McCain: You could make the argument that Obama’s buying the election
posted at 8:00 pm on October 19, 2008 by Allahpundit
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$150 million in September, the equivalent of a Ron Paul “money bomb” every single day of the month (better than equivalent, actually). Don’t be surprised if he cracks $200 million in October, meaning he’ll have raised fully four times as much in the final two months as McCain got from public financing. Just in case you were wondering how he can afford a half-hour commercial in primetime on three of the four major networks.
Patrick Ruffini, atoning for an epic mistake last month in calling Obama’s decision to opt out an “epic mistake,” has a shrewd analysis of what it means. Maverick’s sounding the alarm here about public financing, but he’s too late: The Internet’s killed it and it’ll stay dead unless and until Congress raises the cap considerably from the current limit of $84 million. As for the election:
[W]hat does Obama do with the extra money? A three-to-one ad ratio in a given state is worth about a point in the polls. But that’s in states with at least a decent baseline of Republican advertising. What’s it worth in states where McCain can’t advertise at all, like North Dakota or Georgia? 3 or 4 points? Does Obama move into states at the fringes of the target map to 1) heighten the sense of panic in the GOP? and 2) go for 400 EVs? Can he legally bail out the committees to go for 270 in the House and 60 in the Senate?
Either way, this is going to be the political equivalent of Sherman’s March.
As for candidates buying elections, the media’s double standards have become so blatant that they’re almost not worth pointing out anymore. But here’s Mark Halperin dealing a little McCain-esque straight talk to Howard Kurtz, in case you need help connecting the dots.
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Kerry also outspent Bush in 04 by 212 Million bucks.
I’m not buying the BS til Nov 5th.
I think that PA is tied, I think that Michigan is close, I think that McCain will win VA by 6-7% also NC, WV. I think McCain will win OH and FL pretty easy.
The Big Ten States are a lot closer than folks see! I have see PA as a big IF for Obama. A McCain flip of PA could spell blowout for Obama.
I say McCain 277 ODumbo 261 in the EV.
OSUBuciz1 on October 19, 2008 at 9:19 PM
From our re-education camp…………
By the way, for those of you afraid of putting a McCain/Palin bumper sticker on your car or in front of your house, don’t worry………. Just put an NRA sticker along side on your car, or on your front door……….. at least it will give them a moment to pause…………….. while you check your chamber.
Seven Percent Solution on October 19, 2008 at 9:19 PM
I think he means a precedent for the future.
Tzetzes on October 19, 2008 at 9:23 PM
None of the above. McCain will win. Obama will lose.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:24 PM
Dont count on it. Below is text for a job offer a new liberal backed “Community Organization” that is being created in my area. The “Reeducation” camps are really just new job fairs with liberal bents.
Keep in mind the below is a job offer availible here in Ohio that is n the classifieds
William Amos on October 19, 2008 at 9:25 PM
Yet another credibility-draining comment from our resident leftroll. Hey, NF; how goes it?
I believe the only way to address the issue of campaign financing in this cycle is to once again go back to the decades of whining from your erstwhile campadres, the Dems, and their cries of anguish that money was surely! corrupting the very heart of democracy and undermining the will of the people.
This culminated in a pledge – a gentlemen’s agreement, if you will – between McCain and Obama that they would each agree to use public financing for their campaigns.
Problem was, Obama was lying, which is what liars do. McCain, honorable sort that he is, stuck to his word despite the ominous disadvantage that this presented. Maybe he figured the voters would elect a lying, racist, socialist who pals around with terrorists?
(Heh, heh, just kidding about the racist part. He’s actually a Manchurian Muslim.)
Jaibones on October 19, 2008 at 9:26 PM
W.T.F.? You’re just messing with us, right?
Jaibones on October 19, 2008 at 9:28 PM
McCain stuck a shive into the heart of the 0Bmober with the celebrity ad.
Soon, they can drive a stake through his heart with an ad on all the excess media spending, lavish life style on other peoples money.
