McCain ad: “Sweat Equity”
posted at 7:20 am on October 22, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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John McCain knows how to use a winning message. The latest McCain ad is titled “Sweat Equity”, but it just as easily could be called “I Am Spartacus”:
BARACK OBAMA: I think when you spread the wealth around it’s good for everybody.
WOMAN: I’m Joe the plumber.
WOMAN: I’m Joe the plumber.
WOMAN: I’m Joe the plumber.
ANNCR: Spread the wealth?
MAN: I’m supposed to work harder…
MAN: Just to pay more taxes.
MAN: Obama wants my sweat to pay for his trillion dollars in new spending?
WOMAN: I’m Joe the plumber.
ANNCR: Barack Obama. Higher Taxes. More Spending. Not Ready.
The Spartacus theme resonates on a couple of different levels. First, we have everyone identifying with a beleaguered hero as a way of supporting him, but let’s also recall the circumstances of Spartacus. Spartacus led a rebellion of slaves against the government that oppressed them. Joe the Plumber has led a rebellion against an oppressive governing philosophy that erodes the notion of private property and would make taxpayers into serfs to the lords of Washington DC.
That kind of message resonates. People may want services from the federal government, but they don’t want outright redistributionism, where the government transfers cash from those who pay taxes to those who don’t. Barack Obama’s tax plan does just that.
McCain has been given three winning messages in the last few weeks of the campaign: the Democratic social engineering that led to the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac collapse, Joe Biden’s warning of international crises as a result of electing Obama, and Joe the Plumber. This ad is a good step forward in riding these three themes to Election Day.
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Good ad. Should have run weeks ago. Does McCain have the ability to get this ad on the air? I had read that Obama and the Dems bought all the political advertising slots on all the broadcast networks from now until election day. I’m in northern Ohio (battleground central) and I don’t think I’ve seen a McCain ad on in about 4 days…
Outlander on October 22, 2008 at 7:23 AM
I am Joe the plumber!
If everyone understood Obama’s racist tax plan, he would be down 15 to 20 in the polls. If they knew everything he was all about, he would be down much more.
Grafted on October 22, 2008 at 7:24 AM
I hope they have enough moxie to capitalize on them.
If not, we can always hope for another Bin laden video.
BacaDog on October 22, 2008 at 7:24 AM
Count me in with the rest of the disillusioned/realistic conservatives when I state (sadly) that this ad won’t change a thing, no matter how true or “resonating” it is. With O’s 30 minute television pitch and a possible SNL appearance on 01 Nov (and associated coverage by the Tanning Bed Media), the sound bite electorate will go to the polls on 04 Nov with only one name on the tips of their fingers. We’re totally hosed.
rotorhead on October 22, 2008 at 7:25 AM
With boney finger pointed skyward.
“NEVER!”
hawkdriver on October 22, 2008 at 7:28 AM
How ’bout an ad for Biden called Joe the Dumber?
Surely there are many Democrats who’d be happy to state, “I’m Joe the Dumber.”
Josiah on October 22, 2008 at 7:29 AM
Just go vote on the 4th! You’ll be fine by midnight!
OSUBuciz1 on October 22, 2008 at 7:29 AM
Why don’t they just hire Iowahawk instead of stealing his ideas? /
Aristotle on October 22, 2008 at 7:33 AM
Don’t give up – I firmly believe there’s still a game-changer out there, a final October surprise. The way they’ve stayed on the Ayres message, forcing Obama to continue modifying his relationship with Ayres, leads me to believe they have something, probably pictures or video, of Obama and Ayres together. Think about it, as tight as Obama and Ayres were, we’ve never seen a picture of them together. There has to be some pictures or video of these two together. Imagine a video of Obama and Ayres at a forum, with Obama handing the mike over to Ayres with a man-hug as they pass. Drop this on them like Gore dropped the Bush DUI the final weekend in 2000.
PatMac on October 22, 2008 at 7:34 AM
Don’t let up on Biden. Someone needs to pressure him to explain his statements. The media isn’t gonna do it.
lodge on October 22, 2008 at 7:35 AM
Nice ad, but I still want to see one that mixes in regular people, Joe the Plumber, and Obama/Obama shills mocking Joe.
