Frank: Agree to stimulus now or watch us throw money away later
posted at 3:20 pm on October 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Just in case the message hasn’t quite gotten through to voters, Barney Frank reminded Republicans what one-party government would look like in 2009. Democrats want to escalate government spending in what looks more like a new New Deal while we face the consequences of entitlement explosion that the first one created. And if the GOP doesn’t play ball now, they’ll lose any chance of limiting the spending later:
Liberal-leaning economists made the case for several new and expensive spending programs as a House panel on Friday pressed the Democratic case for legislation to try again to jump-start the sagging economy.
Even though Congress is in recess, Democrats have held several hearings this week to make the case for a $150 billion or more economic stimulus measure to follow the $700 billion bank rescue passed three weeks ago. A round of tax rebates and business tax breaks passed in February was credited with giving the economy a modest boost over the summer, but fears of a protracted recession after the credit crisis have Democrats promising more. …
If Republicans continue to resist, said Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., Democrats are likely to rejoin the issue in January, when they expect party standard bearer Barack Obama to take the oath of office as president.
“There’s no question the House will pass … a much bigger (stimulus plan) than we passed before,” Frank said of a postelection lame duck session. “If enough Republicans in the Senate decide to filibuster it … then we’ll just wait until January.”
John McCain has apparently decided to make the divided-government argument in the final ten days. This could be Exhibit A. Without a check on a Democratic Congress in the White House, Frank and his allies will run wild on spending, creating massive new entitlements and government works programs, pulling capital out of the markets to fund it. Instead of having a chance at reforming Social Security and especially Medicare, they’ll busily create an even bigger economic disaster.
Republicans need to defiantly answer Frank’s extortion by running this threat in ads for the next 10 days in every close Congressional race. They need to ask voters whether they want to put government in the hands of people who want to take even more of their money to make government even bigger than it is now. If nothing else, it prepares the ground for 2010 and the next midterms.
Update: How will they pay for it all? Frank suggests a 25% reduction in defense spending — while we’re at war.
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Whats with that hand gesture!!
canopfor on October 24, 2008 at 3:22 PM
Oh.… here comes Bawny…. just when we need him.
Mcguyver on October 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Ok so my question is WHEN do they plan on doing this? NOW, next week, next month?
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 3:24 PM
Stop it already, I was hot before you said that.
Mcguyver on October 24, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Rep. Barney Frank, who deliberately opposed oversight of Fannie Mae while he was schtupping one of their financial officers?
Somebody explain to me why this corrupt piece of trash is not in jail.
philwynk on October 24, 2008 at 3:25 PM
That’s it. No more work for me. As soon as the Commies take over the gov’t, I’m going on welfare. As soon as they re-institute it.
J.J. Sefton on October 24, 2008 at 3:25 PM
Isn’t that what Barack said was one of his goals…..reduce defense spending?
Team Mac, time to fire up a new campaign. Here ya go.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 24, 2008 at 3:26 PM
He was not the “schtupper” in this case but the “schtupee.” As he will do to all of us if he had the chance…..
J.J. Sefton on October 24, 2008 at 3:27 PM
Keep talking Mr Franks, you doing a great job.
Oh, if you are trying to buy my vote, let me send you my list. You’ll note at the top is your retirement. We’ll start there, ok?
rockhauler on October 24, 2008 at 3:27 PM
You said it.
Count to 10 on October 24, 2008 at 3:27 PM
We are so screwed in 2009, aren’t we?
Russia will invade Ukraine in January
VZ might invade Colombia
Fairness doctrine
Filibuster proof majority
Some dude with brain cancer is writing a healthcare plan
Massive tax increases
Nationalized 401k’s
Did I sum it up. Or is there more?
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM
?!
The one thing the federal government actually has a right and an obligation to fund.
Count to 10 on October 24, 2008 at 3:29 PM
doom
ThePrez on October 24, 2008 at 3:31 PM
This situation with the Dem congress has passed surreal and is on its way into the Twilight Zone.
Bawney is home in his moo moo wondering which branch of the service should lose their funding first.
Hening on October 24, 2008 at 3:32 PM
My optimism has run over pessimism, lorien.
I’m vested in this market with my money. You will be crushed and I will make more money, because your pessimism drove down the price of a McCain ticket contract!!
Thank you!!
Mcguyver on October 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Hey. At least they can tell us we weren’t warned when they do it all.
People just aren’t paying attention to them.
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM
This is exactly why Liberals are a danger to America,
cutting back on the Military,or new weapons programs!
