WSJ: Fear the coming liberal revolution
posted at 2:55 pm on October 17, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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What will a Barack Obama presidency mean? It will almost certainly give Democrats an undivided government, their first since 1993. In that period, Democrats tried nationalizing the health-care industry — and that was under the direction of a DLC-sponsored moderate President. Under Barack Obama, the Wall Street Journal predicts a return to 1965 … or 1933:
If the current polls hold, Barack Obama will win the White House on November 4 and Democrats will consolidate their Congressional majorities, probably with a filibuster-proof Senate or very close to it. Without the ability to filibuster, the Senate would become like the House, able to pass whatever the majority wants.
Though we doubt most Americans realize it, this would be one of the most profound political and ideological shifts in U.S. history. Liberals would dominate the entire government in a way they haven’t since 1965, or 1933. In other words, the election would mark the restoration of the activist government that fell out of public favor in the 1970s. If the U.S. really is entering a period of unchecked left-wing ascendancy, Americans at least ought to understand what they will be getting, especially with the media cheering it all on.
Some will say that the Democrats deserve a shot at undivided government again, since the Republicans had four years of control over both chambers of Congress and the White House in the Bush years. (Democrats controlled the Senate from 2001-2, thanks to Jumping Jim Jeffords.) Many Republicans, myself included, would gladly agree that the GOP didn’t use its opportunity to change the governing philosophy in Washington, but merely adopted its worst power-hoarding practices. That lost opportunity doesn’t mean the Democrats would make the same mistake.
Read the entire WSJ editorial. They note that in 1933 and 1965, liberal Democrats fundamentally abused the nature of government and its relationship to the economy in ways we still have not corrected. What changes can we expect in an Obama administration?
- Nationalized health care
- Union supremacy and a boost of cash to the Democratic Party
- Massive tax increases and redistributionism
- Curtailed free-speech protections
It’s not a pretty picture.
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The GOP should push for them. Imagine the fun watching Dems vote against them. If they don’t, just think of it as a “race card buy back program.”
rw on October 17, 2008 at 3:34 PM
Heh. I just heard someone use this phrase (I think it might have been Mitt in some post-debate interview) and thought it was catchy and well-illustrated the core of the problem.
progressoverpeace on October 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
And Japan
Grafted on October 17, 2008 at 3:35 PM
Bad times a-comin.
ballz2wallz on October 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM
And that one was about helping a former Catholic return to the light.
It was my philosophy in high school to do missionary dating. I’d get a boyfriend, bring him to church, and soon enough he was literally singing in the choir.
My last ex is now a worship leader.
But hey, I’m white, so you think the worst of me.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:36 PM
I’m gonna look this up, but it sounds like a bunch of premillennialist hokey to me so far…\
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
yeah whatever….save it for someone who believes you.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:37 PM
The US has been, singlehandedly, holding up much of the Western world, and then some. With a weak US, the entire world descends into real chaos (and a few billion of the new folks on Earth disappear).
progressoverpeace on October 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM
Not necessarily. How good do you look in a cocktail dress and heels?
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:38 PM
It is. Spare yourself the time, kid.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:39 PM
No one did before John Nelson Darby started making these arguments in the early 1800’s. No one. Adulterer C.I. Scofield added summaries of Darby’s rants in his Scofield Reference Bible notes, and stupid people have been repeating these lies ever since.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM
yeah whatever….Ezekial predicted Iran would be the primary enemy of Israel, and lead an invasion….and it sure looks like that now….with Russia as a reluctant ally…..
but yeah its all part of the christian right’s conspiracy to force the return of Christ!! right…
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:40 PM
And expose you’re blatant racism and hatred of homosexuals. I have nothing to hide.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
I read through the three chapters, there’s a lot of reference to Gog and Magog but that’s in Revelation as well. I didn’t see anything suggesting it would be referencing Russia.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
Was Russia in the Talmud?
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
WWJD? (What Would Jefferson Do?)
Jefferson, and many of the other Founding Fathers, would call for violent revolution. Seriously, they would do it in a heartbeat. Jefferson thought violent revolution would be necessary as often as every 25 years or so to maintain the people’s power against the government.
aero on October 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
who cares? the church for centuries preached a salvation by works message…buy your indulgences…right.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:41 PM
I’m confused, you’ve gone past ranting and now are into full-blown raving at the moon. I have no idea what on earth you’re talking about.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him and say, “Thus says the Lord God, ‘Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal … You will come from your place out of the [extreme] remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.’”
