McCain to Obama: Lay off Joe the Plumber
posted at 3:53 pm on October 17, 2008 by Allahpundit
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“Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks,” says Maverick, speaking for every conservative in America. Has The One’s campaign formally attacked J the P, though? I’d be shocked if they have, as that’s not their M.O. They like to leave the nastiest stuff, particularly in the racial vein, for their surrogates and for the media so that St. Barack can keep his hands clean. I assume Maverick’s accusing them of feeding oppo research on Wurzelbacher’s tax liens, etc, to the press under the radar, but even there I’m skeptical. Anyone think our very impartial media wasn’t willing to go dumpster diving on its own here?
Exit quotation: “Plunge the crap out of Washington.”
Update: A good point’s being raised in the comments that I should have mentioned myself. Given all the whining being done about Palin’s supposed failure to condemn viciousness at her rallies, why hasn’t The One politely asked the media to refrain from tearing a guy to pieces who had the temerity to ask him a question? Why is he content to let this go on? And yes, that’s a rhetorical question.
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Report: Secret Service Says ‘Kill Him’ Allegations at Palin Rally Unfounded
A Secret Service agent called charges that a man yelled “kill him” in reference to Barack Obama during a Sarah Palin rally “unfounded”
I guess the Obamatrons with computing skills are laying low until after David Kernell’s trial in case he plans to cut a deal and rat out his buddies.
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Does “spread the wealth” include slave reperations Senator Government?
dhunter on October 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Both halves of this statement are wrong. I own a one man business much like some independent plumbers operate, and my tax burden is going to go way up under the Democrats’ tax bill as it’s currently written. The rules changes in Rangel’s HR3970 would have cost me an extra $5000 this year due to an expanded application of the “self employment tax” to all company income in addition to wage income. I’m so sick of hearing Obama lie about taxes, I can barely stand it anymore. And yes, Charlie Rangel is writing tax legislation.
The second part about the death threats apparently didn’t happen according to the Secret Service.
forest on October 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM
dhunter on October 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM
WTF are you talking about?
DaveS on October 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM
It’s not that you’ll “pay less taxes”, it’s more accurately stated as “you won’t have to pay more taxes” unless you’re over $250k.
That is, until Bush’s cuts expire. If they’re not renewed, then EVERYONE’S taxes go up. And I doubt Senator Government intends to renew them… Maverick has already stated that he will.
See, crr6, we’re opposed to ANY form of new tax – whether it affects us or not!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM
Yes, the ONE’s Campaign has officially attacked Joe the Plumber and other plumbers as well.
Joe Biden said he is worried about “real plumbers” on the tonight show and Barack Obama said McCain is worried about “plumbers” today at his campaign rally. Like plumbers are a priveledged class unlike tenured idiot teachers.
Elizabetty on October 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM
As he specified what tax cut the rest of us (95%) will get?
30%, 20%, 0.000005%. Should I start spending it now or should I wait just incase?
neuquenguy on October 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM
It’s based on my ongoing observations and study of the league’s ups and downs, and always leads to the conclusions that the Eagles are going to win. Forces conspire against me of course, as they do with all great men.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Obama: “That’s not true.”
McCain: “That’s what the facts and records say.”
Obama: “Those aren’t the facts.”
Liberalism: Rewriting reality one fact at a time!!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM
AubieJon on October 17, 2008 at 4:20 PM
Did you hear the one guy? “Ah could sure use the money, and them there rich people can make it back some other way.”
Gaia help us if Oboofa and his slack-jawed minions take power.
Bishop on October 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Obama’s Lawyer calls for investigation of FBI probe of ACORN to see if its politically motivated
William Amos on October 17, 2008 at 4:33 PM
Nope. Sorry.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM
DaveS on October 17, 2008 at 4:27 PM
One of HotAir’s posters attempted to pay Joe’s tax bill today and someone had beaten him to the draw. The poster then attempted to help with the hospital bill but due to privacy reasons they were unable to give the poster any info. RedState has a place where you can sign a petition and donate money but they need more information because I don’t care who they are, I am not donating until I have proof that it is going directly to Joe. At that point I am in. Can Allah or Ed help us with some background?