Lets put it this way,everything that Democrats are
against,thats what will be cut!
canopfor on October 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM
OPEN SUNLIGHT:
I’m withholding comment on Barney Frank because he has control over an issue that is important to my family issues.
I must maintain my self control……
originalpechanga on October 24, 2008 at 3:33 PM
Well we won’t need any of that defense spending. Dear Leader Obamassiah will go and visit with Bin Laden and apologize and everything will be hunky dory.
You know, just like the oceans have already begun to heal.
Not looking forward to the next few years
rbj on October 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
I have no idea what your linked post is talking about?
Intrade?
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
No offshore drilling unless it is 50 miles out.
No drilling IN the US.
No drilling!
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
I can’t help myself….
originalpechanga on October 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Hmm, I was thinking the same thing. After all, once Brak is Pres, everything will be ok. There will be Unicorns flying around, rainbows on every street and Pop-Tarts will grow from the trees, everything will be A-ok and the gubment will pay us to play video games. I can’t wait.
Geronimo on October 24, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Thanks for reminding me.
Russia will invade Ukraine in January
VZ might invade Colombia
Fairness doctrine
Filibuster proof majority
Some dude with brain cancer is writing a healthcare plan
Massive tax increases
Nationalized 401k’s
No Drilling. We are at OPEC’s mercy.
Feel free to add on!
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Resign. Now.
Vashta.Nerada on October 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Isn’t blackmail illegal?
ctmom on October 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM
This guys should be hiding in his closet, in fear of feds putting him away for his role in this meltdown. Instead, he is pounding the table with his demands.
Wish I could find a sleeping pill that would put me out for four years.
Star20 on October 24, 2008 at 3:35 PM
He has a “D” after his title. That is a free pass for sexual perversion, adultery, graft, not being held accountable for anything you promise, blackmailing and running this country into the ground.
Hening on October 24, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Torches. Pitchforks. Change.
Let’s run these bastards out of town. They’ve destroyed the spirit of American individualism for some foul, disgusting Eutopia.
I’m not a nihilist by nature, but these fools running the country need to be chased from their ivory tower and thrown into the streets.
Flyover Country on October 24, 2008 at 3:36 PM
Soon we’ll all have B’s but they’ll be on our butts’ and will stand for “surprise butt sex courtesy of washington” !
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:37 PM
And it is extortion. Here that, Senator McCain?
extortion extortion extortion extortion extortion
RushBaby on October 24, 2008 at 3:38 PM
O/T,Sarah Palin will be on Hannity shortly!
canopfor on October 24, 2008 at 3:39 PM
The best stimulas is for the govmint to keep its mitts off the economy.
Kini on October 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Yes sirree Bob!!
Mcguyver on October 24, 2008 at 12:49 PM
Mcguyver on October 24, 2008 at 3:40 PM
Eliminating every penny of Defense spending wouldn’t cover the plans Barry has already thought of.
MarkTheGreat on October 24, 2008 at 3:41 PM
McCain needs to run ads with this tool using the “Girls Gone” theme.
Laura in Maryland on October 24, 2008 at 3:41 PM
The commercials write themselves. This needs to played in every tight congressional and senate race in the country. Remind people what is at stake if the Democrats get control over both houses of congress and the presidency.
MarkTheGreat on October 24, 2008 at 3:42 PM
What item is that?
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 3:43 PM
New Deal 2 – Electric Boogaloo… Wonderful.
I only hope McCain wins so that all the electoral fraud (voting, fundraising, and otherwise) is actually investigated by the US attorneys.
If Obama wins, every one of them will be replaced with his Chicago cronies who’ll no only cover up what they did, but actively partake in it.
teke184 on October 24, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Amnesty for 12-20 million?
ProudPatriot on October 24, 2008 at 3:43 PM
I am so tired of this little weasel. He needs to be out of office ASAP
Noelie on October 24, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Does this guy have any teeth?
darwin on October 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Wow. Dems must be supremely confident if they feel free to say things like this.
SAZMD on October 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM
Oh, crap.
I just realized that.
If the Dems get a filibuster-proof (or close) majority, there will be no drilling. Oil prices will go through the roof, just on the realization of this. Iran and Venezuela will be back in business, Sudan will continue to bribe China for inaction, and Putin will have even more incentive to grab oil production and distribution.
