AQ giving 404s to online users
posted at 10:00 am on October 18, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Looks like al-Qaeda needs better server techs. Most of their on-line forums, used to disseminate the latest in lunacy from Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri, have been off-line since September 10th. Hmmm … could that be a coincidence?
Four of the five main online forums that al-Qaeda’s media wing uses to distribute statements by Osama bin Laden and other extremists have been disabled since mid-September, monitors of the Web sites say.
The disappearance of the forums on Sept. 10 — and al-Qaeda’s apparent inability to restore them or create alternate online venues, as it has before — has curbed the organization’s dissemination of the words and images of its fugitive leaders. On Sept. 29, a statement by the al-Fajr Media Center, a distribution network created by supporters of al-Qaeda and other Sunni extremist groups, said the forums had disappeared “for technical reasons,” and it urged followers not to trust look-alike sites.
For al-Qaeda, “these sites are the equivalent of pentagon.mil, whitehouse.gov, att.com,” said Evan F. Kohlmann, an expert on online al-Qaeda operations who has advised the FBI and others. With just one authorized al-Qaeda site still in business, “this has left al-Qaeda’s propaganda strategy hanging by a very narrow thread.”
These aren’t just vanity sites. AQ needs their on-line forums to recruit and to spread propaganda throughout the Muslim world. Their audience has been sharply reduced, and the one outlet still in operation has to wonder when its time will come.
Ellen Knickmeyer reports that the aura of invincibility has been stripped from their on-line operations, which supplies no small amount of irony. That was their aim in the 9/11 attacks — to strip Americans of that same sense of security. On al-Hasbah, the last remaining operational site, users now pray for protection from … well, no one really knows who took the sites down. Western intel won’t say, and it could be independent hackers looking to do their part in the war. On the other hand, that September 10th timing looks like a message to AQ.
The news isn’t all good. Intel agencies like to monitor the forums for a variety of reasons. Jihadis plot attacks through these sites, and the information gleaned can alert counterterrorist operations ahead of time. Arguments over tactics and philosophy can also give Western agents information on how to counter AQ propaganda and recruitment. Those are the reasons that intel agencies have not been terribly supportive of independent attempts to disrupt AQ sites.
Still, one has to cheer any time our enemy finds itself in disarray. Let’s hope that the entire AQ network goes 404 soon.
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And to think that someone wants to actually outsource IT jobs to these haji morons.
From experience, the words “maintain” and “Information Security” don’t really apply to Arab computer science.
leetpriest on October 18, 2008 at 10:05 AM
I can’t help but wonder if Western intel agencies haven’t managed to rely more of direct info provided by moles in the AQ organization. Perhaps active infiltration has supplanted passive observation.
ManlyRash on October 18, 2008 at 10:11 AM
It will all be worth it when Osama hacks onto a site and gets the “you are an idiot” computer crasher.
BKennedy on October 18, 2008 at 10:12 AM
They’ve been disabled.
Just the one remaining, as important for us to follow their news releases as for their followers to hear their orders. The trick, to interpret PRIOR TO ANNOUNCEMENT what will be said.
maverick muse on October 18, 2008 at 10:15 AM
Anyone got a link to one of these forums?
lodge on October 18, 2008 at 10:18 AM
So AQ has become like a lazy blogger who has abandoned his blogs.
CanadianGuy on October 18, 2008 at 10:19 AM
Oh damn, McCain finally used the “s-word”!!!
lodge on October 18, 2008 at 10:21 AM
It’s probably happening because every time one of these douches fires up their sat phone in Waziristan to connect to the net they get detected by an ELINT aircraft and a Predator drone drops a GPS guided bomb on their ass.
Dreadnought223 on October 18, 2008 at 10:22 AM
Sounds like progress no matter which way you cut it.
Zorro on October 18, 2008 at 10:26 AM
Can’t the terrorists communicate with one another on the Obama.com forums?
Bishop on October 18, 2008 at 10:32 AM
September 10th who’s time?
Maybe they were hacked in Australia, where we live in the future.
cyclosarin on October 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Due to the US sponsored Jihadi motel system?
Bad guys check in but they never leave, just check out.
Speakup on October 18, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Or maybe they (AQ) set up a hidden network somewhere for coordination that no one can see because of DNS loopholes. Sounds like some tech AQ guy rented The Net and had a brainstorm to hide their network.