The most dispicable example of excess are the incessant ads and thirty minute media buy when citizens are loosing their life savings because of 0B0mber and his fellow Dems.
Turn the 24/7 ads AGAINST him if they already aren’t.
dhunter on October 19, 2008 at 9:29 PM
How’s campaign finance reform working out McCain?
Security Mom on October 19, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Right, they beat us seldom on the issues, but often by rhetorical technique. Why do we seem so stubbornly disninclined to learn to counter their rhetorical offensive with rhetorical offensive of our own?
I’m afraid we’re headed to suicide by our imagined self-rectitude. We prefer imagining ourselves taking some sort of a high road over the dirt of political reality, even though it’s a war we’re in, and the final stages of war at that.
petefrt on October 19, 2008 at 9:31 PM
Just fine, thanks. He’ll be President on November 4.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM
Typical example of liberal good intentions w/ disastrous results.
jgapinoy on October 19, 2008 at 9:32 PM
For my part, I cannot tell you what the margin will be except to say that it will be a comfortable one for McCain.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:33 PM
neuquenguy on October 19, 2008 at 9:13 PM
I have considered the guilt angle myself, a lot of money for what? Very sad but I don’t want them to form my world.
Cindy Munford on October 19, 2008 at 9:33 PM
Still whistling past the cemetery. That’s ok, you’ve got hope, and I certainly am not about to blast someone for having hope.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 9:34 PM
So let me see if I’ve got this right… he’s raised $325 million and he has the MSM whoring for him to an extent that hasn’t been seen in modern election history but he’s been slipping in the polls and now is only up a few points nationally? Polls that historically overstate the democratic candidate’s poll numbers? And he’s heavily saturating what should be very blue states with ads?
And people wonder why I still take McCain for the win…
Drunken Angry Clown on October 19, 2008 at 9:36 PM
dhunter on October 19, 2008 at 9:29 PM
I like the sounds of that. Plus the fact anyone who did any research on him and his party would see he’s not only an empty suit, but the real life “Manchurian Candidate”.
Fires1 on October 19, 2008 at 9:37 PM
One might as well say I have hope that the sun will rise tomorrow or that gravity will hold me to the earth after the sun rise.
I don’t hope about this…I know it.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I’m watching McCain at a rally today in Toledo. He looks fired up and I hear it in his voice. He is really ripping Barry about the redistribution stuff — “In this country we believe in spreading opportunity around”.
I have a fleeting thought that many of the liberal media, polls, etc. will be wrong come election day. There a lot of people that don’t participate in polls, focus groups, etc. – these people follow politics closely and simply don’t believe the crap they’re being fed by the media. BELIEVE
FLcapitalistthug on October 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM
ninjapirate:
All you do is complain. All the time. I would say McCain has shown himself to be a pretty good politician, considering where he is and what he is dealing with. At least he is out there every day fighting, he is not on the blogs commenting anonymously.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 9:38 PM
I hope you’re right ManlyRash, but I’m still quite irritated with McCain in regard to CFR, so I can’t help but find it a bit karmic that he’s facing an opponent flush with an unprecedented amount of cash. Just goes to prove the point of how retarded that piece of legislation was.
Security Mom on October 19, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Wouldn’t that be freakin’ hysterical if McCain won despite the millions of fraudulent ACORN votes, despite Hollyweird’s incessant anti-American diatribe, despite the mainstream media carrying O’s water.
Keep getting out the vote! And keep praying!
ErinF on October 19, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Ditto.
Y-not on October 19, 2008 at 9:39 PM
OT: Sean Hannity is kicking Barry’s marxist arse from one side to the other in his “Radicals Part II” show (hopefully will be available on youtube like Part I).
Hillary must see this and tear her hair out….no way Barry should ever rise above Senator (you Illini can have the Chicago thug).
