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McCain supporter maimed for her politics by robber; Update: Hoax

posted at 4:50 pm on October 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Update: Ashley Todd perpetrated a hoax.  We have that in a separate post by Allahpundit.  Be sure to read that in detail, but my overall reaction is that Todd is a very, very disturbed young woman.  — Ed

Original post:

A 20-year-old woman got robbed at an ATM in a Pittsburgh suburb, and normally that would not make national news.  However, her robber wanted to make a political statement as well.  After seeing a McCain bumper sticker on her car, he beat the woman and scratched a “B” into her face:

A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim’s car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter “B” into her face, Richard said.

This is a horrible story, and if it happened as alleged, I hope the man gets life in prison for both the armed robbery and the maiming.  Our prayers go to the woman, who refused medical treatment at the scene, as well as our hopes for a quick and complete recovery.

However, despite the comments popping up in other threads, I don’t think this says anything terribly significant about the election or either candidate.  Criminals aren’t known for their kindness, temperament, or intellect, and this particular criminal sounds like he’s a couple of bricks short of a load even for that crowd.  The initial crime had nothing to do with politics at all, so it’s not an example of partisan thuggery as one would expect some to paint it.

I’m sure that the two campaigns will be sure to reach out to the woman.  Someone will undoubtedly press the Obama campaign for a reaction, and will get the obligatory and emphatic denunciation that everyone would expect.  We have many more important issues to debate, and many more cogent reasons to oppose Barack Obama than the offhand cruelty of one criminal in Pittsburgh.

Update (AP): Good points from Ace. I notice that Drudge has quietly moved the story from blaring red-font banner to upper-lefthand teaser.

Update II (Ed): The woman who was attacked has identified herself as Ashley Todd, who is a College Republican field representative.  Here’s the photo:

It looks like Ashley did get beaten pretty badly, and she does have a ‘B’ scratched into her cheek.  It’s not a rumor.  Hopefully, we’ll get more from the local media as the story develops, or from Ashley herself.

Update III: I agree with people in the comments who say that the beating and maiming were political, and obviously so.  Ashley wouldn’t have that wound on her face otherwise.  What I am saying is that it’s unfair to generalize about Obama supporters based on the actions of one nut.

I would also agree, though, that the media didn’t have any problems doing the same thing to the McCain campaign based on one comment allegedly yelled at a rally, and for that matter, neither did Barack Obama during the last debate.

Update IV: Let’s remember that Bill Gwatney got shot to death in an Arkansas Democratic HQ in June.  It’s dangerous to generalize on partisan lines when discussing one disturbing act of violence.

Update V: Some people are already saying “hoax”; I think that’s unlikely (but still possible).  Thanks to the local news report, we know the attack occurred.  Not too many young women would scar their faces just to create a political hoax.  As for the reversed/upside-down B, all I can tell you is that I got this from a source close to Ashley, who assured me that she wanted to go public (it was also on her Twitter page) and that the photo came directly from her.  It could have gotten reversed on the computer, or the attacker may have had her on the ground with her head upside-down in relation to his.

Update VI: Here’s a video report on the attack from KDKA-TV (via the Newsbusters).

Update VII: I spoke with two executives at the College Republicans on the record about this story.  Charlie Smith, the National Chair, and Ethan Eilon, the Executive Director, both say the photo is legitimate and that it came from Ashley Todd, the victim in this case.  The attack began at 8:50 pm ET and Ashley called the police at 9:30 PM ET. Initially, she was robbed, ran away after the robbery, and the robber followed her to her car.  At that point, he became enraged at the bumper sticker and began beating her and scratched the ‘B’ into her face. Ashley went to the hospital early this morning after initially refusing medical attention last night, and had an MRI and/or a CAT scan. Doctors believe her cheek will heal fully.

Eilon spoke with her personally today about the incident and confirmed the above with me.  He first met Ashley in June, when she came to DC for training with the College Republicans.  She works for them as a contract employee.  She does not work for the McCain campaign.  Both Eilon and Smith expressed revulsion over an attack on a young woman just getting involved in politics, but they consider this the act of a lone lunatic.

I’m not going to blame people for keeping a healthy skepticism on this case, but so far, the two media reports appear to check out.

Update VIII: The police want to administer a polygraph:

Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said.

But:

“We are treating this as a credible report,” he said.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


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Dave:

McCain never said call Obama an Arab, but somehow he blamed McCain when someone else did.