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM
Funny how all the liberal press seems to forget it was Obama who made the error in showing his true self and saying to Joe the Plumber he wanted to “spread the weatlth around”.
Joe just asked a question, Obama tipped us of his socialist agenda.
————
Rule #1 in the upcoming empire of the One: If you publicly question the One’s judgment and wisdom expect a late night visit by the Obama gestapo.
albill on October 17, 2008 at 4:34 PM
You couldn’t make that up if you tried LOL
lorien1973 on October 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Imagine an Obama-world where the Fairness Doctrine is in full swing, conservative radio and blogs are shut down, and the only news about Joe the Plumber will come from the MSM.
If that doesn’t motivate you, then check your pulse.
m064404 on October 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Sen’ahtor gubmint-kin ah gits me a “tax cut check”? Ah needs tuh git me sum redistruhbuted wealth!
Badger40 on October 17, 2008 at 4:35 PM
Oh well, I know Dear Leader is going to do whatever is best for us, little people.
neuquenguy on October 17, 2008 at 4:36 PM
Ah dun kar hoo yuu arr, tha’s funnee rite thar.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 4:29 PM
Not time, many people to bore, truth optional.
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM
I heard that one. He sounded several bricks shy of a load. They’re either very smarmy sounding or just dumb.
AubieJon on October 17, 2008 at 4:37 PM
Just like not giving loans to people who cannot pay them back is racially motivated.
Elizabetty on October 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:32 PM
Well okay then, since I am a Skins fan I will just waste my money betting on them and feel great about my loyalty.
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 4:38 PM
That’s going to blow up in their face.
TheBigOldDog on October 17, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Hey, the Skins are stting pretty right now. They’ve played all their division road games already and were 2-1.
I was a Skins fan for a while but I’ve been sober for 27 years.
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM
neuquenguy on October 17, 2008 at 4:31 PM
I am going to start spending mine as soon as I am done with the lottery winnings I am positive to have any day now.
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM
Got you beat there, buddy. I get all that, PLUS my two choices for dinner: 1) Take it, or 2) Leave it.
Patrick S on October 17, 2008 at 4:42 PM
This, I think.
CHICAGO » Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, stopped short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to American Indians but said the country should acknowledge its history of poor treatment of certain ethnic groups.
“There’s no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we’ve got some very sad and difficult things to account for,” Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY ‘08, a convention of four minority journalism associations.
The Hawaii-born senator, who has told local reporters that he supports the federal recognition bill for native Hawaiians drafted by U.S. Sen. Daniel Akaka, noted other ethnic groups but did not mention native Hawaiians when answering a question about his thoughts on a formal U.S. apology to American Indians.
“I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged,” the Democratic presidential hopeful said.
“I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it’s Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds.”
However, in digging around it looks like he’s trying to play it both ways — appearing to back off on endorsing the ’slave reparations’ concept that his buddy Rev. Wright advocates, but still offering a big piece of PIE to members of any group who fill slighted by past mistreatment.
I’m looking forward to receive my cut of the PIE under the Irish-American Reparations Act of 2009.
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Akzed on October 17, 2008 at 4:41 PM
I have an autographed picture of Sonny! That should speak volumes about my age.
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 4:43 PM
Reality is, McCain should not have invoked The Plumber some 15 times in the debate. He knows how the media circus works, and he should have left Joe out of the ring. Doesn’t excuse the crap being slung, but McCain should have left the guy alone.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 4:44 PM
Does “spread the wealth” include slave reperations Senator Government?
dhunter on October 17, 2008 at 4:30 PM
Yes, I believe it does – and so does Jesse Jackson. As he stated in the New York Post, Wednesday, 10/15/2008:
Will Obama’s election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.
“No, that chapter won’t be closed,” he says. “However, Obama’s victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades.”
Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. “I see no evidence of that,” he says. “Obama’s thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture.”
But is Obama – who’s not a descendant of slaves – truly a typical American black?
Jackson emphatically answers yes: “You don’t need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society,” he says. “Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain.”
