Forbes: Capitalism will save us …
posted at 8:10 am on October 24, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
Steve Forbes has a lengthy article explaining both the history of the financial collapse and the history of financial collapses in general, in today’s Forbes On Line. Anyone wishing to understand how bubbles form, why they collapse, and how government causes most of the problems surrounding them, should take time now to read this article. Forbes insists that capitalism and free-market principles will save us from disaster, if we’d only let them work properly:
Despite the crisis, the global economy still retains enormous strengths. Between the early 1980s and 2007 we lived in an economic Golden Age. Never before have so many people advanced so far economically in so short a period of time as they have during the last 25 years. Until the credit crisis, 70 million people a year were joining the middle class. The U.S. kicked off this long boom with the economic reforms of Ronald Reagan, particularly his enormous income tax cuts. We burst from the economic stagnation of the 1970s into a dynamic, innovative, high-tech-oriented economy. Even in recent years the much-maligned U.S. did well. Between year-end 2002 and year-end 2007 U.S. growth exceeded the entire size of China’s economy. Obviously China’s growth rates were higher, but China was coming off a much smaller base.
The world is flush with cash. It’s frozen because of fear, but the cash is there. Productivity gains are burgeoning.
So, will this global boom resume next year, slowly at first and then with increasing momentum? It should. Whether that happens, however, depends on the next, highly dangerous phase: the political aftermath.
Will we and other countries pursue policies that hinder growth and retard or abort a full-blown recovery, e.g., regulations that stifle innovation and taxes that harm the creation and deployment of capital?
Forbes backed the bailout plan, and he explains why briefly before discussing both history and future. Thanks to mark-to-market rules and the effects of naked short-selling (and especially because of the elimination of the uptick rule on short selling), banks started collapsing even though all of them had positive cash flow. The mark-to-market rule forced them to report losses they hadn’t yet taken, and short sellers went wild when they did. The Bear Stearns collapse taught large depositors to get their money out fast when their banks started looking even a little shaky, starting a panic.
Only the massive infusion of liquidity — or really, the promise of the infusion — stopped the panic. Interestingly, Forbes points out that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (and other institutions) have only collapsed on paper, thanks to the mark-to-market rule. With mortgage-backed securities having nomarket (and therefore no value) at the moment, they had to report massive losses in assets, even though most of the mortgages are sound. Both GSEs have positive cash flows, and neither have had to touch the $200 billion credit line that rescued them. When the market gets recreated for MBSs in a more rational manner, most of the losses will probably vanish, leaving institutions stung but hardly destroyed.
With the initial panic gone, Forbes wants to see an end to government distortion of markets for political purposes — and not just in lending markets. He prescribes a much more limited role for the Fed and a strong-dollar policy that eliminates speculation in currency. Government needs to regulate the market, Forbes writes, but in rational and non-political ways that protect the free market.
Unfortunately, Forbes fears that the wrong lessons have been learned from the collapse. He notes that the Great Depression not only got worsened by the notorious Smoot-Hawley protectionist policy, but it also triggered the intial stock collapse of 1929. Raising taxes to eliminate the federal deficit — Herbert Hoover’s last-gasp 1932 action — destroyed the American economy as capital fled and banks collapsed.
We need to continue to reward risk and support capital investment. This is not a moment for governments to decide that they need to “manage” markets, but to recognize the damage they’ve created by doing that over the last several years.










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Yes, Yes, but just try educating “the people” about the dangers of protection (interference). One would have a better chance of converting lead into gold.
OldEnglish on October 24, 2008 at 8:19 AM
The government genie is out of the bottle ready to grant your wishes…for a price.
Fletch54 on October 24, 2008 at 8:23 AM
That’s exactly the lesson the liberals won’t learn, Ed.
