Video: McCain supporters confront guy linking Obama to Islam
posted at 3:15 pm on October 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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That depends. Are the ones who kill in the majority or the minority? Are the ones who kill seen as lunatics by their own and the world at large or are they considered the pillars by and large?
Let’s try a real example.
Communism was a problem in this country. We had spies within our own government. It was a serious threat.
Does that excuse the House of UnAmerican Activities (I know it wasn’t McCarthy.) for pulling out people who were essentially harmless?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM
HUH? He CHOSE to go back to that name, even after he had legaly had another….
Is that not, then HIS CHOICE?
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Esthier…daaaaaahling…the foundation of Christianity is in the New Testament. For Christians, the Old Testament is more or less a thread of Messianic prophecy.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Please quit throwing out lies…where did he say despite the will of the American people…(please, don’t embarrass yourself and use an internet rumor hit piece as your resource like you did before).
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:42 PM
If the American people want to put muslims in internment camps after some sort of nuclear terrorist event…Baracka Hussein Osama says that he will GO AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE and side with the muslims.
Yet somehow in your deluded mind you think this is a good thing?
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Obviously the majority of people who are actually Muslims disagree with this.
The fact that they exist makes your arguments ridiculous.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Dude it is a direct quote from his book!
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Are you serious?!?! We are “liberals” because we would want the rights of American citizens respected? Because we would want to follow the U.S. Constitution? Because we belive in the rule of law?
You are a disgrace to true conservatism.
Abby Adams on October 20, 2008 at 4:46 PM
Except that the Muslim religion is “the following of Islam”, and the rules related to “following Islam” are outlined in the “Qur’an.” Unfortunately for Colin Powell’s argument, the Qur’an instructs all Muslims to practice terrorism by killing all non-believers.
Powell’s statement simply shows how ignorant he really is about Islam.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 4:47 PM
I wouldn’t go that far. I’d argue that it’s also our history.
But I’m not arguing against that. I’m only saying that Christians made a conscious decision to be different from those in Old Testament times.
The Bible says that God is the same today yesterday and forever. Well, if He hasn’t changed, then Christians have no reason to argue that what happened in the Old Testament is wrong, only that it doesn’t apply to us.
It was a decision in how they chose to interpret scripture.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:47 PM
And so much more.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM
Olaf, I’m sure the American Muslims wouldn’t want to be put in internment camps. Should we just say, “F it, screw the Constitution. They’re only a minority… deprive these American citizens of their rights.”?
Abby Adams on October 20, 2008 at 4:48 PM
It is a slippery sloap saying that freedom of religon is a good thing and then turn around and say exept for these guys mormons or muslims or quakers or jews or catholics.
This is something we have or we don’t have
I can see why it is just bad political stragy all the way around.
We have a 100,000 troop in a muslim nation at the moment and we are basically trying to tell them on the fact we are on there side. So to have a canadate try to go this route seems like the king of bad ideas
kangjie on October 20, 2008 at 4:50 PM
Uh, Abby, the Constitution provides for suspensions of lots of rights in times of emergency … say, if a US city got nuked or hit with a major chemical attack.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:51 PM
Yes, if some Orthodox Christians bomb a building, we should throw you in an internment camp?
There were thousands of honest, hard working Japanese Americans that owned businesses in America. They were forced, without any due process, to give up everything they owned, business, homes, everything, and move to an internment camp…by the will of the people.
You may think that is okay, but I don’t.
It isn’t siding with the Muslims, it is siding with freedom…the will of the people does not always prevail. That is why, as a representative Republic, we choose our leaders.
And you never answered about mis-quoting…a humble apology would be acceptable in the Christian world.
And just to set the record straight…if their was such an event, I also would be against interning innocent people, Muslims or not.
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM
For how long? Are we supposed to jail all Muslims so long as we fight a war on terror, a war that can likely have no end so long as terrorists are still alive?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:52 PM
FACT: Obama’s father was Muslim.
FACT: Obama was born a Muslim.
FACT: Obama’s step-father was Muslim.
