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McCain supporter maimed for her politics by robber; Update: Hoax

posted at 4:50 pm on October 23, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Update: Ashley Todd perpetrated a hoax.  We have that in a separate post by Allahpundit.  Be sure to read that in detail, but my overall reaction is that Todd is a very, very disturbed young woman.  — Ed

Original post:

A 20-year-old woman got robbed at an ATM in a Pittsburgh suburb, and normally that would not make national news.  However, her robber wanted to make a political statement as well.  After seeing a McCain bumper sticker on her car, he beat the woman and scratched a “B” into her face:

A 20-year-old woman who was robbed at an ATM in Bloomfield was also maimed by her attacker, police said.

Pittsburgh police spokeswoman Diane Richard tells Channel 4 Action News that the victim was robbed at knifepoint on Wednesday night outside of a Citizens Bank near Liberty Avenue and Pearl Street just before 9 p.m.

Richard said the robber took $60 from the woman, then became angry when he saw a McCain bumper sticker on the victim’s car. The attacker then punched and kicked the victim, before using the knife to scratch the letter “B” into her face, Richard said.

This is a horrible story, and if it happened as alleged, I hope the man gets life in prison for both the armed robbery and the maiming.  Our prayers go to the woman, who refused medical treatment at the scene, as well as our hopes for a quick and complete recovery.

However, despite the comments popping up in other threads, I don’t think this says anything terribly significant about the election or either candidate.  Criminals aren’t known for their kindness, temperament, or intellect, and this particular criminal sounds like he’s a couple of bricks short of a load even for that crowd.  The initial crime had nothing to do with politics at all, so it’s not an example of partisan thuggery as one would expect some to paint it.

I’m sure that the two campaigns will be sure to reach out to the woman.  Someone will undoubtedly press the Obama campaign for a reaction, and will get the obligatory and emphatic denunciation that everyone would expect.  We have many more important issues to debate, and many more cogent reasons to oppose Barack Obama than the offhand cruelty of one criminal in Pittsburgh.

Update (AP): Good points from Ace. I notice that Drudge has quietly moved the story from blaring red-font banner to upper-lefthand teaser.

Update II (Ed): The woman who was attacked has identified herself as Ashley Todd, who is a College Republican field representative.  Here’s the photo:

It looks like Ashley did get beaten pretty badly, and she does have a ‘B’ scratched into her cheek.  It’s not a rumor.  Hopefully, we’ll get more from the local media as the story develops, or from Ashley herself.

Update III: I agree with people in the comments who say that the beating and maiming were political, and obviously so.  Ashley wouldn’t have that wound on her face otherwise.  What I am saying is that it’s unfair to generalize about Obama supporters based on the actions of one nut.

I would also agree, though, that the media didn’t have any problems doing the same thing to the McCain campaign based on one comment allegedly yelled at a rally, and for that matter, neither did Barack Obama during the last debate.

Update IV: Let’s remember that Bill Gwatney got shot to death in an Arkansas Democratic HQ in June.  It’s dangerous to generalize on partisan lines when discussing one disturbing act of violence.

Update V: Some people are already saying “hoax”; I think that’s unlikely (but still possible).  Thanks to the local news report, we know the attack occurred.  Not too many young women would scar their faces just to create a political hoax.  As for the reversed/upside-down B, all I can tell you is that I got this from a source close to Ashley, who assured me that she wanted to go public (it was also on her Twitter page) and that the photo came directly from her.  It could have gotten reversed on the computer, or the attacker may have had her on the ground with her head upside-down in relation to his.

Update VI: Here’s a video report on the attack from KDKA-TV (via the Newsbusters).

Update VII: I spoke with two executives at the College Republicans on the record about this story.  Charlie Smith, the National Chair, and Ethan Eilon, the Executive Director, both say the photo is legitimate and that it came from Ashley Todd, the victim in this case.  The attack began at 8:50 pm ET and Ashley called the police at 9:30 PM ET. Initially, she was robbed, ran away after the robbery, and the robber followed her to her car.  At that point, he became enraged at the bumper sticker and began beating her and scratched the ‘B’ into her face. Ashley went to the hospital early this morning after initially refusing medical attention last night, and had an MRI and/or a CAT scan. Doctors believe her cheek will heal fully.