Hypocrite.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM

If the guy was high on drugs,, carving a backward B is not that strange.

JellyToast on October 23, 2008 at 10:22 PM

Yes it would. It would be very strange unless the druggie has a history of similar writing errors. Have you ever written an “S” backwards? Have you done so since the age of 8? Most narcotics are cognitive inhibitors…even the purple Bart Simpsons.

***
It is quite amusing to watch these Jonesers Jones away.

The Race Card on October 23, 2008

Whatever,,, carving a backward B is not that strange. If the guy was on drugs, had a mental illness, had some hallucinations going on,, it really is not that strange. We are talking about an attacker, if this is real, that is mutilating a person. The fact he carved a letter backward means little. The act itself shows a strained mind. The fact he mutilated badly by misspelling or doing it backwards only means he mutilates his victims poorly. If that makes sense.

JellyToast on October 23, 2008 at 11:02 PM

Dave Rywall on October 23, 2008 at 11:00 PM

Just connecting the dots….Get in their face. America is a down right mean nation, chickens coming home to roost, Amerikkka, God dam America, western Pa are a bunch of racist rednecks. All meant to inflame people’s passions. All meant to cry racism to give the black community hatred for the “Man”. yet when that hatred biold over the people inflaming that hatred wants to hide their hands in their pockets and shout who me?

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Bradky:

That is stupid.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM

JFC
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Dave Rywall on October 23, 2008 at 10:54 PM

Very erudite, Dave, very erudite!

But then again, as an Anti-American/Pro-Jihadi Delusional Democratic Traitor Lefitst Nutbag, who supports a lying, empty-suited, fradulent, Communist-born, Marxist-raised, “Taqiyah” practicing Socialist-Muslim, such as Barak HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW), I’m not surprised!

Dale in Atlanta on October 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM

Bradky:

That is stupid absolutely correct. thanks for pointing that out as you have opened my eyes to more than one viewpoint. Appreciate that.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:03 PM

fixed

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM

I guarantee that I can create a scenario in which the details were the same that would cause the opposite response by many readers here. One doesn’t have to think that hard to do it.

The Race Card on October 23, 2008 at 10:47 PM

Some of the readers here also continue to believe that Obama is a Muslim. Some of the readers here consider anyone who doesn’t vote for McCain to be guilty of treason. Some of the readers here think Michelle Malkin is in the tank for Obama.

Some of the readers here are really f**king stupid.

I, and most conservatives I know, work to keep away from double standards. If someone claims to have been assaulted for either reason, I take them at their word. Here in Wisconsin, an Obama supporter was just assaulted when she passed in front of a man’s house. I don’t doubt her word any more than I doubt the word of this woman. If the truth comes out to be the opposite, then so be it. In the meantime, I give the benefit of the doubt to the victim. If the perpetrator shows up and gives his side of the story, I’ll reserve my judgment. Until then, as I said, I would dare any one of these mouthy pricks to call her a liar to her face.

And bradky, so far you’ve mocked the suggestion to exercise second amendment rights and have knowledge of self defense laws as a desire to kill someone. A puddle of used douche could provide more pleasant conversation. Please put your keyboard in front of one, and then go upstairs and thank your mother for your no-rent basement that you’ve occupied for the last 22 years.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM

Go suck on a car’s tailpipe for a couple of hours.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:05 PM

The bravest thing you will ever do is refuse to give money to a homeless man as you shoo him away with your calculator. by the time you get home it will be a tale of how you “drew iron” and made him wet himself.
LOL

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM

Again, I repeat,,
a little overzealous Obama supporter who listened well to the One’s instructions.
1. He got angry.
2. He argued.
3. He got in her face.
4. He wanted the wealth spread around.

JellyToast on October 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM

The ironic thing is that if the situation were reversed the very same people burying their heads in the proverbial sand would be doing photo shop analysis, looking at relatives political orientation, etc. and be truly surprised when someone called them unreasonable.

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:01 PM

The situation is not reversed. I expect the dems to try to bury it, I expect the dems to do photoshop analysis, I expect the dems to look at the victim’s relationships. Why do their job for them. forst rule in any competion you do not give your opponent ammunition to use against you. This is the same thing with GOv Palin. why give the other side fodder for their attacks?

to does not show you are better then them. It just shows you are more stupid then them and easily beat.

