Video: McCain supporters confront guy linking Obama to Islam
posted at 3:15 pm on October 20, 2008 by Allahpundit
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In other, other news, Barry whines to the Justice Department about ACORN investigations. Believes Booooosh is in collusion with McCain campaign.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Fer cripes sake…Why do these idiots still go around saying Obama is a Muslim?
There’s a lot not to like about Obama…but let’s be real here. Good for them for calling this guy out.
Will this vid be posted on HuffPo, DKos, or DU? Eh, what am I thinking…
JetBoy on October 20, 2008 at 3:51 PM
I’ve met Bernard Lewis, ManlyRash (great name by the way, very appropriate for you). He did business with my Father. I have a signed copy of Dragomans. You should re-read whatever you think you know about Lewis’s position on Islam.
… Dummy.
Dash on October 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Barry’s going to regret sticking up for these criminal creeps when the investigation starts digging up gold nuggets.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Because there’s still idiots on our side, and will always be. However, considering the real threats that Obama poses, it’s hard to turn away their votes.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 3:53 PM
Actually, that appears to be exactly what you’re stating, otherwise why respond to the person you quote?
It has happened. They just don’t get as much air time as the idiots who want to kill us over cartoons.
Hot Air has posted many of them.
Here are a few links.
Yeh Hum Naheen (This is not us)
DISSENT CRUSHED
Muslims mourn silently and speak out against terrorism
Islamic Statements Against Terrorism
That’s just a handful of sites and shouldn’t at all be considered even remotely exhaustive. Obviously those who speak out cannot do as much as those who brought the towers down, but it isn’t fair to claim that Muslims aren’t speaking out and haven’t tried.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 3:54 PM
“I will stand with the muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Baracka Hussein Obama in “The Audacity of Hope”
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 3:54 PM
In other, other, other news, guess who PahKEEstahn (sound it out) thinks has stolen the election.
Dr.Cwac.Cwac on October 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
The bumper sticker peddlers are moby’s. Pure and simple.
baxtrice on October 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Because Obama is an awesome, unimpeachable candidate with no flaws, so we have to make them up. If it weren’t for the Muslim charge, no one could find a reason to vote against him.
frankj on October 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Proof that there are idiots on each side.
sheesh on October 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM
These are fringe loons — just like there are loons on Obama’s side…and there are, William Ayers anyone?
Richard Romano on October 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Evidence that Obama has been exposed to Islamic ideas: fairly strong.
Evidence that Obama has ever considered himself a Muslim: Week.
Evidence that Obama now considers himself a Muslim: nothing but a possible misstatement.
Evidence that Obama has been influenced by ideology related to Islam: some (Farrakhan).
Evidence that Islamic sentiments would cause Obama to harm the US should he be elected president: far fetched.
…
Evidence that Obama has been exposed to Marxist ideas: Indisputable.
Evidence that Obama has ever considered himself a Socialist: Fairly strong.
Evidence that Obama now considers himself a Socialist: see “Obama tax plan” and “Joe the Plumber.”
Evidence that Obama has been influenced by ideology related to Socialism: a lot (Wright, Ayers, etc.).
Evidence that Marxist sentiments would cause Obama to harm the US should he be elected president: Overwhelming.
…
Just because something might be true doesn’t mean it is helpful to to you to advertise it.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Two reasons:
1) There are bigger fish to fry. Obama has not been openly “muslim” (as far as I know) at any point of his political career. His upbringing is troubling, but what is more disturbing are his radical, leftist connections a la Ayers, Wright, etc. We can make a stronger case against him based on these issues than based on his “muslim background.”
2) This issue does not resonate well with voters. It has been shot down in the eyes of most Americans. Even if you think it’s true, hell, even if it is true (I personally don’t think so), it’s not a winning issue for us. And by continuing to press it, we are opening ourselves up to a very easy charges of “rascism” and “gutter politics.” I’d rather make the case based on his left wing Liberal Fascist philosophy (a la Goldberg’s book) than based on an alleged muslim background. Why unnecessarily open yourself up to these attacks when better ones can be made?
darii on October 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Er … the snopes piece is about:
Claim: Illinois senator Barack Obama is a “radical Muslim” who “will not recite the Pledge of Allegiance.”