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 19, 2008 at 9:39 PM
I know that to be the case.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:40 PM
It’s chafing McCain’s ass, to be sure, but I think he’s getting the message.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:41 PM
That’s a REALLY good idea, Seven. Already I have the McCain-Palin bumper sticker. (It’s the first time in my life I’ve put a political sticker on my car.) But adding the NRA sticker is a MUST, especially after the election.
If Obama-Reid-Pelosi win, the name of the game will be resistance.
NRA = Resistance.
Home schooling = Resistence.
petefrt on October 19, 2008 at 9:43 PM
From our re-education camp……………..
………. that is the whole point of my re-education camp.
Seven Percent Solution on October 19, 2008 at 9:44 PM
trailboss:
I am not whistling past any grave yards. I honestly believe that Obama is an unprincipled liar who is trying to buy the White House. First of all there was the big fat lie about public financing, which his supporters chose to ignore because so many of them are unprincipled too.
Then of course the obscene amount of money. I guess we can give up the fiction about Republicans being the party of the rich and Democrats being the party of the poor. The poor are nothing but props to Democrats. They need them to demagogue the issues and look pitiful so that they can continue to represent regular folks.
And then whenever real regular folks like Joe the plumber come along they do their best to ruin their lives.
I was not one of those people who associated freedom of speech with money. For some time I have felt there was too much money in politics. I was always afraid that with enought money some crook would buy the White House.
And here is Obama.
Now maybe you feel that the election is a detail, that we should just forget all about the bothersome details of doing our duty and just get on with the coronation.
But it is not over yet. I have no idea who will win, it could well be Obama, but then again he could wear people out with his nonstop ads to the point that they vote for McCAin just shut Obama up.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 9:46 PM
Yes–let’s hope ManlyRash’s unwavering optimism is vindicated on election night.
I am praying not only for a McCain win, but by a wide enough margin in both popular and electoral vote that the Dems won’t bother disputing it. Palin, er, I mean McCain, needs a mandate to govern, and the Dems need to be reminded that this nation is not leftist.
jazz_piano on October 19, 2008 at 9:47 PM
LOL! You should see my husband’s truck. It’s looking very redneckish lately. He’s got 3 hunting stickers on it, 3 anti-obama stickers, and 3 McCain/Palin stickers. He’s gotten a couple nasty notes on his windshield, but he’s also gotten a heck of a lot of thumbs up on the road.
ErinF on October 19, 2008 at 9:51 PM
It isn’t optimism…it’s knowledge. I don’t hope he is going to win, I know he is going to win.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Don’t just pray…take all additional action as necessary.
I’ve been to 3 McCain/Palin rallies in Virginia. First ones EVER.
I’ve also been down to the local McCain office and will be dialing there in these final weeks.
I have 3 bumper stickers on and snuck a yard sign out in a nearby media strip (spraying it with anti-deer spray).
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 19, 2008 at 9:51 PM
Security Mom:
I really kind of feel the other way. I kept hearing people say that limiting or getting in the way of money in elections was all about freedom of speech. But I don’t think what Obama is doing is about freedom of speech, he really is trying to win the election. And the result is so much crap that I can not even stand to watch regular TV. And now he is going to plant his ass in front of the World Series.
This is just obscene, weird, bizarre, all those things. People will say that if McCain could raise that kind of money then he could plaster himself all over TV too, as if this is all just some game to see who can who into writing the most checks or laundering the most money.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 9:53 PM
Ok, please tell me how you know this, just so I can sleep at night. :)
ErinF on October 19, 2008 at 9:54 PM
Mac exiting the stage to Eye Of The Tiger…priceless.
I think a lot of undecided voters will ultimately get cold feet when the prospect of voting for a Marxist thug finally hits them.
FLcapitalistthug on October 19, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Yes, we would all like to hear how you ‘know’ this.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Sorry to disappoint you, but I don’t know how I know this – only that I know it as surely as I know that gravity exists. Sweet dreams, Erin.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 9:56 PM
Lets see, Obama’s got a huge money advantage. He’s got a huge advantage with the MSM shilling for him. He’s got some of the most favorable magazine covers and articles written about him. He’s got Hollywood, the Music Industry, University and College campuses and faculty all in his corner. He’s got TV talk show hosts including the most influential one in Oprah campaigning for him.
