Obama: My idiot VP’s epic gaffe was a “rhetorical flourish”

posted at 3:59 pm on October 22, 2008 by Allahpundit

Best euphemism ever.

“Joe sometimes engages in rhetorical flourishes. But I think that his core point was that the next administration is going to be tested regardless of who it is,” Obama told reporters after meeting with his national security working group. “The next administration is going to be inheriting a whole host of really big problems and so the president is going to be tested and the question is will the next president meet that test by moving America in a new direction by sending a clear signal to the rest of the world that we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology but we’re about creating partnerships around the world to solve practical problems.”

Choice spin by The One, but in no way is it, shall we say, reality-based. Refresh your memory with Biden’s full quote; per the emphasis on Obama’s age, his point clearly was that enemies will try to take advantage of Obama’s inexperience to see what he’s made of. Say what you will about a former POW and 20-year veteran of the Senate known to sing, “Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran,” but deciding whether to “test” him isn’t a matter to be undertaken lightly. Or are we now so far through the looking glass spin-wise that the guy who’ll meet with anyone without preconditions (even if they won’t meet with him) is the one to be feared while the war hero whom, the left periodically assures us, out-Bushes Bush for sheer bellicosity is the easy mark?

Exit question: What did Biden mean when he said to his lefty audience, “[T]he kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you, not financially to help him, we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right”? I assume that’s a veiled reference to The One possibly having to take military action somewhere, with all the screeching and shirt-rending on the left that it will entail, but opinions differed when this came up in Headlines earlier today.


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Choice spin by The One, but in no way is it, shall we say, reality-based.

How many days did it take for him to come up with that response?

Have you noticed that Obama and Biden have serious problems when they speak at fundraisers?

BuckeyeSam on October 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM

Rhetorical flourish? Well, that changes everything.

TexasBella on October 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM

As I have commented elsewhere, Biden for once was spot-on. Contrary to the left’s fantasy of the world as a naturally happy, peaceful place whose peace has been disrupted by a belligerent America, the world can actually be a pretty vicious, nasty place. And just like a new kid in a tough school or a new fish in prison, there are those who are sizing him up for any weakness and just waiting to “mud-test” (as the prison slang goes) him.

I’d much rather have representing us a guy who’s perceived as belligerent, dangerous, hot-tempered, and unpredictable (even if that perception is inaccurate, as I believe it is about McCain) than the pencilneck who says “C’mon guys, we can talk about this, can’t we? How about you only take part of my lunch money instead of all of it? Hey, c’mon, stuffing me in that locker isn’t very nice, is it? C’mon guys, come back and let’s talk about this!”

Alex_SF on October 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM

I’m not sure that Obama should talk about bluster considering his constant overemphasis on his great healing powers. Oh sure, it is eloquent sounding bluster, but bluster it remains.

BKennedy on October 22, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Exit question: What did Biden mean when he said to his lefty audience, “[T]he kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you, not financially to help him, we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right”?

My guess is he’s referring to Israel attacking Iran after the election if he’s President and The One and his administration will criticize Israel for it.

When he talks about community I think he means the Jewish community.

gumble on October 22, 2008 at 4:45 PM

At least something is flourishing in the good ol’ USA.

CK MacLeod on October 22, 2008 at 4:45 PM

Biden on poor DC school performance:

“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that is, are minorities. What is it in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with.”

If McCain or Palin had said that, it would be front page above-the-fold in every paper.

jgapinoy on October 22, 2008 at 4:46 PM

Actually, I got the prison slang wrong: it’s “mud check.”

Alex_SF on October 22, 2008 at 4:47 PM

In his defense, Joe Biden brought up an interesting question: which President would our enemies want to “test” with an international crisis–a “brilliant” 47-year-old appeaser who wanted to “cut and run” from Iraq, or a four-term Senator who couldn’t be broken by 5 years of torture in North Vietnam, and had the RIGHT strategy for Iraq, even when it was unpopular?

Maybe Biden shouldn’t have brought up that question.

Bluster and unilateralism? Which candidate blustered about invading Pakistan unilaterally? Hint: it wasn’t McCain!

FYI, the current negotiations of sanctions on Iran involved Britain, France, and Germany; and those on North Korea involved China, Russia, Japan, and South Korea. Let’s hear it for tetralateralism and pentalateralism! Oh, wait a minute, can’t say that! (inserts fingers in ears) Bush is bad!!!