FACT: Obama was registered at school as a Muslim.
Now, he may have strayed away from Islam once he got to Hawaii in his teens and he may have become a Christian once he entered the gentle tutelage of Reverend Jeremiah Wright but he was undeniably raised a Muslim.
Being a Muslim is fine. Nothing at all wrong with that, but pretending you never were a Muslim is not fine.
Having a stealth Muslim or even ex-Muslim as President at a time when we are engaged in a war with a portion of Islam does not seem the right move to me, and I’m sure most voters would agree if the facts weren’t being concealed by the MSM/DNC cabal and all the Republicans so desperate to appear politically correct.
Call me an ignorant racist bastard or whatever you like. This is how I see it.
Woody on October 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM
So much ignorance. You must have missed the polling data which indicates that an over-whelming majority of Muslims (including American Muslims) claim allegiance to Islam over country. We consistently have to listen to those of you who are too lazy to actually read the Qur’an telling us how sweet, innocent, and peaceful real Islam is.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Talk to me about AFTER NUKES are detonated in our cities and tens of millions are dead..
then you can try convincing President Hussein to change his position on siding with the muslims.
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:54 PM
I agree. And it is to the credit of Christianity that it taught what Jesus taught – even if so many Christians did not live up to those teachings.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 4:54 PM
Given the “church” he was “born again into” it is a wash as to whether he’d do more damage as a Wahabiist or a “Christian”.
sven10077 on October 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM
So, we’re rearguing WWII, now. Well, by all the arguments here I’d have to guess that nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki would have been taken off the table, along with all of the strategic bombing and fire-bombing of cities.
Uh huh.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM
Well, I’m pretty sure 0bama isn’t a muslim in his own mind, although the statement that he “has an islamic background” is undoubtedly true, in its loosest definition.
He DID attend a madrassa….. But I have read some fairly credible stuff that at the time he attended, Christians were allowed to attend and did not have to convert, although they did have to study the Qur’an and not be overt in their Christianity. His father and stepfather were both muslims, and while his ‘baby daddy’ split before he could have any impact 0bama’s religious beliefs, his muslim step father Lolo Sotero and his muslim school teachers would have influenced him during his early formative years.
Nonetheless I don’t believe that 0bama is a muslim. He probably has more symathy for the ‘muslim cause’ than the average Caucasian or Hispanic American, but that’s not NECESSARILY a bad thing.
I don’t believe he is a real Christian either; Nope, I believe that 0bama worships a different triumvirate: Marx, Engels and Mao. (With maybe a side of Mau Mau Yeah, wrong Kenyan ethnic group they were mostly Kikuyu instead of Luo {thanks, Baldilocks), but I kind of think that he probably likes some of their tactics.)
LegendHasIt on October 20, 2008 at 4:55 PM
And there may well be appropriate actions to take in such circumstance; in the extreme case, one might look to deport a large number of visa holders. However, rounding up all of the Muslim citizens in the country for internment would not be acceptable.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Another stupid argument. The Bible does not INSTRUCT God’s followers to brutally murder and wage never-ending war against non-believers.
Islam is not a religion. Islam is an eternal declaration of war.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Ask Christians whether they submit first to God or the State and you’ll get the same response.
None of us do. That’s why we need them and Christ.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Dude, I gave you the direct quote…you gave me an internet hoax. Your quote doesn’t exist in the book, go ahead dude and Google it…then apologize and ask forgiveness for your sin.
Dude, doesn’t that make you worry about how you think things out…you take an internet hoax over an actual quote.
Dude, use the truth, not what you want to hear…
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM
…let’s see here.
Had he chosen another name, his birth certificate would be under serious question.
He is going under his birth name, which you fault him for having, even though it was his parents which chose the name.
This kind of no-win crap is lapped up by liberals trying to prove a point. They thank you.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:57 PM
Esthier, Abby Adams,
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Why aren’t you concerned about the fact that Hamas is making calls for Obama from Gaza?
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How about the fact that Al Jazeera terrorist times came out in support of him?