He has all these things working for him and against John McCain. It’s mind boggling when you think about it. You got to wonder where the election would be if McCain had these advantages.
How did Republicans manage to find themselves in a position where they have to face these kind of huge obstacles?
gumble on October 19, 2008 at 9:57 PM
Damn!
ErinF on October 19, 2008 at 9:58 PM
trailboss:
I have heard all sorts of Democrats say it is all over, the race is done, Obama is in and the election has not happened yet. Maybe Manly knows the same way they do.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 9:58 PM
Obama’s money wouldn’t be so bad if it was documented.
And the FEC reluctance to do anything is WORSE.
We are becoming a nation without laws.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM
gumble:
I have a friend who works as an executive assistant to a Dean of a midwestern college. After the recent debate the students were polled as to who they thought won. It was McCain almost 3 to 1. She was shocked because everyone just assumed that Obama was the favorite. After all, these are college students.
Sometimes people assume too much.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:00 PM
McCain created this monster, now can he tame it?
OneGyT on October 19, 2008 at 10:01 PM
Good enough for me.
jazz_piano on October 19, 2008 at 10:02 PM
I joined McCain/Palin a while back. I feel bad because it sounds like you have to donate money to do services for them. Except door to door and calling people. We are not rich in money. Just rich in our hearts. But, I do all I can to tell people that I meet. In our town, in CA. there are a lot more McCain/Palin then Obama. That is very rare. On Hannity, he was telling more about Obama. I think he is getting money from other Countries and the Mob. Wouldn’t put it past him. He is to sneaky and don’t say much. That is a hell of a lot of money for one month. Also, I heard of that credit card thing to. How low can people get.
McCain will win.
sheebe on October 19, 2008 at 10:02 PM
It’s called Marxism, preached about by BO’s favorite mentor Alinsky. Stupify the masses into submission… unfortunately that is a group now in the majority in America, and we are in the “thinking” minority.
Not to get all religious, but I was thinking about this today. What’s happening right now is absolutely biblical.
ErinF on October 19, 2008 at 10:02 PM
ex-Democrat:
I don’t know, even if it is documented it is just too much. I guess this means the next presidential candidates will try to raise 800 million or more. And the next election will begin in January 2009 and in no time there will be ads from someone attacking someone else.
Who knows maybe the next time they will try sky writing and lotteries.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:03 PM
Historical, actually.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 10:04 PM
I’ll refrain from taking a theological perspective here (although mine is probably similar to yours, ErinF).
Historically, people in times of hardship have been willing to trade their freedom for the promises of prosperity and security offered by a charismatic leader. The consequences are disastrous: Hitler, Lenin, Mao, Nasser, etc.
jazz_piano on October 19, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Oh, you beat me to it. (:
jazz_piano on October 19, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Mind boggling? Nope. Election night – at around 10:30 PM – will be mind boggling. Perhaps Olbermann, in a fit of despair, will immolate himself on the MSNBC set.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 10:07 PM
ONeGyT:
McCain did not create this monster. The monster has been growing for years. That was why there were attempts to limit money. The money Obama getting is not 527s or anything like that, they are direct campaign contributions…i.e. freedom of speech I guess.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:08 PM
I don’t feel it’s any more or less of a detail – the polls have been pointing ‘Oy’ for quite some time, and McCain without Palin is a bump on the highway. Palin has taken McCain as far as she can, but he ain’t making any additional progress.
Oy is indeed dishonest, and opportunistic, but so was Billy Clinton. The thing they both have had over their opponents: – The Economy. It sank George HW, who, as an incumbent having come off of a spectacular win in Iraq should have won the election in a waltz. But he lost because he didn’t connect with voters on the right thing at the right time.