I don’t recall my saying anything about BHO currently being a muslim or being a “radical muslim”, at that. I said that he has obvious and overt ties to islam, which he does. Why is anyone working so hard to deny the obvious?
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM
See the end of this article for clarification.
Give up this stupid crap, already. Give. It. Up.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM
You’re an idiot — the man spent 20 years in a church (I know, it’s not a orthodox Christian church, but a church nonetheless) and he has socialist tendencies….that’s a far cry from being a closet Muslim and a communist.
“Conservative” jerks like you give the MSM gas for the fire.
Richard Romano on October 20, 2008 at 3:59 PM
well is it not true that he went to an Islamic school and was listed as Muslim on his registration? I think that is true… should I go hunt down the link? I’m sure you already have it too…
when a child is taught to believe a certain way, it’s relevant.
is Farrakhan not Muslim?
did he not anoint the “One” as the Messiah?
does Farrakhan not wield tremendous power in the black Muslim world?
just asking questions…
Kaptain Amerika on October 20, 2008 at 4:00 PM
And you’re so brave, aren’t you? Speaking “truth” to “power” from the comfort of your keyboard.
You’re right on that one point, which is why it is stupid to call it racism when in fact it is religious bigotry. Feel better now?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:01 PM
It should be enlightening to many here that there are Muslims supporting John McCain. And Christians who are not bothered by that.
rockmom on October 20, 2008 at 4:01 PM
Mac needs all the votes he can get.
darii on October 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM
There is only one church that he has obvious and overt ties to, and it’s not Islamic.
I love how to so many people, “obvious” is relative.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM
Brilliant, Richard. The guy was raised in a muslim country, going to school as a muslim during his formative years, with a muslim father and then stepfather. No muslim ties there … Silly me.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM
SaintOlaf, since you are so adamant about you being a “true christian”, please if you make a statement like that back it up with facts. Otherwise we will think you are just making things up, and that wouldn’t fit with your “Christian” objectives…what would that make you if you were not telling the truth?
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:03 PM
There may be moderate Muslims but Islam itself is not moderate.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM
And hell, that church is BAD ENOUGH!
Could you imagine Obama having to throw the entire Muslim faith under the bus?
HornetSting on October 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Dumbass… I was at a party the other day debating an Obama supporter (and winning) and a friend’s mother piped up about Obama being a Muslim and the like. I wanted to say “cork it, you’re not helping here” however I didn’t want to be rude to my friend’s mother.
You know what they say, never argue with an idiot because someone may walk by and not know who the idiot is.
Claypigeon on October 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Remember that in 1992 Billy Clinton told an adoringly sympathetic Steve Kroft of 60 minutes that he was “A changed man.” All those scandals and trysts were behind him now and the sycophant press of that election cycle wanted you to believe it.
Apply that experience to Obambi’s willingness to say anything to anyone to get elected. Then remember Al Gore’s famous saying that a leopard can’t change his stripes.
viking01 on October 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM
You people are really going to force me to defend Barack Obama of all people?
Dash on October 20, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Why are some people working so hard to prove what is already known?
Yes, Obama has Muslim family members and went to a school where Islam was taught. And? What’s your point there?
Kids have no say in the matter. It doesn’t prove anything. I’m sure every single person out here can name someone raised Christian, maybe even someone who went to a Catholic school, who now believes it’s all bs.
So really, what’s the purpose?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:05 PM
So, should the US go all internment camp on Muslims, Obama has pledged to oppose it. So would a lot of people.
Focus. This is part of how he wins, but trying to distract people with inconsequentials that people feel strongly about.
Are you telling me that if, say, Hillary was running against a Republican with solid constitutional, foreign policy, and capitalistic cred that happened to be Muslim, you would vote for Hillary?
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 4:05 PM
So, now you’re pulling the same “present tense” argument that the Obamabots love. Ties have to do with history.
Tell me Madison, are you saying that BHO has no muslim connections? Is that really what you are trying to say?