Reagan’s 11th commandment should come into play. This lady is telling the truth until she is proven that she is not. and let the dems prove she is not. Our side does not have any responsibility to prove the dems case.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM

Well my dear it was my freshman year in college. I went to a party and some guys put something in my drink and raped me. When I came to, I barely remembered what happened. I was covered with bruises and I did not tell anyone for days. The guys continued to bother me, call me, threaten me. I told my dad that I had fallen down some stairs because I was afraid of what he would do.

After a few days of being harassed by these men I told a male friend who along with a couple of his friends went to the guys who were harassing me, who had hurt me and let them know what would happen if they kept it up.

Now, if you want to call me a liar, go ahead, there is no way I can prove it. But it is interesting to note that Obama supporters tend to be so damn anti female.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 10:51 PM

I’m sorry dear because this is an obviously painful episode. I believe the pain, for you, is real. The event as told, however, sounds phony.

I won’t discuss this further as I believe you to be unwell and I cannot help you. Good luck.

The Race Card on October 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Bradky:

Oh clever.

But your original statement is still stupid.

I tell you what, if you want to talk about trading places, let us imagine the reaction if it was McCain’s campaign which was accepting money from all sorts of people all over the world without even pretending to obey campaign finance laws.

Above the law.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM

HA needs to put this thread into the HA hall of shame.

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Roger that.

Vigilante on October 23, 2008 at 11:10 PM

The bravest thing you will ever do is refuse to give money to a homeless man as you shoo him away with your calculator. by the time you get home it will be a tale of how you “drew iron” and made him wet himself.
LOL

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:07 PM

What is with the accounting crap? Are you imagining me as a prototypical nerd as some demented form of projection? Or are you just scared by big words and defaulting to mockery of intelligence?

Either way, go see how long you can hold your head underwater before you drown. Then hold your head under for that amount of time, plus 10 minutes.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM

The Race Card:

Oh that is nice. An anonymous commenter on a political blog is now passing himself off as a mental health expert and a sort of cyber lie detector. It sounds phoney.

The idea of Obama sitting in Wright’s church and listening to him rave for 20 years without ever hearing anything racist or anti American probably sounds completely reasonable to you though doesn’t it?

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:12 PM

I believe you to be unwell

The Race Card on October 23, 2008 at 11:09 PM

Wow.

Real ballsy, there.

Somehow, I’m not surprised.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM

Terrye: I don’t know whether to completely believe this story yet or not; but I “know” you, and I believe yours.

It’s horrific, and completely unimaginable for any of us.

I’m sorry.

I have three daughters, and I completely can GAURANTEE you; that if any one of them, every went thru that, I personally, would KILL every person responsible!

No IFS, ANDS, or BUTS!

End of Story!

My sincerest apologies.

Dale in Atlanta on October 23, 2008 at 11:14 PM

Unseen – I cannot believe the idiots here that refuse to accept the fact that the Obama Thugocracy HAS IN FACT called for class warfare. His entire PLATFORM is class warfare. If you have money, you are a white devil, jsut ask Jeremiah Wright, and Obama is going to come take it and give it to someone who doesn’t have a job, so that’s what the guy at the ATM did, and then he carved a B in the girls face to show her why he was justified in doing it. Obama said to get in her face, Murtha says PA is racist, CNN is calling for riots if Obama loses, and Obama hasn’t denounced a single violent act up to this point. Not.One.Word. I cannot believe what I am reading here.

TerryE – same story here, EXACTLY, except no follow up by my attackers. My attack was in 1983, I had no idea what GHB was, I don’t think they even called it that back then. But the idiots that are calling us liars don’t get that it’s because of THEM that we don’t report. Like we’re really PROUD that this happened to us, oh yeah, badge of honor, wasn’t it, let’s see – we told NO ONE because we wouldn’t be believed, we never pressed charges because we wouldn’t be believed, and we never named names because WE would have been victimized by the court system all over again, and the charges would not have stuck because we didn’t resist because we were drugged. Just like the people here that automatically scream LIAR LIAR, that’s exactly what would have happened in the courtroom, so of course we didn’t press charges. You can only press charges if you have a confession, have it on video, or have semen. Without that, unless you’re black and accuse white men of the crime, you will be humiliated. Just look at the response you got here tonight when you made your statement not to get sympathy, but just to make a point that victims don’t want to report right away.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Madison:

Oh yeah, he is brave. I must be unwell, because as we all know real people never get raped. Oh no, those things only happen in books or movies or crime shows on TV. It is not as if one would actually encounter someone who had an experience like that. It must be a sad little fantasy.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:15 PM