Question: During the half-hour Obama blocks will there be commercials? What if McCain had a killer 1 minute commercial within Obama’s time slot?
It doesn’t matter how long someone talks if you can sum up the stupidity of their logic in a 30 second song.
“…since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes,
I will be brief. Obama is mad. . . .”—Shakespeare ;)
watchmen on October 22, 2008 at 7:35 AM
Just wait for Biden’s counter argument…I think it just might follow these lines:
NO! I’M Spartacus!
http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/I%27m+Spartacus/
its_a_trap on October 22, 2008 at 7:35 AM
typo: I meant commercial instead of song! :) I guess I have music on my mind…
watchmen on October 22, 2008 at 7:36 AM
rotorhead,
You’re right about their attempts at saturation, but I think you’re wrong about the outcome. Atleast I hope you’re wrong.
p0s3r on October 22, 2008 at 7:37 AM
Already did-absentee ballot, which arrived LATE from my democrat town clerk- a full week after the deadline put out by my military voting office. Good news is that our post office is providing free USPS tracking, so I’ll see if/when it gets back in time. Not holding my breath, knowing that the dems will do everything they can to “disqualify” an overseas military ballot.
rotorhead on October 22, 2008 at 7:37 AM
I hate the ending: ” Barak Obama. Not ready.”
As if a socialist surrender monkey will ever be ready to serve as CIC and POTUS.
Barak Obama. Unfit.
Basilsbest on October 22, 2008 at 7:38 AM
I can only hope that you’re right. Hope is allowed, isn’t it? Or am I a racist for using a term absconded by the Messiah?
rotorhead on October 22, 2008 at 7:39 AM
Follow up ad on Barry’s changing positions:
Obama is more flexible than a plumber’s snake.
Joe the Plumber would know.
McCain – Palin will clean up the mess Barack and the Democrats have made since 2006.
profitsbeard on October 22, 2008 at 7:40 AM
Hey,, think of the money McCain’s campaign would save if they just kept an eye on HA for good ideas! ;)
JellyToast on October 22, 2008 at 7:45 AM
I am Spartacus the plumber!
He is Xerxe’s Hussein Obama, the tyrant!
Kick him down the well…..
Ha-ooh, ha-ooh, ha-ooo!!!
Hening on October 22, 2008 at 7:46 AM
Gee, I would think people who aren’t obamabots would be pretty tired of seeing obama ads non-stop.
dmarie on October 22, 2008 at 7:46 AM
I’m totally disillusioned at this point, too. But I will say that I think it bad strategy for Obama to appear on SNL right before the election. Remember, he has a double digit lead in Gallup. He should be on prevent defense.
SNL isn’t funny — that’s why nobody watches them. That means they don’t have a well tuned humorist ear, and Lord knows Democrats don’t have good senses of humor overall. I think there’s a realistic chance that the skit could unintentionally paint Obama in a bad light, and a slight chance that Obama could gaffe on air. Why risk it? I think it’s just arrogance on Obama’s part.
Outlander on October 22, 2008 at 7:48 AM
Relax…have a cigar…all that 30 minute Obama infomercial is going to do is 1) give the Obamaniacs who are going to vote for him anyways warm fuzzies; 2) Bore people to tears; 3) Torque off sports fans who want to see the Rays crush the Phillies; 4) Be ignored as people turn it to something else.
People will see it for what it is–Obama’s ego on display and it’s going to turn people off.
Channeling Mr. Rourke again (and I’m going to do this until the election is over and we’ve won)
Smiles everybody…Smiles…
Matt Helm on October 22, 2008 at 7:49 AM
fixed…
jerrytbg on October 22, 2008 at 7:54 AM
Not ready? Oh he’s ready all right. His entire life has been spent preparing to turn this country into a quasi-Socialist state.
Buy Danish on October 22, 2008 at 8:01 AM
They should just cut Tito out of that Corn video and ran with that!
TheBigOldDog on October 22, 2008 at 8:02 AM
This guy is better than Spartacus. He’s the one doing the crucifying!