Count to 10 on October 24, 2008 at 3:45 PM
I’m getting that 3rd world feeling again
Kini on October 24, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Greenspan wasted away
* by Rob Peebles
* October 03, 2008
Sung to the tune of Margaritaville, with apologies to Jimmy Buffett (With extra verses because so many are needed)
Greenspan wasted away
Staring at cheese cake
Gotta a new speech to make
All of those bankers covered in sweat.
Shuffling my note cards
Responding to blowhards
Tellin’ them, “Really, I have no regrets.”
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim homeowners must be to blame
All I know…
This thing ain’t my fault.
The hedge funds got leveraged
While I sipped my beverage.
They bought tons of stuff no one understands.
But it was their duty
To rake in the booty
They bought Hamptons mansions, torpedoes be damned
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim Congress must be to blame
But I know
It’s still not my fault.
Those swaps were all hidden
From my field of vision.
My buddy Phil Gramm said it was all cool.
Regulation was evil
So his bill made them legal.
Now buyers and sellers are feeling like fools.
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim realtors must be to blame,
But I know,
No way it’s my fault.
Mortgage brokers went crazy.
Appraisers got lazy.
Homes “created wealth” and things were just fine
But it really was funny.
They’d loan you the money.
If you picked up a pen and were able to sign.
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim Fannie must be to blame
But I know,
This can’t be my fault
Now Fannie and Freddie
Lobbied hard, lobbied steady.
Executives knew how to play all their cards.
Then company earnings
Crashed and went burning.
They took none of the risk and kept the rewards.
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim to blame
Now I know,
No way it’s my fault.
Before telecom busted
Back when “in dotcom we trusted”
It took me by surprise when that bubble burst.
But I took some action
I cut rates to a fraction
Who knew the next bubble that burst would be worse?
Wishin’ today for a bail out bill.
No more banks hurtling toward default.
Some people claim it was me that’s to blame
Now I know,
It’s Bernanke’s fault.
MB4 on October 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM
What a bunch of crooks!!!
If our founding fathers were still alive I bet they would be asking why the hell we have not had another revolution before now!
HoosierCon on October 24, 2008 at 3:47 PM
what a scum bucket! everyone better go get some lube, we are going to get screwed yet again. thanks
custer on October 24, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Yep… drill here drill now will be a drilling dream!
More then a feeling….. REO Speedwagon comes to mind.
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 3:49 PM
New ad Pictures of various Dems, When $700 Billion isn’t enough!
Cindy Munford on October 24, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Why not make it 50% while you’re at it, moron?
Rick on October 24, 2008 at 3:50 PM
I thought that song was by Boston?
Rick on October 24, 2008 at 3:52 PM
How are these people leading our country? Seriously.
They are running it straight into the ground.
I dont get this.
Its insane.
TheHat on October 24, 2008 at 3:52 PM
So now, spending more money on FOOD STAMPS is going to boost the economy more than cutting peoples taxes. These are the ‘economists’ that will be advising a President Obama.
You can’t make sh*t like this up!!!
AZ_Mike on October 24, 2008 at 3:53 PM
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Lemme see….
Iran nukes Israel by end of ‘09?
Obama Jugend/Civilian Security Corps established?
The Hildebeest on the Supreme Court?
Massive increase in payments to the UN?
Massive aid package to Kenya?
US military out of Middle East/Europe/Asia?
Osama Obama’s birth certificate still not found?
MrScribbler on October 24, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Probably is… I can be wrong. LOL
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Daffy Fwank is just doing his part to accelerate destablization toward crisis – like a good useful idiot who is down wit da cause, namely
The Great Brainwashing Process
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlpODYhnPEo
Objective: To change the perception of reality for every American to such an extent that despite an abundance of information, no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their country and community.
Four Stages:
1. Demoralization
2. Destabilization
3. Crisis
4. Normalization
1.Demoralization – 15-20 years
A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information, even if showered with information. The process of demoralization involves re-education of the youth by leftist politicians, media (including Hollywood) and educators. As of 1984, former KGB operative Yuri Besmenov (AKA Tomas Schuman) remarked that the process was complete in the US and has surpassed the wildest dreams of Comrad Andropov et al.
2. Destabilization – 2-5 years
This focuses on the economy, foreign relations and defense systems. The thrust is made to eliminate free market competition. Leftist dissidents are useful idiots during this phase, which by the way the US is currently facing. The politicians, media and educators falsely tell the people that they are in a period of peace when actually they are in the midst of an ideological war (undeclared and total assault against the fundamentals of the American system), a slow poisoning.