So, yes, I truly believe slave reparations will happen if Obama is elected. Hang on to your pocketbook!
txstar on October 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM
What does that even mean? Anyone who thinks the media, and acorn and the democrat party are somehow seperate independant entities operating on their own must be a manhattan liberal. Maybe barry and pelosi don’t pick up the phone and tell the head of acorn where to go and what to do directly, maybe, but anyone thinking these organizations aren’t working in concert is crazy or blind (in other words, a manhattan liberal).
peacenprosperity on October 17, 2008 at 4:45 PM
Lifelong Redskins fan here. I love backing a team with the most politically-incorrect name in the country!
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 4:47 PM
Any truth to the rumor about hecklers showing up at Obama rallies with plungers?
Time for plumbers to give the Poker-face a royal flush!
Steve Z on October 17, 2008 at 4:48 PM
So it’s McCain’s fault that liberals and Obama are acting like a bunch of idiots and trying to character assassinate some normal guy.
Now that’s interesting.
Why isn’t it Obama’s fault for asking him a question in the first place?
Why isn’t it Obama’s fault for saying “spread the wealth around”
Why isn’t it Joe’s fault for existing?
lorien1973 on October 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM
A rather late thought, but perhaps this should be added to the list:
* Destroys anyone who tarnishes his image through the hands of his cronies – CHECK
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 17, 2008 at 4:49 PM
I think we are on a roll with Joe the Plumber, but I recommend McCain adds;
“Senator Obama would punish small business such as Joe’s with high taxes. His old ideas of socialism would end the dream of American prosperity that has made America the greatest country on earth!”
Star20 on October 17, 2008 at 4:50 PM
If we are in the “Conclusions Olympics” you just won the Long Jump. You might try reading my post a tad slower next time.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Back to the topic…
I really despised the way John McCain spent so much time during the debate talking about Joe the Plumber’s personal life. I mean, the way he held up his voter registration information, spelled out his last name, read out his home address, told us about his tax status and what licenses he held… that really bothered me. It’s almost as if John McCain didn’t want to address the millions of people who had heard Senator Obama’s response to Joe’s question through the news reports and viral videos and instead wanted to exploit Joe’s weaknesses and failings.
Yep, that John McCain is an angry old man.
/sarc
More lobster, anyone?
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM
Illegal aliens have not apprenticed for masonry work or electrical, so where are the comparisons?
Oh. Hussein loves illegals, so we won’t hear it.
madmonkphotog on October 17, 2008 at 4:59 PM
Joe Lieberman deserves an award.
peacenprosperity on October 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Hmmm…..reparations……..now THAT’S a tasty subject.
It’ll make that whole “redistribution” thing seem like small potatoes.
omnipotent on October 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM
We’ve got to figure out a way to keep that whole lobster thing out there- it illustrates what the Obama’s are so beautifully-
“We’ve all got to tighten our belts, give up a little something, learn to do with less”
What a hypocritical tool. I hope Michelle wasn’t dipping her lobster in butter, she’s got an ass the size of a barn.
anniekc on October 17, 2008 at 5:01 PM
Do you even have to ask? Both Obama and Biden are publicly trying to discredit JTP by distorting the facts regarding that $250k number he mentioned. IMO, a presidential candidate doing such a thing is even more distasteful than spouting veiled Marxist ideology – but not by much.
Are we really going to elect this guy…?
CliffHanger on October 17, 2008 at 5:04 PM
O/T: I think it’s great that Joementum is supporting McCain, but, sometimes during McCain’s speech, I wondered what he’s thinking when McCain is espousing conservative principles that Lieberman definitely doesn’t support.
JadeNYU on October 17, 2008 at 5:04 PM
I’m reporting your IP address to the Obama Truth Squads… ;)
CliffHanger on October 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 4:52 PM
Playing both sides of the fence must be so tiring but you are really good at it. Points for fairness?
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM
Lobster is fairly low in calories…
And, yes, Michelle is hideous. I will indulge in my catty side and say she’s got some of the worst posture and oddest taste in dresses that I’ve ever seen. And her mouth… ick.
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 5:05 PM
I think he’s thinking that the security of his country and its allies are more important than a bunch of social issues.
God bless him. I actually think he can be brought around on some of the social issues, especially abortion.
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 5:08 PM
y-not, txstar, omnipotent:
Thanks for splammin to Dave S. Anyone who listens to Senator Government and realizes the church he grew up in for 20 years and his community actions and associations would have a hard time coming to the conclusion that he would not force slave reperations upon this country.