Jim Treacher on October 22, 2008 at 8:06 AM
I am an optimistic person. I started my own business, am doing well, and was an early supporter of McCain. I love, LOVE, Sarah Palin. Everytime see her speak I smile. I feel like she is “one of us” and has a chance to be president one day. I read HA and the polls everyday. I am a political junkie. I am caught between my heart (McCain eeks out victory) and my head (BO landlslide). I get the the feeling-like rotorhead-that these commercials don’t matter. Maybe there is something going on that we don’t know about…I hope so. And I do believe the race is winnable, but…My sense is that if something big doesn’t happen, this race is lost. After such an unsettling 8 years–mostly due to 9/11, Katrina, Iraq, and Fannie/Freddie, the country seems like it wants to feel good about itself. And that means electing BO.
My guess is that he will win, and the result will be similar to peeing in your pants on a cold day…it starts with a nice warm feeling, but you only end up cold and wet and miserable.
I hold out hope this year and have lots of optimism for 2012!
joepub on October 22, 2008 at 8:06 AM
How about an ad with a regular guy/gal saying this:
“I don’t want money from those who have more than I have. This is America and I have the opportunity to earn my own way through hard, honest work. I’m insulted that Obama wants to ’spread the wealth’ around to folks like me. I’m voting for John McCain.”
pugwriter on October 22, 2008 at 8:07 AM
The media,pollsters, illegal voters and many more are pulling out all the stops to make people think it best to stay home and not bother to vote for McCain.
wepeople on October 22, 2008 at 8:08 AM
I am Joe the Plumber.
This country was founded in large part by people who were willing to risk their lives in crossing an unforgiving ocean to an uncertain future. That risk taking entrepreneurial spirit has always played a large part in American society. And now, when Joe the Plumber wants to take a risk and better his life, Dear Leader Obamassiah wants to punish him by taking away the fruits of his labor.
Disgusting.
rbj on October 22, 2008 at 8:08 AM
So, if Obama really does win, how many of us plan to just quit the 9-5 grind and stop feeding the monster? Just to shore up your memory of why this is important, here are a few favorite quotes from Ayn Rand. Her words seem a haunting presence in this election.
“The hardest thing to explain is the glaringly evident which everybody had decided not to see.”
“The man who lets a leader prescribe his course is a wreck being towed to the scrap heap.”
“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”
“I swear by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, or ask another man to live for mine. “
MikeA on October 22, 2008 at 8:10 AM
Just in, Obama’s counter ad:
“We have nothing but love for Joe the Plumber, we know where he lives, and where his kids go to school.”
Ha ha funny.
jeff_from_mpls on October 22, 2008 at 8:10 AM
I’m Mark the Programmer.
Thats where they need to take this commercial. Start with Joe, then move onto other people with their name and their job. Just a laundry list of regular people, with regular jobs. Pan out, show them cascading away from the camera. Thousands. Maybe a “Who are you?” tag line.
Samhain on October 22, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Joe Biden brought back to the forefront the reality that we are still fighting, (and winning) two wars, against an ideology that would see us all destroyed if they were capable. This nation would be better served if that 3am call to the WH is answered by John McCain.
Obama’s “spread the wealth” comment to Joe the plumber is resonating daily with an electorate that has little in their pockets and understands that if business is taxed, jobs will be eliminated. McCain needs to emphasize his “all of the above” energy policy that would put millions of Americans to work on American soil.
American’s are not afraid to work. They just won’t like Obama’s plan that sends more taxpayer dollars to the government for those who choose not to. Returning to the Carter era of a welfare state is the liberal’s dream come true.
Rovin on October 22, 2008 at 8:14 AM
Joe-mentum We Can Believe In.
BohicaTwentyTwo on October 22, 2008 at 8:21 AM
There is something more to this narrative that needs to be emphasized:
To a Left, a man who has been a plumber for 15 years is not a plumber unless the State of Ohio says you are.
Saltysam on October 22, 2008 at 8:21 AM
Damn, that’s a really smart idea for an ad. Bueller? Would definitely reinforce the Everyman “I Am Spartacus” theme.
RickZ on October 22, 2008 at 8:24 AM
There is something more to this narrative that needs to be emphasized:
To the Left, a man who has been a plumber for 15 years is not a plumber unless the State of Ohio says you are.
