Biden: Obama’s inexperience will prompt nations to test us

posted at 11:05 am on October 20, 2008 by Ed Morrissey

Joe Biden continues to try to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory for Barack Obama.  In a stunning statement, Biden acknowledged that Obama’s lack of foreign-policy experience will provoke America’s enemies into creating an international crisis.  Biden apparently thinks this is just terrific:

ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.

“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”

“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

Isn’t this an argument for electing someone with more experience?  Why should we elect a man who will embolden our enemies and push us to the brink of disaster?  Biden seems convinced that electing John McCain will make our enemies abroad much less sanguine about provoking us — which is one of the best arguments yet heard for electing McCain.

Even worse, Biden admits that an Obama administration will likely fumble the ball.  “It’s not going to be apparent that we’re right.”  Really?  Why not?  I’d say that Biden admits that Obama will deviate from long-held principles of American foreign policy and diplomacy, and expects to reap a whirlwind of disapproval because of that.  Where will that be most likely to occur, given Obama’s previous political alliances with people like Rashid Khalidi?

Let’s not forget the example that Biden himself uses here.  John Kennedy got tested because he met with Nikita Khrushchev with “no preconditions”.  Kennedy acknowledged afterwards that it was an “unmitigated disaster“:

Kennedy’s aides convinced the press at the time that behind closed doors the president was performing well, but American diplomats in attendance, including the ambassador to the Soviet Union, later said they were shocked that Kennedy had taken so much abuse. Paul Nitze, the assistant secretary of defense, said the meeting was “just a disaster.” Khrushchev’s aide, after the first day, said the American president seemed “very inexperienced, even immature.” Khrushchev agreed, noting that the youthful Kennedy was “too intelligent and too weak.” The Soviet leader left Vienna elated — and with a very low opinion of the leader of the free world.

Kennedy’s assessment of his own performance was no less severe. Only a few minutes after parting with Khrushchev, Kennedy, a World War II veteran, told James Reston of The New York Times that the summit meeting had been the “roughest thing in my life.” Kennedy went on: “He just beat the hell out of me. I’ve got a terrible problem if he thinks I’m inexperienced and have no guts. Until we remove those ideas we won’t get anywhere with him.”

What resulted?  The Berlin Wall and the Cuban missile crisis.  Kennedy wound up trading strategic intel and missile installations in western Asia in exchange for Soviet withdrawal of the nuclear missiles from Cuba.  The entire Kennedy administration turned out to be a foreign-policy disaster that was only overlooked because of the tragic assassination of Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

I agree with Biden.  Obama is exactly like Kennedy in this regard, and our enemies will test us by threatening our interests around the globe if we elect Obama.  I’d rather avoid the problem altogether and elect a man who puts enough fear into the minds of our enemies to keep them from testing us at all.


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Mark Jaquith on October 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM

“Potential enemies”?

How precious.

csdeven on October 20, 2008 at 2:29 PM

They’re not “potential enemies” they’re just friends we haven’t met.

NoDonkey on October 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM

Thanks for the Monday laughs, Herr Gaffenmeister.

“And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you me

.

There, the fix was so simple. “Elect Obama, so that you will need glorious, wonderful me” ~ ~ Biden, a.k.a. Der Gaffenmeister.

How sweet it is.

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 2:41 PM

Also, remember Ronald Reagan’s first day in office, and how Iran reacted.

Biden is soooooo full of soft baby caca.

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 2:43 PM

Audio of Biden on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ2VzW92090
Change you might not want.

Da_Hutt on October 20, 2008 at 2:46 PM

So if we vote for McCain, we can avoid a disaster. Yeah, we knew that.

Ronnie on October 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM

Good ole Joe, God luv’em. He slips ups and says something truthful that can be used against BO. Barack’s gotta be kicking himself in the ass for not choosing Hillary.

la.rt.wngr on October 20, 2008 at 2:52 PM

Biden is soooooo full of soft baby caca. – Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 2:43 PM

I prefer caca de vaca – more alliterative.

ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 2:59 PM

The entire Kennedy administration turned out to be a foreign-policy disaster that was only overlooked because of the tragic assassination of Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

Wow.
Someone finally says it. I never thought JFK was very impressive.
My dad used to go on and on in the early 70′s about ‘the only good thing Kennedy ever did was the Cuban Missile crisis’.
I was too young at the time, but it made an impression and I looked into things later in life and my dad was right.
.
JFK was still at least twice the man Obama will ever be and the US of A is in serious trouble if ‘that one’ gets elected.
At least Kennedy had scores of people to confer with, people that didn’t hate America as it was.
BHO won’t get any do-overs as he so often needs during the campaign.

shooter on October 20, 2008 at 3:01 PM

What about putting a man into office so belicose that our potential enemies will be convinced that an invasion of their country is inevitable and they’ll have nothing to lose by developing nuclear weapons, threatening their neighbors, etc? If we’re going to “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran” what do they have to lose by pursuing nukes? If anything, they gain an insurance policy.

Mark Jaquith on October 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM

Same arguments from the liberals when Carter was allowing our men to suffer in prison…days after the “cowboy” was elected, the prisoners were released.
You see, punk leaders don’t worry about losing or killing people, they worry about losing their lives, their power.
When their lives are seriously at risk, they cower…remember Kahdafi? Remember how bold he was before Reagan put him in his place?

right2bright on October 20, 2008 at 3:02 PM

That’s the first thing I’ve EVER heard the assclown say that was remotely right. Our enemies wouldn’t dare “test” McCain but, they’ll walk all over our Communist NObama like he was a Persian rug for four long years…well, I guess he is actually. LOL!

Here’s the YouTube clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymy0Woaz81U

CultureWar on October 20, 2008 at 3:17 PM

The “test” will come from within…

Wyznowski on October 20, 2008 at 3:18 PM

ManlyRash – whatever makes you happy, so long as you’re right. Noted that you love alliterations – apt alliteration’s artful aid

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 3:26 PM

ManlyRash – whatever makes you happy, so long as you’re right. Noted that you love alliterations – apt alliteration’s artful aid… – Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 3:26 PM

I’m right.

ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM

This admission came after this briefing,link below. Perhaps Joe Biden is telegraphing the American People a message, I mean right after, he changed his shorts:) Does this fall under the Powell/Pottery Barn Rules “If you break it you bought it” but this time it isn’t Iraq, it is the United States of America.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2109034/posts

Dr Evil on October 20, 2008 at 3:32 PM

MR, if you’re right, I’ll send you kisses on Nov. 05, even if you’ll reply “keep your goddamned saliva; I’m just a HA pundit”. I’ll be just as happy.

Hope you’re feeling 100% well again.

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 3:39 PM

an HA pundit”, of course…

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 3:41 PM

I can pretty much guarantee that the fist international crisis that an Obama administration will have to deal with will be Israel bombing the crap out of Iran’s Nuclear program and it will happen about 5 min after he is sworn in.

Dreadnought223 on October 20, 2008 at 12:01 PM

And Obama will condemn Israel, apologize to Iran for Israel’s “illegal and unjustified aggression,” and offer the Iranians millions of U.S. tax dollars and scientific expertise so that they can get their nuclear program back on track.

I feel safer already.

AZCoyote on October 20, 2008 at 3:49 PM

I’m right.

ManlyRash on October 20, 2008 at 3:29 PM

He is right, he is Far Right.

trailboss on October 20, 2008 at 3:55 PM

Did Obama’s Campaign have Joe Biden Vetted?

Dr Evil on October 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Did Obama’s Campaign have Joe Biden Vetted?

Dr Evil on October 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM

They did, and found him to be just as whet.

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 4:02 PM

What about putting a man into office so belicose that our potential enemies will be convinced that an invasion of their country is inevitable and they’ll have nothing to lose by developing nuclear weapons, threatening their neighbors, etc? If we’re going to “bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran” what do they have to lose by pursuing nukes? If anything, they gain an insurance policy.

Mark Jaquith on October 20, 2008 at 1:50 PM

I would have thought the pre-results of the Surge would have put ideas like this to rest, if Iraqi Freedom hadn’t.
When threatened with the real possibility of attack, tyrants play nice. Unless, of course, they think they can take you (see WWII), which is a whole nother problem.