He will probably call it The White Tax Feedom Fund rebate , or WTF fund just to make it sound good!
dhunter on October 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM
The attacks on Joe (Samuel) have a “racist edge!” He is middle class white and That One is letting the sharks eat him up. The wealth is going to be taken and spread around
wepeople on October 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Well, because….oh wait….
FiveWays on October 17, 2008 at 5:11 PM
Without reading all of the comments, I believe the answer to be YES. I heard Joe Biden ask what plumber makes a quarter of a million a year. I heard BO attack John McCain for coming to the aid of a plumber. He practically spit out the word plumber. Obviously this plumber is below the dignity of BO.
duggersd on October 17, 2008 at 5:15 PM
Ditto at 5:04PM.
CliffHanger on October 17, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Did you happen to notice Iranian caviar. I think that would be a little more significant than lobster.
Oldnuke on October 17, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Iranian caviar?
DaveS on October 17, 2008 at 5:19 PM
Fairness is a rare and precious commodity in politics and blogs.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 5:20 PM
Room service staff: “Iranian caviar, Senator Obama?”
Barack Obama: “I’m sorry, I didn’t hear you–you know, because of my tin ear. Just send it up, thanks.”
DaveS on October 17, 2008 at 5:21 PM
Yeah, Y-not posted a link with what Michelle ordered from room service at their hotel. Iranian caviar was one item.
Oldnuke on October 17, 2008 at 5:22 PM
oldnuke, I know… I was meaning to express sarcastic disbelief.
DaveS on October 17, 2008 at 5:30 PM
Ok, gotcha. I’m a little slow tonight. It’s been a long day.
Oldnuke on October 17, 2008 at 5:32 PM
HJere’s to our new socialist overlord comrade…
I glad to hear someone is taking care of Joe.
Cr4sh Dummy on October 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM
And yet, for some reason, Dubya is the one they call Chimpy. Go figure.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 5:46 PM
It’d be nice if they started calling him by his real name. He’s got a name y’know — Joe Wurzelbacher. You watch these interviews on TV, man, Joe the Plumber” this; “Joe the Plumber” that; people are smart enough to figure it out. Watching last nights Alfred E. Smith dinner the elite seemed to be having a little too much fun with “Joe the Plumber” (ie, the man on main street). Mr. Wurzelbacher appears to be a patriotic American, and from what I gather so far, could do a much better job serving this country than the crowd at the Alfred E. Smith dinner who live in their own little ivory tower and know nothing about the REAL WORLD.
apacalyps on October 17, 2008 at 5:48 PM
I need to find where she said this. Any cites?
Jimmie on October 17, 2008 at 5:49 PM
How about reparations for us (part-) German Americans?
Despite being firmly loyal to the red, white, and blue, my German-American forebears were treated like crap by some of their American neighbors during the War years.
It still causes me pain to read my grandmother’s diaries. I need a pain and suffering reparation check.
Edouard on October 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM
That would be net income before taxes. Or more exactly: “Small business profits” is equal to the net profits less net losses of sole proprietors, S-corporation shareholders, and partners. Back of the envelope estimate that JTP was able to earn 20% profit margin (A pretty large profit margin) indicates that his Gross yearly revenues would have to be approx. $1,250,000.00 in order to earn $250,000 net income.
New_Jersey_Buckeye on October 17, 2008 at 5:56 PM
Don’t worry, after he wins the election he will “find out” the Secret Service people are all racist and will be replaced with the black panthers for protection.
Corsair on October 17, 2008 at 5:58 PM
Dirty Tricksters redux.
mylegsareswollen on October 17, 2008 at 6:00 PM
You cannot tell me you don’t know who David Axelrod is.
Jim Treacher on October 17, 2008 at 6:00 PM
you wouldnd’t know ‘fairness’ if it jumped up and bit you in your fat troll ass
telling people to read you posts more slowly is a good one, though: that way, they get a more nuanced appreciation of how you say THE SAME CRAP OVER AND OVER AGAIN
the talking points you post are on HuffPs hours earlier…….
Janos Hunyadi on October 17, 2008 at 6:02 PM
Hmmmm I think it might be fun to attach a Plumber’s plunger to my Mccaine sign in my yard!
