Video: If Palin said what Biden said, it’d be front-page news, notes … Dan Rather?
posted at 11:55 am on October 21, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Via Breitbart. Note to the media: When even this guy thinks you’re in the tank, it’s time to regroup.
Mika, daughter of Zbigniew, doesn’t seem real thrilled either.
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damn….when Dan “xerox” Rather says this…..it is WAAAAAAAAAYYYYY over the top…..
SDarchitect on October 21, 2008 at 11:58 AM
I don’t need to see the world start to crumble because Obiffy needs his ego soothed.
Bishop on October 21, 2008 at 11:59 AM
It’s been a Twilight Zone kinda week and it’s only Tuesday.
- The Cat
MirCat on October 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM
REDEMPTION!
Okay, not really.
Slublog on October 21, 2008 at 12:01 PM
Now if they’d only pledge 1/10th of the energy they’re spending on Joe the Plumber looking back at the stupid things Ol’ Stupid has said over the campaign, everyone would realize he’s Gaffemaster Supreme. Not to mention Barack, the Wizard of Uhhs.
jimmy the notable on October 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM
Are we supposed to forgive him the way the left just forgave Powell?
BadgerHawk on October 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM
He said America’s enemies would challenge the next president. Wow.
What a pile of sniveling crybabying over nothing.
Dave Rywall on October 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM
P.S. With all the huge missteps that Obama and Biden have been taking the big October surprise better be nothing less than a Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy endorsement.
- The Cat
MirCat on October 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM
I wonder if Joe S. knows what the straw man argument is. If you look at the full text at what Biden said, it’s not as much of a gaffe as people are making it out to be. He basically said that enemies would cause an international crisis to test Obama and find out that he has a spine of steel not as Joe S. implied that Obama’s election would trigger an international crisis.
barry norris on October 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM
P.P.S. Or that McCain has figured out cold fusion.
MirCat on October 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM
What is that I see in the background behind Dan – The Pony Express
RatherRider….. pigs flying?I know pigs used to fly back in the days….
Mcguyver on October 21, 2008 at 12:03 PM
Allah, you are missing the golden quote from Dan:
“What happens on the internet may be as important or more important than what is in the newspapers”!
Kasper Hauser on October 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM
It’s interesting that both Rather and Brzidnnyxxy?? rapidly acknowledge the MSM bias. If those two won’t defend the wapo and the slimes, then all is lost for them.
In these difficult times, lets not overlook silver linings.
I hope McCain makes a clear case to people that the very same media they no longer trust are the ones commissioning most of the polls.
JiangxiDad on October 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM
wtf?
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 12:04 PM
HOLY Shiiiite! Dan National Guard Rather pointing it out! LMAO!
Begining of the end for Obama….lol
OSUBuciz1 on October 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Dan also said to look at how this plays out on the Internet.
CanadianGuy on October 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Yeah, they always test a new President with a crisis, just like the Iranians tested Reagan huh.
- The Cat
MirCat on October 21, 2008 at 12:05 PM
I think Biden’s words just scared the living hell out of any liberal with a brain. Sounds very, very sinister. Suggesting that Obama’s election will put the nation at risk in the first six months? The ramifications are startling, and even some of the oldest and most loyal Democrats are taken aback at the thought that maybe, just maybe, this kid is a disaster for everyone.
MadisonConservative on October 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
That Dan Rather – what a racist.
Vashta.Nerada on October 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Important Update:
Obama & DNC Admit All Allegations of Federal Court Lawsuit – Obama’s “Not” Qualified to be President
Obama Should Immediately Withdraw his Candidacy for President
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(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania �” 10/21/08) – Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC “ADMITTED”, by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is “NOT QUALIFIED” to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Berg stated that he filed Requests for Admissions on September 15, 2008 with a response by way of answer or objection had to be served within thirty [30] days. No response to the Requests for Admissions was served by way of response or objection. Thus, all of the Admissions directed to Obama and the DNC are deemed “ADMITTED.” Therefore, Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President.
More Information: http://www.obamacrimes.com
AdrianS on October 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
No, Drywall, he said American’s enemies would challenge Osama Obama.