Steve Z on October 22, 2008 at 4:47 PM

Rhetorical flourish? Well, that changes everything.

At least it makes a change from “context” or “satire”

LimeyGeek on October 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Here’s Biden full quote from one of the speeches. The more I read this the more I’m troubled because it’s way, way, way more than Biden talking out of his ass. He’s talking about a “series of decisions.”

“And here’s the point I want to make. Mark my words. Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy. And he’s gonna have to make some really tough – I don’t know what the decision’s gonna be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it’s gonna happen. I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate. And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you, not financially to help him, we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right. Because all these decisions, all these decisions, once they’re made if they work, then they weren’t viewed as a crisis. If they don’t work, it’s viewed as you didn’t make the right decision, a little bit like how we hesitated so long dealing with Bosnia and dealing with Kosovo, and consequently 200,000 people lost their lives that maybe didn’t have to lose lives. It’s how we made a mistake in Iraq. We made a mistake in Somalia. So there’s gonna be some tough decisions. They may emanate from the Middle East. They may emanate from the sub-continent. They may emanate from Russia’s newly-emboldened position because they’re floating in a sea of oil.”

CanadianGuy on October 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Yesterday when I was out cutting some really noxious weeds… Bidens ferulifolia: (Devil’s Pitchfork) to be precise, I got to thinking about something:

Some of you may have read here a few of the times when I said that I didn’t think that even with big democrat majority 0bama would be able to get everything he wanted because of the resentment of his fellow Senators and House members for this young ‘uppity’ upstart coming in, refusing to even pretend to do his job, and jumping in front of everyone and ‘wait for his turn’ to run for President.

ANYWAY, in that same vein, I’m wondering if they perhaps played out that resentment by getting 0bama to pick Biden for his VP, knowing that the loose cannon gaffmaster would be one of the best ways to sink the 0bama campaign without them actually having to alienate their nutroots.

Since Biden himself has wanted to be President for decades, he might even be willing to somewhat sacrifice himself, just to keep ‘that upstart punk’ 0bama from successfully getting that office before ‘paying his dues’.

LegendHasIt on October 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

Exit question:

Allah, it means the opposite of what you think it means.

It means that Obama WILL NOT engage militarily when it’s apparent that a military response is warranted. He will instead call for direct face-to-face talks with our enemy and he’s asking for his supporters to explain this to the rest of us who’ll be sitting around with our jaws on the floor.

CliffHanger on October 22, 2008 at 4:51 PM

LegendHasIt on October 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

That, and the fact that most elite liberals are some of the most condescending racists I have ever seen.

Vashta.Nerada on October 22, 2008 at 4:52 PM

I’d much rather have representing us a guy who’s perceived as belligerent, dangerous, hot-tempered, and unpredictable… than the pencilneck who says …

rhetorical flourishes.

Bidens gaffe cost him votes. Obama’s prissy elitist response cost him votes. I’m with Manly. If you can’t see what’s happening with your own two eyes, you’re blind.

JiangxiDad on October 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM

As my sister said: “Everyone talks about how “cool” and “calm” this guy is…I’d be cool and calm too if I could consistently lie through my teeth and have no one call me out on it!”

However he frames an argument is the accepted frame. When he spins or completely dodges questions it’s ignored or even admired by the likes of Peggy Noonan and (as much as it pains me to say it) Charles Krauthammer!

Remember Fox after the second debate and how they marveled at how Obama “parried” successfully? He wasn’t parrying–he was lying!

watchmen on October 22, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Think of Tel Aviv going up in a huge nuclear fireball. Afterwards, Obama calls for direct talks with Ahmadwhatshisname to tell him, I guess, that we’re really kind of ticked off about it and would he please refrain from doing that again.

CliffHanger on October 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM

People………….

We are within two weeks of a Presidential election and this as#clown has the possibility to win it.

This is not “American Idol”, this is not “Lost”, “Survivor”, or “Dancing with the Stars”…………… this is frickin REAL!

EVERYTHING will change for the worse.

Imagine a Legion of the likes of Bill Ayers, infused within the EPA,, the IRS, the Justice Department, the FBI, and every Federal Bureaucracy with a life-time appointment. What about the Judges, Federal Attorney’s, all appointed and/or fired from those that President Bush put into place with out a fart out of Congress who are still holding hearings on the nine that were holdovers of Clinton that were let go.