3. Crisis – 6 weeks
The leftist politicians promise the people all kinds of goodies, social justice and the paradise on earth. Then CHANGE – Revolution. The leftists are then imprisoned, exiled or executed because they know too much and will not submit to the wolves once the sheepskins of idealism are dropped. They are replaced by even more radical revolutionaries.
4. Normalization – indefinite period
After a violent change of power structure and economy comes what is cynically described as ‘normalization’, the ensuing period of oppression and poverty…until the next revolution.
Remedies
1. Strong national effort must educate people in the spirit of real American patriotism
2. Explain the real danger of socialist welfare state Big Brother government. All freedoms can perish in five seconds.
3. Once enough of the people are convinced of this danger they must FORCE the US government to stop aiding communism –
• Not sign petitions
• Not write letters
• FORCE!
rishika on October 24, 2008 at 3:55 PM
He’s not all that little, and you’re insulting weasels by calling him one…
Rick on October 24, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Call him on it! CALL BULLSH#T!!!!!
This is McCain/Palin’s chance to see who has the biggest pair……………
Frank thinks he can intimidate and use his corrupt power to his advantage……………. TIME TO SHINE THE LIGHT OF TRUTH ON THE MATTER!!!!!!!!!
He has opened the door……….. GO BACK TO WHAT CAUSED THIS!!!!!!!!!
We are coming up to a week before the election and you, McCain, won’t even touch this…….. this is the key, this will change the whole election for not only the Presidency, but also for the House and Senate………. WHAT DO YOU NEED A FLOW CHART?………… Apparently so……..
People, if I can do this, than either McCain is surrounded by Obama supportes pretending to be McCain supporters, or those of us that actually have to work for a living are truly smarter than those who we have representing us……..
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Oh wait, Reo Speedwagon sang “Can’t fight this feeling” – - that fits this situation perfectly.
Rick on October 24, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Obama and his handlers must cringe every time Barney steps up to a podium.
Thanks Barney – every time you open your mouth, more voters are going to realize that the House is not just controlled by Democrats – it’s controlled by especially insane Democrats.
forest on October 24, 2008 at 3:59 PM
+ 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00 x Infinity
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I do not want to suggest anything, but that f**king idiot Frank must think he is bullet proof.
Zelsdorf Ragshaft on October 24, 2008 at 4:00 PM
I don’t know why you all are worried about paying for it, they are just going to take IRA’s and 401k’s. It will be fine.
Cindy Munford on October 24, 2008 at 4:02 PM
The problem is that the MSM won’t show this clown, or others like him, when they go off and say stupid things like this. They are too busy focusing on Palin’s wardrobe and McCain’s negative adds.
Rick on October 24, 2008 at 4:02 PM
One article this election cycle has already claimed Fwank has a sphincter of steel…
You’re welcome for *that* mental image, BTW.
teke184 on October 24, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 3:56 PM
I wish you had a hot line to the campaign.
Cindy Munford on October 24, 2008 at 4:03 PM
McCain has to get this up on TV, as well as the Dem plan to convert 401(k) plans to a second Social Security plan.
Then get Bawny Fwank on a commercial: “Pass a stimulus now or…” then McCain cuts in and says “I will veto all your wasteful spending plans, and save the retirement funds of hard-working Americans.”
Steve Z on October 24, 2008 at 4:04 PM
*Twitch*
Economic production is a function of (wonder of wonders) how much we produce, even if we use round about ways of measuring that production. Borrowing money (reducing investment in production) to do things that encourage people to be unproductive (say, paying them not to work) reduces production directly both coming and going. What they actually buy with the money only increases production indirectly, from how much of the revenues of their purchases are available for further investment.
In an economic downturn, the common sense response is the correct one: reduce expenditures, save your money, and try to find ways of making more money!
Count to 10 on October 24, 2008 at 4:05 PM
We are so screwed in 2009, aren’t we?
Russia will invade Ukraine in January
VZ might invade Colombia
Fairness doctrine
Filibuster proof majority
Some dude with brain cancer is writing a healthcare plan
Massive tax increases
Nationalized 401k’s
Did I sum it up. Or is there more?
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 3:28 PM
*********************
Lorien: PLEASE don’t spend one more second adding to your list….it’s depressing enough as is.
alwyr on October 24, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Russia will invade Ukraine in January
VZ might invade Colombia
Fairness doctrine
Filibuster proof majority
Some dude with brain cancer is writing a healthcare plan
Massive tax increases
Nationalized 401k’s
No Drilling. We are at OPEC’s mercy.