It’s the difference between electing an inexperienced coward and a man who served with courage in the military and has not forgotten the lessons learned.
MrScribbler on October 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
He’s learned his lesson.
Esthier on October 21, 2008 at 12:06 PM
Wow, for once I agree with Biden.
So, to paraphrase, would the act of electing Obama say to our enemies “Bring it on!”?
If so, electing Obama is kind of a cowboy thing to do.
redshirt on October 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM
Nobody’s saying it was a gaffe. It was a stupid thing to say, but to call it a gaffe implies that its untrue. What’s stupid about it is that Biden is doing McCain’s work for him by raising serious concerns about putting a completely untested politician as POTUS.
jimmy the notable on October 21, 2008 at 12:07 PM
How do those differ?
Obama’s election would trigger enemies to cause an international crisis.
MayBee on October 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Dan Rather seems now to be complimenting the “blogging machine”.
aquaviva on October 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM
I don’t for a second believe anything Dan Rather says. Dan needs to look rational. All he is doing is what his attorney is telling him to do. Make a favorable impression on the jury pool for his law suit against CBS. Perhaps CBS will settle out of court. They wouldn’t if Dan came off as a raving lunatic.
meci on October 21, 2008 at 12:08 PM
Ah, no. He said there would be a crisis. That involves more than the president. That involves every American citizen.
Which you are not. So why don’t you take your opinions on what affects us, stick them and your head in a blender, and press “puree”?
MadisonConservative on October 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM
well I’m surprised old Dan actually had the guts to spill the truth about the bias. What’s this world coming to?!
Badger40 on October 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
This is not the Dan Rather that I have known.
Sefton on October 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
“HE’S PLAYING ON OUR FEARS!!!!!”
Oh wait, wrong candidate
HarryStar on October 21, 2008 at 12:10 PM
nothing like taking the economy off the front page for a couple of days. god love you Joe, stand up Joe for the love of God Joe stand up…..
unseen on October 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM
Strange times indeed.
BadgerHawk on October 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM
He also said Obama’s response would probably be unpopular. I wish he knew what he meant by that! Would he go into attack mode, pissing off his liberal base, or go into diplomatic mode, pissing off the right? Either way I’d rather not take a test right now, thank you…
redshirt on October 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM
As my dad used to tell me:
You learn something new every day if you start out dumb enough.
txsurveyor on October 21, 2008 at 12:14 PM
And a search for the word “Biden” on Politico right now has only 1 hit.
“Biden Appears Healthy from Health Records”
aquaviva on October 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM
Courage.
irishspy on October 21, 2008 at 12:15 PM
anymore room under the Obama bus???
SDarchitect on October 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
I still think McCain has a great argument here on this and I do think it’s a huge gaffe. I don’t recall anybody “testing” Ronald Reagan when he entered office because HE told them that he was going to kick ass and there was no doubt.
Senator Obama…eh, not so sure
HarryStar on October 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
The Stars are Right
The Seventh Seal is Broken
The Golden Bowl has Shattered
Fimbulwinter is Coming
Fire and Brimstone coming down from the Skies
Rivers and Seas Boiling
Forty Years of Darkness
Earthquakes
Volcanoes
The Dead rising from the Grave
Human sacrifice
Dogs and Cats living together
MASS HYSTERIA!!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Yeah. Must be Allah doesn’t feel important, anymore, because he doesn’t have Dan – the Pony Express
RatherRider news media to beat up anymore:Mcguyver on October 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Most of us aren’t sniveling or crying over this. We’re thanking God that Obama picked Biden as his running mate.
thevastlane on October 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
Which you are not. So why don’t you take your opinions on what affects us, stick them and your head in a blender, and press “puree”?
MadisonConservative on October 21, 2008 at 12:09 PM
You get an extra serving of ham on Christmas day.
Bishop on October 21, 2008 at 12:16 PM
IMPORTANT DISTINCTIONS:
1. NBC falsely attributes Biden’s quote to his Seattle fundraiser. He did not say “steel in his spine” in Seattle; he said that in a similar speech the same day in San Francisco.