Imagine the type of Supreme Court Justices that will be appointed and passed through the Senate, without the “Gang of 14″………

Imagine the “Fairness Doctrine”, limits on “Free Speech” unless “approved” by “the One” and his party. All voices of dissent become a criminal offense.

Forget the border, we will be spreading the wealth around, and around and around………..

Forget “free and fair” elections, ACORN and La Raza will be have a federal budget of a Billion dollars a year…..

Yeah, time for the “undecided” and “independents” to get a fricken clue………………. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!

Seven Percent Solution on October 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Which constituency that Obama doesn’t already have we he get with the rhetorical flourishes?

Conservative interior decorators?

JiangxiDad on October 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Go to that link above..

TheBigOldDog on Oct 22,2008 at 4:40PM.

TheBigOldDog:Thats a h#lluva eye opener!:)

canopfor on October 22, 2008 at 4:56 PM

Seven Percent Solution on October 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Calm down. Calm down.

Pensions, Social Security, Medicare – all these bombs are set to go off in 2011-2012.

Our socialist paradise won’t last very long.

lorien1973 on October 22, 2008 at 4:57 PM

Seven Percent Solution on October 22, 2008 at 4:55 PM

Imagine having every member of your extended family working feverishly for Obama’s election, attending rallys, giving money. Yep, this is real alright.

JiangxiDad on October 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM

I thought the same thing. We’re going to be attacked, Obambi will have to respond militarily, but don’t go comparing him to Bush and Iraq because when Obambi does it, it will be the correct thing to do, no questions asked.

ctmom on October 22, 2008 at 4:58 PM

Joe sometimes engages in rhetorical flourishes bull$hit.”

Fixed it for ya Oblammo.

Badger40 on October 22, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Why would O have to worry about garnering support in the “community” about selling out our allies, or rolling over for our enemies? They’d love that kind of response!
Even if O suddenly sprouted a pair and wanted to stand tough, he’ll be surrounded by opportunistic scum like Biden, Reid and Pelosi, not to mention his long list of neighborhood “acquaintances” who are hardly patriots. Bambi is not the kind to go against the grain – never has been.

drunyan8315 on October 22, 2008 at 5:02 PM

Exit question/answer ——– I can’t help wondering if he is preparing us for significant breaks with our historical stands. In four or five areas… Here are two obvious ones: Openly supporting “Palestine” over Israel, and normalizing relations with Cuba.

DocKen on October 22, 2008 at 5:03 PM

On the “Exit Question”…

Biden seems to be predicting, probably accurately, that Obama is gonna pull the usual Democratic flippin’, and go back on his word to his constituents. Military action? Most likely…

It seems to be a plea to not abandon “the one” when the flipflop happens…

JetBoy on October 22, 2008 at 5:04 PM

Any body been over to:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/bomb-iran.html

This views Joe’s remarks in a different light.

Da_Hutt on October 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM

Choice spin by The One, but in no way is it, shall we say, reality-based.

Translation from Allah-speak to Commentariat-Friendly: “What a load of crap.”

Jaibones on October 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM

we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him.

Damn straight, because Osama Obama will — after a few days to “think” about it — do something so hideously inappropriate and dangerous for America’s survival that the public, even those who fell for his Messianic bullcrap, will rise up in righteous anger and, despite the Fairness Doctrine, and the Obama Jugend, demand that he leave office forthwith.

MrScribbler on October 22, 2008 at 5:07 PM

Every time Obama “clarifies” it’s a brand new case study in manure spreading. This m*ther f*cker lies smoother than greased shit, and his motives smell just as bad.

FiveWays on October 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

Biden seems to be predicting, probably accurately, that Obama is gonna pull the usual Democratic flippin’, and go back on his word to his constituents. Military action?

Yeah, but it will noble and fun military action. That’ll be their spin.