(apologies for the edited repost)
Saltysam on October 22, 2008 at 8:25 AM
I kind of wish someone could make this point:
We don’t all have the same amount of money, but we do all have the same amount of TIME: twenty-four hours a day. That is what our life is made of. Why should some people have to spend nearly HALF of each working day, half of their work life, earning the money to pay taxes that, under Obama’s plan, will go to people who don’t spend ONE MINUTE of their time paying for the services they receive from the government?
Involuntary servitude much?
Heiress on October 22, 2008 at 8:27 AM
Now THAT could be the basis for an awesome ad. You wouldn’t even need words.
Josiah on October 22, 2008 at 8:28 AM
I think he should do an ad featuring Tito the builder, that woman from Antigua that was alongside Tito and the tall guy that confronted David Corn in that video.
Show them in the ad. Those three look like and represent America. A black woman immigrant from Antigua, Tito immigrant of Colombia, and the tall white man, whose name I don’t know. That will send a very powerful message.
jencab on October 22, 2008 at 8:33 AM
jencab on October 22, 2008 at 8:33 AM
I ESPECIALLY like the immigrant’s complete scorn for Corn.
Saltysam on October 22, 2008 at 8:38 AM
It may not seem that way, but McCain is ahead and Obama is steadily sinking. Remember the early days of the Iraq War when we overran the country in a matter of days? Remember the pressers given by Baghdad Bob? His ludicrous denials of our presence there – even though our tanks were rumbling through the streets just outside the studio walls?
Try to look at it this way: Obama has been campaigning for over a year; he has a huge, well-run campaign machine; he’s spent nearly half a billion dollars on TV and radio ads in all 50 states; the Drive-By media is completely in the tank for him. And yet…the best he could manage in way of a lead right now is 5 points? THAT’S IT? Five crummy points? That isn’t even factoring the Bradley Effect – which his own campaign admits will shave a few points off the poll numbers. By all rights Obama should be 20 points ahead, but he’s jut about neck and neck with McCain.
Don’t listen to all that crap you hear in the Drive-By media – all of it is calculated to depress McCain voters and keep them from voting. The Drive-By media has become Baghdad Bob, rotorhead.
Go back to the top and watch the Joe The Plumber ad again. It resonates with ordinary working Americans, who are responding positively to the message.
McCain will win this November. At this point, Obama is losing more and more voters every day. The more votes he loses, the more desperate he’ll become. That Oct 29 informercial will ultimately backfire. He’s gonna lose.
ManlyRash on October 22, 2008 at 8:44 AM
But where’s Tito Munoz?
irishspy on October 22, 2008 at 8:46 AM
Spartacus and all the other slaves who identified with him were crucified along the Appian Way. I’m just saying…
tommylotto on October 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM
The student government association here at Auburn held a mock election last night after hearing speeches from Rep. and Dem. congressmen.
McCain won 62% to 36%, with the rest of the vote going to Barr. I’d been concerned about the student vote here because AU has been going more and more liberal and downhill because of it.
I was encouraged.
AubieJon on October 22, 2008 at 8:52 AM
Last November I witnessed John Howard being voted out of office in Australia and replaced by a Labor Party who has no clue how to handle the economy and is now going on a huge spending spree, unemployment is on the rise and John Howards budget surplus is slowly being eroded.
Barack Obama makes the Labor Party in Australia look like Noble prize winners.
The United States doesn’t have to repeat Australia’s mistake.
You have now less than two weeks to prevent this from happening. You may be pessimistic about the election now but just wait for another 12 months if Obama wins.
(apologies for any grammar errors)
Crux Australis on October 22, 2008 at 8:53 AM
McCain/Palin: 50.2% PV, 290+ EC imho…
jerrytbg on October 22, 2008 at 8:54 AM
MadisonConservative on October 22, 2008 at 8:54 AM
They were more than men…they were the embodiment of a very powerful idea. And ideas are bulletproof.
ManlyRash on October 22, 2008 at 8:55 AM
Obama campaign response:
Blacks were not properly represented in accordance with their national representation. White women were also in an ad with a black man. Verdict: John McCain is RAAAAAAACIST!
BKennedy on October 22, 2008 at 8:55 AM
McCain is a poor, uninspiring speaker, can’t debate worth a darn, has NO core Conservative principles, and ran a bad campaign. This ad will do nothing for him. He is too flawed a candidate.