CinnamongirlUF on October 17, 2008 at 6:06 PM
How did three weeks before the election did everyone become obsessed with Joe the Plumber? And what does this whole episode reveal about how the left will go after someone who happens to make The One look less than swell?
Remember this guy didn’t seek out Barack Obama, Obama was doing a photo op in his neighborhood and Joe came out to ask a question. And now we’re at the point where journalists and liberal bloggers are swarming all over this guy’s personal background with an avidity that they haven’t shown about Barack Obama’s record and associates. Does he have a license? Is he registered to vote? Does he have tax liens? Is he related to Charles Keating? Is he a Republican?
They even posted his address on the internet. How low will these guys go to attack anyone who says anything that makes their guy look less than awesome?
What the left doesn’t understand is that Joe’s personal background doesn’t matter at all. What matters is Obama’s answer. And when asked about how Obama’s tax plan would affect a small businessman earning over $250,000, Obama said that it was time to “spread the wealth around.” And it turns out, as James Pethokoukis points out, that overwhelmingly most Americans aren’t in favor of redistributionist tax policies. But Obama revealed that his instincts are, as he told Charlie Gibson in the Democratic debate, to tax wealth as a matter of “fairness.”
So on the way to the coronation of President Obama, one ordinary guy asked a question that made Obama look bad. And the response by those on the left is that this guy Must Be Destroyed. And both Democratic candidates look for easy jokes about what type of plumber earns $250,000. They are tone deaf to the idea that Joe was asking a question about his dream, a dream that many people share of working hard and building up a small business.
As Ed Morrissey describes what we’ve learned from this revealing episode,
1. Thou shalt not offend The One by asking him a question. Of any kind.
2. Anyone who questions The One will have to undergo a public pillorying of a kind unseen since the Red Scare, or perhaps the Inquisition.
3. The Tanning-Bed Media will happily participate in any inquisition, as long as it keeps them from investigating irrelevant issues like Obama’s ties to the Chicago Machine, William Ayers, ACORN, or his record on protecting infanticide.
For those on the left who think that this whole story is about Joe’s personal background, let me put in in terms they should understand. Think of Joe as a symbolic construct whose situation is “fake but accurate.” The left always seems to like that sort of approach to what they regard as underlying truths. Think of him as the left thought of Rigoberta Menchu, the Guatemalan writer who won the Nobel Prize for literature with her autobiography of how, as an indigenous Mayan, she and her family had suffered at the hands of the Guatemalan army. Except it turns out that many of the details in her autobiography were fabrications. That didn’t matter to the left or the Nobel Prize Committee because they regarded her story, true or not, as an essential expression of suffering that could have been true.
It doesn’t matter if Joe is secretly a multimillionaire plumbing magnate or an apprentice plumber with unrealistic dreams. What matters is how Obama answered his question and what it revealed about his approach to redistribution of wealth. We’re not about to elect Joe the Plumber.
A further thought: I would have thought that Democrats would have learned the dangers of going too far in sliming an opponent or anyone who doesn’t support their guy. They helped promote Sarah Palin to a phenomenon by their relentless pursuit of anything that could be used against her. Questioning whether or not she was really the mother of her baby and if she could serve as vice president with a Down Syndrome infant set her up not only for a backlash among ordinary people but helped innoculate her against more substantive criticisms.
Obama suffered some of his biggest setbacks in the primaries after he was taped describing Pennsylvanians as bitterly clinging to their guns and religion. Now John Murtha is having to backtrack after calling his own constituents in western Pennsylvania racists because they might not support Barack Obama. And Obama’s followers are now all outraged that a guy asked the senator a question that evoked a revealing answer when Obama popped into his neighborhood for a photo op. It wasn’t Joe’s question that was so important, but Obama’s answer.
Are they trying to demonstrate that they have actually no real care for ordinary people unless those people are falling in line to vote for The One? They really ought to be more careful not to let that mask slip before the election is over.
Keemo on October 17, 2008 at 6:07 PM
and
Hate to point out your ignorance, but Obama has not said anything that could be interpreted as in favor of reparations. In fact he has remarked multiple times that he is against such reparations. Obama has stated : “I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed.” 8/2/08 Source NY Daily News.