CanadianGuy on October 22, 2008 at 5:08 PM

My idiot VP’s epic gaffe was a “rhetorical flourish”

Sure. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Tanya on October 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM

My Venezuelan friends said that Hugo Chavez was on Caracas TV last night and said in sum and substance that the US was going to have a Socialist President elected this November. This was a great stride for the US, and was happy for his friend Obama and that he had been in touch with them. But that due to circumstances he could not say more.
Are the libs and media going to call Chavez racist for referring to the Obamanation as socialist?

eaglewingz08 on October 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM

nothing to see here, go about your business people. nothing to see

custer on October 22, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Is the Obamanation going to say that Chavez was merely engaging in ‘rhetorical flourishes’ by calling him a fellow socialist?

eaglewingz08 on October 22, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Heh. “Waiter, there’s a bug in my soup!” “Shhh…everyone will want one.”

Jaibones on October 22, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Compare and contrast. Their VP says idiotic things regularly, not just minor flubs, but major, make it up as you go along whoppers. but the left hangs tough. Our VP routinely knocks em dead, but has a flub with Kackles Couric, and half of the “Elite” of our party is up in arms and driven to vote socialist.

Their guy is a lunatic, but they hang tough. Our VP is a star but our betters are apoplectic anyway. There is something wrong with our side.

james23 on October 22, 2008 at 5:14 PM

Da_Hutt on October 22, 2008 at 5:05 PM

That’s it exactly. It’s the opposite of what Allah and the other commenters seem to be thinking…

CliffHanger on October 22, 2008 at 5:23 PM

Joe sometimes engages in rhetorical flourishes

I need to get my eyes or my monitor checked… when I first read it, I thought it said rhetorical flatulance.

My bad.

electric-rascal on October 22, 2008 at 5:25 PM

I’m going with the “reinstate the draft” theory. Liberals have been wanting to do it for years, while blaming the Republicans for wanting it. And remember Bambi’s mandatory volunteer corps.

misterpeasea on October 22, 2008 at 5:29 PM

Sure. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

Tanya on October 22, 2008 at 5:09 PM

-SNORT-

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 22, 2008 at 5:31 PM

I’d much rather have representing us a guy who’s perceived as belligerent, dangerous, hot-tempered, and unpredictable (even if that perception is inaccurate, as I believe it is about McCain)…

Alex_SF on October 22, 2008 at 4:43 PM

The middle east pictured Reagan as a cowboy (and I mean literally), they were scared to death of the cowboy who shot first and asked questions later.
No one can deny the effect it had on the release of our prisoners immediately after he was sworn in.
The only thing the two-bit leaders worry about is losing their life or their power, everything else is expendable.

right2bright on October 22, 2008 at 5:31 PM

Why is Obama saying this? Where is Biden? Have they locked him in a closet somewhere?

Free Joe Biden!

JamesB on October 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Y’know,

I kinda saw it as meaning O would have to use military power and that the lefties would rend their shirts as AP states.

Here’s hoping that scenario never occurs….O as your prez, I mean…and the “testing” too.

MT

Mistahtibbs on October 22, 2008 at 5:38 PM

Free Joe Biden!

JamesB on October 22, 2008 at 5:34 PM

Operation Slingblade!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Yesterday when I was out cutting some really noxious weeds…

LegendHasIt on October 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

For some reason when I read this — on the heels of Obama’s dancing clip — I got thinking that yesterday one of the presidential candidates was out smoking some weed.

I know, I know — raaaacisssst!

Y-not on October 22, 2008 at 5:49 PM

I actually kinda wonder at this point if Biden does this on purpose.

If Team Obama was smart, they would pretty much just shut up until November.

scrubbiedude on October 22, 2008 at 5:59 PM

blah blah blah …we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology but we’re about creating partnerships around the world to solve practical problems.”

Bluster?

You know what was bluster, buster? How about your plan to withdraw troops from Iraq, one battalion at a time, until they were all out of there as of March of this year, a plan which would have guaranteed defeat in Iraq.

Or how about your blustery statements during General Petraeus’ confirmation hearings? Like this.

Don’t even get me started on “ideology” and “creating partnerships”.

Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 6:00 PM

A ‘rhetorical flouish’?

Is a ‘rhetorical flouish’ more ‘nuanced’ than an ‘inartful use of words’?

What a twit is he.

petefrt on October 22, 2008 at 6:00 PM

It’s so wunderful that Obambi can translate old white man ramblings into street geek for us mere mortals.

T J Green on October 22, 2008 at 6:04 PM

“Rhetorical flourish” is Harvardese for “stupid,” just like “diplomacy” means “appeasement” and “spreading the wealth” means “steal your money to bribe our constituency.”

Questions?