Now what I would love to see is Sarah giving a speech in Columbus, Ohio with 250,000 people in attendance. Anybody up for a road trip?
huckleberryfriend on October 22, 2008 at 9:05 AM
I AM JOE THE PLUMBER!!!!!
trainwife1962 on October 22, 2008 at 9:11 AM
I am John Galt
Vashta.Nerada on October 22, 2008 at 9:16 AM
Joepub-
Good post, pretty much expresses my views as well
anniekc on October 22, 2008 at 9:24 AM
WE ARE SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JAM on October 22, 2008 at 9:26 AM
In addition, if Obama really has bought up all the political airtime in all the battle ground states, we are more than screwed- we are in the midst of having a ten foot thug with a dirty blanket smothering every conservative voice in America- Forever.
anniekc on October 22, 2008 at 9:29 AM
Don’t worry, Obama can still pull it out.
Jim Treacher on October 22, 2008 at 9:34 AM
With YOU? Sorry, Captain Negativity, I’d sooner smash my balls flat with a scallopini hammer.
ManlyRash on October 22, 2008 at 9:39 AM
Riiiiiiight. Less than two week from election day and this clown is struggling to keep an already questionable lead in any reputable poll.
I guess I’m gonna have to start repeating myself: the Obama campaign has access to internal polling data that no one else ever sees. This data is scaring them shitless. Their attacks are becoming more intense and more reckless because they are getting desperate.
It will get worse for them over the next week and a half, culminating in a half-hour TV Obamathon that will backfire stupendously.
On Nov 4 Obama will go down like Titanic, leaving his supporters flailing in the cold waters of Lake Michigan.
ManlyRash on October 22, 2008 at 9:46 AM
I’m not so sure, Jim. He’s in the political equivalent of quicksand. The harder he struggles, the faster he sinks.
ManlyRash on October 22, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Manlyrash,
You are my favorite read on this blog…I get a healthy dose of optimism after reading your posts.
I will not give up the fight…we CAN win, and I do think that maybe there is something happening we are unaware of…
Keep up the good work!
joepub on October 22, 2008 at 9:48 AM
Here is a basic bulletin that I sent to all my friends on MySpace. Quite a few of my friends are folks who worked for me during the 15 years I ran my business. All have taken the skills I taught them and have gone on to better jobs. Most could start their own businesses tomorrow if they were so inclined.
The videos will have been seen by most of you.
This is a great way to network into battle ground states. Many of my friends live in Nevada and I am hopeful they will forward my bulletin to their friends.
csdeven on October 22, 2008 at 9:52 AM
FIFY
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 22, 2008 at 9:53 AM
Obama may have Saturday night, but McCain should make sure he takes Sunday afternoon. There should be ads on these 3 issues all over the football games.
rhuppertz on October 22, 2008 at 10:00 AM
Hilarious!!!!
For some odd reason I got Spartacus from Netflix just a coupla nights ago LOL!!!
Long movie but entirely relevant!
only I hope we all don’t get crucified at the end like in that movie!!!!!!!
-Wasteland Man
See it! Its a good flick!
WastelandMan on October 22, 2008 at 10:10 AM
Pessimistic people are always proven wrong.
The Obama propaganda machine is counting on republicans giving up so they can win big. We need to fight to the end, how many times we have seen the underdog defeat the strong team in the last minute. Democrats are worried about a repeat of the 2004 election. Just remember GW was down and by noon on Election Day the demo-rats and the MSM were claiming victory. Then by night time the story changed, we need to stay focus.
pukara61 on October 22, 2008 at 10:14 AM
My point is that Obama should be easy to hit. There is so much questionable about him, his past, his plans, etc. And McCain hasn’t laid a glove on him. A good ad won’t do any good because the mainstream media will just drown it out with overwhelming positive stories about Obama. And their fact checkers will tell us how the ad is wrong on the facts.
So its up to McCain. He is the only one that can turn this around and I don’t think he is capable of doing it. He needs deep convictions to make his case and I don’t think McCain has any deep convictions. He is a compromiser, not a leader.