Eilon spoke with her personally today about the incident and confirmed the above with me.  He first met Ashley in June, when she came to DC for training with the College Republicans.  She works for them as a contract employee.  She does not work for the McCain campaign.  Both Eilon and Smith expressed revulsion over an attack on a young woman just getting involved in politics, but they consider this the act of a lone lunatic.

I’m not going to blame people for keeping a healthy skepticism on this case, but so far, the two media reports appear to check out.

Update VIII: The police want to administer a polygraph:

Police planned to administer a polygraph test to Ashley Todd, 20, because her statements about the attack conflict with evidence from the Citizens Bank ATM where she claims the incident occurred, police said.

But:

“We are treating this as a credible report,” he said.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.


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Ed,
I am disappointed in you! You want to wed two independent crimes into one so you can avoid labeling it political thuggery meant to intimidate people … which is precisely what the second crime is.

LCL4 on October 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

I live in the O.C., traditionally the most reliably Republican county in the U.S. Less than 48 hours after putting a McCain-Palin sign in our front window, our house was egged and someone poured a milky substance all over my vehicle. Partisan vandalism — it’s what’s for breakfast.

Terrie on October 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

I’m sick of being told we can’t ask about Barack Obama’s non-existent birth certificate, secret medical medicals, actual birth place, citizenship status, aspects of his religious belief, drug use, and the inspiration that Obama gives to criminals.

If anyone has failed McCain, it is McCain and the conservative pundits who hold people back from getting at the truth.

Now we have a nice young woman who has been physically attacked by the barbaric grotesqueries of the angry left.

Time to stand up and fight.

We need a Braveheart moment.

indythinker on October 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Obama is the White Collar edition of this Blue Collar Crime.

He was friends with a trust fund baby who tried to blow up Army sweethearts with a pipe bomb. He directs people to shut down defense and uses Missouri Cops to silence any who might oppose him.

Obama is a thug just like the guy who pulled this off, except he gets gullible fools to call him a first class intellect and temperament when he’s nothing more than a Niebuhr quoting robot.

The difference between Obama and this guy is nothing more than political connections and an unyeilding thirst for power.

BKennedy on October 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

As a McCain supporter I am beginning to feel like a Christian in Iraq or China at the moment.

Change, We Don’t Need!

FireBlogger on October 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Obama said to “get in their faces”. I know he did not intend violence, but did he ever ONCE ask for it to stop? When Obama supporters were laughing about pointing a gun at Sarah Palin’s head in the museaum, did he call for it to stop? Did he denounce the stealing of the signs or the shooting out of windows at hosues that had McCain signs? Did the media ONCE ever state how bad it was getting? NO NO NO and NO.

Will Obama vote present on THIS, too? Does he have enough courage to tell his worshippers to stop?

A 20-year-old. Mutilated because Obama won’t control his lunatics. He IS inciting this, the MEDIA is inciting this by lying about the polls and calling for riots. Jack Murtha is throwing fuel on the fire, too, by saying if Obama doesn’t win it’s because PA is racist.

He carved a B in the face of a 20-year-old. Will Obama ask for it to stop? Will he? If not, maybe he WANTS us to be scared. Jeremiah Wright goes, he talks about “rich white people” doesn’t he? About what “white man’s greed runs a world in need” – let’s hear Obama tell his supporters to calm down Just don’t hold your breath.

The whole point of the Obama Thugocracy is to intimidate into silence by any means necessary.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Great minds …. well you know the rest.

Harpoon on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

I did not see the update prior to posting my above comment.

I still stand by the comments re: blaming Obama for this crime.

I’m sure more detail is coming.

RDuke on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

There’s an option d)it was carved when she was on the ground. If he was standing at her head (facing her feet), the B would have been ‘right side up’ to him.

JadeNYU on October 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM

True, but that’s not an easy position to restrain someone in. Forensic investigators would be able to determine which direction the B was carved in – that is, if she accepts it.

Big S on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Ok guys….once again….

B

Now stand on your head and look at it.

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

The “B” is backwards. The leftist nuts will immediately say that she did this in a mirror. Mark my words.

Mark1971 on October 23, 2008 at 5:00 PM
The “B” is up side down. He probably did it as he was standing over her.

Harpoon on October 23, 2008 at 5:06 PM

Maybe he went to public school in Chicago….