Neo on October 18, 2008 at 10:37 AM
I was reading that article above the Guardian, about the Ex M15, stating that was a Huge over reaction to 9/11. Really, what are they smoking in England? The Pentagon was hit with a Jet. That is an act of War. I have read some leftard things on the internet but this one takes the cake. Iraq did not cause Terrorism, it already existed. They totally ignore that Saddam was paying (terrorist) suicide bomber’s families $25,000 a piece. I guess it doesn’t count when terrorist are attacking Israel? We had no fly zones in Iraq, to keep Saddam, from gassing more Kurds, and killing more Shia in the south, isn’t that us trying to stop Genocide…I mean we did something we just didn’t talk about it like the U.N. and the European Union. If you were a Kurd or a Shiite, you might appreciate that someone stopped Saddam, and the Sunnis, from slaughtering you. Again who counts to that Ex M15? Young men who resort to violence- aka terrorist because they were provoked? They were not the ones Provoked WE WERE. The reaction to 9/11 wasn’t an over reaction. If anything George W Bush and his Administration, kept the Leash on some angry Americans, looking for Pay Back. That English-Ex M15, judging Americans by Her own LOW appeasement standards. I am sure the English are happy she – the Ex M15, wasn’t serving them when Hitler was bombing them..I am sure that resistance, would have been judged as an over reaction by her also. What excuses would she have made for young Nazis bombing England?
Dr Evil on October 18, 2008 at 10:41 AM
Dr. Evil: The Guardian represents the thinking of the Brit elite bureacracy, their social managers. More terrorism? More job security.
Just like the Democrats here who like to think of terrorism as just another tolerable tax, worth bearing and not worth eliminating.
Greg Toombs on October 18, 2008 at 10:49 AM
Apparently the Jihadis have found other ways to network as they mix business with pleasure…
Greg Toombs on October 18, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Do you think they are nervous?
Cindy Munford on October 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM
Are you saying that a group – any group – can literally create its own Internet – apart from the one that already exists? How is that possible, Neo? Would they not need their own routers and fiber optic lines and so-forth? I don’t know much about the technical aspect of these things.
ManlyRash on October 18, 2008 at 10:59 AM
Greg Toombs on October 18, 2008 at 10:51 AM
Makes sense who the heck would think to go to a site like that and most would be afraid that they would be construed as proponent. Creepy people.
Cindy Munford on October 18, 2008 at 11:01 AM
Maybe they think that because our intelligence agencies have been successful in providing our military with enough information to off their high-ranking murderers, that they need to re-evaluate how they talk amongst themselves.
Mommynator on October 18, 2008 at 11:08 AM
I didn’t know high-speed internet was available in caves.
madmonkphotog on October 18, 2008 at 11:24 AM
The only site left running is CNN.com
faraway on October 18, 2008 at 11:27 AM
What if they have done this on purpose to keep any news of a big event from filtering out before it happens?
Remember how AQ likes to strike before elections to affect their outcome.
I don’t want to be alarmist, but with AQ it’s unwise not to think outside the box.
Disturb the Universe on October 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM
Disclaimer: I don’t have ANY direct knowledge of ongoing intelligence operations against AQ by any government activity.
That said, a few remarks on tactics, techniques, and procedures, without straying into anything like specific sources and methods.
It is an ongoing debate inside the community – the deny/destroy crowd versus the exploit crowd. While I have no idea who may have taken these sites offline, it is very plausible to me that the sites may have been taken down because they were deemed unusable for truly following what AQ is doing, on either a day-to-day or strategic basis, or for developing leads to identify and locate nascent jihadis.
Alternatively, it is also quite plausible that these sites were deliberately targetted and brought down based on information indicating they could possibly have some role in an identifiable, specific activity, and it was done to disrupt that (or those) specific op(s). Denying an organization a planned communications link can be a very effective, low investment disruption, depending on the timing.
Or, finally, it may be that it actually took this long for the various governments and agencies involved to amalgamate their defecation and finally take these sites out.
And while scenarios one and two are plausible, scenario three, unfortunately, may be the one most likely to stand up to Occam’s Razor.
And so it goes. . .