OhioCoastie on October 24, 2008 at 8:25 AM
Don’t worry, Dear Leader Obamassiah won’t have new protectionist policies such as renegotiating NAFTA or blocking a free trade agreement with Columbia — which would only expand the US’s market. Nor will The One’s cronies in Congress nationalize our 401(K)s. And even if all that happened, socialism = free market.
Gawd the next
fourforty years are going to suck.rbj on October 24, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Given our government-educated population today, I think free-enterprise is deader than a door nail.
Sad the stupid and the illiterate are going to finally manage to kill this country.
Dave R. on October 24, 2008 at 8:32 AM
I wonder how things would be different today if Forbes had won when he ran for President?
jgapinoy on October 24, 2008 at 8:32 AM
The circuit breakers were tripped on the market this morning, creating an automatic stop to all selling until the market opens. Hang onto your hats.
BadgerHawk on October 24, 2008 at 8:35 AM
Isn’t this a little oxymoronic?
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 8:39 AM
Guys like Alan Greenspan, Dick Fuld and Christopher Cox are quite expensively educated. There were a lot of years of education involved in creating this mess.
dedalus on October 24, 2008 at 8:43 AM
Never fear . . . after Obama installs his new Marxist regime, the dictatorship of the proletariat will eliminate any semblance of a free market society and will redistribute the wealth to the poor and the working class. There will be no need for individual ambition or competition because the nanny state will see to your every need. Just think of the new society as a very large Skinner box where the rats are rewarded and then give unyielding support and compliance to the all knowing and all seeing state.
Don’t snicker . . . this is the new reality.
rplat on October 24, 2008 at 8:45 AM
Obi WanSteve Forbes, now that’s a name of economic sanity that I haven’t heard since the Clone Wars.Right_of_Attila on October 24, 2008 at 8:50 AM
The future of free enterprise.
I’m looking for three door nails.
Will trade used couch. Please call 833-443-2637.
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 8:54 AM
did you ever read ‘a day in the life of ivan denisovich’ by Solzhenitsyn? its pretty grim and grey…a vision of our future under the new bi-racial messiah!! can you dig it?
but I thought the guvmint saved us!!! guess not huh?
right4life on October 24, 2008 at 8:59 AM
They won’t be satisfied until all income is directly deposited at the US treasury.
[Cue Russian funeral march music]
When you need a new couch, you will then go to your local Federal Department of Distribution, wait in line, fill out the necessary applications (the need for new couch will be your burden to prove), then wait six months for an answer in the mail.
Saltysam on October 24, 2008 at 9:00 AM
Well, let’s see. The stage is being set. There was that Bloomberg article about closing the markets. The Obama has his big event on TV scheduled for the 29th.
So…
We get a market collapse today. Over the week end a panicked federal bureaucracy orders a market holiday until the 30th, and The Obama can then give us his fire side chat and save the world.
Yep. Should work out pretty well.
rockhauler on October 24, 2008 at 9:07 AM
Biden was pretty bold about his statements yesterday in my hometown when he said that this economic downturn is because of the problem with trickle down economics. seriously…they are destroying our nation. They really want to destroy capitalism. It is frightening to think about.
WHY ARE THEY GETTING AWAY WITH ANYTHING??????????????????????????????? what about this video of the undercover guy in the Weather Underground who asked Ayers and his other PhD chronies what they would do with the die-hard capitalists? KILL THEM. The estimate was about 20000 American people. WHY IS THIS NOT GETTING PRESS AT ALL??????????????
Mommypundit on October 24, 2008 at 9:10 AM
You’ll be able to pick up a couch on eBay. There should be a lot of people an business liquidating during 2009.
So far the government is taking equity in financial institutions. Very different than what Mitterand did in the 80′s. The model we are following now might be closer to Sweden in the 90′s.
dedalus on October 24, 2008 at 9:12 AM
About the Obama network primtime indoctrination film…
IS ANYONE COUNTERING THIS????????????????????????????????????????????? This is an obscenity. Seriously. It is a 3rd world nightmare. Dear Leader doesn’t even begin to describe this level of audacity, hubris and tyranny.