2. NBC willfully chose to focus on the SFO speech with its mitigating “steel in his spine” quote instead of the far more damning Seattle speech. Funny that.
NBC conflates the two speeches so that they can reduce the damage to Obama-Biden.
Cuffy Meigs on October 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM
As someone mentioned before in another thread, the Senator Government Bus is like a TARDIS – it has more room underneath it than it looks like from the outside.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 21, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Actually, what he said was a little more detailed and nuanced than you contend, but I can understand your compulsion to grossly oversimplify that which confuses you in order to dismiss it as inconsequential. It’s just Dave Rywall being Dave Rywall.
ManlyRash on October 21, 2008 at 12:18 PM
That was surprisingly honest from all parties involved. That rates at least one Spockian raised eyebrow.
irishspy on October 21, 2008 at 12:19 PM
I lean toward Biden meaning that Obarfa would act the role of wet noodle, throwing out some crap about “diplomacy” and needing to consider every single, possible option before even considering a course of action.
Meanwhile, someone’s tanks are rolling over someone else’s borders or someone’s terrorist proxies are busy slaughtering someone else’s civilians or or or or or or….
Bishop on October 21, 2008 at 12:20 PM
FTFY
Abby Adams on October 21, 2008 at 12:21 PM
only for the next 2 weeks
jp on October 21, 2008 at 12:21 PM
Great timing on Biden’s part. Instead of going ga-ga over Powell’s endorsement for two or three days the MSM is forced into a new news cycle that is not in Barry’s favor. Time to hide in Hawai’i for a day or two and pray no one asks me about this. Send out Madame Albright to defend me. Everyone respects that old broad. And she goes and says “…it’s just a statement of fact…” oh, great. Thanks Madge, that will help out a whole lot. Why don’t you go hide out in Bugtussle with Joe the mouth, too. Say hi! to Michelle while your there.
Sefton on October 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Joe Scarbo says it is “surprising”? To who?
ronsfi on October 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Mad’s mad. Get’im MadCon.
tickleddragon on October 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM
Uh, they can’t test Obama if he’s not the president. If he’s president they’ll test him. Obama’s election would trigger an international crisis.
Thanks for pointing this out to yourself.
fogw on October 21, 2008 at 12:22 PM
So, did you vote conservative or are you a loser? I know…stupid question. You’re a loser anyway, and Canadian to boot.
AubieJon on October 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM
We’ll see. I think he didn’t like getting thrown under the bus by the rest of the media. Maybe he’ll xerox fake documents for us from now on.
Darth Executor on October 21, 2008 at 12:24 PM
PROTECT our families! DO NOT VOTE for a man who will be tested by our enemies. Joe Biden is saying that our people will DIE because of Obama. Unless he meant our enemies will send a “pop-quiz” for the professor?
Remember JFK FAILED his test by Kruschev.
Vote for the guy who WILL NOT initiate a TEST.
Steel-spined Obama hasn’t met with the media in HOW LONG?
originalpechanga on October 21, 2008 at 12:26 PM
Hey hey hey…they were fake but accurate. Get it right dammit.
Sefton on October 21, 2008 at 12:27 PM
Just go someplace else if you don’t like our brand of sniveling.
I myself like liberal Democrat sniveling. There is a certain je ne sais quoi about your running mate saying you have steel in your spine when it comes to standing up against foriegn bad guys, but the general public isn’t allowed to say your middle name because it hurts your widdle feewings.
That is some freaking field grade sniveling, Jack!
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
WOW. Coming from a democrat hack. I do agree with Rather, and he has first hand experience, the internet will expose this comment to overwhelming proportions as it should. You can’t expect liberal papers to do the work.
Thank goodness, sometimes, for the internet.
jencab on October 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Biden said both, actually. He did clearly imply that Obama, like Kennedy, would prompt our enemies to test him more than other (older, more experienced) new presidents have in the past. And yes, this setup was a lead-up to the conclusion that is largely being ignored, which is that Biden thinks our enemies will be surprised and dismayed to find that Obama has a steel spine.