Tantor on October 22, 2008 at 6:05 PM

Obama’s whole campaign is “rhetorical flourishes” so he should be able to recognize that this was a plea to the Dem constituency not to get mad when they figure out they’ve been conned.

jeanie on October 22, 2008 at 6:07 PM

Operation Slingblade!

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM

Note to self: next time, Scotch-Guard the monitor before turning it on.

*wipes*

sulla on October 22, 2008 at 6:09 PM

George Carlin would have a thing or two to say about Obama calling this “rhetorical flourish.”

Tacitus_SGL on October 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM

My question: Will Hussein cover Biden’s a** if they get into office and he makes a “rhetorical” comment like this in the middle of a true crisis?

The left has been complaing about Bush’s rhetoric, but they’re very quiet on this Very Big Blunder.

madmonkphotog on October 22, 2008 at 6:22 PM

They may emanate from Russia’s newly-emboldened position because they’re floating in a sea of oil.”
CanadianGuy on October 22, 2008 at 4:48 PM

It’s not oil that will embolden the Russians (especially at today’s prices). More likely, it’s Putin’s observance of Obama’s weak-kneed response this summer when he invaded Georgia. Just like Kruschev sized up JFK and found him wanting, Putin has done the same with Obama. Kruschev sent missiles to Cuba, and Kennedy ended up having to give away a lot to get them removed. Putin, whom John McCain has correctly characterized as a KGB thug, won’t hesitate to bend Obama over, just like his predecessor did to Kennedy. And Putin will probably be just as happy with all the goodies he gets as a result.

AZCoyote on October 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Obama also said he was “spreading the opportunity…”.

OMG

This is such an exceptional abuse of the English language.

“Opportunity” DOES *N*O*T* come from my wallet.

Rhetorical flourish or not, Obama is a CHARLATAN.

Lockstein13 on October 22, 2008 at 6:28 PM

George Carlin would have a thing or two to say about Obama calling this “rhetorical flourish.”

Tacitus_SGL on October 22, 2008 at 6:10 PM

He would be SLAYING this campaign. Both sides, but especially Obama. He wouldn’t be getting away with half the stuff he does or says, and the media wouldn’t be able to shut him up. And this is coming from someone who’s never been a huge Carlin fan.

Coincidence or Conspiracy?

*eats*

Grue in the Attic on October 22, 2008 at 6:31 PM

…that we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism

Bin Laden and Co. are busy checking airline schedules for planes heading for DC as we speak.

PattyJ on October 22, 2008 at 6:35 PM

…we are no longer about bluster and unilateralism and ideology… (Obama)

Heh. It’s not “bluster” when you back it up with a huge chunk of the U.S. military shoved up some petty dictator’s a$$. Just ask Saddam Hussein about the “bluster” we are no longer about.

aero on October 22, 2008 at 6:36 PM

The jihadists won’t “test” McC ’cause they’ll end up dead. They’ll test Obambi ’cause they’ll end up ahead.

Dead or ahead. The choice is yours America.

Mojave Mark on October 22, 2008 at 7:29 PM

Biden may have heard some internal discussions on how to respond to these possible situations. Domestic/911 type attack: martial law, crack down on ‘dissidents’ who disagree with the administration, strict national gun control, expansion of Patriot Act, wiretaps on any and all persons suspected of treasonous words and actions. External crisis: draft, expansion of Patriot Ac, wiretaps on any subversives, etc. Therefore, Biden thought he would help the cause by calling the faithful to manage those who might object. What is really scarry, is that based on Obama’s comments, voting record, and ‘friends’ these are all within the realm of consideration by an Obama administration.

jerseyman on October 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM

What is it with those Lefty idjits and their favorite criticism of President Bush and unilateralism? How many times have these Lefties ignored the word coalition? Is the language too nuanced for them?

onlineanalyst on October 22, 2008 at 7:32 PM

Joe is the gift that keeps on giving and giving and giving.

Fandango on October 22, 2008 at 4:07 PM

It’s all that international gravitas that Joe has, doncha know?

onlineanalyst on October 22, 2008 at 7:37 PM

Hey, isn’t Barry supposed to be in Hawaii?

Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Hey, isn’t Barry supposed to be in Hawaii?
Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 7:45 PM

No, he will saunter on over there in a couple of days.