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I don’t believe in the myth of the tiny minority of extremists. I believe the opposite is true. There is a tiny minority of moderates.
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If this weren’t the case, why weren’t the moderates falling over themselves to condemn Taheri’s running down of innocent civilians in North Carlolina? Where was their outrage at the 2 smiling terrorist with pipe bombs caught in Florida? The Christians and the Jews are always trying to outdo each other to condemn a member of their group that does anything remotely terrorist.
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Why have we lost our concern for the safety of the American public at large for the sake of multiculturalism and for fear of being called racist by those who would destroy us?
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It also doesn’t help that McCain has enlisted Spencer Abraham, a noted arabist, to support his campaign.
FactsofLife on October 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM
There isn’t going to be a President “Hussein,” you fucking maniac. And the Orthodox Church is not going to become the established church of the U.S.
Please…for god’s sake PLEASE take your medication.
Or stop drinking. Or huffing. Or shooting up. Or whatever the fuck it is you do or don’t do that makes you sound like a lunatic.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM
Quit stating what has been definitively disproven here or fuck off. Seriously.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:58 PM
That doesn’t mean that our Leader wasn’t considered an enemy of the state in His day. He was executed by the government after all.
The government doesn’t always believe what religious people claim their Bible preaches.
You don’t believe the moderate Muslims, so why should they believe you?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:59 PM
But you have to read what I wrote in context, you fool. You agree with me with your argument, the Japanese/Americans should have never been interned.
Man, we have a real comprehension problem with you and SaintOlaf…
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:59 PM
No they don’t. They may not all want to personally participate in quittal (violent combat – just one of many methods of jihad) but Islam is a religion which can be objectively studied and understood.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 5:00 PM
Again, you’re not paying attention. Read really carefully now …
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:00 PM
R2B, you and I have tangled in the past and have drawn blood now and then. But the fact that you and I are on the same side regarding Olaf tells me this guy is bad news.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Nope.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki may be the two most lifesaving acts of violence in history. I’ve got no problem with them. The firebombing was nastier, but still acceptable.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Completely different issues. I can be concerned about those issues and still think it’s bs to call Obama a Muslim or to link all Muslims to the actions of a fraction of them.
I said already (it would help if you read what I write instead of knee-jerkingly attacking me) that Muslims have condemned these actions and continue to do so. It’s not their fault that they do not get publicity for their actions.
I even posted links. Feel free to read them at your leisure.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:02 PM
The parents who raised him … in a muslim country.
What are you trying to argue, that one bears no connection to his parents or how or where he was raised? Really?
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I understand the frustration, but let’s leave the “F” or any other similar word out of posts.
I know how difficult it is, and how f’in dense some are, but we can drop those words.
Thanks…
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I could easily pull up ten concrete examples of it, but let’s make this REAL simple:
Quran; Surah 004: Ayah 089
Take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah. Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them.
Bible: Exodus 20 or Deuteronomy 5; The 6th Commandment:
You shall not murder.
LegendHasIt on October 20, 2008 at 5:03 PM
I did read it. The subject was about Muslims putting their faith before their government.
Christians will do the same. That’s a fact.
So it can be studied but only by people who believe it condones violence not by the overwhelming majority of Muslims who believe it does not?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Putting words in my mouth. I never faulted him for his name, just your assertion that he had no choice in the matter.
And there ARE questions about his birth certificate, which are still being adjudicated. There are also question of his citizenship (dual or otherwise)… there are a LOT of unanswered questions… and he just forments this by not realeasing his records (birth cert, college records… long list).
I love when you accuse those of us who want documentation on this guy, of helping the opposition.
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
You’re sounding completely idiotic. You obviously haven’t read the Qur’an. It doesn’t leave much to interpretation.
If you’re comfortable taking the word of Muslims regarding what their religion is about, and too lazy to read it for yourself, you’re hopeless.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Agreed. H & N sucked, but were necessary. Dresden and Tokyo compel me to swallow a lot of bile, but it becomes easier when I weigh them against the Rape of Nanking, the Bataan Death March and the Holocaust.