I think McCain is in exactly the same rowboat, and it’s still leaking badly. His handling of the bail-out vote was a disaster, he still cannot talk to people about money, or jobs, or health care. It’s just outside of his sphere of influence. Wrong message at the wrong time.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 10:08 PM
That’s my main hope too. When the prospect of turning the USA into France confronts them in private, they’ll choose USA.
petefrt on October 19, 2008 at 10:10 PM
Don’t buy the media hype, just don’t, Obafo can’t win this thing no matter how much he spends.
Those little hits he has taken recently: hacking on JTP, spreading the wealth, making it seem that the election is a foregone conclusion, the media whoring; people don’t like that shit. There is a quiet backlash that has formed that you will never hear about because normal people don’t feel compelled to call a press conference to tell everyone, but they are voting against Baracky.
America might be looking for a little change, they sure as hell aren’t looking for a friggin’ revolution.
Bishop on October 19, 2008 at 10:11 PM
You warm my cockles, people, keep smiling and fighting.
BTW, our next-door neighbour asked us to dinner to watch the election. Trouble is, he’s got an Obama sticker on his car. We are new in this very liberal hood (1 year), don’t put up yard signs and can’t vote anyway, being residents not citizens. Any advice on this potential social gaffe?? Other than contact our nearest ACORN office?
Fortunata on October 19, 2008 at 10:12 PM
Perhaps it’s the same way Red Pill knew Huckabee was going to be President on Jan 20, 2009.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 10:13 PM
We are becoming a nation without laws.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM
>>>>
Exactly. It’s Al Capone on a national scale. That’s what we need to fight, regardless of how this election comes out. It’ll just be much, much harder to fight this if we become communist in the meantime.
The Cloward-Piven Plan intends to prove that capitalism CAN’T work, that democracy CAN’T work, that free speech and self-defense CAN’T work. And none of those things can work well if the majority of the people are stupid, ill-informed, or anti-American. We have to find a way to protect what America is.
AFter this election I think we need to hammer home what’s in the Yuri Bezmenov interview and challenge the Marxists in our colleges.
I think we need to drill people full of the facts that the MSM wasn’t willing to tell them and expose just how untrustworthy they are.
We need to expose The New Party and how it seeks to convert the democratic party to Marxism.
We need to inundate our judges with questions of how any one of us has no standing to demand protection against fraud, and how we can get rid of corrupt officials BEFORE they screw us – or at least protect the process from corrupt officials.
We’ve been sleeping before now. We need to wake up and we need to expose this crap so it can never happen again.
justincase on October 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM
trailboss:
I do not think that money or health care is outside McCain’s sphere of influence. And what exactly is Obama’s sphere influence? Raise taxes, redistribute the wealth.
As for the economy, I think it is worth noting that when the Democrats took control of Congress the economy was better, the deficit was lower and gas was cheaper. The Democrats have a long history with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and their handling of the bailout as evidenced by Nancy Pelosi was not exactly awe inspiring.
The thing the Democrats have going for them is the willingness of the press and the media to cover their asses on the issue of the economy. If they had to play in a level playing field, they would lose.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM
McCain’s rowboat is perfectly fine; it’s Obama’s passenger liner that is taking on water – and badly. The tilt of the deck, while imperceptible at this point, will progressively worsen.
Poor Obama is doomed and he doesn’t fully realize it yet. He will on the evening of November 4 – long before the polls on the west coast close.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Not possible…Red Pill was wrong.
ManlyRash on October 19, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Exactly how did Obama handle the bailout?
Oh yeah, he kinda sort a liked and kinda sort a didn’t.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:19 PM
I think he is getting money from other Countries and the Mob. Wouldn’t put it past him. He is to sneaky and don’t say much. That is a hell of a lot of money for one month.>>>>>>>
With the world economy a shambles, who exactly are these people giving money to Obama and what are they expecting in return? The people who are not suffering from the economy are the Arab oil nations. They always have money. Raila Odinga got his money from Arab Street. I wonder how much he’s been “spreading around” to cousin Barack. Obama contributed about a million dollars to Odinga, just a little less than Qadaffi’s son. What does he get in return?
justincase on October 19, 2008 at 10:19 PM
Oh yeah Obama’s idea of how to handle the economy is raise taxes, start trade wars, do away with the Bush tax cuts, which means even more taxes, start a war with Pakistan and nationalize health care to the tune of another 800 billion in spending.
