What we can learn from the Joe the Plumber episode; Update: AOL Hot Seat Poll Added
posted at 11:05 pm on October 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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Honestly, I’m rather surprised that Joe Wurzelbacher and his rope-line dialogue with Barack Obama has managed to stay in the news for as long as it has. I knew when I first heard the exchange that it went badly for Obama. I didn’t expect Joe the Plumber to be the main topic of the last presidential debate. And I certainly didn’t expect Obama supporters to keep the story alive by their rabid character assassination of a man who did nothing more than ask a question — at random.
Now, we have people crawling over his tax records, his voter registration, his professional licensing, and whatever else they can find in the public record. Someone has linked him to the long-deceased Charles Keating, suggesting that somehow Obama managed to pick a McCain plant out of a ropeline full of people by accident. How much longer before a certain blogger at The Atlantic demands a paternity test to see if Joe the Plumber fathered Sarah Palin’s baby — or Bristol’s, for that matter?
There is a stench of desperation surrounding this, as if they sense defeat coming from a moment of honesty from Obama about his real intentions to institute a regime of redistribution. They want to discredit the man who only asked the question as if he’s some political operative who magically forced Obama to sound … well, a little like a Marxist. Why? They want to distract people from Obama’s answer by sliming the man Obama picked at random to ask a question.
And where’s the Tanning Bed Media on this topic? Danny Glover lays it out:
Jonathan Martin of The Politico was among the first out of the gate, with blog posts noting that Wurzelbacher, affectionately known by most of America as “Joe The Plumber,” has a tax lien against him and doesn’t have a plumber’s license. Martin conveniently forgot to mention that the law doesn’t require one.) Bloomberg also has a story on the tax lien, and AP and The Washington Post did their part to make a story out of the “unlicensed” non-story.
Expect more of the same over coming days. In fact, don’t be surprised if all of those investigative reporters sent to Alaska after John McCain chose Sarah Palin as his running mate suddenly get reassigned to the plumber beat in flyover country. Joe The Plumber must be discredited at all costs! …
But why is it that political reporters only get curious when a conservative Joe America storms onto the scene? Why aren’t they just as curious when liberals trot out, say, a 12-year-old boy to give a national radio address?
It has been almost a year to the day since journalists dropped the ball on telling America more about Graeme Frost, the boy who made the case for sinking billions of dollars more into the State Children’s Health Insurance Program. But when Michelle Malkin and other curious conservative bloggers did the legwork the press wouldn’t, they earned the scorn of their mainstream colleagues.
Indeed. And Joe Wurzelbacher didn’t give a speech or make a commercial. He asked a question. He stood on a rope line, and Obama picked him to ask it. The Tanning-Bed Media seems to feel that they have a duty to expose every last part of Wurzelbacher’s life, but that asking Obama to explain his political partnerships with Tony Rezko and William Ayers, and his long friendship and financial support of rabid demagogues Jeremiah Wright and Michael Pfleger, are not just out of bounds but downright racist.
So what have we learned from this episode?
- Thou shalt not offend The One by asking him a question. Of any kind.
- Anyone who questions The One will have to undergo a public pillorying of a kind unseen since the Red Scare, or perhaps the Inquisition.
- The Tanning-Bed Media will happily participate in any inquisition, as long as it keeps them from investigating irrelevant issues like Obama’s ties to the Chicago Machine, William Ayers, ACORN, or his record on protecting infanticide.
Don’t ask questions. Don’t check the records of people running for political office, but do check the records of those who dare violate Rule #1. No dissent will be tolerated. Our political and media masters have spoken.
I only ask one favor of the Left and the media: please keep this story alive for another three weeks. I can’t wait to read Michelle’s column tomorrow.
Update & Bump: I’ve added the AOL Hot Seat Poll to this post, and bumped it to keep in near the top for today’s Top Picks.
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Now Obama’s finally found his “Jeremiah Wright” moment. McCain can take this video and ask every working American how they would feel if Obama said “your job is not worth fighting for” Substitute “plumber” with teacher, fire-fighter, policeman, et all. You mock one, Mr. Obama, you mock all of us!