War sucks. It’s supposed to suck. The worse, the better, that it may deter us from engaging in it.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Whew. You were scaring me, for a second.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Just about.
As Madison said, he was raise Catholic. Now he’s an atheist (or agnostic, I don’t want to put words in his mouth).
Sometimes it sticks; sometimes it doesn’t.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM
There is a difference though in that Christianity both tells its followers to obey the law. More importantly Christianity is not a governing ideology.
On the other hand Islam is a total belief system and a political ideology which its believers are commanded to follow in contravention to the laws of non-Muslim lands.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 5:06 PM
We agree much more then disagree…with never a loss of respect.
But Olaf is a hypocrite, citing he is a Christian, then doing the most un-Christian things, without asking for forgiveness. Make me wonder about his true beliefs and his commitment to his Church….actually I don’t wonder, he has shown by his actions.
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM
You scumbag Obonga supporters are too dumb to even debate with..enjoy your obamafantasyland while you can..I will watch your mindless attempts to explain away the fact that Obama has “converted” to islam two months after he wins the presidency.
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 5:07 PM
There’s a big difference. Islam demands the power of State. Christianity does not. Islam is, at its heart, a political ideology with an associated mythology, not a religion.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Olaf is farking nuts. Ed needs to confine him to a rubber room, my friend.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Almost by definition.
Now I’m curious: why?
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM
Good God! Wow! I’m embarrassed for you. You accuse me of having a comprehension problem and then suggest that my comment agreed with the internment of Japanese Americans.
My comment was pretty clear in that it differentiated the Muslims from other groups.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:08 PM
And you’re sounding completely irrational. I’m glad we can agree that we don’t like each other. I was beginning to think it was one-sided.
Again, millions of Muslims disagree with you.
What matters most, what the book says, or what people do with what that book says?
The Bible says do not kill and instead talks of love and peace, but if Christians started turning into murderers after reading the book I’d begin to wonder. After all, many Christians used the Bible to justify slavery, so maybe things that seem cut and dry in hindsight aren’t necessarily so.
Words are just words. They’re symbols used to convey a message. How that message is received is far more important than what the message actually is.
So if millions of Muslims not only claim that Islam, to them at least, means peace and act in that regard in their daily lives, then I’m not just taking them at their word. I’m judging their actions instead.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Has Olaf officially jumped the shark at this point?
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 5:10 PM
Jumped the shark, nuked the fridge, phased into hyperspace, boldy going where no sane human has ever gone before…
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 5:12 PM
Ones upbringing stays with them, no matter how much they change as they grow older. It is a fact of their history and served to form the bulk of their personality.
Anyone who thinks that a person’s upbringing is irrelevant … I don’t even know what to say to that.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM
The overwhelming majority of Muslims know their religion is violent which is why they are ransacking several dozen countries throughout the world, have committed 10,000+ terrorist attacks in seven years and are pushing for sharia worldwide.
Shias and Sunnis fight each other in Michigan. Their presence will increase in the US and there will be more shootings (like the one at El Al in Chicago), more terrorist attacks (hopefully failed like the Fort Dix plot), more honour killings (Chicago, Texas) and more mayhem to come.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 5:13 PM
Because that’s where the “we violated X’s rights in WWII” arguments usually end up.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Here is proof for you…you state this:
See where you wrote that, you said I suggest that you agreed with the internment, and you are upset because I accuse you of comprehension problems.
Now here is what I posted:
See the words “you agree”, now look at the words “should have never” see those words.
That sentence says you did not agree with the internment, but your retort was that you were angry that I suggest you agreed with the internment.
You can now see why I state you have a comprehension problem.
Glad to help you out, this gives you something to work on.
You can also work on not taking words and statements out of context.
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Not when the law contradicts Christianity.
Christianity has been illegal at times, and Christians have broken the law because of that. The fish symbol, @ssholes like to turn into a Darwin fish, is actually about that persecution. Christians, reluctant to identify themselves in public, would draw half of the symbol in the sand. If the person they were talking to drew the other half, they’d know each other as siblings in Christ. Otherwise, they kept their mouths shut for fear of being executed by the state as Christ was.