– Ezekiel 38:2-3; 15-16, NASB
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Everything that comes out of your mouth makes no sense to me. Explanito Por Favor!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM
Let’s put it this way, I got my husband to fall in love with me in pajama pants and t-shirts. He cried when he saw me in formal wear (and this is man who’s cried three times in 10 years).
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM
That’s what I’m saying genius. My interpretations are in line with the Fathers’. Yours aren’t.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM
I’m confused, you’ve gone past ranting and now are into full-blown raving at the moon. I have no idea what on earth you’re talking about. – Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:42 PM
Cue Warren Zevon:
You better stay away from him/
He’ll rip your lungs out, Jim/
Huh, I’d like to meet his tailor.
A…OOOOOOOOOOOOO!….werewolves of London
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Let no wallet be safe
Kini on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
I’m afraid it’s a recurring symptom of the ‘end of days syndrome.’
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
So the Russians are gonna ride horses to Israel. Huh.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
It was my philosophy in high school to do missionary dating.
Me too, though it had a different meaning.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
As you continue to do today.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
oh my preference of dark ladies is racism but prefence of the same sex is a lifestyle choice…right
and of course anyone who doesn’t agree with the gay agenda is hatefulbigotedhomophibicracist
you’re a liberal wacko.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
Babylon came out of the north (because their armies marched up north and then west around the great desert between Chaldea and the Mediterranean, rather than going stragiht through).
Alexander’s Greek army came from the north.
The Romans came from the north.
I’m still missing something here.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM
you’re a liar as well as a wacko.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:45 PM
not all christians beleive in Dispensationalism, which is a new thought. Many still beleive in Post-Millenialism and all the prophecies came to past a long time ago, Satan was defeated at the Cross, we are in process of building Jesus Kingdom through Dominion(Capitalism) and things keep getting better over time, not worse(though this does happen in short time periods but not the longer periods).
Then there are the more polite Amillenialist, anyway point is plenty of evangelical christians have very different beleifs there. World has survived for long periods before without a piece of land named Israel. Though we should support and protect them
jp on October 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM
So, it’s going to be invasion on horseback. That should be entertaining.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Do black women have different types of sex? Are they different creatures with different parts than women with less pigment?
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM
A…OOOOOOOOOOOOO!….werewolves of London
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:44 PM
A belief in lycanthrope is against church teachings.
*strikes out with the crozier*
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:46 PM
Oops, wait…
“Spreading the wealth around” is just another way of getting it
pherrman on October 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM
oh ok, you tell me when that happened. because the babylonian invasion was over when Ezekial wrote that. tell me when Iran joined ANYONE other power to the North, or any other direction, to invade israel.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM
More because they’re our only real ally (save a fledgling Iraq, now) in that part of the world, more than any religious reason, IMO.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Indeed, Your Grace. For me it was reverse cowboy dating and I don’t mean going to rodeos. There was also doggie dating but it did not involve canines, although one of the young ladies was…um…less than Vogue attractive.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Heh.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM
Some do say this, but they are wrong. Bush never had a filibuster proof majority in the senate. One of the reasons spending went up so much is because the dems who voted as a block demanded to be paid off before they would allow anything to be voted on.
free on October 17, 2008 at 3:47 PM
This is precisely why I’m voting AGAINST the “o”. I Remember my Dad telling me what it was really like during the 30’s. He scoffed and then rolled his eyes when other elders in the family said we should’ve thanked hitler. I think he said that in 66 or 67…
jerrytbg on October 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Are they different creatures with different parts than women with less pigment?
When I study Beyonce, sometimes I feel the answer would be “yes.”
Hoooooooo, that’s a woman.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM
jealous.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
In 1 John 2:18 St. John is referring to prophetic teaching with which his readers were obviously familiar.
A) It is the last time
B) You’ve heard that anti-Christ should come in the last time
C) Anti-Christs are everywhere, which is
D) Proof that we are in the last time
Rev. 1:1 says that everything that follows are things that must shortly come to pass. Rev. 22 says the time is at hand.