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:06 PM
a few of obamas friends
Obama’s anti-semitic friends:
“Mentor” Frank Davis
“Reverend” Al Sharpton
“Reverend” James Meeks
“Reverend” Jeremiah Wright
“Reverend” Otis Moss III
“Minister” Louis Farrakhan
“Pastor” Michael Pfleger
“Reverend” James Bevel
“Reverend” Eric Lee
“Pastor” Mack King
George Soros
Syrian Tony Rezko
Saddam Hussein’s gun-running bagman Nadhmi Auchi
Samantha Power
Edward Said
Rashid Khalidi
Ali Abunimah
General Tony McPeak
Robert Malley
Susan Rice
Anthony Lake
William C. Ayers
Bernadine Dohrn
Raila Odinga
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Jodie Evans
The Black Panthers
Lawrence Lessig
Sam Graham-Felsen
Joseph Cirincione
Cornell West
with friends like these, who worries about enemy’s?
christene on October 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM
I think that’s for Muslims to decide. The fact that moderate Muslims exist is proof that it’s possible and that Islam can be brought around to that direction.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Y’all are to the left of “Hannity’s America.”
YYZ on October 20, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Esthier,
To me, the central failing of our military strategy is in not naming our enemy as our enemy, and our rules of engagement in the war speak to that…meaning that in our Powell-like rush not to throw the baby out with the bathwater, we hamstring our ability to win, or dominate, like we did in ww2.
So when I hear things like Powell said, I am reminded that we won the war because we were able to identify our enemy, and destroy him utterly…and people’s “rights” and “feelings” and “discrimination” were subservient to the goal…I know you can point me to moderate muslim reaction to 9/11…I just know what I saw on 9/11, and that was a world rejoicing.
hippie_chucker on October 20, 2008 at 4:08 PM
Obviously you don’t believe the ideology of Islam is a problem, but as a hypothetical what if it is as bad as nazism? How can the U.S. resist without destroying one of the very pillars of it’s ideological foundation? I believe this is why the West will fail against Islam, because to resist Islam is to resist it’s own nature.
DFCtomm on October 20, 2008 at 4:08 PM
I don’t know about his current church, but the one he just severed ties to does actually have some muslim ties, though they may not be very strong.
Again, though, beside the point.
Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 4:09 PM
Two good reasons, and in the final couple of weeks, that is all you need to take it off the table.
Obama isn’t ready…Obama is hiding from the press…Obama is the most liberal senator…if you like how the economic fiasco came to light under a democratic committee chair, you are going to love Obama’s economic plan…Obama doesn’t know foreign affairs…Obama is the consummate insider…Obama will raise your taxes…business will be driven out of the country by his proposal…Obama is protecting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac…and more, all more important and more provable then trying to convince people he is a Muslim, after skewering him for being in Wrights “Christian” church for 20 years.
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Haha. Never going to happen.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:10 PM
Its not possible and it won’t happen.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 4:10 PM
so all we have to do is re-write the Qur’an… that should be pretty easy… then Islam can be “brought around”
lol you’re funny.
Kaptain Amerika on October 20, 2008 at 4:11 PM
I had a Muslim friend in grade school. That gives me a “Muslim connection”. That doesn’t make me Muslim.
You’re making the same damned argument.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Come on, aengus. All these nice Westerners are trying to show how tolerant they are of an intolerant ideology that has done nothing but cause them trouble and heartache for centuries.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:13 PM
Sorry, Dash. I meant Bernard Lewis the scholar…not Bernard Lewis the fabric distributor. Assuming you actually have the prized tome in your hands you might want to crack it open and have a peek. You’ll be surprised at what you find.
Nice try, though.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Er … okay.
Muslim friend in grade school
Muslim father and stepfather, muslim country growing up, muslim in school
Yep. No difference there. Same level of connections. You’ve convinced me.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM
I had my McCain-Palin sticker stolen from my car window last night. It lasted about 24 hours since I put in on.
I take great pride in being associated with the reasonable McCain/Palin backers who QUESTIONED and DEBATED with this loon, instead of using the tactics of the all-too-typical Obama supporters.
+1 for rationality against (sometimes violent) suppression of free speech.
fred5678 on October 20, 2008 at 4:15 PM
Yes, some people rejoiced. They weren’t even all Muslims for crying out loud.
Yes, we have real enemies. Are they all Muslims? Should we declare war on Islam?