If any aspect of Christianity is deemed a crime, most of us would break the law without a second thought.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Are you not capable of paying attention? How many times does it take for you to grasp that there’s a difference between Christians following instructions from God to be loving and peaceful to all people, while the Qur’an instructs followers to murder all non-believers wherever they live?
It’s really not that difficult to understand.
Bible instructs to love all.
Qur’an instructs to KILL all non-believers.
Let me put it in simple terms for you …
The Qur’an specifically instructs ALL Muslims to wage war and kill YOU (insert your name here) wherever you live.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Pretty funny when someone accuses some of the most vocal anti-0bama people here of being … what was that word… Oh yeah: “Obonga supporters”.
Just as bad as the hard core McCainiacs that equate being less than adoring to McCain as being FOR 0bama.
Olaf, honestly, you give both Christianity and Conservativism a bad name. I think a lot of us would agree with your basic values, but your tactics, your rage and your inability to use logic are counter productive.
LegendHasIt on October 20, 2008 at 5:16 PM
Staying with them, and them believing in it, are two different things.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM
For all who think islam is just like any other religion, I suggest you look at Turkey to see how muslims think about islam and its threat to a secular state. Ataturk understood islam better than anyone here, which is why the Turkish military is Constitutionally charged with keeping on alert for islamic takeovers of the government. In Turkey, the military is the ultimate power, because islam is so threatening to the state. We like to have states where the military is subservient to the civilian powers. This is the difference.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Subtract the ‘l’ from Olaf and you are left with ‘oaf.’
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 5:18 PM
Their numbers will increase through conversion (Islam is being thought as true in public schools up and down America), immigration (including a huge influx of refugees from Iraq and natural population growth.
You’ll understand when the violence becomes more frequent. George Washington once wrote that in a “democratical republic” people must feel an evil before they will see it, which is why, Washington concluded, this type of government is so slow to act.
You should make that your coda: “I, Esthier, must feel an evil before I will see it.”
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Except you’re clearly full of it, as the people you speak of only represent an estimated ten percent or so of all Muslims worldwide.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Every time he is caught telling these lies, posting inaccurate quotes, and then shown that it is un-Christian to do that, he flees.
He has done this several times just to me. I don’t let him off the hook about his sinful ways, and seeing as he sees himself as being so “righteous” he usually just drops out and never truly confronts his sin. He must be a tormented soul…best not to cast stones or show yourself as being so “righteous”…I pray for him (nawww, not really).
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 5:20 PM
I’m certainly feeling an evil here, in this group where people believe Muslims should be rounded up and jailed.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:21 PM
I don’t know. How many times are you going to ignore the moderates and only focus on the jihadists?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:22 PM
Well, I have to admit that I have less problem with the internment than when I was in highschool, where they were depicted as Nazi-equivalent prison camps, but it was still wrong. Not to mention stupid. In hindsight, the Japanese that immigrated to the US would have been largely the passivist peasants, and the Japanese nationalism looked down on living anywhere but Japan, so all that was accomplished was to hurt the local economy by destroying businesses and uprooting workers. Though I bet their competitors and the labor unions were all for it.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 5:23 PM
What I mean is that if anything that is an affront to Christianity such as legal abortions is made law the response is not violent revolution and the massive slaughter of all non-Christians and their subsequent subjugation.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 5:26 PM
You are completely ignorant. You admit that you have absolutely no idea what Islam is about and that you simply take the word of others instead of using your own brain to figure out the truth.
YOU and others like you are the reason we’re in this mess. Way too many people are far too happy to spend their lives in ignorance.
Muslims who are not killing non-believers and who believe in loving Christians and Jews … ARE NOT MUSLIMS. They are frauds. Sort of like people who claim to be Christian while going around aborting children, injecting heroin, sleeping with everyone they find attractive, and voting for Obama.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM
I thought he had already done so back when he was banninated for spamming for Huckabee. Did the powers-that-be at HA go soft and let him back in?