Mommypundit on October 24, 2008 at 9:13 AM
Politicians will never allow capitalism to work because they will keep jumping at the opportunities to “use government to help” in order to get elected.
Grafted on October 24, 2008 at 9:16 AM
Fat chance the country is going to swing libertarian though.
If the federal government was just dismantled and these things were regulated by the states then these problems would at least be contained.
But like I said – fat chance. The socialists have won. Let it burn then we can start over.
angelat0763 on October 24, 2008 at 9:31 AM
“Capitalists” would sell you, me, their mother, Liberty, Free Market Capitalism, and anything else for one good commission check and that’s fine. Liberal Democracy, Democratic Republicanism are systems you can build a society upon. Capitalism is natural philosophy that has it’s place but you cant organize any society we would want to live in on the dog eat dog ethic. If the framers of the Constitution were creating a capitalist government they would not have needed a Constitution and Bill of Rights. A legal contract would have sufficed. The opposite of Socialism is not Capitalism. The opposite of Socialism is Liberty. IMHO
ronsfi on October 24, 2008 at 9:33 AM
They didn’t set up a democracy. They set up a Republic.
I disagree with your theory about capitalists that would sell you their mother to profit, in that there are socialists that would sell out their own mother to advance. The former is illegal, but the latter is encouraged.
angelat0763 on October 24, 2008 at 9:37 AM
I remember a quote from recent Fareed Zkaria article wherein he says, ” This is it folks. This is the big one, the one we have been dreaming about.”
Obamabots and the Left have been dreaming about just such a crisis so that they can worsen it and exploit it for political gain.
promachus on October 24, 2008 at 9:51 AM
Any Capitalist that would not sell his left nut to improve even short term gains should be fired. The point is that you can’t run a Government like a business and business should not be involved in government anymore than religion. And no less. Socialism should be taken out back and shot. So to speak…
ronsfi on October 24, 2008 at 9:56 AM
I was taught in school that FDR and his policies saved the nation and the world from the Great Depression. Massive government programs, protectionism, redistributionism, higher taxation, and all that socialist goodness rescued humanity from its capitalist folly. Of course, my teachers did not actually put it in those terms, but the message was always clear that FDR was the greatest president there ever was, and his policies were the greatest ever enacted. I figured out the socialism and long-term consequences parts myself later on. Most people won’t figure out that FDR’s policies will ultimately completely destroy the nation’s economy when the entitlement chickens come home to roost, and they will certainly call for even more FDR-type government rescue programs as this recession deepens.
Forbes is screaming into the maelstrom. He’s right, and I’m glad he’s sounding the warning, but it won’t make a bit of difference. We’re gonna do this the hard way again.
aero on October 24, 2008 at 10:00 AM
McCain needs to call up Steve Forbes now and ask him to be Treasury secretary. If Forbes is willing to do it, then he needs to have a nationally televised news conference to announce it ASAP.
Vatican Watcher on October 24, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Taxes on creation and deployment on capital have zero appeal…its my biggest difference with obama. However, all regulation is not burdensome…and in many cases regulation can be used to ENSURE innovation and freedom, not stifle it (patent reform, net neutrality).
I agree that in the broad sense capitalism trumps socialism…but there is a gigantic grey area that we happen to live in…where ALL regulation is NOT bad regulation and the occasional tax (like removing subsidies for domestic corn production) can be helpful to the economy.
The government can and does have a responsability to see that the will of the people is exercised within its borders. The bulk of that work should be done with regulatory reform and small, directed taxes to provide incentives to do things the way we want them done.
ernesto on October 24, 2008 at 10:19 AM
We have not had capitalism for a long time in the financial markets. Capitalism works on two basic human instincts — greed and fear. Greed because we like to beat the other guy and gain from the exchange. Fear for if we take too many risks the other guy just my beat us. Well the fear quotient has been gone from the financial markets for at least 20 years. So long as one is big enough not to fail (the Fear) in the eyes of the Pols then there is no downside and the upside (the Greed) becomes infinite.