This is getting ridiculous. You want Muslims to speak out against this, but when I show you proof that they have, you act as though it’s nothing all because the news on 9/11 focused on the ones who hate us who aren’t even necessarily Muslim.
For the record, Europeans hate us too and also celebrate 9/11. That’s what happens when you’re the country in charge. You get enemies who enjoy seeing the big guy get hit.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:16 PM
You’re either a real moron or you just like to take the wrong side of every argument..
How many U.S. presidential candidates dress like this:
http://www.americans-working-together.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mccain_and_obama_young.jpg
name one please.
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Obambi is hiding from himself with the press’ blessing. Otherwise, he would have been able to answer debate “yes” or “no” questions instead of three minutes of repeating the question asked then dancing around the edges.
viking01 on October 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM
SaintOlaf, I don’t know how many times you have been told this, but numerous…you can’t just throw out quotes that you make up and expect to have any respect. You are an embarrassemnt.
Here is the actual quote from “The Audacity of Hope”.
You quoted an internet hoax that has been circulating for about a year…pathetic…
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Given the dubious veracity of your posts so far, what the hell…go for it.
Thrall us with your acumen.
ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM
Freedom of Speech, unless it upsets the Muslims!
Pathetic how the campaign member ran out to appease the Muslims. The girl threatened to change her vote based on this guy’s opinion. How weak. The GOP doesn’t need fair weathered voters!
Agree or disagree with this guy, we shouldn’t silence him because the Muslims got their feelings hurt.
rightwingmom on October 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM
I’m guessing that the same bigots that are calling him Muslim were protesting Romney because he was a Mormon. By their logic, we should have all been supporting Hillary, a Baptist.
Now, this Christian will try to proselytize any Mormon or Muslim within a 10 block radius, but I certainly won’t disqualify a politician based on his religion. If his religion affects his policies, then I will attack his policies and leave his private beliefs between him and his Maker.
I thought freedom of religion and taxation were the major reasons for the flight from England? Why are conservatives attacking freedom of religion and taking so long to jump on the anti-tax bandwagon?
craig on October 20, 2008 at 4:18 PM
Correction. I don’t believe it has to be a problem.
Some Muslims use their faith to justify destroying all infidels, and I do not pretend otherwise.
Some use their faith to justify obeying the law and never taking another life. Obviously those people are not the problem.
I believe Sharia is the problem, and I believe idiots are the problem, but I don’t automatically label the millions of Muslims who do not participate in violent jihad in any way shape or form (including donations or words of support) with the ten percent who do.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:18 PM
where is Mr. Spenser when you need him.
DFCtomm on October 20, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Whats amazing to me is that people will label Nazi’s as a POLITICAL party, even though they had religious components… and philosophy…
But Islam, which has religious, legal, philisophical, and political componts is given the status of a religion, and thus cannot be talked about as being WRONG.
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:17 PM
So when Barack Hussein Obama says he will side with the muslims despite the will of the American people you think that’s a good thing?
Wow…you are one wacked out Obamaniac!
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Gee, I’m pretty sure that link I supplied that you largely ignored claimed that his father was an atheist or agnostic.
Oh, and by the way, I was sent to Catholic middle school.
Guess which religion I don’t belong to.
Go down to McDonald’s. They have plenty more straws for you to grasp at.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Surprise!
We really are all in this together… and believe it or not, we’re all on the same Internet, too.
And sometimes, just sometimes, we can all agree on the same thing.
Here’s hoping we can find more.
Mal Carne on October 20, 2008 at 4:22 PM
Wait! Was that Jimmah Cahtah? He flies his ass all over the world overseeing “fair” elections. Where is he when this country needs some overseein’? Nevermind.
Brat on October 20, 2008 at 4:23 PM
Yup. I’ve been saying for years that islam needs to be reclassified as the political ideology it is. But, looking at how some people are tryig to defend the actual ideology of islam, here, …
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Fine and dandy but that wasn’t my question. I asked you that if hypothetically the ideology of Islam was as problematic as Nazism, then how could we deal with it since it’s a religion. My assertion was that western civilization cannot without violating it’s own tenants, and unmaking itself. The West is literally damned if it does and damned if it doesn’t.