I don’t think this guy can do simple math.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:22 PM
justincase:
Well we know it can’t be Democrats, they are too poor. Nosiree, no big money there. They can’t even afford to put gas in their cars to get to work. That is why they need someone like Obama in the White House to stand up for the little folks.
Yeah. sure. thing.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM
There are obviously many reasons but I think they fall into two areas.
The first is a certain level of incompetence. The democrats approach it for the war that it really is, and they take it very seriously, 24/7. The republicans not so much.
The second area has to do with the nature of the underlying philosophies of each party and there is not much the republicans can do about it. The democrats’ message of “fairness”, egalitarianism, “tolerance” and entitlement appeal to peoples’ base desires for easy solutions and libertinism(sp). And the dems can sell their promises of an easy life through class envy, victimhood, fear, lies. The republican message of personal responsibility and moral norms is harder to take and demands the exercise of virtues that people must make an effort to develop. Therefore, the Democrat’s message is easier to sell when the public has been dumbed down for decades.
neuquenguy on October 19, 2008 at 10:24 PM
I think if elections were about logic, the dems would be cooked to a nice crispy black by now, but elections seem to turn on emotion, or wallets, or whatever drives you and I nuts about how elections are won. The emotional wave is currently flowing the dems direction – not as huge and menacing as it was a year ago, but still flowing, and the economic issue is powering it now.
Plus, I think we underestimate how badly GWB has soured huge chunks of the electorate on the Republican Brand, and try as he might, McCain has not been able to forcibly remove himself from the Bush legacy. Additionally, McCain has to connect with voters deeply, and hasn’t.
Like ManlyRash, I look to history for guidance, but unlike him, I think that history is not on our side this time.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 10:26 PM
Sometimes, sometimes, you are quite funny.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 10:28 PM
Look out for the big green pods that appear in your yard for no apparent reason.
hawkdriver on October 19, 2008 at 10:37 PM
trailboss:
Yes, but that emotion is being manipulated.
For instance I keep hearing about that Republican brand and Bush and all that, but given that the most recent approval ratings for the Democratic Congress is 12, I am not so sure Democrats are winning that argument as much as they might think. Even their generic advantage is down.
I can remember Bill Clinton on TV in 1998 when he got the Iraqi Liberation Act through stating the Saddam Hussein was a dangerous man with wmd who had to be stopped. I can remember ABC doing a documentary entitled Target America all about Saddam’s ties with Osama Bin Laden.
But today, to hear the media tell it Bush created all this. The ability to rewrite and revise history has had a lot to do with the public opinion who speak of.
The problem is the press has become so blatant and bold in their campaign to hurt Republicans and help Democrats, that they are being more and more associated with Democrats. And people do not much like the press. This sort of thing can work both ways.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:39 PM
White House going to highest bidder?
In chronological order:
1) Senator Obama promises to accept federal campaign funds–with its limitations–if Senator McCain agrees to as well.
2) Senator McCain agrees and signs up.
3) Obama breaks his promise, refuses federal funds.
4) Obama promises to disclose every donation, even though he’s only required to do so for donations of more than $200.
5) Obama breaks his full-disclosure promise, only revealing those gifts that are legally required.
6) Obama has since raised almost ten times more than McCain’s $85 million. More than $200 million of that is from unknown sources.
Since donations of $200 or less are hidden, Obama’s richest friends could have each sent thousands of checks of $200, which would be illegal (there is a limit of $2000 per person). I don’t doubt that much of the money came from foreign sources, which would also be illegal.