Rovin on October 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM
You’re conflating my posts with some moronic assumption that I am against free speech. I never said he didn’t have the right to ask a question. I do think he doesn’t have the right to, say, not pay taxes. I pay mine, after all. Why should the rest of us carry his burden?
And no I’ve never been arrested, late on my taxes, been a babysitter or a barber without license. I’ve got a couple of speeding tickets. I’m an engineer married to a teacher. Belong to neither political party. Steelers fan. I tend to follow the law. If my life were blown up in the press I don’t think anybody would care that much, it would be pretty boring.
e-pirate on October 16, 2008 at 9:10 PM
None of those things require licenses, so they were good to go.
e-pirate on October 16, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Good post. You got me. I concede the argument.
e-pirate on October 16, 2008 at 9:13 PM
e-pirate:
Well I don’t know if you have paid your taxes or not. So unless you put your name and address on line so that some intrepid reporter can bird dog your trail and put your business all over the media, how can I be sure?
And that sanctimonious crap about paying taxes is really rich. You do not know this man or his circumstances and what is more it is none of your damn business.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 9:15 PM
So e-pirate, do we start doing the same kind of investigative work with the Obama side of the aisle, or are they too special to worry about the law?
e-pirate missed his calling. He should have been one of those judges in the middle ages who used to go on witch hunts.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 9:17 PM
but one of them soon will if Bambi gets his way eh Beth?
sven10077 on October 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
Allright, that’s over the line. You’re asking e-pirate to risk his safety in a massive manner by posting personal information out on the ‘net, for anyone to see. For Pete’s sake, one of the first rules of the Internet any *kid* learns is not to reveal such things!
Dark-Star on October 16, 2008 at 9:18 PM
I mean the guy is standing out in his yard and here comes the Messiah. I guess he was supposed to say, I am sorry Senator I can not talk to you. I have a tax lien and am therefor unworthy.
I would have told Obama to get his ass off my property. That would have made for some interesting news.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 9:19 PM
e-pirate:
Here’s some questions for you:
I know a guy who owns an oil company. He’s worth about 200 million bucks. He has a Grade 5 education. Should he give his money back because he isn’t “properly licensed” as an oil company owner?
My Dad has a Grade 12 GED. He does mineral leases for oil companies. Should he go back to farming or selling lumber because he doesn’t have a college degree or some fancy licenses?
I have a friend who can speak four languages and has two degrees. She works at the makeup counter at Macy’s. Should she honestly be given more money or a better job because of her “licenses”?
Yeah, you make your life what it is by what you DO, not by how many stupid licenses you have.
mjk on October 16, 2008 at 9:20 PM
*warning these ethics are not expected nor required of newsies or self-appointed vigilance and truth squads who enforce the Will of the ONE….
sven10077 on October 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM
Dark-Star:
Oh for Chrisake, I am just making a point. I am not asking the little worm to do anything. His point is that since Joe was on camera he has no right to privacy. I am just pointing out that the internet is not exactly private.
It is called sarcasm.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 9:21 PM
McCain’s on the biggest roll of the whole Campaign!!!!
Rovin on October 16, 2008 at 9:23 PM
Perhaps tax lien = problem on the part of Joe’s mortgage company. I know my tax payments are wrapped in, and my mortgage provider’s payments to our taxing body have been…less than punctual. But that’s for Joe, not the Tanning Bed Media.
The plaid-shirted man in Rockwell’s Fourth Freedom would have to be quiet to avoid offending the fifth freedom: freedom to Love The One.
thirtypundit on October 16, 2008 at 9:25 PM
tax lien can also have to do with divorce or a problem with a will, any time there is a change of ownership and a disagreement with who owes what taxes.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 9:30 PM
Here’s the issue…Small businesses making $250,000 a year. Senator Obama is incredibly stupid to start talking about who is or is not making $250,000k a year. Seriously…What is a Senator’s salary? How much does a VP of Community Relations for a hospital make? Now, how much did Sen. Obama and family report as their income last year?