DFCtomm on October 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM
There hasn’t been any attacks on freedom of religion. However its important to tell the truth about Islam. It is very wrong to lie about it as President Bush does or to proclaim that it is moderate out of ignorance or a liberal fundamentalist worldview.
Read instead the studied opinions of Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, John Quincy Adams and William Eaton
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM
No, I just like to pay attention to the truth, which I provided for you, and you completely f’ing ignored. Ignore this:
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Actually, it does. It’s stupid to pretend otherwise.
You’re not. You’re actually very sad.
The fact remains that Christians decided early on which direction their religion would go. The New Testament was decided on by a bunch of men. They created new scripture.
If we can do it, why can’t Muslims?
And they wouldn’t necessarily need a complete rewrite. The Christian Bible has some passages that are just as violent as anything in the Koran if not worse (a blade going all the way in a man and coming out on the other side; a woman being cut into 12 pieces after she was raped the entire night before; a man’s eyes being gouged out…). The difference is how Christians interpret those passages. We view them as history. They view there’s as current mandates.
Obviously not all Muslims view them that way, or else it wouldn’t be possible for their to be moderate Muslims.
Drop the snark and actually try looking at this issue critically. You demean yourself otherwise.
That’s not for you to decide.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM
The only jackass here is the idiot that says Obama is a socialist with an islamic background. He lost votes for McCain and made conservatives look like a bunch of stupid bigots, which they are anyway.
barry norris on October 20, 2008 at 3:23 PM
and bush and the rep didn’t lose the 2006 election because of overspending and out of control big government. They lost it because they were not liberal enough. Please. Obama’s father was a communist, his mentor Frank Marshell was a communist, His friend William Ayers thought capitalism was the ultimate evil. So to say that Obama is a communist is closer to the truth than to say that Obama is a free market capitalist that believes in democracy.
As far as being muslim. Obama in his own words did not convert to Black theology “christian” until he was 27 years old. As a child he was enrolled in a madrass in Indonesia. You have to be muslim to get in. It is a muslim school. So while Obama may not be a practicing muslim he has roots in the muslim religion.
So if you want truth you could say that Obama is a reformed communsit muslim that renounced Islam and communist teachings for some weird type of christian black belief and hard left socialism.
Exit question. Obama’s renouncing of Islam would carry a death sentence in most muslim countries right?
As far as the muslim religion is concerned if you are born a muslim you are a muslim and if you renounce it you can be sentenced to death.
unseen on October 20, 2008 at 4:25 PM
Well I’ll be…
JetBoy on October 20, 2008 at 4:26 PM
This Christian would stand with Muslims too. Just because Obama is a slick socialist salesman does not mean that we should take quotes out of context to prove something that he is not. Personally, I think he believes in himself more than any religion.
craig on October 20, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Yes and Baracka Hussein claimed at the 2004 Dem convention that his father was a “non practicing christian” also….will the media hold him accountable?
Of course not.
What will you morons defending him say when he (like his buddy Keith Ellison) announces his “conversion” to islam two months AFTER he takes office?
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Just going to put this out there:
There are radical, violent, America-hating Muslims in the world. None of us likes them. They are evil.
Many of us are not Muslims. We think that Islam is not the true religion. In repect to being metaphysically and theologically correct, Christians, Atheists, Jews, and all non-Muslims do not like Islam.
Not all Muslims are actively trying to destroy America. In fact, very few appear to be proactive in this respect.
But we all dislike Marxists and Socalists. They will destroy America as we know and love her.
So in conclusion: Let’s kick some socialist ass.
Exactly. It’ll just take a lot of work.
darii on October 20, 2008 at 4:26 PM
As an athiest, I have to say, Islam and Christianity are entirely opposites. See, when someone does something horrible in the name of Christianity, it actually goes against what Christ taught. Not so much with Mohammed. That guy was a cult leader, a monster, of the worst kind.
MattMacD on October 20, 2008 at 4:26 PM
Okay. I submit. You win. BHO has no muslim connections and anyone even mentioning the word islam around Hussein, or talks about some silliness like being raised in a muslim country is a bigot and a fool.