Sadly not many people get it. They thing this is Kerry or clinton we are dealing with not Chevez or Lenin.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Dale:

I was afraid my Dad would do just that. And then he would go to jail. I felt like it was my fault for going to the party in the first place.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM

should be think not thing

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM

My cousin was raped in front of her 2 year old son. Rapes happen. those that think otherwise are beyond stupid.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 10:51 PM

I can’t express my condolences enough. I’m sorry for every one of the eunuchs at this site who try to create some faux position of high ground by immediately calling hoax on a vicious crime. What is important is that you came through your ordeal stronger than you were before it. Always remember that every guy here, including me, is some jackass on the internet. Their desire to act tough around women is indicative of their own inability to even speak to women out of fear in real life. I wish you the best.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Again, I repeat,,
a little overzealous Obama supporter who listened well to the One’s instructions.

4. He wanted the wealth spread around.

JellyToast on October 23, 2008 at 11:08 PM

That is true. He decided not to wait for his Obama redistribution check, he decided he would get it sooner, or become the Government himself and extract it from the lady in Pittsburgh.

WoosterOh on October 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Terrye – the kind of people that scream LIAR LIAR are the ones that don’t take no for an answer.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:19 PM

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:16 PM

Some people never experience life at all, so it’s all television or movies or internet to them. They’re not in the real world anyway, so no point in fretting over their scripted lines.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:21 PM

JustTruth:

I wonder how many young women have had this happen to them at parties or on dates? No, it is no badge of honor. And it never really goes away.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:21 PM

Somebody needs to close comments on this thread. Things have gone way off the rails.

DFCtomm on October 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM

Madison:

Like I said, it was a long time and the truth is the thing that stay with you the most is the difficulty trusting people. The fear of being used.

But as for this girl, I realize that this could be a hoax. I am not naive. I have seen people do some really strange things over the years so not much surprises me.

But I think we should give her the benefit of the doubt for now. If it is not true, that will come out in time.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Somebody needs to close comments on this thread. Things have gone way off the rails.

DFCtomm on October 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM

idiot

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I was afraid my Dad would do just that. And then he would go to jail. I felt like it was my fault for going to the party in the first place.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:18 PM

No Terrye, it wasnt’ your fault…ever!

I was in Penn State; I had spent my first 3 years in college, at the American University in Cairo, Egypt, and I came back to PSU, because my Dad, my Brother, my Aunt, and my best friend had all graduated from there.

Anyway, it was in ‘83 too; went to a party one night in a house down near the main campus; I was a kind of a loner in college, I had my own apartment, I worked fulltime, my older brother lived with me as a roomate, and we just didn’t get into the whole college scene; when I wasn’t working, I was in Kung Fu Class or Taekwondo Class and that was it.

Anyway, one night, I said what the heck, and went to this party I heard about.

I walked into the living room, and there was this girl sitting there, from one of my classes; I saw her, and she was being really, really, really harassed by two guys, I mean it was really, really blatant and bad.

I thought at first, she might not mind it, but I looked at her closely, and I could tell, she was just completely intimidated, and didn’t know what to do; so I walked over and tapped her on the shoulder, while at the same time, nudging these two guys out of the way.

She looked up at me, and got the most relieved look on her face, shouted “Dale” and literally jumped up and latched onto my neck.

I just carried her out of the room, and said, you are drunk, these guys are going to try something, you need to get out of here now!

She said, yes, yes, your right, they’ve been bothering me all night, and I can’t get away from them.

So I said, okay, I got you out, now go home.

She said okay, and took off.

I downed a beer, decided it wasn’t my scene, and as I was leaving, I saw her saw her walk around to another door, go back into the party, and thru the window, I saw her walk right back up to one of the guys that had been bothering the hell out of her, and sit down on his lap and put her arms around his neck!

I thought, you know, she’s crazy, I did my part, and left.

Don’t know what happened to her, but it wasn’t good.

Anyway, my point is, I tell my daughters, you may be the “victim” in a case like that, but don’t EVER give any jackass guy the “excuse”.

That said; it wasn’t your fault, ever. My wife is the victim of an attempted rape; but by a freak chance, she got away at the last second, but its something she never forgets either.

We’re very careful with our daughters, and hopefully, schooling them correctly!