Count to 10 on October 20, 2008 at 4:21 PM

Ed, you got the ultimate endorsement of your opinion with this piece: a non-sequitir attack from Mark Jaquith. Must have hit the bone with your Kennedy analogy.

I think the Biden comments are astonishing and dead-on, and your analysis is enlightening to me. Obama is a farce, and the arguments used in his support is the most irresponsible drivel I have ever read.

The political near left has lost it’s mind.

Jaibones on October 20, 2008 at 4:28 PM

This is not Saturday Night Live.
This is Joe Biden Live.

Thanks for the heads up Joe.
Americans now have a guarantee of an international crisis within 6 months to look forward to if BO is elected.
Just one more reason to vote for Obama :)
Don’t you just love the sense of security that vote for Obama will give you & you only have to wait 6 months or less.

Gulf Coast on October 20, 2008 at 4:34 PM

Is it just me, or does anyone else get the feeling that Biden really doesn’t want this gig and thus trying to throw the election?

I realize we’re talking about Joe Biden and all, but this is over the top for stupid statements!

Ace ODale on October 20, 2008 at 4:44 PM

Thanks for the warning Joe…As our last two neophyte Democratic Presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton learned the hard way with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Iranian hostage crisis, and international Jihadism which burst onto the world stage on 9-11, so shall Obama find his comeuppance. I’m sure Vlad the impaler Putin, bin Laden, Chavez and those we have not heard of yet anxiously await the coming of our messiah…

Nozzle on October 20, 2008 at 4:51 PM

Sweet! After being jealous of my father’s generation, I’ll get to experience the Cuban Missile Crisis of 2009!

m064404 on October 20, 2008 at 4:53 PM

Judith Miller is going to Fox News, the Economy is on the up swing, John Kerry is making depends jokes about a fellow Vietnam Veteran-P.O.W. and the topic of this Post. I’m going to have to call “today” for McCain.

Dr Evil on October 20, 2008 at 4:56 PM

yeah we’ll be tested and I think there will be fabrications of false emergencies by Obama as well. All of the things they are capable of accusing Republicans of being capable of, they will actually do.

johnnyU on October 20, 2008 at 5:17 PM

Just check out those that are being vetted to serve as Obama’s advisors (linked in CanadianGuy’s post) and begin to weep. Note also Obama’s plan for an Executive Order regarding energy.

Obama is so wrong for our country’s security and economy.

Exactly what is Obama’s relationship to Paulson and Bernacke? The article suggests that Obama would retain Psulson, with whom he is in close contact. Is that why Obama felt that he could phone it in when Congress was hammering out a deal re the credit crisis? Why is Obama preparing for legislation for a massive stimulus bill to be adopted immediately after his coronation? Just today, I heard that Bernacke is pushing for another stimulus package.

A security threat with either Obama or Biden at the helm is definitely NOT confidence inducing. Neither man is noted for exceptionally deep thinking, nor has either ever had to accept the consequences for his decisions.

A snarky BTW: What does Noonan think of Biden’s down-home articulation of foreign policy and security threats?

onlineanalyst on October 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

There better be a commercial with this as the centerpiece first thing tomorrow- if they wait the MSM will SQUASH it like all the other Biden gaffes.

And while they’re at it, make one showcasing the Obama, Pelosi, and Reid trio hard at work destroying YOUR future.

anniekc on October 20, 2008 at 5:32 PM

Taiwan

What Biden means is that when China thought Kerry was going to be president they geared up to take over Taiwan – and with Obama incoming, they’re gearing up again.

Here’s my prediction: I think McCain will win, easily – and that we’ll see vicious, but small scale, rioting in some areas on November 5th, with saving the Democrat party from itself becoming McCain’s number one political priority in 2009/10.

And if he doesn’t win? Well China will move to take over Taiwan and I don’t think Obama will do anything but applaud from the sidelines.