Thanks for the help. I hadn’t realized that I am as closely tied to islam as Hussein is.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:27 PM
Let’s just sum it up, obama is not a good “man” IMO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZDRzTH8j7s
christene on October 20, 2008 at 4:28 PM
I realize that, but your question presupposed an answer that was incorrect. In correcting your assumption, I no longer found your question valid. I still do not.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:28 PM
Ah, so you discussed what your name would be with your parents? What? You mean you had no choice in what your name was?
Neither did Barack. Wanna keep going?
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:24 PM
Yuo do not understand. the bible was written by other people. The muslims believe that the Koran was written by Allah himself. That the prophet mohammand simply worte the word of Allah down as Allah gave it to him.
Big difference. Consider the Koran as more like the ten commandments to the muslims. What you are suggesting would be like Christians and Jews deciding that we need a rewrite of the ten commandments. There is a big difference.
unseen on October 20, 2008 at 4:29 PM
So Hussein announces he will “Stand with the muslims” DESPITE THE WILL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE when the American people want to put them in internment camps after a nuclear terrorist event….and you brainwashed liberals think that is a good thing?
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Completely agree. He stayed in that church because he didn’t really care what the reverend said so long as it gave him credibility being in that pew, which it did. Then, it no longer did, and now he’s left the church.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Huh?
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:30 PM
WOW! I guess they now realize how Christians, who live in the shadow of Islam, in the Middle East and Asia feel.
DFCtomm on October 20, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Let’s focus on the obvious socialistic tendencies of Obama and don’t weaken those arguments with this sophomoric diatribe that has been going on. The only Islamic, Muslim entities I fear are the entities already in this country and my state in particular as well as all the Islamic fundamentalist countries that wish me dead because I will not submit and am Catholic. I’ll never apologize for calling Mohammedanism a murderous cult.
MNDavenotPC on October 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM
The West has been fighting Islam for over a thousand years. Fighting against Islam has helped shape the West as it is.
What you really mean is that the modern, liberal West cannot effectively fight Islam without jettisoning liberalism as the core ruling dynamic of society. Which is probably true.
However a society can still be free and good without elevating liberal principles like blind non-discrimination above all others.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Obama is not hiding his Muslim background, he is hiding from his Muslim background. It’s not the most popular thing to be in the west today in spite of our amazing tolerance for abiding with potential troublemakers.
His formal ties were probably cut when he was shipped to his white grandparents in Hawaii.
It is hard to tell who is leading who around by the nose, between the far left and Islam. They certainly are allied at some level.
The truth about Islam is surprisingly easy to find if you want to know. Most don’t. But when you do it is much easier to see what is happening on the globe right now.
Of course not all Muslims are radicals. The radicals have been educated in the original pure form of Islam and all those peaceful ones have just not been called on properly yet. All “religions” are not the same in nature. Islam is a fox among chickens.
Seven, there are lots of plants in sites such as this . Right now they would be cheerleading demoralization and surrender.
BL@KBIRD on October 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Not true. Mohammed dictated the Koran. From Wikipedia:
Just a clarification. You two can now go back to your argument.
darii on October 20, 2008 at 4:32 PM
He never said that, you worthless little liar. I provided the quote, and you are making up what he said. Either pay attention or quit walking around saying that grass is red.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:33 PM
The problem everyone is having here is that Barack is lying about his political relationships and core beliefs and is most accurately defined as a Universalist. That’s why the argument will never end. He’s neither Muslim nor Christian as defined by both faiths. He is not a radical revolutionary but he supports that line of thinking. He is neither capitalist nor is he a Communist. He is neither pro-American not anti-American. He is a citizen of the world, a man of many colors, a believer in many things, and he is a community and election organizer.
His faith and politics are like his support for his favorite teams in the World Series…he sees positives and negatives with both and supports both. Is he a Phillies fan? Yes and no. Rays fan? Yes and no.
That’s what the debate needs to progress more sanely when discussing the fractured mind of Barack Obama.
econavenger on October 20, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Um, actualy, Barry had to change his name legaly more than once.
He was adopted in Indonesia by his stepfather, and his name was Soetero. He was apparently adopted by his Grandparents in Hawaii, and easily could have changed his name to theirs.
He has had a NUMBER of names during his lifetime, depending on his legal status at the time… and could, if he had wished, changed it to somthing else.