Dale in Atlanta on October 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM

unseen:

I know what you mean about Obama. If this was Clinton, I would still want to win, but I would not be so afraid of losing. There is just something so profoundly wrong about Obama.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM

well at least some in the rep media gets it:

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2008/10/021862.php

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Terrye: Exactly…I don’t understand why people scream liar when we don’t tell anyone about it! But man if you bring it up later, not to press charges, but as you did, to state how you understand why the victim would not want to press charges, that you know from first hand experience that crime victims have no greater need then to flee the crime scene and get to someplace where they can feel safe, then it seems to me that bolsters the argument that it was reasonable that the woman wanted to go home and not get medical treatment right away.

She looks like she’s short in stature, and her assailant was 6′4″. Not only was she robbed, her face was carved. And the compassionate conservatives here cannot understand why she would want to get away from the scene.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:29 PM

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM

yes it is a feeling i will admit. But a feeling based on evidence. Something is not right about Obama. This trip to Hawaii just fills so wrong on so many levels. His entire campaign feels like the work of our enemies. It feels like a takeover form inside. why i don’t know. It may just be the fact that pravda is working morning noon and night for the pone but something feels wrong.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM

She looks like she’s short in stature, and her assailant was 6′4″. Not only was she robbed, her face was carved. And the compassionate conservatives here cannot understand why she would want to get away from the scene.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:29 PM

You lost me. Dave R and bradky are compassionate conservatives? Were you being facetious?

Y-not on October 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM

Dale:

That girl was probably looking for something and it got her into trouble. Bad judgment and alcohol, a lethal combination. But you tried to be the good guy. That is what you want someone to be for your daughters.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:32 PM

upinak on October 23, 2008 at 7:59 PM

Kirkland is fairly liberal, but if you really want liberal, head over to Fremont.

Or not. : )

I’ve shopped in that Costco. I can’t believe that happened to you over a flag shirt! Good grief.

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Y-not: I was being sarcastic about the compassionate conservatives. I know drywall is a troll, is bradky a troll also?

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:34 PM

JustTruth:

I think there is also some unreality to the whole thing after something bad happens to people. She probably knew she was hurt, but not that bad and just wanted to get out of there.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:34 PM

Somebody needs to close comments on this thread. Things have gone way off the rails.

DFCtomm on October 23, 2008 at 11:24 PM

idiot

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:26 PM

I really didn’t need any further proof, but that comment will do just fine.

DFCtomm on October 23, 2008 at 11:35 PM

I know what you mean about Obama. If this was Clinton, I would still want to win, but I would not be so afraid of losing. There is just something so profoundly wrong about Obama.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:28 PM

It’s simple, Terrye. Who would you trust more with America, a crook, or an idealist? With Hillary we know how the devil works. With Barry it is a crap game.

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Bad judgment and alcohol, a lethal combination,,,

That’s what I said when Brittany Spears had her 48hr Las Vegas “wedding”.

Mix equal parts alcohol, THC, silicone (Brittany’s tatas); peroxide (her hair), and throw it into a natual vaccum (her feaking head!); and you have an extremely dangerous and explosive combination…..

Dale in Atlanta on October 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Another black-on-white hate crime reported as “oddly enough.”

Double standards = injustice

indythinker on October 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM

Dale:

No kidding. Britney Spears is living proof that money can’t fix everything. Screwed up girl.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:38 PM

http://kdka.com/politics/McCain.Campaign.Worker.2.847449.html

video from kda with details

watch all three segments just let it play

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:38 PM

Terrye – yes, if a victim doesn’t have the ability to cope with the trauma, one very effective coping mechanism is to simply deny the reality of what just happened. Effective, of course, only during the first 12-24 hours, the absolute most important time to gather forensic evidence. The victim’s need to convince herself that everything is ok, is going to be ok, to return to normalcy and the behaviors associated with that are one of the main reasons why perp’s get away with it.

Also, like you, I’m not saying that I know what happened to this young woman at the ATM, but I will not call her a liar until I hear evidence that she is one, unlike a lot of the commenters here.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:39 PM

But as for this girl, I realize that this could be a hoax. I am not naive. I have seen people do some really strange things over the years so not much surprises me.

But I think we should give her the benefit of the doubt for now. If it is not true, that will come out in time.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:25 PM

Bingo. I’m not ruling out a hoax, but until there is hard evidence to prove it as such, some people need to quit getting their kicks on crying foul.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:39 PM

I really didn’t need any further proof, but that comment will do just fine.