Amnesty for 12-20 million?
Iran nukes Israel by end of ‘09?
Obama Jugend/Civilian Security Corps established?
The Hildebeest on the Supreme Court?
Massive increase in payments to the UN?
Massive aid package to Kenya?
US military out of Middle East/Europe/Asia?
Osama Obama’s birth certificate still not found?
Having to give up my right to protect my family against a home invasion with my gun
Kevin in Washington State on October 24, 2008 at 4:10 PM
House Republicans need to go to a DC court an initiate a civil commitment proceeding to have Frank put away.
BuckeyeSam on October 24, 2008 at 4:10 PM
The repubs should call his bluff. The last thing this market needs is another plan, package, money or whatever you want to call it.
The market needs to be left alone so it can cleanse itself in the shortest possible time. All these packages accomplish is to slow the process and create new landmines that will be stepped on in the future as monies are misallocated with all this central planning 101.
We don’t have a liquidity problem such as we had in 1929 we have a solvency problem. More cash/spending does nothing to offset that.
patrick neid on October 24, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Hmm here are a couple more:
Debt to sky rocket
New 21st Century Depression
loss of Housing
Riots in the streets
Starving Americans
Possible Nuclear War
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Dogs and cats living together!
I’m just talkin’ about proposed policy already in the works. Not might-be’s
lorien1973 on October 24, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Dogs and Cats thing is done. My Cats lay on the Dog… and the Dog likes it.
upinak on October 24, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Does he need any?
Mr_Magoo on October 24, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Whats with that hand gesture!!
That’s no hand gesture; he measured his boyfriend last night.
RWLA on October 24, 2008 at 4:19 PM
All that, and my freakin taxes are going up.
forest on October 24, 2008 at 4:19 PM
And when Bawney’s Phwank talks, all you downstairs listen, or he will throw you out of the apartment. We have to pay our voters.
Socialism doesn’t fail, they just run out of other people’s money to give away.
I would tell them to stick the stimulus …
tarpon on October 24, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Poll his pages.
fogw on October 24, 2008 at 4:23 PM
You forgot the criminalization of the Republican Party………. we will become Untouchable……
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Welcome to the USAS (Union of Socialist American States)!
Rick on October 24, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Yes we are, so is Sarah, not so much Mack, but the push has begun, the polls are tight, did you hear Obama on Rush today say “reperations”? His racisim will kill him!
Rush himself this morning said we will have to drag McCain across the line!
Never give up, its’ too important, we can win this thing.
Its’ brains and hard work against brain-dead, non-workers and cheaters.
Maybe ‘The One won’t be able to dredge up even a forgery of a Birth Certificate over in Hawaii.
Sparticus!
I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!
dhunter on October 24, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Who votes for this guy anyway? And why is he suddenly everywhere?
Maybe the more people have to listen to him the less likely they’ll be to ever vote for him again. I think my 10 mo. old speaks better than him.
thevastlane on October 24, 2008 at 4:26 PM
And studies show that the vast majority of unemployed persons do not begin to seriously look for work until their unemployment benefits are about to run out. So by extending their benefits, the government is simply making sure that the unemployed spend more time on the couch, instead of getting out of the house and looking for work. How exactly does that help our economy, Jared?
AZCoyote on October 24, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Call their bluff.
exhelodrvr on October 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Aww . . . Fwankie opened his yap . . . how nauseating.
Ryan Gandy on October 24, 2008 at 4:30 PM
I AM JOE THE AMERICAN!!!!!!
Seven Percent Solution on October 24, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Hee-haw!!!!!
Hening on October 24, 2008 at 4:44 PM
In a sane and just world Barney Frank would have resigned in disgrace for his role in this housing fiasco.
But noooohhhh, he’s in a leadership position.
Buy Danish on October 24, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Sounds like Obama/Frank and the rest of the Dums are all on the same page when it comes to those evil baby killers and their military-industrial-complex handlers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRGru2CPC4E&eurl=http://cdrsalamander.blogspot.com/
Just a reminder of Obama’s Idea of a future US military.
C-Low on October 24, 2008 at 4:47 PM
These people are dictators.
CP on October 24, 2008 at 4:49 PM
$5-9.00 gallon of gas!
grapeknutz on October 24, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Team McCain should be all over this….
liquidflorian on October 24, 2008 at 4:58 PM
It will be called the Religion of Peace Dividend.
steveegg on October 24, 2008 at 5:07 PM
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