He DID change his name, back to its origional birth Cert name (we think, no one haveing seen the actual birth cert.)
Romeo13 on October 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Hear, hear.
progressoverpeace on October 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Sorry, but I’m not buying that.
I’ve never met a Christian who claimed the Bible wasn’t at least inspired by God. In fact, I was in “Bible Quiz” as a child, and the very first question whose answer you have to memorize is the answer to “What is the Bible?” Answer: (still have it memorized) The Bible is the inspired Word of God given to man of Himself and His plan for salvation.
Basically it’s got men as secretaries dictating or interpreting what God actually said. There really isn’t a difference here, just ask Olaf or one of our other resident “prophets”.
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM
*Standing on the rooftop…screaming my ass off*
Nothing good is going to come from this bickering.
It has already begun.
Conservatives on a conservative blog are now going after each other with a venom I have yet to understand.
We are not the enemy here people.
It is “divide and conquer” tactics.
And you’re falling for it.
You’re playing into the Lefts hands.
This will not go unnoticed by them.
Don’t you get it.
Fools.
I’m buying more ammo.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on October 20, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Er… Hope and Change?
Okay, maybe not Obama’s version of it… but maybe someday we can stop paying people to yell the most extreme viewpoints possible at us and actually talk? (I’m looking at you, Coulter, Franken, Moore, Savage and all the rest of the MSM talking heads…)
Sigh.
To quote my favorite author: “Wouldn’t it be pretty to think so.”
Mal Carne on October 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Typical brain damaged liberal thought process.
Yes it is perfectly fine NOT to vote for a guy because he is muslim.
Yes it is NOT ok to lie to us about his religion.. how hard is that to understand.
You brainless liberals had the exact same thought process regarding Bill clinton…”so what it was just a BJ”
Who cares that the guy lied over and over and over and over again UNDER OATH….too much for you to understand right?
SaintOlaf on October 20, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Imagine a religion well call Malsi, and this religion tells it’s followers to kill or convert everyone in the world
. Some of it’s followers ignore this command, but others obey it. Is this religion a problem, and if it is then how do we deal with it? When any action we take against a specific religion undermines our own ideology.
DFCtomm on October 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM
And what, two wrongs make a right?
Esthier on October 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM
And again I ask, how was he able to choose his name? If he’s gone back to the name his parents gave him, it’s not a name he chose.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:37 PM
I believe the proper term is not “Universalist” but “Opportunistic Self-Serving Liar”. But good point about his slippery dissembling persona. He is a symbol in the mathematical sense. He doesn’t signify any particular definition, but rather stands for anything you please. X=whatever value you want.
Btw, please don’t remind this greaving Dodgers fan about the Phillies. It’s still too soon.
darii on October 20, 2008 at 4:38 PM
You nut! Read and comprehend.
He says nothing about the “will of the people”, just the opposite, when the U.S. crosses the line of freedom, then he must defend the people against the government. Just like if the government came in and stated that no longer can the Orthodox Church have any churches in the U.S., you would want a leader to defend you.
He used the Japanese internment, remember, that is when the U.S. forced the Japanese Americans to give up all that they own and be displaced. In So. Cal, if was on the east side of 99 (empty desert) and in Manzanar. That was wrong, the U.S. overstepped it’s legal right.
SHEEEESH…
I am not defending Obama, except to say you “A” mis-quoted him which if you were a Christian you would admit to that error.
and “B” mis-interpreted what he said, and would again admit you were wrong and ask forgiveness for your sin.
If not, you are no better then the Muslim’s you accuse others of being…what separates you from them? You are willing to use lies to defeat your enemy.
right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 4:38 PM
The Koran would have to be almost completely rewritten. The Hadith would have to be thrown out entirely.
Christians view the violence in the Bible as history because thats what it is. The violence is the Koran is prescriptive.
Islam as it has always been interpreted not only mandates violence but encourages it as a surefire way to get into paradise and an obligation on every good Muslim.
aengus on October 20, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Has he said it under oath?
No? Then he isn’t breaking the law.
Then freedom of speech. Something you hate, along with freedom of religion, and gays, which you believe are planning to put the whole of the straight population in FEMA death camps.
MadisonConservative on October 20, 2008 at 4:38 PM
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