DFCtomm on October 23, 2008 at 11:35 PM

glad you are starting to see the light. first rule of a problem is admit you have a problem

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Limberick:

Yes, the devil we know. We survived the Clintons once, we could do it again.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Gov Palin over filled an entire high school football staduim tonight in beaver country. the place holds about 10,000 people.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:45 PM

It’s simple, Terrye. Who would you trust more with America, a crook, or an idealist? With Hillary we know how the devil works. With Barry it is a crap game.

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 11:36 PM

He’s no idealist. He’s a quick study who took to Chicago politics like a fish to water. They’re both crooks.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:45 PM

That’s not a tetanus-prone wound.

mikeyboss on October 23, 2008 at 10:18 PM

And in any case, don’t you only need a tetanus shot every ten years? Did she say she hadn’t had one?

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 11:45 PM

that’s in PA western Pa the redneck capital

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:45 PM

Just wait until this young woman talks tomorrow. I’m sure the MSM will be willing to go through all of her tax records, school transcripts, associations etc. I hope she’s ready to be victimized by Obama’s minions in the media.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 10:17 PM

You’re a f’ing idiot.

Oink on October 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM

watch the entire event at this webpage:

http://kdka.com/politics/McCain.Campaign.Worker.2.847449.html

[pick the video with her face on it. it is about 32 minutes long

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Yes, the devil we know. We survived the Clintons once, we could do it again.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM

Terrye, the Clintons, aside from being Anti-American, Anti-Semitic, and Anti-Military as well as Socialist to their core; at least had a Republican Congress to keep them in check!

IF Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW) wins, and gains the Supra-Majority in both houses of Congress, as looks likely now, we are in DEEP Do-Do. Barak HUSSEIN Obama (PBUH)(SWT)(SAW) is the most Anti-American, Anti-Semitic, Anti-White Racist Marxist/Socialist Candidate, to get into US Presidential Poltics, in our history.

And he’s done it by completely, with the enabling of the MSM, lying and obfruscating his past, and his orientations. In other words, he has mastered the art of “Taqiyah“, and it just MIGHT take him all the way to the Oval Office….God Forbid!

Dale in Atlanta on October 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM

But a feeling based on evidence. Something is not right about Obama. This trip to Hawaii just fills so wrong on so many levels. His entire campaign feels like the work of our enemies. It feels like a takeover form inside. why i don’t know. It may just be the fact that pravda is working morning noon and night for the pone but something feels wrong.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:31 PM

ANNOUNCER IN OMINOUS VOICE: It is 3 A.M. Do you Know Where Your Tinfoil is?

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:47 PM

You’re a f’ing idiot.

Oink on October 23, 2008 at 11:46 PM

Whatever. you want to lose. I don’t. Live with it while Obama wipes out your 401k, ups your taxes and stuffs the ballot box. but you know you will have your…..what…your character in tack. Get a life.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:48 PM

“Backwards “B”"? If he was standing over her looking down at her face, her legs, the “B” would be backwards when he carved/scrathed her face. Turn her picture upside down and see the view he would have had.

Amendment X on October 23, 2008 at 11:49 PM

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:47 PM

tinfoil? possibly but with Pelosi, reid and Obama and a filibuster free Senate the consitution is not off limits. the 22nd amendment on the table, the 2nd amendment on the table, gutting the military on the table. Obama is not Clinton. that is fact and that is truth. What that means? who knows but I will rather not find out.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM

ANNOUNCER IN OMINOUS VOICE: It is 3 A.M. Do you Know Where Your Tinfoil is?

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:47 PM

No, but we know where our obnoxious troll is.

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:50 PM

Is this your first election or what? Recommend you do some reading on just how the constitution is amended.

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Speaking of tinfoil Bradky I have been listening to deranged lefties accuse Bush and other Republicans of planning 9/11, lying us into war in spite of the Clinton administration’s saber rattling via Iraq for years, of causing hurricanes and letting thousands die, or if you believe McKinney murdering thousands in Louisiana… and on and on. I hope you guys like the world you created. After all, if Obama wins then there is no reason not to use the same tactics.

I think I will blame the collapse of Wall Street on him. Yes, he planned it. After all, who benefits?

hmmmmmm.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 11:53 PM

Aw shucks piggie. Didn’t know you cared ;)

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

You know, it just hit me. Those that say it is a hoax, are in some ways, also a hoax. WHAT?

Look, if you think she was attacked, you dont become famous, but if you are the first to say it was a hoax, and scream the loudest, you become famous as the one who saw through the hoax.