His surrogates need some extra time to clean the tire tracks off of granny from the last time he threw her under the bus. He doesn’t want those tracks to be seen when he gets her to pose with him for the coming photo-op.

LegendHasIt on October 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Exit question: What did Biden mean when he said to his lefty audience, “[T]he kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you, not financially to help him, we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right”? I assume that’s a veiled reference to The One possibly having to take military action somewhere, with all the screeching and shirt-rending on the left that it will entail, but opinions differed when this came up in Headlines earlier today.

Obama has been big-talking some creepy force issue for a long time now, interspersed in all the debates, in many of his speeches (unless before his adulators, then he lapses into his preacha’ pie-talkin’).

He continues to reference force applied to or in Pakistan (in Obama-talk, it’s “POHKeestan”) and Afghanistan, but he never specifies his plans or alliances, so it leaves a lot of doubt about his motives.

But he’s made these puffy-chested statements on many occasions, and, BECAUSE he is quite so evasive as he makes them but makes them continually, it makes me seriously question what his motives actually are.

AND, worse, more concerning to me, is that he grows immediately emotional whenever he’s made these statements, and darker (and I don’t mean in the fleshtone area). He changes like a light being turned off and glowers about “POHKeestan” and declares Afghanistan ‘such a problem’ (whenever he refers to Afghanistan, I get the distinct impression that he regards the current government there as an enemy — I doubt I am isolated in this perception about Obama).

So, I have serious questions and concerns about his motives. I also do not understand how the U.S. military is going to conduct themselves should Obama ever be Commander In Chief. I know if I was on active duty, I’d immedinately retire.

S on October 22, 2008 at 7:55 PM

The Left, should Obama be elected, is going to immediately become “pro war.”

All the rage by the Left about being anti-war, once fooled by an Obama win, would find the Left immediately going pro-war with various excuses as to why they are now when they were not then, speaking in future terms.

But, they’ll know they were played, at least, I hope they’ll realize it, because Obama definitely has “plans” for to use the U.S. military and I anticipate that they’ll be dreadful plans, once revealed.

S on October 22, 2008 at 7:58 PM

…not that our U.S. military is dreadful, but what Obama plans to do with it, I suspect, is. In other words, remodelling the good into the dreadful…is what I suspect.

S on October 22, 2008 at 7:59 PM

This guy defines “shit talking assclown.”

Pardon my foul language but what other way is there to put it concerning this moron?

Metro on October 22, 2008 at 4:05 PM

Well, you’re right. When the words fit, use them.

Only I’d modify that a bit and say that both those guys define “shit talking assclowns.”

S on October 22, 2008 at 8:01 PM

No, he will saunter on over there in a couple of days.
LegendHasIt on October 22, 2008 at 7:52 PM

Ahhh, he’s the Messiah and knows that his grandmother will be just fine until he gets there.

Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 8:24 PM

Speaking of the poetic, Obama grew up friends with Frank Marshall Davis, an older black Communist Party poet who relocated in Hawaii and took Barack under his wing. Critics of Obama’s book have attributed Ayers as its ghost writer, pointing to parallels in style and imagery (nautical references). Just wondering what Frank Marshall Davis’ style was like, if it showed through pages in Daddy Dreams.

maverick muse on October 22, 2008 at 8:47 PM

In 1948, Davis’s vacation to Honolulu, Hawaii, turned into a permanent residence. He stayed on to raise five children, operate a small wholesale paper business, and write a weekly column for the Honolulu Record. Although his work fell slightly out of favor, it was rediscovered during the Black Arts Movement in the 1960s, and in 1978 he published his final volume, Awakening, and Other Poems. Frank Marshall Davis died in 1987. Black Moods: Collected Poems (2002) and Livin’ the Blues: Memories of a Black Journalist and Poet (1992) were published posthumously.

maverick muse on October 22, 2008 at 8:52 PM

Drudge has the scoop that Obama’s victory bash is already under construction:
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.event.grant.2.846677.html

Just think. If he steals the election, he will be having these parties every other night and it will all be on the taxpayer dollar! And I hear Michelle has a very expensive appetite.

Sheesh!

(I wonder if this one will have the tacky greek columns.)