HornetSting on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Not Terrorism in any way…….not intended to send a message…..not meant to instill fear

nope

Dpet on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

The “B” doesn’t look like it was made with a knife. It looks like it was done with a finger nail.

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Look people, the only way we can get rid of conservatives and their hate and prejudice is with hate and prejudice and violence.

Riposte on October 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM

nice. what next? someone there to break ones arm if they mark the wrong thing on the ballot?

johnnyU on October 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM

I bought a shotgun, cause I ain’t playin

Mercy4Me on October 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM

What, pray tell, is going on this these United States, what?

foxone on October 23, 2008 at 5:04 PM

A violent attempt at revolution.

Arm yourself, be aware, and most importantly learn what the laws of your state are regarding self-defense.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 5:10 PM

True, but that’s not an easy position to restrain someone in. Forensic investigators would be able to determine which direction the B was carved in – that is, if she accepts it.

Big S on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

And sitting on top of the woman while not having a free hand to restrain her arms (since you need one for the face and one for the knife) is a better position??`

YellowDawg on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Maybe he went to public school in Chicago….

HornetSting on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

+1

hoosiermama on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

OMG, are you people idiots? Why the hell would he stand over her arms where she could hit him back?

My guess, if this is the scenario? He’d had her sufficiently beaten where he wasn’t worried about her hitting back. That way he had time to carve her up without risking her doing something to interrupt.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

How long before the media splashes her facebook across the TV. Or maybe they will dig up some “old boyfriend” to trash her. Just wait, those thugs will do it.

bloggless on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

That “B” was NOT made with a knife.

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

probably standing over her while she was laying on ground

jp on October 23, 2008 at 5:02 PM

That’s what I was thinking as well.

Plus, it’s just too neat for it to be something she did to herself.

Esthier on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face,” he said.

“And if they tell you that, ‘Well, we’re not sure where he stands on guns.’ I want you to say, ‘He believes in the Second Amendment.’ If they tell you, ‘Well, he’s going to raise your taxes,’ you say, ‘No, he’s not, he’s going lower them.’ You are my ambassadors. You guys are the ones who can make the case.”

Just putting the “get in their faces” quote in context. It’s overly clear he means for people to TALK with Republicans and respond to false charges.

Meanwhile, you have Palin saying Obama pals around with terrorists and the RNC putting out fliers that end with, quote:

Islamic extremists want our laws changed, our culture destroyed and our families converted. We don’t. Barack Obama. Not who he says he is.

By the way, McCain said he was proud of this flier. That’s the kind of stuff that incites people to angrily call Obama a terrorist. It’s despicable.

Tom_Shipley on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

True, but that’s not an easy position to restrain someone in. Forensic investigators would be able to determine which direction the B was carved in – that is, if she accepts it.

Big S on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

I don’t know whether this is a hoax or not, but I will say that a 20 year-old young woman who has just been robbed at knifepoint (do I have my facts right?) could very well opt not to resist the guy.

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

I would also agree, though, that the media didn’t have any problems doing the same thing to the McCain campaign based on one comment allegedly yelled at a rally, and for that matter, neither did Barack Obama during the last debate.

Why haven’t you guys(Ed or AP) highlighted this yet?

The Death-Threat Debate

http://www.newsweek.com/id/164512/output/print

even before Obama cited “reports” of the threats at the debate, the U.S. Secret Service had told media outlets, including NEWSWEEK, that it was unable to corroborate accounts of the “kill him” remarks—and according to a law-enforcement official, who asked for anonymity when discussing a political matter, the Obama campaign knew as much. Now some officials are disgruntled that Obama gave added credence to the threat by mentioning it in front of 60 million viewers. At this point in the campaign, said one, candidates will “say anything to make a particular point.”

ninjapirate on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

The “B” doesn’t look like it was made with a knife. It looks like it was done with a finger nail.

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Yes, I’m sure after punching herself, she decided to scratch out a B in the mirror, because she’s too stupid to realize how easi;ly that could be done or she had no access to a simple key or safety pin.

YellowDawg on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Look, I know this *could* be a hoax, but it would be a pretty elaborate one. Who would get themselves punched in the face and file a friggin’ police report for a political stunt? That is not the most likely explanation.