So, if you claim a hoax every time, you will be right a percentage of the time, and if you are wrong, you just say how you are sorry and move along till you can hoax your next hoax.

I think some are becoming professional hoaxsters.

WoosterOh on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

I don’t think there’s anything strange about thinking something just isn’t right about Obama.

How many people do you know who have befriended someone whose organization sat around trying to carve up the United States for communist countries to control, and contemplated how they were going to murder all the unrepentant capitalists who just wouldn’t get their minds right?

I’ll say something “just isn’t right” about Obama.

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 11:56 PM

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Odd.. I voted for Bush – both times. So when you try to apply your weak critical analysis skills you come off looking a little silly.

the thing that just sticks in your craw is I am not a slavish lapdog saying “conservative is holy this is my mantra and no other opinions can I hear”… you know kind of like your cousins at Dkos…

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:58 PM

Terrye, I’m sorry to hear about what you’ve been through, but “unseen” and others are trolls.

Obviously the girl was hit, but I think we should wait until a thorough investigation is done because sometimes things are NOT what they appear to be. It’s really too bad that this girl’s plight has gone viral.

Somewhere in these comments, unseen suggested we should have played this for all it’s worth because it would have taken the media too long to figure it out. I’d like to think we’re STILL more ethical than that. Quite revealing to how the other side thinks.

If it is determined that the girl is a victim of a hate crime based on her being a McCain supporter, then the WORLD should be outraged, but we can’t act like mob rule. Let’s just quit interacting with the pathetic trolls.

Oink on October 23, 2008 at 11:59 PM

Well look at that what that kid who hacked into Palin’s email account did. That was a crime, that was identity theft. He was a Democrat. Did anyone care? No, they were more worried about Palin’s wardrobe.

But we are supposed to think there is nothing strange about this campaign.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:00 AM

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 11:56 PM

You are so right capitalist pig! I think there’s something dangerously wrong about him.

Oink on October 24, 2008 at 12:00 AM

Oink:

You can disagree with unseen, but she is no troll. Not at all. Been here a long time.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM

Is this your first election or what? Recommend you do some reading on just how the constitution is amended.

Bradky on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

Quick tell me how many states are democratic controlled?

15 at the moment. 10 rep the rest are divided that means getting 38 states is doable. If the dem coattails extend to the states this nov it is very doable.

with a dem controlled congress a two thirds congress is not impossible. the senate needs 66 votes. do you thing 6 senators can not be bribed with pork for their votes? the house might be a little bit harder but if Pelosi is right they will only need arond 30 addtional votes.

So tell me again how “hard” it will be.

For those that don’t understand the above maybe this will help:

Congress proposes amendments.
As is the case with the flag burning amendment, both houses of Congress approve by two-thirds votes a resolution calling for the amendment. The resolution does not require the president’s signature. To become effective, the proposed amendment must then be “ratified” or approved by the legislatures of three-fourths of the states. Congress typically places a time limit of seven years for ratification by the states

unseen on October 24, 2008 at 12:01 AM

One observation about victims of sexual abuse and rape. The self-doubt and self-blame are the most torturous and lasting after affects. For a person to emerge well-adjusted after enduring a few years of this is a remarkable and admirable feat.

Survivors do tend to refer to the events in a matter-of-fact way that seems incongruous with the trauma. That’s because the most devastating emotion of all, shame, has been borne, relived and suffered, yet the survivor has ultimately chosen to rejoin humanity rather than wield the details like a good little victim.

Slander that their words signal “well oiled lies” can hardly damage a survivor of this type after everything they have been through. Self-healing of the kind required by these people takes distinct and triumphant courage.

Tonight, I am Joe. I am Ashley. I am Terrye.

One thing this male is learning from this thread….it is no wonder the some women don’t want to report being attacked.

HA needs to put this thread into the HA hall of shame.

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 10:50 PM

Yep.

RushBaby on October 24, 2008 at 12:02 AM

Bradky:

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. I was talking about tinfoil stuff, so I don’t know where the fact that you voted for Bush fits into that. If you did. I think you are full of it myself.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:03 AM

Why are Palin’s clothes an unjustifiable campaign expense and Obama’s greek columns a justifiable expense? Will the columns be recycled or put into a landfill? Are they good for any other purpose? Will they be reused? At least Palin could have kept the clothes until JM made the dumb statement that she would give them to charity after the campaign. That’s just stupid, why the hell should she give them away? I’ve contributed to the McCain campaign, and I think it would be stupid for her to give the clothes away.