The “time of Jacob’s trouble,” Jer. 30:7, was the war between the Jews and Romans resulting in the siege and sack of Jerusalem in AD 70. Matt. 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 all describe this event, which occurred nearly 2,000 years ago. In fact, the events prophesied in Matt. 24 are bracketed with Matt. 23:36 and Matt. 24:34, “All these things shall come upon this generation,” perfectly consistent with St. John’s words.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM
I am not a believer in Biblical prophesy, but I find it hard to argue against the idea that biblical scenarios are currently being played out pretty faithfully. Whether or not Russia is part of the prophesy is a minor issue. BHO in office will leave Israel with no friends, at all, and a bunch of nations that have been trying to exterminate the Jews, there, for a long time. A fight is in the offing (as we all know that Iran must be confronted by someone, eventually) and Israel’s only real defense is nuclear. Make of it what you will, but the questions over the particulars of biblical passages pales in comparison to the shape of events unfolding.
progressoverpeace on October 17, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Gosh I hope not.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
We also did not have 60 votes in the Senate and Dschle and Reid pretty much ran over their counterparts so we really were never in power – from an agenda setting circumstance
EricPWJohnson on October 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Plus their destruction would unite the Muslim world and they would read ALOT into that on their part.
AND, its the right thing to do because they are an ally, they actually produce Intellectual Capital to the world unlike these Muslim hell holes. Lots of companies, Medical Research, etc.
jp on October 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Whoa – there’s a hall of mirrors in this thread!
Vashta.Nerada on October 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Hey, with oil prices tanking, horses will be all the Russkies can afford.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 3:49 PM
Bingo, have a cookie.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
That’s quite some argument, “Who cares?” Typical dispy apologetics. The Church started with Menno Simon, eh?
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
very true…but now Israel exists again, as Ezekial predicted…the same guy that predicted Iran would be their primary foe….amazing to watch it unfold…
but according to the preterists there’s nothing to see here …move along….
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
Halle Berry. Sade. Tyra Banks. Naomi Campbell. M-M-MMMMMM.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
LMAO! Good point!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:50 PM
they also basically bribed him with their spending request, using funding for Iraq as the bait.
jp on October 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Yipes, this thread has taken a disturbing turn.
Can we get back to missionary dating with Beyonce?
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
do you still support indulgences? just because ‘the church’ supported something for millenia, doesn’t make it right.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
What in blazing heck is a preterist?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
someone who thinks the prophecies of revelation were finished in AD 70…Nero was the anti-christ…but somehow Jesus forgot to return…
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM
Because I want black women to want me? Or because I wish I had extra parts?
On the first, I actually have no problem with black men being interested in me, but I’m faithful to my husband, so it’s often a little awkward.
On the second, my husband is fully satisfied with the parts I do have, and we plan on making full use of them in our lifetime together.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM
The opposite of a post-terist, silly.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM
What in blazing heck is a preterist?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:51 PM
Someone who wants to missionary date with Beyonce.
We are all Preterists today.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
I don’t know so much about the Nero part, and I disagree on the “Forgetting” part, but in the other one – guilty as charged, mate!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
yeah Jesus just ‘forgot’ to return…sigh…
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
LMAO
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:53 PM
He never said that. Where’d you get that?
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Go man, go!
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
and we plan on making full use of them in our lifetime together.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:52 PM
You’re not a Transformer, are you?
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
oh yeah your posts in the other thread indicate a ‘happily’ married woman…. :rolleyes:
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Ah, how quickly we forget the hordes on horses were not Russians, but instead from what is now Mongolia. Russians weren’t even Russian until nearly 1000 years after Christ was born, but the lands of the steppes, if that was Gog and Magog, would have been Tartar, not Slavic. They were the masters of the horse.
Of course, anyone can look back at a loosely-worded passage and say “they meant this, not that!” I think that’s what’s going on here in regards to Russia and Ezekial.
Anna on October 17, 2008 at 3:54 PM
Chaos is coming whether the US is weak or not. Muslims have been allowed to emigrate to almost every country in the world. Also the US tends to take the Muslim side in every conflict so who knows maybe a strong US would help the Muslims destroy the Western world.
aengus on October 17, 2008 at 3:55 PM
Prophecy: specific enough to be interesting, vague enough to be interpretable.
Rule No. 22 of the Fantasy Storyteller Guidebook. Unfortunately applies to most Biblical prophecy as well.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 3:55 PM
You know I have nothing but love for you (get your head out of the gutter, right4life), and I humbly suggest just walking away. Please. His obsession with you is not worth a single keystroke.
Anna on October 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Israel has every right to exist and to defends herself, ok? Lemme get that straight. But Christians (should) believe that the Church is the people of God now, the new Israel (Gal. 3:26; 6:16; He. 12:18-24). Therefore, the reestablishment of Israel has nothing to do with prophecy.