Paul Murphy on October 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM

The entire Kennedy administration turned out to be a foreign-policy disaster that was only overlooked because of the tragic assassination of Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that the situation in Cuba partially resulted from the failure at Bay of Pigs, an operation planned and prepared under the previous administration. That major symbol of American weakness wasn’t planted by Kennedy’s team.

Moreover, there’s no reason to think that Krushchev would have resisted the opportunity to send nukes to Cuba under another President. From this standpoint, Kennedy’s resolution of the Cuba Missile Crisis was a significant accomplishment. Keep in mind that the Joint Chiefs favored a nuclear missile attack against the USSR to resolve the Cold War once and for all. Anyone who says that the crisis wasn’t resolved successful has no idea how close the world came to the brink in that year- posturing by both sides nearly ended the world as we know it.

bayam on October 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM

They’re not “potential enemies” they’re just friends allies we haven’t met who haven’t screwed us yet.

NoDonkey on October 20, 2008 at 2:34 PM

…the first was quite apt, but the correction is more to the point.

Puritan1648 on October 20, 2008 at 5:44 PM

“Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”

You mean like when he hands over the keys to the the world’s socialists? Yea, Joe, that’s probably not gonna be apparent that he is right.

Mr_Magoo on October 20, 2008 at 5:46 PM

The MSM will swiftly bury this like they do every other stupid thing dems do.

And they claim Sarah is stupid! LOL!

ErinF on October 20, 2008 at 5:55 PM

There better be a commercial with this as the centerpiece first thing tomorrow

I’m sure they’re on the case. That’s one thing McCain’s camp does really well is quick turnaround on their commercials. They should play this one from now until election day.

ErinF on October 20, 2008 at 5:57 PM

It shouldn’t come as a surprise that the situation in Cuba partially resulted from the failure at Bay of Pigs, an operation planned and prepared under the previous administration. That major symbol of American weakness wasn’t planted by Kennedy’s team.

bayam on October 20, 2008 at 5:39 PM

Executed under him. He’s fully responsible.

Bay of Pigs – 0
Cuba missile crisis – 1

Must be fair. History is what happened, not what we wish would have happened, always.

Entelechy on October 20, 2008 at 6:02 PM

we will have a crisis on the international front if my running mate is elected ? it truly amazes me that someone on the left can say almost anything and the media ignores the statement!

joe biden is truly the dumbest person on the planet. also the third most leberal senator.

even joe the plumber knows EVEN BEFORE HE BUYS A BUSSINESS THAT he can not make a company work if obama gets elected.

TomLawler on October 20, 2008 at 6:10 PM

For frist time in this campain Biden tells the truth!!

thmcbb on October 20, 2008 at 6:28 PM

Did Obama’s Campaign have Joe Biden Vetted?

Dr Evil on October 20, 2008 at 3:56 PM

Yes, they decided Joe was overdue on his distemper booster and that Michelle was scheduled for a rabies shot. The latter injection interacted unfavorably with “Let them eat Iranian caviar, lobster, and champagne’s” blood count so another appointment had to be scheduled.

onlineanalyst on October 20, 2008 at 6:30 PM

Last year Biden said that McCain would make a good president. and Obama would not. Maybe he still feels that way.

I do think he has a point. After all, there are plenty of people out there who want to know if Obama is really as much of a wuss as he appears to be.

Terrye on October 20, 2008 at 6:32 PM

Joe Biden is the gift that keeps on giving. Please, oh please, Maverick: Beat NObama over the head with this.

Philly on October 20, 2008 at 6:46 PM

Krauthammer on Fox jokes, “Biden is a Republican plant.”

Philly on October 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM

My collection of Jolted Joe’s eighteen gaffes:
http://jgapinoy.blogspot.com/2008/10/were-just-biden-our-time-until-next.html

jgapinoy on October 20, 2008 at 7:12 PM

Just got home from work so I’m jumping in w/o reading other posts. Is this fool telling us that the chosen one is bringing back the draft?

red131 on October 20, 2008 at 7:45 PM

Thanks Joe!!

Our side is tickled to death Obama chose you!

Keep up the good work!!

Oink on October 20, 2008 at 8:19 PM

LMFAO! Has anybody here seen the photo of Biden currently on Drudge? He looks like some demented Dr. Seuss evil Whoville troll. With his pot belly and his weird eyes, and his demeanor doesn’t help his case much either.

