tax Stamp us into the dirt. Are we to just sit back and wait until Jesus comes to set things right?
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:14 AM
Did Republicans demolish liberal media in 2000-2006?
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 12:14 AM
So will you hide, or wear the letter? Your choice.
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:22 AM
I don’t care so much about our government failing, particularly if it is the government of Obama and friends.
I care about our country failing.
You really don’t get it, do you. When have we ever tried to silence the opposition? Do you even understand what, say, Political Correctness is all about? Do you have any idea what’s going on in places like Italy and Great Britain and Canada, enlightened places all, vis a vis censorship?
Buy Danish on October 25, 2008 at 12:23 AM
1) What makes you think that Obama will not go along with the fairness doctrine?
2) You do understand the danger in it right?
csdeven on October 25, 2008 at 12:26 AM
Republican;
Democrat;
Limerick on October 25, 2008 at 12:30 AM
I agree in principle, Doubleplus, but I wasn’t advocating revolution. I was simply stating from a sociological perspective what tends to happen when a failed government/press doesn’t allow dissent. There will be civil unrest that may lead to violence. I didn’t even mention revolution in my comments, though Bradky insinuated that I had by mis characterizing my comments.
FloatingRock on October 25, 2008 at 12:35 AM
Help a lunkhead out, would ya?
I’m not grasping the Hawthorne allusion. Are you suggesting
Saltysam on October 25, 2008 at 12:36 AM
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