Alex_SF on October 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Cripes, do I have to do this again? Already?
That many, possibly most, of them do not go out and murder infidels does NOT mean that Islam is a wonderful religion. It means that the ones that ARE decent people, are, according to their book, sinners, for not following many of their 10 (to the tenth power) Commandments.
LegendHasIt on October 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM
You know, there was a time when I would sympathize with them.
But, seriously, this country has been very nice to atheists, in comparison and relative.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 5:27 PM
During WWII, there were just about 80 million people in Germany.
At its HEIGHT the Nazi party had about 8.5 million members.
It does not take a Majority to propel a people into war.
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 5:28 PM
Ouch. During the occupation, there were only 60 million.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 5:30 PM
According to you, but you’re not a Muslim, so your opinion on the subject of who is and who is not a real Muslim is as worthless as Judas explaining who is and who is not a real follower of Jesus.
I’m fully aware of the quote. As I wrote, obviously millions of Muslims disagree that the quote is a directive to them personally.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:30 PM
I’m not just speaking of people who engage in quittal (violent jihad) but anyone who engages in jihad of any kind. For instance those who pay the zakat (charity donations to jihadist groups); those who try to intimidate non-Muslims into submission (the “good cop” to the violent jihadists “bad cop”) such as the MCB and CAIR; those who file frivolous lawsuits nitpicking at imaginary “discrimination”; and those large numbers of people who answer in opinion polls that they would prefer to live under sharia in the US.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM
I can sympathize with atheists. I do not however care for those who would make light of Christians who were tortured and executed.
Of course not. But it certainly helps to be the one in power. Surely you can see the difference?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM
Aengus and Gregor
You have no clout
You better not try
You better watch out, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
A-Bomb is on list
I’ll use more than twice
Good Muslims who die
Will go to paradise
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
He knows if you’re a Christian
He knows if you’re a Jew
He knows if you’re an in-fi-del
He’s told me what to do
So….You have no clout
You better not try, I’m telling you why.
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Twelfth Imam is coming to town
Aleph on October 20, 2008 at 5:33 PM
With the exception of this last one, those are who I am talking about as well.
As to this last one, just because someone wants to live under their religious laws, it doesn’t necessarily make them any kind of threat.
Christians in this country obviously want the same or else we wouldn’t still be debating homosexual marriage.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:34 PM
You do realize that Germany was a Democracy? That Hitler and his partys were essentialy voted into their initial power positions (which they then took advantage of to perpetuate and increase their power).
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 5:35 PM
Hey not2bright! Nice try.
Unfortunately, you didn’t post a single word from my original comment, which had absolutely nothing to do with Japanese Americans. My comment only mentioned Muslims and Islam. But you did this on purpose, didn’t you.
You’ve inhabited this site with your lies and dishonest attacks on others since it was founded.
Here’s the portion of your comment that I posted and replied to:
And my entire response:
Nothing in there about Japanese Americans, is there you lying scumbag?
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:37 PM
I once saw another mocking of the christian fish symbol – moreso than the darwin fish with feet. it was a photo that I once saw but can’t find now. Someone had gotten three plastic vehicle fish emblems, broke off the top part of the fish tail, and stuck three of them vertically, looking down. It formed ‘666.’
Nice, huh? They hated christianity so much and wanted to PO other christians by turning the symbol that they love into such a hateful message to them.
wise_man on October 20, 2008 at 5:37 PM
GAAHAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Do you know ANYTHING about Sharia law? Do you realize that a LARGE tenent of SHARIA law is that it MUST be in primacy over “Secular” Law? And NOT just for Moslems?????
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 5:37 PM
Moderate Unicorns
In medieval times, people created fairy tales and magical creatures to make sense of their world. One of the most endearing is the unicorn, a horse with a single horn that symbolized purity and wholesomeness. In our modern times, people in Europe and the United States consider themselves more sophisticated and rational than people from the Middle Ages, but we still create myths, albeit more subtle ones.