The problem with Biden’s conclusion is that there is absolutely no proof in Obama’s background or demeanor that he has a steel spine. He’s an unruffled debater, but he has no life experiences to tell us whether or not he really would have a spine of steel when confronted with real danger. We know for a certainty that McCain can stare into the face of America’s enemies and not crack because he has done so. We even know that Sarah Palin can stare down the barrel of a shotgun at a dangerous wild animal and pull the trigger. The only thing we know for sure that Obama can do in the face of danger is talk real purty. To be told that it is a virtual certainty that there will be a serious international crisis within 6 months of this guy taking office and to have nothing but Joe Biden’s assurance that Obama has a steel spine is disconcerting and draws most thinking people’s attention away from the gossamer ideas of hope and change and into the reality of what this soft, effete guy will do when an actual bad guy holds a gun up to America’s head.
I fear he’ll vote “present,” and I think a lot of other people may be waking up to that realization as well.
aero on October 21, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Why doesn’t anybody give the whole quote? Doesn’t he name countries that are in the “top four” that will attack us? What about our loins??? What about girding our loins? What about how he tells us that we will think they have made the wrong decision, and that we will find out at the end, that it was the right decision all along?? Is this man stable???? Did he make these comments at several fundraisers or just the one????? Forget the fair press coverage part, I’m thinking he is not sounding right in the head.
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:29 PM
No sir you’re fooling yourself. Biden came right out and guaranteed that there would be an international crisis solely because Barack Obama was elected to the Presidency of the United States of America.
He further promised Obama would take serious actions that would be very very unpopular, and the base needed to support him (blindly).
Dash on October 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
I guess that means the resident HA libs aren’t scared then?
hindmost on October 21, 2008 at 12:30 PM
Rather??? I was just wondering where he was yesterday during this election cycle. With his comments on Palin and Biden, well the world is truly upside down.
Sergei on October 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM
But it hasn’t taken anything off the front page. That’s Scarborough’s point — it if were Sarah who said this, it absolutely would be front page news, even if the Dow plunged 1,000 points in 5 minutes. But since it is Biden who said it, it is not on the front pages at all. As Rather admitted, it’s up to the internet denizens once again to get this out there.
aero on October 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM
And Clinton failed ALL his multiple tests from Al Qaeda.
Bush passed his single one, and hasn’t been re-tested since… they decided to go pick on France and Spain instead.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 21, 2008 at 12:31 PM
Biden was addressing lib crowds in Seattle and SFO, who would tend to favor diplomacy or capitulation. Biden warns them that Obama may have to make unpopular decisions that might not appear in the short term to be the right response. What would that mean to his lib audience? To them, war would be the incorrect response.
Is Biden trying to tell us that Obama is a warmonger, and that they just need to “trust him, it’ll all work out”??
innominatus on October 21, 2008 at 12:32 PM
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:28 PM
Good point. The Super Steel-Spined Cyborg Terminator Obambo is going to show the world’s thugs that he won’t be pushed around, yet he whines when people ridicule his ears.
I can only believe that the internals are looking really bad for Obimby, so his campaign felt compelled to have peeps like Biden throw out this sort of nuanced crap.
Bishop on October 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Anyone asking this knows they are headed into &%@*!#ville and wants everyone they can get along on a leash.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I thought that, too. And it could be related to Iran.
CanadianGuy on October 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
I’ve thought that. I thought that after he went back and forth on clean cold.
Obama to Biden at the end of a long campaign day.
Biden: “How’d I do Boss?”
OB: “You stupid, er, Old Man. We’re for clean cold at the, er, moment. We won’t be against it until, uh, after the election. Is that, er, so hard? Geez!”
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Bush passed his single one, and hasn’t been re-tested since… they decided to go pick on France and Spain instead.
And what a test that was, I shudder to think of what our enemies would level against the effete snob which is Obumble.
Putin is having the official Russian atlases updated to show the former satellite nations as being “reincorporated.”
Bishop on October 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Dave Ryall:
He didn’t just say Obama would be tested. He said that Obama would be tested and he’s screw up.
jerryofva on October 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
Two Obama-Biden fundraisers Sunday:
1. San Francisco (steel spine)
2. Seattle
Both had “mark my words” and “he will be tested.”