I think it’s an odd state of affairs when Republicans have to “defend” their nominee over her (borrowed) wardrobe, when our candidate feels it necessary to compliment his opponent in order to calm down his supposedly angry, racist supporters, and when every word uttered by a conservative that is vaguely critical of Obama is parsed and analyzed for traces of racism…

…but we (and I include Ace here) essentially besmirch the reputation of this young McCain supporter by saying that the report is “suspicious” and very likely untrue.

I’m not saying to lose perspective here — I very much doubt that Obama or Biden or even one of their staffers directed this mugger’s actions (just as I know McCain and Palin cannot control verbal outbursts about Islam from citizens at their rallies) — but let’s not be so cowed by the left that we automatically assume this story cannot be true.

I think the most likely explanation is that she went home because the injuries were superficial so she did not want to subject herself to the insane scrutiny and vicious attacks that Joe the Plumber has had to endure. She was traumatized and wanted to go home. Lots of women victims of violent crimes feel that way.

I’m angry for this young woman, but I’m particularly angry that we have become so cowed by the left that we risk smearing our own party members (hey, girl, if you were really hurt — prove it!) to avoid seeming like we’re the political thugs here. MCCAIN SUPPORTERS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM — OBAMA SUPPORTERS ARE. Now this poor girl’s face is splashed all over the internet.

/rant off

Y-not on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

Did she take a picture of herself in the mirror?

amerpundit on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

black guy brands white woman. In Pa. OMG. If this story gets play Obama just lost NC, VA, GA, West VA, OH and PA.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

I kind of think Drudge initially overstated the story, but that being said, if the tables were turned, I expect we’d see the same amount of (if not more) hysteria from the other side, and on a greater scale.

Unfortunately, this crime does not surprise many of us. And I bet a lot here think this is merely a harbinger of things to come (win or lose).

dugan on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Would this qualify as a “Hate Crime”?

MsDollie on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

That “B” was NOT made with a knife.

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

I completely disagree. It was likely a dull knife, but the markings look as they should to me.

Esthier on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I just went to the McCain web site and wrote a letter urging McCain to get on TV immediately and demand that Obama call off his goons.

The country needs to be made aware of what kind of people support Obama, and what kind of people will be running the country if he wins.

MarkTheGreat on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Yes, I’m sure after punching herself, she decided to scratch out a B in the mirror, because she’s too stupid to realize how easi;ly that could be done or she had no access to a simple key or safety pin.

YellowDawg on October 23, 2008 at 5:12 PM

I didn’t say any of that. But hey, you tell me; does that “B” look like it was made with a knife? Honestly?

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Big S on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Agreed. I definitely think we need more details before this story is verified as true or not.

JadeNYU on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Um, was that B made with a pocket knife? In a mirror?

ninjapirate on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I wonder if Barack will carve a letter in our face after he robs us of our guns and money?

Elizabetty on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

I assume somebody is monitoring the comments at the usual leftist anti-woman hate sites, right?

I don’t need to go there, of course. Because I already know what the kind, compassionate, tolerant, pro-woman liberals are saying:

“She deserved it.”

I’d bet a year’s salary those exact words already appear, more than once, at both Kos and DU.

Somebody else go check. I don’t have the stomach.

Professor Blather on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Meanwhile, you have Palin saying Obama pals around with terrorists and the RNC putting out fliers that end with, quote:

What’s wrong with pointing out the truth?

MarkTheGreat on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Meanwhile, you have Palin saying Obama pals around with terrorists

Dude, we know that one’s true. Give it up already and stay on topic.

Jeez.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

There’s no way this type of carving would have been done to a man. But yet we all know there has been no unhinged hostility directed toward females who oppose Barack.

So it’s curious. I have no idea why a female would be forced to take the “mark of the B” in a political context.

econavenger on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

She Twittered that she was looking for a Bank of America ATM to avoid fees just before the attack. That’s just…odd.

SnarkVader on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Update III: I agree with people in the comments who say that the beating and maiming were political, and obviously so. Ashley wouldn’t have that wound on her face otherwise. What I am saying is that it’s unfair to generalize about Obama supporters based on the actions of one nut.

One nut?

There were links on this site just days ago to posts on Ace’s site regarding attacks on McCain supporters.

Politician’s homes have been vandalized.

This is getting ridiculous.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

I will be happy to tolerate all the violence if McCain wins. The alternative is awful. These people are not only violent but they are dangerous. Everybody better break out their 45’s if they want to be safe.

duff65 on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

If this did actually happen, this is a scratch and not mutilation. It’s bad, and it’s assault. Maybe I’ve seen Silence of the Lambs too many times.