There are 662,000 “small businesses” employing from “1-500″ employees that make over $250,000 a year. These are all types of businesses from plumbers to exporters to fabricators and manufacturers to e-businesses and book sellers. They employ over 4 million Americans. These are the companies that expand and create jobs. These are the backbone of the American economy.
How many plumbers Sen. Government? Obviously, none that Sen. Obama knows which is the whole point. For all his talk about knowing something about how to improve the economy with “trickle up” economics, he obviously doesn’t know a thing.
His economic policies are not about building the economy or jobs. His policies are simply about expanding the welfare class without putting more money into welfare (thus, destroying “welfare reform” which was high on everybody’s list in the 90’s), without telling people that is what he is doing and by by-passing any controls or limits by re-classifying an entire economic class as “needy”.
Senator Obama…now he thinks he knows how much each profession should make. What’s next? Along with minimum wage we get maximum wages set by the government? Now that is definitely Marxist.
Kat_Mo on October 16, 2008 at 9:34 PM
Actually, you just did, and only now do you bother to say it was ’sarcasm’. Or are you being sarcastic again?
Dark-Star on October 16, 2008 at 9:37 PM
Nixon did it…..
the point is the US government the last time we clutched the red flag from fear of paying the piper for overleveraging would throw you in jail for doing your job too efficiently and gaining an “unfair competitive advantage”…..
It took us about 40 years to even begin to overcome that level of intrusion to any degree…..
sven10077 on October 16, 2008 at 9:38 PM
Hey he chose to expose himself to this level of scrutiny by posting here at hotair to use his logic on Joe…..
sven10077 on October 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Professor Reynolds received an e-mail from a reader, which expresses everything we feel about this episode:
Oh yes. Joe the Plumber will be on my mind when early voting begins here in TX this coming Monday.
newton on October 16, 2008 at 9:39 PM
Many seem to miss the main lesson. It’s not the details of Joe’s life and work. It’s if you are not positive about the Obama, you had better lie of shut up from now on. Who would voice a counter opinion of the One now? Would it be worth it? Obama and Alinsky say no.
BL@KBIRD on October 16, 2008 at 9:45 PM
The MSM has done more investigations into Joe the Plumber in 24 hours than they’ve done on Barack Obama in two years.
AntonK on October 16, 2008 at 9:50 PM
Here’s another Joe the Plumber who doesn’t like Obama.
Go. Read. Now.
newton on October 16, 2008 at 9:55 PM
Dark-Star:
I was being sarcastic. I don’t give a damn if you believe me or not. Besides, I can’t make the guy do anything. I can not wreck his life, or cost him his job or any of that. It is not as if I am the Democratic nominee for President or something.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 9:59 PM
And by the way, in case you are too literal to get that, I was being sarcastic again.
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 10:00 PM
No…I think we all get it and I hope that in the upcoming days more and more Americans will get it as well as they witness how Obama and his minions in the Democratic Party and the media are attempting to destroy this man as an object lesson to all the rest of us. I hope and pray that this spells the beginning of the end for Barack Obama’s ambitions–but we need to redouble our efforts to defeat this would be tyrant.
Matt Helm on October 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Ok, I’ll play your game, troll.
Let’s see how I stack up against in your little “morality litmus test” above:
ME TOO: no arrests — tie
ME TOO: paid taxes on time — tie
ME TOO: never worked illegally — tie
ME: NO speeding tickets; YOU: a couple — I “win”
ME: BIOPHYSICIST, PHD FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO; YOU: engineer — hmmm, in the Obama-Biden world where academics matter, I believe I “win” that one (unless you want to double down on GPAs or something)
ME: married to a VP at a non-profit; YOU: married to a teacher — TIE? I must admit I don’t know how to “score” that one… I’m not sure why you brought it up unless Joe the Plumber is married to a Nazi Bank Robber or something… or was that just your way of letting us all know that at least one person loves you?