Daily we hear reports of violent acts committed by Islamic terrorists on every inhabited continent. We try to wish it away with the myth of the ‘Moderate Muslim’, telling ourselves the Islamic agenda has been’ hijacked’ by a ‘tiny minority of extremists’ and that soon the huge, silent, moderate majority of Muslims will take charge and change things. However, post 9/11 very few Muslims have condemned terrorist actions. We are still waiting for moderates to stand and deliver, identifying and removing extremist thugs from their mosques and their communities. Waiting for this self-correction is our modern version of searching for unicorns.
Moderate Muslims will not be able to wrest control of the agenda for several reasons. First of all, Mohammed, the Messenger of Allah’s eternal word, was not moderate. No moderate can legitimately tell another Muslim to stop doing the extremist things Mohammed himself did. Also, the Qur’an condones violence and coercion to further the Islamic agenda. People whom we call moderates are labeled hypocrites by Allah Himself in the Qur’an. Moderates will always lose the argument because, as ex-Muslim author Ibn Warraq says, “There may be moderates in Islam but Islam itself is not moderate.”
Islamic expert Daniel Pipes and others estimate ten percent of the Islamic world to be militant. In 1933 when the Nazi party took control of Germany it had 2 million members, comprising only three percent of Germany’s sixty-six million citizens. A tiny minority of extremists can control a vast number of moderates, making them irrelevant.
Placing hope in ‘The Moderate Muslim’ is like searching for unicorns in the forest.
- A_Plague_on_Both_Houses
MB4 on October 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM
Those things really make me sick.
Yes. I’m not actually a fan of direct Democracy for that reason. What’s your point? That only seems to prove my point which is that they had power and a majority.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM
No sh!t!
So do laws governing homosexual marriage. So did laws governing the illegality of sodomy. So do liquor laws which mandate that stores cannot be open on Sunday.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:41 PM
Very much not true.
I don’t believe the moderates will be able to take over. How can they? The zealots will kill them.
The zealots only need know one thing, how to die by the sword they wield.
Then, maybe the moderates will be safe enough to change things.
I’m only arguing that we cannot outlaw an entire ideology. We didn’t with Communism, and that posed a much more serious threat than anything a bunch of cave-dwellers ever could.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM
Ahh, Lets quit picking on Esthier. She is a nice lady who embodies nearly everything that a good Christian should be. That she is incredibly naive about the Mohammadans is just a necessary adjunct to her basic decency. Since she is not in a position of power makes it harmless.
LegendHasIt on October 20, 2008 at 5:48 PM
Communism falls under it’s own weight. Islam is not about to. BTW, I don’t know where you get this simplistic cave-dweller restriction from.
MB4 on October 20, 2008 at 5:48 PM
The absolutely laughable irony and hypocrisy in this statement is embarrassing.
Even more absurd than the first line, and the bolded part of that comment is a pretty good indication of just how phony right2bright really is.
Gregor on October 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM
Imagine there’s no Islam
It’s hard but you can try
No suicide hijackers coming down at us
Above us only sky
Imagine all those people
Still alive today…
Imagine there’s no Islamic countries
It’s hard but you can try
No Mohammad for them to kill or die for
And no Imams too
Imagine all the Christians, Jews and Infidels
Living life without them…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday all dhimmis will join us
And the non-Islamic world will be as one
Imagine no Burkhas
I wonder if you can
No need for Medina or Meca
A brotherhood of non-Islamic woman and man
Imagine all the people
Living without Sharia…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday all dhimmis will join us
And the non-Islamic world will be as one
MB4 on October 20, 2008 at 5:50 PM
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property – either as a child, a wife, or a concubine – must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
- Winston Churchill
Here was the new Koran of faith and war: turgid, verbose, shapeless, but pregnant with its message.
- Winston Churchill (Equating Adolf Hiler’s “Mein Kampf” with the Koran in his book the “The Gathering Storm”)
MB4 on October 20, 2008 at 5:55 PM
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