Speaking of fairness, how much of this is reported in the news media? Well, I think they’re too busy sending reporters to ask children if they’ve seen Cindy McCain being a bad mommy.
jgapinoy on October 19, 2008 at 10:40 PM
I think the saturation effect is going to cause a backlash, the equivalent of drinking too much whiskey. I’m in New York and I see Obama ads 5-6 times an hour during some of my favorite TV shows. I walk outside and I see Obama ads plastered everywhere. I turn on the radio in my car and it’s Obama, Obama, Obama. This must have been what Hitler’s Germany was like: wall to wall public adoration and propaganda campaigns with iconic billboard sized images of him looking outward with gritty determination on his face.
The Obama bots are a lost cause, but for the rational level headed independents, I don’t think they’ll respond well to this oversaturation of what could accurately be called idol worship.
Lincoln on October 19, 2008 at 10:45 PM
So, tell me, folks:
When did a bumper sticker or yard sign, or any of the millions of political signs that litter the road rights of way ever change your mind or the mind of anyone you know, about who they were voting for anyway??
Heck, I normally don’t have any political stickers on my vehicles… There IS one on my daily driver right now, but only because it is for a guy that is kind of a friend and I wouldn’t want to hurt his feelings, not because I think it does any good..
LegendHasIt on October 19, 2008 at 10:48 PM
I know, but that is what elections are all about, emotion, and the manipulation thereof.
Yes it can work both ways. Problem is, Republicans on a national level seem to have lost the ‘touch’ needed to turn it the other way.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 10:48 PM
jgapinoy:
Not to worry. The FEC is looking into it and they have promised a fine after the election.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Very simple: how much of that $150 million came from foreign IP addresses? I’m sure the number would be well into the 8 digit range.
Our elections are not only for sale, but can be bought by non-Americans because of the internet.
michaelo on October 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM
They seem to work when voters don’t much know or care to know about the candidates. Seems to work every time in local elections.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 10:51 PM
My husband and I watched Hannity tonight and after he said why are people going to vote for this guy? I said, They don’t care about any of this. The people, except for blacks, who ignore all these scandals and un-American leanings have a hate and an envy I can’t understand. Gays are mad that they have to use the courts to legalize their marriages because we the people won’t give it to them. Women and the men they sleep with want to use abortion as birth control and resent that we would make them feel bad about destroying innocent life. People who can’t earn what they want hate the people who do… Blacks, I want to give a pass to because of their history in this country and I can understand that this means a lot to them. This pride makes them overlook the rest. These are some of the reasons I think so many will vote for Obama but I still don’t believe he will win. I read today about a silent majority that helped Nixon win. I think that majority will come out again. They don’t want to see this country go where Soros, Ayers want Obama and his angry wife to take it.
CCRWM on October 19, 2008 at 10:52 PM
trailboss:
No, elections are not just about being manipulated. People need to both sides of an issue to make an informed decision and they are not getting that right now.
Republicans need to learn how to speak directly to voters again. That is why Palin is such a hit. People feel like she speaks to them and about them. They can identify with her.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 10:54 PM
Sigmund on October 19, 2008 at 10:55 PM
I’m still hoping. The best thing about it would be the return of faith I would feel for my fellow American.
The second thing would be seeing CNNs Bill Schneider trying to rationalize what went wrong and on MSNBC see Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews crying in each others arms.
hawkdriver on October 19, 2008 at 10:59 PM
trailboss:
I think you are wrong about signs working in local elections. In local elections, people tend to vote for people because they know them. The only Democrat I will even consider voting for this year is a woman I have known for 30 years who is running for County Commissioner.
I think there is such a thing as too much advertising. The other day I heard someone say they were not voting for the Democrat in the House race because he was spending too damn much money. People are starting to wonder where it is coming from.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM
Hmmm, I think you have Manly mistaken for an Obama voter the ACORN van picked up down by the railroad yard.
hawkdriver on October 19, 2008 at 11:00 PM
I don’t think thy have a vision for the country. I think their main motivation is hatred for conservatism. It could be argued that at the center of this hatred is guilt.