Wind Rider on October 18, 2008 at 12:05 PM
Am I the only one thinking of a different scenario here? Perhaps they intentionally took them down because of the known monitoring… and perhaps they’re up in a different venue/format/location. The fact they went down the day before Sept. 11 makes me curious as to whether this is an IT victory for the West or a concerted, planned signal to someone…
Texas Rainmaker on October 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM
Andrew Sullivan explains why Barack Obama is so conservative:
“Obama’s skin color has obscured a pretty basic fact about him: he seems to have had a very conservative private life as a public figure. His marriage and family life have been much more traditional than John McCain’s – someone who admits to promiscuity and adultery and divorce. Unlike McCain he’s a long-time regular church-goer. ”
Sullivan twists himself in knots
And what church would that be Andrew? Obama’s Church for Twenty Years
But if you raise issues about Obama’s church, you are racist.
You cannot make this stuff up.
Mr. Joe on October 18, 2008 at 12:53 PM
Somebody mentioned abondoned blogs…
Some of the blogs I frequent get garbledygook comments on REALLY old threads that normal people have long since commenting on.
It would doubleplus-suck if that garbledygook was actually some kind of encoded arabic, with jihadis using our blogs as some kind of enabler.
Close comments on old threads please!
innominatus on October 18, 2008 at 1:07 PM
A side (possibly?) note is that I travel quite a bit and noticed that several high-profile airports have reinstated the gate-check procedure whereby TSA officials stand at the boarding gate and randomly pull people out of line to search their belongings. I hadn’t seen this for 3-4 years (and I fly almost every week). It was interesting enough that a few folks I travel with made the same comment… “I wonder if they know something we don’t”
Texas Rainmaker on October 18, 2008 at 1:21 PM
The fact that one site was left up may be to funnel the remaining AQs to an easier site to monitor. Kudos to whoever did this.
eaglewingz08 on October 18, 2008 at 1:30 PM
Derka Derka Derka!
It’s back to smoke-signals!
Black Adam on October 18, 2008 at 1:35 PM
They already do: DU, KOS, HuffPo
Sapwolf on October 18, 2008 at 1:44 PM
I wonder if Club G’itmo guests have lost their internet access?
Black Adam on October 18, 2008 at 1:45 PM
Attn AQ loons: While you’re waiting to be reconnected, feel free to blow yourselves up.
whitetop on October 18, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I’d love to read the article, but I refuse to be forced to “sign-up” (for scads of junk mail) in order to do it.
FlatFoot on October 18, 2008 at 2:03 PM
I agree. Classic military strategy. It is much easier to concentrate counter-intel on a single channel than to monitor multiple channels. It may also slow enemy communication with possibly overloaded single channel.
OODA, baby. More details.
Amazing man.
Great book.
fred5678 on October 18, 2008 at 3:03 PM
I agree. Classic military strategy to concentrate all enemy communications on one channel: easier to monitor one channel than multiple. Also the single channel may be now overloaded, slowing enemy communications. See OODA loop on Wiki and elsewhere.
fred5678 on October 18, 2008 at 3:11 PM
More on OODA loop – see the book, “John Boyd, The Fighter Pilot who Changed the Art of War”.
Amazing man. Great book.
I had lots of links on my first submission, so they may show up later on in this thread after scrutiny by the Site Overlords.
fred5678 on October 18, 2008 at 3:14 PM
Doesn’t this suggest that AQ has a reason to take the site off-line themselves — to go dark so to speak? If so, woudn’t it also suggest they’re in an operational phase of some plan. And the timing of it is more their style than ours. Until Western Intel claims credit, this sounds like more of a sign to be concerned and vigilent than anything else.
Heywood U. Reedmore on October 18, 2008 at 4:46 PM
We don’t have Site Overlords – we serve Allah(pundit). :)
platypus on October 18, 2008 at 4:56 PM
Allah(pundit) be praised!
ManlyRash on October 18, 2008 at 5:55 PM
Pool closed due to thetans!
mram on October 18, 2008 at 7:00 PM
NSA FTW!
Cr4sh Dummy on October 18, 2008 at 7:13 PM
Please ID the American companies outsourcing jobs to Arab nations. Why are these companies still in business? Please ID them for me so that I might never support them again.
Are only Arabs “hajis?”
But of course, you’re only making fun of bigots.
The Race Card on October 18, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Here’s a good resource for Jihadi Internet news.
Internet Haganah
cryptojunkie on October 18, 2008 at 9:09 PM
LOL-Maybe it is because there are not enough AQ members left alive to support more than one forum anymore.
Dave R. on October 19, 2008 at 1:16 PM
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