ErinF on October 22, 2008 at 9:05 PM

The Empty Suit Meets The Rhetorical Flourish~

Parchment at 11.

profitsbeard on October 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Speak of the devil. Drudge:

OBAMA INTERVIEW: LETS TALK ABOUT GRANDMOTHER’S HEALTH
Wed Oct 22 2008 18:09:23 ET

CBS EARLY SHOW co-anchor Harry Smith conducted an exclusive interview with Sen. Barack Obama earlier today in Richmond, Va. Among other topics, the senator told Smith why it’s so important for him to take a break from his campaign to see his grandmother. “My grandmother’s the last one left,” Obama told Smith. The senator added, “She has really been the rock of the family, the foundation of the family.” Obama didn’t get to his mother before she died. “Yeah, got there too late,” he says. “You know, I mean, it was sort of like this, in the sense that she had a terminal illness. We knew she wasn’t doing well, but you know, the diagnosis was such that we thought we had a little more time and we didn’t. And so I want to make sure that I don’t make the same mistake twice.”…

Developing…

Good thinking, Barry. Why, it’s a perfect time to give Harry Smith an interview, and dance for Ellen Degeneres.

As for the full interview, I’m ready to play a drinking game. Word to watch for: Kansas.

Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 9:24 PM

Sex rebel: black;: Memoirs of a gash gourmet (1968) Bob Greene

The book is believed to be the work of the poet Frank Marshall Davis [American Communist Party Soviet pawn]. That would be interesting for someone who is researching black literature. But the Barack Obama campaign has recently confirmed that “Frank”, a person mentioned in Obama’s book Dreams from my Father as his childhood mentor is in fact the same person.–John Beowulf review

You may recall a previous discussion about Obama’s misogyny. As things go, he had a most twisted childhood. Not an auspicious beginning for THE twisted “chosen one”.

maverick muse on October 22, 2008 at 9:29 PM

“JUST WORDS” until the bombs explode.

maverick muse on October 22, 2008 at 9:33 PM

Can’t Granny in Maui get testy and YELL
(in range of mikes & tv cameras):

But Barry… you’re not fit to be President!

(Or does she not know he reduced her to a “typical white woman” all-purpose tool? Somebody please mention to her so that Barry can apologize before she goes to Glory.)

profitsbeard on October 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM

Here’s a snippet of The One’s interview with Harry Smith.

Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 10:07 PM

Maybe gasbag Biden was talking about Peruvian flute bands?

The only scenerio that works is Iran/Hezbollah/Persian Gulf gambit vs. Israel/USA. An all out non-nuclear attack (bio-chem) launched against Israel, not over-fly clearance granted by us and the Iraqis, public no nuke retaliation jammed into the Israel’s face and our withdrawal from the Persian Gulf w/o a shot fired pretty much sums up what we’ll see within a year of The Second Coming…All Hail the destruction of freedom!

dmann on October 22, 2008 at 10:29 PM

When I heard it first I thought it was Joe just pointing out how lucky we are to have him there to guide the One in the manufactured troubles pending. Then I thought it was a pre warning on an inaction, like leaving Israel to hang in the wind.

But as AP says it is more likely prep for some future pragmatic action that will chafe a sensitive leftist pussy.

BL@KBIRD on October 22, 2008 at 11:31 PM

Why do I believe that the Clintons have something on Joe Biden and that why he said this? What VP has ever said anything like this since tickets included Presidents and Vice Presidents running together?

Now if I could only get Bob Dylan Stuck in the middle with you out of my head everytime I think of democrats.
Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!

Gracelynn on October 23, 2008 at 12:33 AM

No. Joe meant… calm the masses while I try to pull Barry’s quivering huttled body out from under his bed!

Griz on October 23, 2008 at 1:12 AM

Folks, there is a huge unreported story about Biden’s remarks.

Biden gave the story in two events. A saturday night event (San Fran) and a Sunday event (Seattle). One of those is relatively complementary to Obama (compares to JFK, spine of steel) and the other is a disaster (“Mark my words”…) NBC and MSNBC are purposefully (Andrea Mitchell NBC nightly news, Morning Joe, etc), are flipping the events discussing the scandal and playing the complementary quotes (JFK and spine of steel) and ignoring the devastating ones, all in the context of a report of a “McCain attack on the Obama ticket”.

It is a purposeful and willing distortion of the the news. This is UNACCEPTABLE.

Breitbart TV is all over it but I haven’t seen it reported ANYWHERE ELSE!!!!!!!!!!!

aquaviva on October 23, 2008 at 2:07 AM

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