AubieJon on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

If this type or heinous crime is happening before the election then one can only imagine(with great horror)what will happen if Obama is not elected.

Gulf Coast on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

If that were an M on her face and she had been toting some Obama memorabilia this story would be on the front page of the old hag err.. rag… er NYT.

but I’m not saying anything we don’t already know.

Just call me … captain obvious.

One Angry Christian on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

I completely disagree. It was likely a dull knife, but the markings look as they should to me.

Esthier on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

Wouldn’t a dull knife, at least leave some sort of a defined line?

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Big S on October 23, 2008 at 5:08 PM

This may be a worse crime if there were two assailants …
Hence the upside down B….sick…
Only she knows… I pray not…

jerrytbg on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

If she was robbed it’s a shame and an awful crime.

But let’s not lower the bar on carving and mutilaton.
From the looks of it, if true, whatever the guy used wasn’t much sharper than a plastic knife. I’ve seen worse from poison ivy.

And why refuse medical attention? And why is she so sure the guy was enraged by the bumper sticker yet she can’t give a single quote of anything he said?

Someone involved in politics has to know the implications of what she’s doing, and, even if she has no insurance, if the story is true, they’ll be no end of people willing to put up the dough to cover her bill, including McCain himself.

And OK, I’ll say it – I see “black eye”, but I don’t see swelling. And it is Holloween season.

If it sounds paranoid, hey, blame talk radio.

sanguine4 on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

But hey, you tell me; does that “B” look like it was made with a knife? Honestly?

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:13 PM

If the person was bad with a knife and/or in a hurry, yeah. If they had time to make a significant cut, not really.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Ever notice that we don’t see any of Obama’s College or Law School Chum’s being interviewed saying what a great scholar he was, or how engaging he was, or anything of the sort. No College Professor’s. No former employers or co-workers.

PappaMac on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

That B looks like it was done in a mirror… god lord, she better have more info…

ninjapirate on October 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

What I am saying is that it’s unfair to generalize about Obama supporters based on the actions of one nut.

I can see your point there, to a point. This isn’t a single problem, we’ve had the guys trying to firebomb people’s houses/McCain signs, the theft, the vandalism, the attacks on the woman in NYC, and to top it off Obama telling his supports to “Get in their face” he used the words knowing how they can be taken, “Just Words” right? Obama should come out and stiffle his base, McCain gets racked over the coals for someone saying “You Tell’em” and Obama gets off scott free.

Rbastid on October 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

I guess Obama has locked up the coveted Misogynist Armed-Robber vote

eeyore on October 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Just a minor point of order here. The media appear to be confused about the location of Bloomfield. It’s not a Pittsburgh suburb – it’s a neighborhood that is solidly within the city limits between Garfield, Shadyside, Lawrenceville and North Oakland.

forest on October 23, 2008 at 5:16 PM

Would this qualify as a “Hate Crime”?

MsDolli

Silly Dolli… hate crimes only happen if the victim is a minority or gay.

cannonball on October 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Wow, this is really sad. I hope they catch that SOB and cut off his balls.

excuse my language.

upinak on October 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM

If this did actually happen, this is a scratch and not mutilation. It’s bad, and it’s assault. Maybe I’ve seen Silence of the Lambs too many times.

AubieJon on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

If it scars, I would say it is mutilation.

bloggless on October 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Isn’t this a “Hate Crime??”

No, it would only be classified as a hate crime if it were a democrat that was attacked for his/her politics. Blatant double standard.

nazo311 on October 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Ok, my first response was anger…but I can’t help but feel some suspicion about this. That black eye looks weird.

I’ll have to admit to be a tiny bit skeptical at this point, feel free to flame me later if I’m wrong.

Bishop on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

excuse my language.

upinak on October 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM

In this situation, I think we can give you a pass.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

The “B” doesn’t look like it was made with a knife. It looks like it was done with a finger nail.

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:09 PM

Dude would have to have some BEAST fingernails and a lot of precision to cut a mark that deep.

Go on. Try scratching yourself as hard as you can and even TRY to make a marking that well outlined and that deep.

BKennedy on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

If this type or heinous crime is happening before the election then one can only imagine(with great horror)what will happen if Obama is not elected.