What’s up with him, did he get some botched plastic surgery or something?

ErinF on October 20, 2008 at 8:33 PM

I think Joe is tapping code to McCain.

B-A-R-R-Y.
L-O-S-E-R.

profitsbeard on October 20, 2008 at 8:34 PM

yep. Russia will be the first. We’re sunk.

johnnyU on October 20, 2008 at 8:48 PM

Do you want an even further reason to dread an Obama presidency? Check out
this WSJ commentary about how Obama intends to end run Congress by using the EPA to impose horrific carbon-diminishing rules. Even with a Democrat majority, Obama knows that his intentions would not pass legislative muster because they negatively impact too many states’ energy needs and economies. He will govern by imperial fiat and use bureaucracies to impose his will.

And the BDS sufferers used to mock Bush by calling him King George? Emperor Obama is a megalomaniac.

onlineanalyst on October 20, 2008 at 9:01 PM

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122445812003548473.html

I don’t know why the link didn’t pick up, but read it and raise your pitchforks.

onlineanalyst on October 20, 2008 at 9:02 PM

I see an add coming by McCain or a outside group, or I better see one.

KBird on October 20, 2008 at 9:02 PM

Krauthammer on Fox jokes, “Biden is a Republican plant.”

Philly on October 20, 2008 at 6:48 PM

That’s hilarious! I love Krauthammer.

4shoes on October 20, 2008 at 10:16 PM

Oops, messed up the quotes.

4shoes on October 20, 2008 at 10:17 PM

Biden is right, which is why we must and will elect John McCain.

Phil Byler on October 20, 2008 at 10:24 PM

Paul Murphy on October 20, 2008 at 5:36 PM

A senerio without the United States of Obama responding…

Attack against Taiwan is sexy but aggression against will involve Japan, Korea and of course the Taiwanese. The Chinese will not move against Formosa unless they feel they can contain Japan and Korea. While Japan fields “defensive” forces by treaty, their air defense and naval forces present real and lasting pain to anyone who dares challege them, the ROK forces are very – very good indeed and are just plain nuts. The Taiwanese are armed to the teeth and will have no problem sacrificing all rather than suffer defeat. China has everything to lose and nothing to gain if the aggression fails. Patience has served the Chicoms well and will continue to do so.

dmann on October 20, 2008 at 10:31 PM

I think the first attack will be a double-teamed attack from Venezuela and Russia. Putin has been sending armed ships to Chavez for months. Of course the MSM doesn’t cover the situation, so most of America has no clue.

ErinF on October 20, 2008 at 10:39 PM

I believe Putin will be the first to test him. No doubt that Putin already sees Obama as a young punk. Was it Nixon or Reagan who said the first thing an American President has to do is convince the Russians that he’s crazy!

McCain has done this – but not Obama.

Crude oil is now at $75.00. Russia is losing rubles now and they will make a move. But they prolly won’t make a move until Obama is prez.

HondaV65 on October 20, 2008 at 10:49 PM

I can pretty much guarantee that the fist international crisis that an Obama administration will have to deal with will be Israel bombing the crap out of Iran’s Nuclear program and it will happen about 5 min after he is sworn in.

Dreadnought223 on October 20, 2008 at 12:01 PM

I am inclined to agree with you.

I am in the process now of selling my business and will be
headed to Chapel Hill to enlist in the Army(I am 41 so the
Marines is out).

I am married and have an 11 yr. old girl so I have been making financial preparations (major cut in pay)and have reached out to military/contractor friends.

One of my many concerns was what direction the WOT would take in a super majority liberal administration.
Most of my current military friends who have served in Iraq/Afghanistan and both contractors (Black water) are convinced that a “joint” attack on Iran is imminent.

I was very surprised to hear this because of the instability it would cause in Iraq and the political capital
a leader would need to launch another major preemptive strike.

There reasons varied from taking out Quds forces,severely setting back the nuclear weapons program,arming and training
shite extremist,and stopping the arming and financing of terrorist in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Biden’s comment “Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
could very well be addressing the initial outcry of a preemptive attack.