JustTruth101 on October 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM

BTW, Bradky, I am a center right kind of gal, most of the people here would probably say I was not conservative enough. I still think Obama is off, wrong, strange, call it intuition or call me a liar or a kook, I don’t care.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:07 AM

I am telling you, somewhere it said she took the photo of herself. She likely took it looking into a mirror, as 99% of those who take photos of themselves do, so there is why the B is reversed.

Can I now be famous and have my own blog?

WoosterOh on October 24, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Rushbaby:

Thank you.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:08 AM

Speaking of tinfoil Bradky I have been listening to deranged lefties accuse Bush and other Republicans of planning 9/11, lying us into war in spite of the Clinton administration’s saber rattling via Iraq for years, of causing hurricanes and letting thousands die, or if you believe McKinney murdering thousands in Louisiana… and on and on. I hope you guys like the world you created. After all, if Obama wins then there is no reason not to use the same tactics.
I think I will blame the collapse of Wall Street on him. Yes, he planned it. After all, who benefits?

hmmmmmm.

Terrye on October 23, 2008 at 11:54 PM

A classic symptom of diarrhea of the keyboard is when you can’t remember what you said in the last ten minutes.

I was talking about tinfoil stuff, so I don’t know where the fact that you voted for Bush fits into that. If you did. I think you are full of it myself.Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:03 AM

focus grasshopper

Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 12:10 AM

Bradky:

I do consider you part of that world. It is the same kind of silly, hysterical, finger pointing nonsense that both the far left and right have used for years to get what they want.

Have you ever noticed how little difference there is between a Paulbot and a Koskid?

The tactics are the same.

So the fact that you tell me you voted for Bush does not mean a damn thing to me.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:15 AM

Why are Palin’s clothes an unjustifiable campaign expense and Obama’s greek columns a justifiable expense?
JustTruth101 on October 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM

Because they don’t think she deserves it, but they think he does. It’s very unsettling, much like this whole thread tonight. It all gives me such a sick feeling in my stomach. Either way, whether she’s faking or not, it’s disturbing.

sheesh on October 24, 2008 at 12:16 AM

sheesh:

Yes.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:18 AM

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:15 AM

And the fact that you are acting exactly like a Kos Kid says volumes. You argue like Obama – get proved wrong and you dodge to the left or right claiming you were “really uh uh right because uh well I am.”

focus grasshopper.

Bradky on October 24, 2008 at 12:21 AM

I am not a grasshopper.

A commenter makes a point about her concern of an Obama presidency with a Democratic filibuster proof majority and you ridicule here with some snarky comment about tinfoil hats…and then you say you voted for Bush and now you are calling me a Kos kid.

You are just all over the place. The only thing that remains the same in any of your posts is your attitude toward other posters. Nasty.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:28 AM

Wow.

Real ballsy, there.

Somehow, I’m not surprised.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 11:13 PM

I am not “ballsy.” I take no delight nor does it pain me to speak openly. I am not unkind or without empathy. I’ve suffered as we all have at the hands of someone else. I just think she is lying.

If I’m wrong, it won’t be the first or the last of such instances. I think people are better knowing me for my true self, flair, flaws and all.

If I’m a little harsh, yeah well so is jock itch. And like jock itch, I can be bothersome to most nutbags.

The Race Card on October 24, 2008 at 12:30 AM

The Race Card:

By she, do you mean me or this girl?

If you mean, me eff you. I mean that sincerely. There is no way I can prove anything of course, therefor you can call me anything you want.

But to do so anonymously really is a cowardly thing to do. Especially since you do not know the truth yourself.

And I never ask you or anyone for anything.

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:33 AM

I am telling you, somewhere it said she took the photo of herself. She likely took it looking into a mirror, as 99% of those who take photos of themselves do, so there is why the B is reversed.

Can I now be famous and have my own blog?

WoosterOh on October 24, 2008 at 12:07 AM

Citing imaginary stats now are we? Oh yeah, remember to tell all of those people I see taking self portraits not in front of a mirror that they are not relevant to your stats.

The Race Card on October 24, 2008 at 12:36 AM

glad you are starting to see the light. first rule of a problem is admit you have a problem

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 11:40 PM

I savor the irony of that comment.

DFCtomm on October 24, 2008 at 12:36 AM

Terrye on October 24, 2008 at 12:33 AM

I’m only as anonymous as your claim.

The Race Card on October 24, 2008 at 12:36 AM

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