Gulf Coast on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Hence the need for guns and ammo.

HornetSting on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG

Look….if it was done in a MIRROR then she would have seen it as a BACKWARDS B! Come on peeps……v i s u a l i z e.

Limerick on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

re:mirror, maybe the image is flipped…

ninjapirate on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

By the way, McCain said he was proud of this flier. That’s the kind of stuff that incites people to angrily call Obama a terrorist. It’s despicable.

Tom_Shipley on October 23, 2008 at 5:11 PM

Is it despicable because you don’t like it, or is it despicable because it is true?

PappaMac on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Just wait until McCain wins and there are “isolated” cities on fire.

econavenger on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

If the person was bad with a knife and/or in a hurry, yeah. If they had time to make a significant cut, not really.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

Anytime I’ve cut myself accidently it left more of an incision than that. And yes even with a dull knife.

This is fishy.

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:18 PM

Naturally occurring inflamation would make the B look less defined and with less sharp margins.

bloggless on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

agree with people in the comments who say that the beating and maiming were political, and obviously so. Ashley wouldn’t have that wound on her face otherwise. What I am saying is that it’s unfair to generalize about Obama supporters based on the actions of one nut.

Are you nuts. Obama told them to get in our faces. He incited his followers, his truth squads, his shutting down radio stations. All have led us to this time this place. Obama and his words and his campaign are directly responsibile for this hate crime. I work with many obama supports. The black people act like Obama is going to paint the white house black. One told me that after Obama wins my race was going to be put in chains. There is anger and hate out there in the black community. Aided and abetted by Obama and his campaign. Obama said “we live in a wrold created by white man’s greed”. his [preacher called America the nation of the KKK.

I don’t care if it was one or ten people. This is below the line. This guy like Joe the plumber just changed the election. He made it a race issue.

unseen on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

That black eye looks weird.

How so? Looks like a good shiner to me…

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

One nut?

There were links on this site just days ago to posts on Ace’s site regarding attacks on McCain supporters.

Politician’s homes have been vandalized.

This is getting ridiculous.

MadisonConservative on October 23, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Where I live, Obama supporters attempted to burn a McCain sign attached to someone’s home. The owners were fortunate it didn’t take hold, because they were inside, asleep at the time.

I’ve talked to other conservatives here (western Washington state) who are too intimidated to display McCain campaign materials, as am I. It would be inviting property destruction – and I don’t wear McCain t-shirts for a similar reason. We are vastly outnumbered here; Democrats in this area are very unpredictable, and drunk with power.

capitalist piglet on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

About her not seeking medical attention – sometimes, after traumatic events, you just want to get somewhere safe and familiar (home). A hospital doesn’t always fit the bill, even if there are injuries to deal with.

Maybe she just wanted to get away, to have a moment to breathe.

Anna on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Trust an Obama supporter to get the”B” backwards.

This infuriates me to no end.

ToddonCapeCod on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

What I am saying is that it’s unfair to generalize about Obama supporters based on the actions of one nut.

One nut.

Bags of cement dropped on buses.

Bleach in the face of a Republican delegate.

Houses vandalized in Minnesota.

Boy Scouts attacked

McCain supporters harassed in NYC

Homes shot up.

One nut.

How long does this apology go on?

drjohn on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

As a McCain supporter I am beginning to feel like a Christian in Iraq or China at the moment.

Change, We Don’t Need!

FireBlogger on October 23, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Wait a few years of ultra liberal rule and you can add America to that list. You will simply feel like a Christian anywhere.

Grafted on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

That woman might have a scar on her face for the rest of her life..and there are people here MINIMIZING that? wtf is wrong with you people? If that was YOUR daughter, or YOUR wife, or YOUR face, maybe it would matter a little more to you.

JustTruth101 on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

As much as it fits the pattern of liberal behavior of late, something just isn’t passing the smell test for me here here. I’m not going to set the Outrage!-O-Meter to 11 until we get more information.

doubleplusundead on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Naturally occurring inflamation would make the B look less defined and with less sharp margins.

bloggless on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

True. Also depends on how it was treated – she only refused medical aid at the scene, it doesn’t say she refused it compeletly.

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

bloggless on October 23, 2008 at 5:17 PM

I agree, if there is permanent damage. This looks like a scratch that I would get walking through briars with shorts on. Like I said, IF this happened, it’s bad enough the guy marked her up.

