exelon invitational. exelon corporation. exelon invitational. …

Yes George Soros did organize and create the economic meltdown three weeks before the election.

The man should be in prison.

A better question is how much has Soros funded McCain and what will that be getting him?

Before anyone jumps me I am voting McCain (well, Palin really) but I am deeply troubled by how SOros seems to be betting across the board and covering all the angles.

McCain’s entire exile after 2000, full staff etc was supposedly bankrolled by Soros money. This should be a story.

America1st on October 22, 2008 at 3:48 PM

It looks like Soros has not given to Republicans.

But it is not uncommon for corporate types to hedge their bets and give to both sides.

In this case, I’d say Soros has made his political leanings pretty clear and they are too far left for McCain to cut any deals with him.

Before anyone jumps me I am voting McCain (well, Palin really) but I am deeply troubled by how SOros seems to be betting across the board and covering all the angles.

McCain’s entire exile after 2000, full staff etc was supposedly bankrolled by Soros money. This should be a story.

Actually, Soros is all about Soros’ money.
CapedConservative on October 22, 2008 at 2:47 PM

I wish it was that simple. Soros has a twisted obsession to force his will on the world. Something really snapped in him during his childhood, living with a Nazi and accompanying him when the Jews were rounded up for the death camps and their property confiscated by his benefactor.

I think he hates religion, humanity, democracy and altruism. His opinion is that people are basically bad, so why legislate morality. Let the cannibals eat each other. More for the rest of us.

I’m inclined to see Soros as a bare-knuckle political operative rather than a monster

Well, I was “inclined” to see UFOs, Bigfoot and pink elephants until I stopped drinking the same hootch you must be sipping…

Actually, Soros is all about Soros’ money. He bought Petrobras (Brazilian offshore drilling co.) last summer around $50/share ($811 million worth). Petrobras (PBR) is currently trading at $23. I’m sure he bought it because he knows he controls our congress and that there will really be no drilling under his watch. I can’t tell you how it breaks my heart that he is currently down over $400 million… I’m surprised he can still afford to continue to fund folks like “Good Will” in making their donations.

CC – BHO: “my Muslim faith”

though I find inappropriate when non-Catholics attempt to discredit someone’s relationship with the Church based on a single issue.

dedalus on October 22, 2008 at 2:23 PM

Agree. These are very deep issues and in the end they come down to each individual’s encounter with their God, and their own struggles along the way. I am grateful for the guidance of mother church, and for the authority that makes that guidance true.

I don’t think we can do anything in the short term other than doing our own little part to try aand get the truth about this election out.

We have been saying the same thing for 25 years. All the while, the Marxists have been further securing their foothold in our society. Progressive Insurance Company, Berkshire Hathaway, employ tens of thousands of employees. They hire conformists and make sure they all keep thinking the same way. They fund programs in the schools that teach a progressive agenda. They buy media entities, advertising, and spend billions pushing their agenda. It is overwhelming and there is nothing but US – you and me and some of the others here – in the way of their tanks of thought.

We do not have a cohesive answer to George Soros, Peter Lewis, Warren Buffett and the rest of the people who have bought our country. I really hope it isn’t too late. It will take decades to reverse the damage they have done.

Yes, I understand the difficulties with Humane Vitae and I struggle with it myself, but it there is no question that it is a definitive teaching that requires the assent of the faithful. I also understand the fear of unintended results in NFP, but that fear must be to some degree replaced with trust in divine providence, we cannot insist on 100% control.

neuquenguy on October 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM

Thanks for the insight. One can make the point that Catholics who don’t follow Humanae Vitae on contraception are out of line with church moral teaching, though I find inappropriate when non-Catholics attempt to discredit someone’s relationship with the Church based on a single issue.

Suppose we talk about neutralizing Soros’ billions? You know, the billions he is using to fund the stupid Catholics. What do we do about that.

eaglesdontflock on October 22, 2008 at 1:59 PM

I don’t think we can do anything in the short term other than doing our own little part to try aand get the truth about this election out.
In the long term, I would start by replacing the whole government school system with something that actually teaches people how to think as well as the basic principles of our republic. Next, we need to work at replacing the MSM with an independent and objective press that can serve the purpose of “watch dog” instead of being a propaganda machine. Finally, it would be nice if our institutions of higher learning where actual “institutions of higher learning” and not looney bins where the dumbed-down kids are processed into socialist zombies.
In the mean time maybe some legislation….forget that, McCain already tried and Soros is thanking him for it.

Doctrine can not be argued. The Pope, when speaking on matters of faith and doctrine, is infallible. Period. It is not open to interpretation. If you choose to ignore doctrine, you are not a practicing Catholic.

Unless I am on the wrong thread, the topic presented was about Soros funding groups whose purpose is to confuse catholic voters regarding catholic doctrine.
But you are right that Soros is a great threat to this country. I am amazed how the Democrats, who are always demonizing “big money” are very happy with Soros helping them buy the most expensive election in history.

neuquenguy on October 22, 2008 at 1:54 PM

MY POINT: Catholicism is not the problem, doctrine is not the problem. SOROS is the problem. That he is trying to confuse Catholics is not a doctrine issue, it is a propaganda issue. It is a Marxist issue.

Suppose we talk about neutralizing Soros’ billions? You know, the billions he is using to fund the stupid Catholics. What do we do about that.

It’s not even really about abortion per se, but in electing Democrats by confusing Catholic voters, the largest voting religious voting bloc sect in the US.

We ARE?

Spanglemaker on October 22, 2008 at 11:44 AM

I modified Ed’s quote a bit.