Needless to say,they all told me that even a super majority
liberal government is in no position to allow Iraq/Afghanistan/Pakistan to go down the tubes,especially
on their watch.
I will not be stuck stateside or in Germany.

I still believe an attack on Iran is a reach,but I am in no
position to question people who are actually on the ground or have been recently.

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2008 at 10:52 PM

The man hangs out with terrorists. He will give them free access to bomb whatever they want. Michelle will be proud.

SouthernGent on October 20, 2008 at 10:58 PM

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2008 at 10:52 PM

God bless you for enlisting. I had been wondering if enlistment quotas would sink because of Obama.

ErinF on October 20, 2008 at 10:59 PM

God bless you for enlisting. I had been wondering if enlistment quotas would sink because of Obama.

ErinF on October 20, 2008 at 10:59 PM

I was not going to enlist until the end of February but I decided to step it up so that I could sign up under Bush.

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2008 at 11:20 PM

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Israel will never attack without irrefutable proof, if and only if the Mullahs have the sack to actually test fire the “device” will Israel entertain granting them their wish to meet the 12th Imam.

dmann on October 20, 2008 at 11:31 PM

The test will be presented by several if not all of Iran’s proxies: Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Mookie and the “Arab” street jumping the Jews bones. These loathsome tools have nothing to lose and everything to gain! The Messiah will watch with horror but will be unable to act as Israel struggles for survival, with 300+ consultants The One will call this aggression a distraction.

All Hail the destruction of Israel!

dmann on October 20, 2008 at 11:50 PM

Vladimir Putin will eat Obama for lunch. A ruthless ex-KGB agent against an effete “community orgainzer” backstopped by Biden? Obama is not only above his pay grade but will be out of his league.

DerKrieger on October 20, 2008 at 11:46 AM

Aw, don’t be so pessimistic! “The One” will simply “enter a dialogue” with Putin. Won’t that be precious? (Fancy lingo I picked up watching libs on news shows…)

electric-rascal on October 20, 2008 at 11:51 PM

Obama makes Hillary look like Martha-freakin-Washington. Scary stuff.

ErinF on October 21, 2008 at 12:15 AM

RE:
“Let’s not forget the example that Biden himself uses here. John Kennedy got tested because he met with Nikita Khrushchev with “no preconditions”. Kennedy acknowledged afterwards that it was an “unmitigated disaster“ [...]”

Of course, none of this will matter, since That One will surely rely on his (running mate’s) wealth of experience to “Change The World,” right? In a pig’s eye.

SpartRan on October 21, 2008 at 1:08 AM

Baxter Greene on October 20, 2008 at 10:52 PM

Israel will never attack without irrefutable proof, if and only if the Mullahs have the sack to actually test fire the “device” will Israel entertain granting them their wish to meet the 12th Imam.

dmann on October 20, 2008 at 11:31 PM

No intelligence is “irrefutable”.I doubt Israel will wait around for 100% verification when the leader of Iran calls
for it’s destruction on a weekly basis.

I think it comes down more to how aggressive is their new leadership and can they do enough damage to justify a strike
that will surely enrage their muslim neighbors,UN,and many in the West.
Iran’s program is spread far around and very deep in the ground.It will take some serious firepower to disable or destroy this program.

The Jews were wiped out by the millions as the world pacified and appeased Hitler.They know the UN is useless and
the threat of nuclear annihilation is to strong to worry about passing some “global test”.

It is either “make a desert and call it peace” solution or
accept the consequences of a nuclear Iran and the destruction it will bring to the enemies of their quest for
the new Caliphate.

But this is probably nothing for us to worry about because
Obama said he is going to change the world and bring peace.
I am sure Ahmadinejad will get a thrill up his leg once Obama talks to him,thus rendering him an Obama cultist just
like the media and the democratic party is here.

Baxter Greene on October 21, 2008 at 1:15 AM

OK, now that the MSM has thoroughly hit up Obama to clarify his veep’s remarks… how did “The One” explain this Biden pronoucement? /sarc

electric-rascal on October 21, 2008 at 1:54 AM

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