Capitalism works best when Fear and Greed balance each other out.
Dr. Dog on October 24, 2008 at 10:23 AM
The essence of capitalism is the Right to fail.
This is incentive. One fails. Or, one triumphs. It is all on the individual. Greed itself is not a bad thing. Greed unchecked, or protected by government fiat is a bad thing. Take away that fear of losing, and the market is skewed toward non-performance.
Ask just about anyone if they’d prefer living in a two room fifth floor walk-up in a former industrial part of town or a nice 3k square foot house in the suburbs. If they prefer the house in the suburbs does that make them greedy? Sure. But is this a bad thing? Not at all. Getting from the fifth-floor walk-up to the house in the suburbs through individual effort is based on incentive. Incentive works well in a capitalist economy. But one must work/perform to achieve this goal. Incentive meets the marketplace. Performance engenders achievement. Pretty simple.
If all were promised that same house with little or no effort the market would crumble. Gee…seems it has…since we allowed government to promise that nice house to anyone who could sign a mortgage without the means to pay.
In a socialist economy, there is no incentive for the average worker, only for the leadership and those around them. Greed at work, as well. But good greed or bad greed? One would think that after 75 years of field experience on socialist societies in the former USSR and Eastern Europe it would be easy to see that the less government interference in the market the better the market works. One would also think that following the mortgage/sub-prime market collapse we could at least admit that the basis for that collapse was not greedy Wall Street investors, but greedy politicians and citizens who demanded something for nothing, and convinced a government to give them the means to achieve something for nothing.
coldwarrior on October 24, 2008 at 10:56 AM
IBD has a good look at what will happen if the Dems power grab the 401K money. Have a look at the graph.
Kevin in Washington State on October 24, 2008 at 11:02 AM
On the money. And welcome back.
OldEnglish on October 24, 2008 at 11:18 AM
The Markets will come back. Buying low is good. There are bargains available now which may not be as cheap again in our lifetime. I know it hurts right now, but have faith, friends.
Doug on October 24, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Go to The Mackinac Institute “Myths of the Great Depression” and read who the feds, the Federal Reserve, Hoover and especially FDR destroyed the American economy for decades.
Keep the Fed and Fed Res far away from the economy.
Far, far away.
Amendment X on October 24, 2008 at 11:49 AM
Let’s hope that communist China can continue to afford to buy our debt and keep our economy and government going.
lexhamfox on October 24, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Stever Forbes:
Sarah’s Treasury Secretary in the future?
Sapwolf on October 24, 2008 at 1:38 PM
If anyone existed to oppose the left’s doctrines on the basis of Classical Liberalism, i.e. individual rights, economic science, and a pro-reason, pro-human philosophy, then the fascists on the left would be as ostracized and rare as their racially-motivated goose-stepping ideological cousins. As it is, however, the only opponents to national socialism these days are conservatives. On the rare instances when they do oppose socialist policies (as opposed to “Socialism” proper, which they define as “anything a Democrat wants”), they do so on grounds of religion, tradition, and Reaganomics (an oversimplified version of a parody of a misunderstanding of actual economics). Neither side’s arguments are grounded in facts or logic, but the left does a better job of pretending to be rational.
So long as John McCain, Mike Huckabee, and Sarah Palin are forging Republican economic policy, the free market (and by direct consequence, freedom itself) is doomed. The Republican Party will have to start caring more about the already-born and the yet-to-be-born than the un-born before things turn around.
hicsuget on October 24, 2008 at 1:58 PM
Yeah, good luck with that
Common Sense on October 24, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Sounds good.
But can you trust a guy that never blinks?
I’m still investing….
Kini on October 24, 2008 at 3:51 PM