It’s certainly the largest religious sect in this country and, because Catholics obey a central authority figure and have a very tightly regulated hierarchy, it is potentially a huge voting bloc, unlike some denominations where it seems each minister has a lot of latitude in how he/she runs his/her congregation. Why else would Nancy and Biden try to paint themselves as “good Catholics?”

This is the first election in my life where the Catholic church — even the more liberal “American” CC (there is no such thing, but for a long time the Catholic bishops acted like there was) — has made an effort to clarify for its flock the evil that abortion represents and the fallacy that you can be a “pro-choice” Catholic. It’s very encouraging.

The discussion about Catholicism here is mind-boggling. You guys go ahead and fiddle while your whole friggin’ country goes down the tubes.

eaglesdontflock on October 22, 2008 at 1:22 PM

Unless I am on the wrong thread, the topic presented was about Soros funding groups whose purpose is to confuse catholic voters regarding catholic doctrine.
But you are right that Soros is a great threat to this country. I am amazed how the Democrats, who are always demonizing “big money” are very happy with Soros helping them buy the most expensive election in history.

I generally agree with that statement, though most Catholics, even devout ones, aren’t fully versed on the types of Magisterium and the ones who are aren’t in full agreement over whether particular teachings constitute ordinary or extraordinary Magisterium.

dedalus on October 22, 2008 at 1:18 PM

Vatican II teaches that both Extaordinary and Ordinary magisterium must be given a religious submission of intellect and will.
“The magisterium, moreover, is an authoritative teacher of Catholic faith and morals when it exercises its teaching authority in a manner that is not clearly intended to be infallible. When the bishops teach on matters of faith and morals in their capacity as bishops, they “speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent (obsequium religiosum) of soul”
The difference is that a catholic can in conscience withhold “ascent of faith” on non-infallible teachings but they must still adhere to the teaching.
Yes, I understand the difficulties with Humane Vitae and I struggle with it myself, but it there is no question that it is a definitive teaching that requires the assent of the faithful. I also understand the fear of unintended results in NFP, but that fear must be to some degree replaced with trust in divine providence, we cannot insist on 100% control.

I seriously doubt the “Pro-Choice Catholics” are claiming to be Eastern Orthodox or Coptics. Thus they are either trying to deceive others or deceiving themselves when they claim to be “Pro-Choice Catholics.”

Buford on October 22, 2008 at 1:16 PM

A Catholic’s relationship with the Church supersedes a single Pope or questions on which of the Church’s teachings need to be translated into public policy.

Should we expect every Catholic voter to follow Pope John Paul II’s teaching on the death penalty? Should the Vatican’s teaching on contraception be American public policy or a private moral decision?

Why don’t you talk about what to do about Soros? Eh? The problem is NOT Catholic doctrine folks.

The groups have called him pro-life even though he supports unlimited abortions throughout pregnancy for any reason.

(Emphasis Added)

This description appears to be a needlessly conservative description of Sen. Obama’s position on abortion.

Based on his Illinois State Senate voting record, he would appear to support post-natal as well as pre-natal abortions.

However, it would be a mistake to believe that catholics only owe assent to those teachings of the Magisterium which have been promulgated in an infallible statement.

neuquenguy on October 22, 2008 at 12:58 PM

I generally agree with that statement, though most Catholics, even devout ones, aren’t fully versed on the types of Magisterium and the ones who are aren’t in full agreement over whether particular teachings constitute ordinary or extraordinary Magisterium.

The encyclical Humanae Vitae which deals with contraception and abortion has been debated, but I believe the teaching from the bishops is that it is part of the Magisterium. Many Catholics struggle with the contraception instruction in the encyclical. They want to have loving sex with their spouse but are not prepared to have unlimited numbers of children. They may rely to some degree on natural family planning but they also balance it with the fear of a pregnancy, especially during financially precarious times.

I seriously doubt the “Pro-Choice Catholics” are claiming to be Eastern Orthodox or Coptics. Thus they are either trying to deceive others or deceiving themselves when they claim to be “Pro-Choice Catholics.”

The old-time Red hunters were foolish and contributed mightily to their own embarrassment and destruction, but they were essentially right about the threat. They just saw it coming from the wrong place. They saw Communist saboteurs as primarily agents of a foreign power, rather than collectivism itself.

Now we’re on the edge of a complete socialist takeover, with all of the country’s political systems completely dominated by proponents of collectivism: education, media, and all branches of the government. Even though the election hasn’t happened yet, we see the same techniques being deployed against the populace: intimidation, propaganda, absurd levels of outright lying without the slightest attempt to correct it. Arguing against socialism is being redefined as unacceptable, and will soon be redefined as illegal, or at least impossible – good luck to the Republican candidate in 2012 or 2016 who tries to take that “free” socialist medical program away.

None of this garbage is native to American political thought, or American’s traditional instincts. It’s been imported in drips since FDR, and now it becomes a flood. And presiding over it all is – surprise! – a foreign mastermind, loyal to his ideology and personal ambitions rather than a particular nation. Our grandfathers would have known better than to let George Soros within a thousand miles of the American political system, and if he kept pushing, they would have stopped him with bullets.

A few generations ago, the threat of collectivist takeover drove people into a blind frenzy. Now they yawn, roll over, and wait for the handouts those invisible, endlessly wealthy “rich” will be compelled to provide. Once upon a time, people went nuts hunting for barely-detectable “conspiracies.” Now the conspiracies are huge, obvious, and documented, with very little interest in hiding themselves, and nobody cares.