Cuffy Meigs on October 21, 2008 at 12:35 PM
We all know that Dear Leader would never go warmongering. He is as peaceful as a pure white dove. Ignore his claim of going into Pakistan if need be, ignore his claim of increasing troops in Afghanistan, ignore his belief that women should register for the selective service and do combat missions. All that means nothing. I wonder if Barack means “peace” somewhere in the world.
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Oh, for heaven’s sake. It wasn’t a gaffe, it was just badly stated. EVERY new US president is challenged by some tinpot despot within his first year in office. That’s the way the world works. If McCain is elected, he’ll be challenged by some third-world idiot testing what McCain’s limits are.
Not to say that Biden isn’t a doofus. He is. But not because of this statement.
Bartrams_Garden on October 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM
Thank you, Cuffy. Sounds like Joe is trying to show who wears the big boy pants on the ticket. EGO!!
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:37 PM
Well now you’ve messed up my rage.
*nuzzles*
MadisonConservative on October 21, 2008 at 12:37 PM
What world leader in their right mind is going to test President John McCain? I think none.
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
Bishop, he might have wanted Biden to talk up his foriegn policy potential, but you can’t mean he wanted a statement like that?
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
RAAAAAAACIST!
txsurveyor on October 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
So is it good or bad that these gifts (Spread the wealth around, guaranteed manufactured international crisis if you elect Barry O) came so late in the campaign?
Too late or just in time?
Dash on October 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
I thought it was Swahili for “That One”.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 21, 2008 at 12:39 PM
How dare he report the truth!!!
Thirty days in the cooler.
Hening on October 21, 2008 at 12:40 PM
“Yeah”, Hawkdriver says to critics with his thumb on his nose, “Dear Leader isn’t a warmonger, he only attacks Americans who don’t agree with him!”
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM
I dunno — they yanked Biden off the trail pretty darned quickly after he said it. That gives me the impression that it was not a planned message and that it’s far more likely vintage Biden foot-in-mouth disease at work here.
aero on October 21, 2008 at 12:41 PM
I’m torn personally – part of me says “Why hasn’t this been going on the past 6 months??” while the other half says “Alright, right when it will still be fresh in everyone’s minds when they go to pull the lever.”
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 21, 2008 at 12:42 PM
That’s what a gaffe IS. A poorly-thought-out statement; a faux pas; a blunder.
aero on October 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM
With Biden, you have got to believe that only 50% of what he spews out his pie hole is planned. The rest is a stream of conciousness.
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:43 PM
So are we to take it that Rather read Card?
A gaffe is inadvertantly speaking an uncomfortable truth.
Iblis on October 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
“Plugs” is the gift that just keeps on giving…
d1carter on October 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Grue, we don’t really know what is going on with the public. The only guages we have are the media and those silly polls. Trust only what you can verify. McCain and Palin are pulling in huge crowds. They give a good message. We can use Biden as a bellweather.
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
Bishop, he might have wanted Biden to talk up his foriegn policy potential, but you can’t mean he wanted a statement like that?
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM
No I doubt he wanted something so creepy being said, but Obambi was stupid enough to trust Biden to say something without screwing it up. It’s why Joe took a break while his boss did too; keep the mistakes from piling up while Odimbulb is off the campaign trail.
Bishop on October 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM
I think it goes on more than we know. The press isn’t able to cover all their tracks. Some stuff gets out. The comment in SF about Clinging to their gun and religion with antipathy toward…” was unofficially recorded I think.
*Already Ate*
hawkdriver on October 21, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Isn’t it interesting that the Dems are delivering October surprises (spread the wealth, Obot1 won’t pass his first crisis test) to us?
Add Bonnie Fwank’s “the fundamentals are better than the psychology” crack about the economy (see HA’s post, Barney Frank wants more taxes) and MacPalin has all the ammo it needs for a late-game blitz.
either orr on October 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
Joe don’t do scripts! That’s the beauty of Joe. Listen long enough and you’ll get what you want.
bloggless on October 21, 2008 at 12:47 PM
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