In fact in Obama’s 2004 Senate contest he was asked about reparations in a debate with Alan Keyes. Keyes stated that reparations should be given in the form of a 1-2 generation tax exemption for descendents of slaves. However, Obama stated that”The legacy of slavery is immeasurable, but the best strategies for moving forward would be vigorously enforcing our anti-discrimination laws in education and job training.” Source CBS 2 Chicago
This Website itself, or at least AP, acknowledged back in July that Obama “himself would be cool to this idea[Reparations], believing as he does that white grievances are a function of economic insecurity and, therefore, would likely be intensified by massive compulsory redistributions of wealth based on race. And indeed he was cool to it during his senate run in 2004.” Source Hot Air.
New_Jersey_Buckeye on October 17, 2008 at 6:16 PM
The sign holders were annoying.
The speech–good.
*doesn’t eat because it’s rude*
Montana on October 17, 2008 at 6:27 PM
trailboss:
I did go back and reread your post about McCain mentioning JTP in the debates. I read it very, very slow and it still sucked! Only slower!
Vince on October 17, 2008 at 6:35 PM
New_Jersey_Buckeye:
I’m going to do what most democrats do and that’s make a statement of fact that is a fact because I said so.
Obama is for reparations for African Americans.
Aggravating isn’t it?
Vince on October 17, 2008 at 6:38 PM
Good point, troll, it should have been 30.
Jim Treacher on October 17, 2008 at 6:46 PM
Read slower, Vince, you’ll get it some day.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 6:53 PM
Go take your blood pressure meds before you have a stroke.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 6:55 PM
I’m sure Joe truly appreciates being dragged ever deeper into a dirty campaign cycle.
trailboss on October 17, 2008 at 6:57 PM
Righty-O! That’s why Maverick picked Sarah and not JoeL.
Thank God.
Sapwolf on October 17, 2008 at 7:23 PM
I would love to see a national plumber outrage against Obama’s first class team and demand a non-ceiling income tax break or else, they won’t work on his house!!
This incident my friends, is. the. straw. that. broke. the. back. of. Obama’s. first class. campaign!!
Period…
End.
Of.
Story.
*Obama and his first class supporters will rue the day he ever walked that first class rope line acting all first class cocky in answering first class political questions!!
*Now reread my emphasized comments here and scream them as loud as you can, for me, because I’m so hoarse already, I cannot scream anymore.
Oh well.
Let me go out and practice kicking the mental, psychological and emotional crap out of people.
I’ll see you later.
I’ve had enough for one day.
Mcguyver on October 17, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Barack Obama’s slimy surrogates were on TV talking about how McCain failed to “vet” Joe the Plumber.
They’re taking part in these attacks, directly.
Obama is 100% to blame for this.
daryl_herbert on October 17, 2008 at 7:32 PM
Thanks for these numbers.
So if Joe’s business employed himself and 4 plumbers working 50 to 60 hr work weeks at a typical hourly rate, wouldn’t he gross that much?
In any event, it’s an interesting academic exercise, but not really the crux of the matter, imho.
At the end of the day, what Obama’s “redistribution” answer to Joe’s question reveals is the fundamental difference between conservatives and liberals… which is why it was a great question and well worth the attention McCain gave it in the debate. For many people, the exchange between Obama and Joe will be their “aha” moment when they will finally recognize Obama’s core belief in big government.
For myself, I actually arrived at the realization that John McCain and I share similar values about government spending and taxes when he gave his “$5 million” answer to the “what is rich?” question. I thought it was ironic that he got so much flak for that answer. It was clear that he pulled that number out of the air after some struggle because he doesn’t believe in an arbitrary number that defines “rich,” nor does he believe in punishing success.
I know that my salary now does not reflect the years of sacrifice of living in crummy apartments, getting 4 meals off of one chicken, having no car, and taking no vacations. Nor does my salary go as far in California as it did in Indiana (to say the least!). The point is, my husband and I made choices to sacrifice early in our marriage for my schooling and career — without burdening society, I might ad — why should we be penalized now that we are finally reaping the benefits of those choices?