People like Right have been switching gears as to who the latest anti-Christ is for 100 years, ever since the adulterer Scofield put Darby’s comments in the notes of his “reference Bible.” Bismark, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, even Reagan, now Obama. Enough!!!
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:56 PM
Again, just because you were given a poor education about sex, it doesn’t mean I don’t know better.
More than meets the eye? Nah, fully human.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Especially when it’s convient to demonize our particular enemies at the time.
Anna on October 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Never heard of Pentacost? “I will not leave you comforless, I will come to you.”
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
Work out that definition of “the bizarre right” yet, TB? Go man, go!
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
you’re an idiot. who came into this thread, and posted to me??
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
More than meets the eye? Nah, fully human.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM
Ok…I’ll trust you on that. But if you suddenly turn in to a Camaro, I’m calling you out.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:58 PM
that happened before 70 AD. and that was the Holy Spirit, not Jesus.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 3:59 PM
Can I be part of the bizarre right? Beats being a racist.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 3:59 PM
and this attitude has led to a great deal of anti-semitism in the church for millenia.
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 4:01 PM
I know for a fact that you’re right, and when I’m ruled by logic I follow sound advise like that. I’ll agree today because of you, but you should know that some of what made it so ugly last time is what they said about your mother. It doesn’t matter to people like him if you engage or stay away. They’ll hate anyway. It’s what they know.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM
This thread got way, WAY off track.
aero on October 17, 2008 at 4:03 PM
yeah why would anyone want to demonize ahmadinahad? he’s a swell guy!! and Putin? he’s a lover of stuffed animals, and unicorns!! naw he’s never do anything like have someone killed by polonium poisoning…he’s much too nice!!
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Religion spoils a good sex chat every time.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 4:04 PM
Of course. The problem is that, left by herself, Israel will need to resort to much stronger measures in her own defense. The idiot Euros did the same thing to the US with Iraq. If the morons in Europe could have backed the US, or at least not become our enemy in the process, then Iraq would have gone quickly, smoothly, and cheaply. Their desire to isolate the US forced us into a different situation which made it worse for everyone.
Well, references to Israel in the Old Testament have nothing to do with the Church and the reborn Israel of today is exactly what any Old Testament prophet would have been referring to. (Note, I am Jewish, so I only look at the Old Testament).
That’s true, but it doesn’t diminish the situation of today and the eerily accurate descriptions of the Old Testament. I write this off to a great knowledge of society and the interplays between peoples with known cultural characteristics, but that’s just a secular interpretation.
For the record, I think BHO will mark the death of our Republic and I also think he will force Israel into an untenable position that will end in a major, MAJOR conflict.
progressoverpeace on October 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Does Turkey count?
aengus on October 17, 2008 at 4:05 PM
Sex chat is also against church teachings.
Heretic.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM
A Camaro? I’d be a Viper. Those are fun. For my husband’s 25th I rented him one. We drove in it so long with the top down that I got a seat belt sunburn line.
Esthier on October 17, 2008 at 4:06 PM
absolutely right.
very true. and no one can describe another time in history that matches those descriptions….
right4life on October 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Oooookay… think I’ve had enough of this discussion. Have fun folks.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 4:07 PM
Matt. 24:29-30 – He also came at the head of the Roman legions to destroy the City. He’s here now!
Compare Mt. 24:29 to Acts 2:16. Same imagery as used in the OT to describe the ends of Egypt, Babylon, Edom, and more.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:09 PM
The prophecies of return referred to returning from Babylon to Judea under Nehemiah. Paraphrasing, “There will come a time when they will no longer say, ‘As the LORD led Israel out of Egypt,’ but, ‘As the LORD led Israel out of Babylon,’” etc. I forget the chapter and verse, sorry.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM
Bu-bye.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:12 PM
The works have to be accompanied by faith. By the way, indulgences still exist.
My sister now attends a church that believes totally in salvation by faith. She does some pretty nasty stuff and then says “Well, I prayed to the Lord and he forgave me.” Faith by itself not accompanied by an external expression of that faith (good works) is hollow.
It’s why Catholicism requires things like penance (trying to remedy by work some of the effects of your sins) and reconciliation/confession, where you actively apologize for your sins. It’s why, when Jesus speaks in the parables, it is always in terms of action. It’s why “ye shall know them by their fruits” and “do unto others as thou wouldst have them do unto you” are part of our social fabric.
So, you are welcome to your faith, but do not disparage works.
unclesmrgol on October 17, 2008 at 4:13 PM
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