I agree…
CCRWM on October 19, 2008 at 11:03 PM
People are getting both sides, as is evidenced by the fact that Obama and McCain are within 10 points. What they are listening to, and accepting, leans toward Obama. If it leaned towards McCain, perhaps things would look differently.
I believe that a majority of the electorate tries hard to think logically about the issues, but when they vote, it comes straight from the gut.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 11:06 PM
I’m talking about changing minds, or at least helping people to decide, not just trying to increase name recognition.
It is one thing to vote for the more familiar name for city council or something when you don’t know anything about either candidate’s background , values or policies; If people have to rely on the number of times that McCain’s or 0bama’s name is flashed in front of their face to decide which one they want to vote for, we are in even bigger trouble than I thought. (And I think that we are in a huge amount of trouble already.)
LegendHasIt on October 19, 2008 at 11:07 PM
Whew! I feel much better now.
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jgapinoy on October 19, 2008 at 11:09 PM
Yes, I understood you first time around, just inserting my local election cynic.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 11:11 PM
jgapinoy:
I was just sure you would.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 11:11 PM
trailboss:
I never said it did not lean toward Obama. Back in 2000 it leaned toward Bush just because there had been a Democrat in the White House for 8 years and people lean toward change after a certain amount of time. They just do.
I am saying that I think there has been a deliberate attempt on the part of the media to deprive people of certain information regarding Obama. They are doing it for our own good needless to say.
However, that sort of thing can come back on them.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 11:15 PM
McCain was givin em hell in Toledo today. I saw this on C-Span Johnny Mac was really stoked! Watch the clip to the end where he admonishes the crowd to “stand and fight!” To me it was to most inspirational campaign speech of this election cycle. If we go down it will be in a blaze of glory.
sonnyspats1 on October 19, 2008 at 11:16 PM
You have a lot more faith in the electorate than I do. I don’t believe that even 40% of voters are CAPABLE of looking at the issues logically, and half of the rest are too lazy and willfully ignorant to use the logic that God may have given them.
And as to :
I agree with the basic idea, but I think it comes from further down the alimentary canal; the end of it, to be precise.
;-)
LegendHasIt on October 19, 2008 at 11:17 PM
I would like to know how much of Obama’s money is comming from overseas …..
gstrickler on October 19, 2008 at 11:23 PM
This is why my husband and I bought a Remington 12 guage pump action shot gun and we are thinking of still getting the Glock. It takes 10 days so we are going to decide by tomorrow on the gun.
CCRWM on October 19, 2008 at 11:26 PM
We are becoming a nation without laws.
Let’s roll.
ex-Democrat on October 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM
>>>>
So true! no conscious either.
Exactly. It’s Al Capone on a national scale. That’s what we need to fight, regardless of how this election comes out. It’ll just be much, much harder to fight this if we become communist in the meantime.
justincase on October 19, 2008 at 10:14 PM
The great depression had so many gangsters that were paid, and paying off very high people in office. The FBI, The Police, Washington DC. How citizens actually had to live in cardboard boxes. It was a mad house. Crime ran rampant. Don’t want to see that happen again. Why McCain will win!!
Some young college people. Told my one friend that she was a liar. That never happened in our Country. They are college kids? They didn’t learn this?
sheebe on October 19, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Legend:
And there are the partisans. I talked to one of them today. She was glad about Wall Street because it hurt the Republicans, after all they are the only people who have money in stocks, you know how rich they are.
She was beaming about the meltdown. She won’t be beaming when she finds out what happened to her state pension. She is, like so many other Democrats, a state employee.
Terrye on October 19, 2008 at 11:29 PM
Amen to that one.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 11:36 PM
Yes indeed. Sphincter Effect. Hell with the Bradley Effect.
trailboss on October 19, 2008 at 11:38 PM
This will be the best part! The America I know and love will not sit by and reward what has been going on…I just don’t believe they will…
CCRWM on October 19, 2008 at 11:40 PM
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