Paying taxes is a responsibility, but contrary to what the other Joe (Biden) said, there is nothing patriotic or noble about high taxes. One could certainly argue that the reverse is true. My husband’s colleagues in non-profit fundraising are all bracing themselves for the negative effects that higher taxes will have on charitable giving under the Obama-Pelosi-Reid administration.
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 8:31 PM
2nd lawsuit challenges Obama’s citizenship
Man demands state verify birth records or remove senator from ballots
Note: It is incumbent upon ALL Secretaries of State in all of the United States to BOTH accurately verify Voters AND candidates. Barack Hussein Obama has sealed his “Hawaiian” birth records and also records in Kenya.
Failure to verify and certify qualification for ALL candidates in a general election by any Secretary of State may be a cause of action (dereliction of duty) and criminal charges may be filed.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78111
Also:
The Video that could cost Obama the election
http://www.nextgenerationcorp.com/NextGenBlog/?p=68
First Lawsuit against Obama and the DNC:
http://www.obamacrimes.com
AdrianS on October 17, 2008 at 8:43 PM
Thanks for that cordial post.
If you read the thread and my contributions to it you’d see that I am not promoting the Obama is for reparations meme, I merely provided a link to a report in which Obama refers to unspecified “deeds” in the context of reparations to aggrieved groups.
I also referenced his mentor and friend of 20 years, Reverend Wright, and his support of slave reparations.
You may not interpret Obama’s various statements on this subject as suggesting he’s for reparations, but others do, including the editorial board of the Investor’s Business Daily (excerpted below).
My own interpretation, as I said in my prior post, is that Obama is trying to play both sides of this issue — he won’t cut a check to the individual African-Americans, but he would ensure that there are government programs targeted solely for their benefit.
Clearly you and I disagree about whether a program of this type is a good idea, but don’t insult me or the other posters here by calling us ignorant. All you are doing is further reinforcing the notion that Obama’s supporters are mindless trolls incapable of engaging in an intelligent discussion with people whose views differ from their own.
Have a nice day.
Y-not on October 17, 2008 at 8:49 PM
trailboss:
McCain was not the one who created the situation, Obama was. All McCain did was repeat something that Joe had said as. Of course that was after the press had already made asses of themselves over the whole thing. After all, that is how McCain heard about the plumber.
But hey, if you want to go on kissing Obama’s butt and making excuses for his bad behavior and the bad behavior of his campaign and supporters go ahead.
Earlier on Fox some Democrat was yammering on about how the McCain campaign had not vetted Joe. As if standing in your front yard and asking a question of a narcissistic politician should require vetting by anyone.
BTW, I think this was bad, but not as tacky as the Sarah Palin is a Cunt Tshirts.
The Democrats are such classy campaigners.
Terrye on October 17, 2008 at 9:31 PM
And I’m sure that TB is proud to be counted among their number.
ManlyRash on October 17, 2008 at 10:00 PM
I’m sure you think that’s anybody’s fault but the people who are doing it, troll.
Jim Treacher on October 17, 2008 at 11:08 PM
You are one ignorant sack of crap.
csdeven on October 17, 2008 at 11:21 PM
Bottom line: All the attacks on Joe are good for McCain because it will keep in the news cycle the exchange b/w Obama and Joe and that doesn’t do Obama any favors. The best strategy for Obama and his surrogates would be to drop this one and fast. Right now their battling McCain on ground of his choosing, not theirs.
PackerBronco on October 17, 2008 at 11:26 PM
Great to see Mac firing up the crowd.
I for one have had to call a plumber on New Years Eve of all times due to frozen pipes and was happy to pay through the nose to have my water and heat back!
muggedbyreality on October 17, 2008 at 11:55 PM
McCain is starting to sound like a winner.
Mojave Mark on October 17, 2008 at 11:56 PM
I’m bored, so I’m going to pretend I’m a Democrat and just make stuff up:
“In Senator Obama’s new tax relief plan, the government buys you $3000 dollars of lottery scratch tickets. A representative from Acorn will do the actual scratching of your tickets, but you must pay him $200.00 per hour or you are a racist.
You get to keep all the losing tickets, the government keeps all the winners, and then somebody will stop by and shoot your dog.”
Doug on October 18, 2008 at 12:15 AM
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