AubieJon on October 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

THE “B” IS BACKWARDS BECAUSE THE GUY WAS PROBBALY STANDING OVER HER AS SHE LAY ON THE GROUND
Test: turn your head upside down… the “B” is normal.

THIS is what happened I bet.

Ask yourself, you beat someone up and knife them… where are you going to STAND to carve that in?

You can’t stand looking at hear face to face, unless you are LAYING ON TOP OF HER ON TEH GROUND

THere’s just nowhere to stand

$20 bucks says he was standing over her, and wrote the B normal to him, but its upside down to her.

and when was this attack, btw? you’re teling me it couldnt have clotted up a bit? or her face swelled to cover a bit of the ‘b’ scar? what else made that B, a q tip?

battleoflepanto1571 on October 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

The eye is completely white. No red at all. It looks like mascara to me. No black eye I’ve ever seen looks like that. No swelling, no nothing.

The B doesn’t look like it was done with a knife either, unless it was a butter knife.

Fishy. That’s all I’m sayin’ till I see more.

lorien1973 on October 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

That black eye looks weird.
How so? Looks like a good shiner to me…

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

Where’s the swelling?

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

I don’t have time to back scroll all the posts so I am just going with what I see and………………………

Since the B is backwards…..do we know where the man was (as in position to the victim) when it was carved?

If he was facing her in the same direction (head to toe) then I would be questioning this…….If he was facing her in the opposite direction (head to head) then the ‘B’ would be right, as if he were writing it on paper.

I don’t know if this makes any sense to you people and I have a recording session to do so…………………

have at it.

Old Hippie Vet on October 23, 2008 at 5:21 PM

Trust an Obama supporter to get the”B” backwards.

This infuriates me to no end.

ToddonCapeCod on October 23, 2008 at 5:20 PM

Not backwards. She’s on the ground and he’s standing at her head, scratching away.

Has CNN called yet or are they still running that moronic hit piece on Palin’s expensive wardrobe?

drjohn on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Also, when my daughter broke her nose, she got a black eye that looked very much like the one in that picture. I very much doubt she did this to herself.

Anna on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Grue in the Attic on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

I know I know, I feel bad for even implying that it isn’t real, but I’ve inflicted enough and had enough inflicted on me in my younger, wilder days to say I’ve never seen a black eye without noticeable swelling.

Eh, what do I know, these last few days before the election are getting to me.

Bishop on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Wouldn’t a dull knife, at least leave some sort of a defined line?

FiveWays on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

It did. What you’re seeing is swelling.

Knives, even sharp ones like razors, don’t make you bleed without a lot of force. The kind of pressure needed to make a knife cut you deeply is the kind you get with a stabbing, not a carving.

When you’re carving, even if you can break the skin and make it bleed, after awhile (and this happened last night) it’ll look like a scratch.

I know what I’m talking about unfortunately.

If you don’t believe me, go ahead and try it. Grab a knife and try to draw a line.

Esthier on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

If she was robbed it’s a shame and an awful crime.

I’ll reserve judgement on that until the NYT tells me if her parents make more than $250K/yr. If so, it’s just a more efficient way of “spreading the wealth.”
/sarc

Y-not on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Couric “Even if it IS true, she probably owes back taxes.”

marklmail on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

There are extremely few stickers, from both sides, on cars at this late time in the interminable election cycle. I’ve wondered why.

Hardly any in San Diego, and going to LA last weekend, only very few, like 3-5.

Entelechy on October 23, 2008 at 5:22 PM

Naturally occurring inflamation would make the B look less defined and with less sharp margins.

bloggless on October 23, 2008 at 5:19 PM

THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYYING

this wasnt a crayon people, her face probably swelled from this.

battleoflepanto1571 on October 23, 2008 at 5:23 PM

And OK, I’ll say it – I see “black eye”, but I don’t see swelling. And it is Holloween season.

If it sounds paranoid, hey, blame talk radio.

sanguine4 on October 23, 2008 at 5:15 PM

OMG…Have we been duped….Her eye is not red!!!

jerrytbg on October 23, 2008 at 5:23 PM

How long before the media and liberals give this women the Joe the Plumber treatment?

johnt on October 23, 2008 at 5:23 PM

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