Now getting 250,000 people to show up at a McCain/Palin rally would dwarf what Obama did. It would show the American people that McCain is still in this. It would do more than any 30 second ad.
huckleberryfriend on October 22, 2008 at 10:15 AM
This realistic conservative will count you in with the Eeyores. Why are you letting yourself get snowed by the psyOps efforts of the O! and his MSM shills?
Go to Hillbuzz or Rush and snap out of it, for pity’s sake.
Y-not on October 22, 2008 at 11:38 AM
Four winning messages, Ed. FOUR.
The fourth message is one I haven’t seen. If Joe the Plumber and Ed the Dairyman is taxed, that means they have to raise their prices.
The poor will have to pay more for eggs, milk, meat, gas, heating, everything. When Obama raises taxes on the rich, the poor are the ones that will suffer the most. How far does your check from Obama go when you’re paying $5.00 a gallon for gas and $5.00 a gallon for milk?
Everyone who makes under $250,000 a year, you are Joe the Plumber too!
bonnie_ on October 22, 2008 at 11:41 AM
Nuance for empty suit. It will resonate better with undecideds.
I agree it would be nice if it were more honest, like: “Barack Obama. Not American.”
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 22, 2008 at 12:09 PM
Because unlike the majority of people posting here, the general electorate is uneducated about the man, where he came from, who he learned from, what he stands for and the history of socialism. Many of those that DO know these things simply don’t care because of some vague notion of “hope and change”. Rather than make an educated decision, they’ll vote off of 30 second sound bites that favor him while showing any conservative (let alone McCain) in a negative light. George Carlin was right- stupid, lazy people will vote in stupid lazy politicians, or worse. In this case, much worse. The only hope I have is that despite O spending half a billion or so, he’s still only up a few in most polls.
rotorhead on October 22, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Have faith in the commonsense of your fellow Americans.
I remember hearing that “no one” voted for Reagan and he was elected to two terms. Then “no one” voted for Bush W. and he was re-elected, despite having his first term hi-jacked by 9/11.
On my cul-de-sac in liberal SoCal there are now 3 Obama signs and no McCain signs, but I know for a fact that at least 3 of the families on this block are Republicans. We don’t have signs because we live on a cul-de-sac near a neighborhood park and are surrounded by intolerant liberals — we don’t want our cars keyed. I really think there are a lot of people who are not responding to pollsters (or PUMA/Hillary supporters who lie to pollsters), but who are going to vote McCain-Palin on election day.
I have gotten discouraged some times, too, but when I step back from things and reflect on the popular support Palin has received, read the efforts that the PUMAs are making, and think about Rush’s huge listening audience, I believe McCain-Palin will win.
Do yourself a favor and read Rush’s site, as well as Hillbuzz, each day.
Y-not on October 22, 2008 at 1:37 PM
I’m Tom the Business Analsyst.
Sapwolf on October 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Yep. I’ve stopped my St. Vincent de Paul charity work. It is just too depressing in that the disintegrated families leave our typical female, black, divorced/single, not receiving child support, mother, overweight, diabetic, unemployable, client. I just can’t get myself to work these cases anymore because I believe we are reinforcing vice rather than pushing the Gospel. Our conference has been so focused on material needs and reinforcing dependency, and NOT reaching out to the souls of people. Obviously, I’m not the President of our chapter. It’s just dead. Our people we visit have little hope or dignity.
Sapwolf on October 22, 2008 at 1:51 PM
There is no doubt about it. The media is doing its hardest to portray the election as a blowout to not only discourage voter turnout by McCain voters, but to assist in Obama’s margin of victory to dispel the obvious voter fraud for O-man and to portray it as a watershed election or mandate.
Don’t let this guy win. And don’t let him in the WH easily.
Fight this one to the end, because even if he were to win, we need to defeat him or at least make it so close that it can be questioned.
Sapwolf on October 22, 2008 at 1:58 PM
If McCAin can get past the notion of many Americans that rich people {whoever Obama deems that to be} made their money off of the backs of the poor and so they owe it to the poor to give it back..he might get some traction with this.
Terrye on October 22, 2008 at 4:31 PM
did they photoshop “the One’s” ears in that image? Damn.
twoarmman on October 22, 2008 at 5:39 PM
It is never forever.
It only takes two hands to stop a stomping boot.
JellyToast on October 22, 2008 at 6:21 PM
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