ME: Registered Republican; YOU: registered Independent — I believe I “win” that one (we’d have tied if you had at least had the gumption to pick a party, even Dem)
ME: Redskins fan; YOU: Steelers — Tie; face it, both our teams have seen better days, but at least mine is in a good conference
ME: I always follow the law; YOU: tend to follow the law — I win, but at least you were honest about your willingness to break the law
By my count, I “win.” Can I ask Obama a question about his tax policies?
ps: Your last statement “If my life were blown up in the press I don’t think anybody would care that much, it would be pretty boring” has one grain of truth. You are boring.
Y-not on October 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Exactly. My step-father was two liens against his restaurant because of a tenant who rented it from him to run. It’s taking him literally years to litigate it. I guess if there’s a side of the story like that though, it wouldn’t fit the media’s or the messiah’s plan.
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Joe the Plumber – just another silly rustbelter clinging, oh so bitterly, to the hope that he may someday prosper off his own hard work.
B. Obeyme will enlighten him.
innominatus on October 16, 2008 at 10:06 PM
Here may be the final word on the Joe the Plumber’s license issue.
Ohio’s License Requirements for Plumbers Allow Joe the Plumber to Work
Nelsa on October 16, 2008 at 10:09 PM
…thanks for the link…thanks a lot….
…Nixon wasn’t kidding…the majority has so far been silent…too busy trying to make ends meet to bolster the egos of the high and mighty….
…OK, it was Buchanan’s phrase, but go with it….
What can you expect from your “betters”, electorate? More onerous regulations in the workplace, unions elbowing in with official help, wealth redistribution if you actually make a few sheqels, and a slap in the mush if you dare step out of line…as only an army of buttoned-down, true-believing lawyers shooting for a corner office can deliver….
…ol’ Joe’s become a metaphor. I wonder if he’s aware of that…I’d bet that he doesn’t though…I’d bet that he feels rather like a target right now….
…God bless ‘im!
Puritan1648 on October 16, 2008 at 10:12 PM
I’m going to the next Obama rally anywhere near me, and I WILL get my question answered if I have to take a bull horn. “What’s wrong, Obama? Plumbers not cosmopolitan enough for you?”
Ronnie on October 16, 2008 at 10:12 PM
…in the light of today’s events, “Obeyme” is very apt. Kudos!
Puritan1648 on October 16, 2008 at 10:13 PM
I must say, I made my post in response to a “what kind of skeletons are in YOUR closet” question. I hadn’t intended it to be any kind of competition.
That said, a Redskins fan? Oh man, I’m sorry to hear that. My old roommate was a redskins fan. Hasn’t been the greatest time since Danny bought the team.
Steelers ain’t too bad these days though, and at 4-1 sit at second place in the AFC. I’ll take it.
e-pirate on October 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM
He’s supposed to be here in Cumberland County near Ft. Bragg this weekend. I’m making me a sign.
Obama Hates the Little Guy!!!
hawkdriver on October 16, 2008 at 10:17 PM
Snyder and Jones are both very useful case studies for why the NEA and Democrts are flawed in their analysis of “what’s wrong with the schoolz YO!?!”
sven10077 on October 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Love it!
newton on October 16, 2008 at 10:18 PM
Joe is wondering if his life would be better if he lived in Russia and dared to ask Putin a question.
econavenger on October 16, 2008 at 10:23 PM
They have only drawn more attention to themselves and their rapidity.
The fear and loathing of Sarah Palin was shocking, tactically foolish, and desperate.
But at least she was running for office.
This country has more than the economy to worry about, we’re quickly becoming a real life idiocracy.
On another note, it looks like the African Press might have been telling the truth about Michelle’s “white racist” phone call – that might be fun for a couple of days.
Dorvillian on October 16, 2008 at 10:26 PM
You ignorant douche. Had he refused to appear, they would have crucified him. It’s nice for you that the vile media has your silmebag candidates back and does most of the dirty work for him.
csdeven on October 16, 2008 at 10:26 PM
…where on the hot side of Hell do you live, that your babysitters have to be licensed?!
I’ve always lived where babysitters were the daughters of friends who wanted to make “a little money for college” (and usually went to the latest popular LP/CD/MP3 download).
…it must indeed take a village…to impoverish the unskilled for the benefit of the uptight….
Puritan1648 on October 16, 2008 at 10:27 PM
You squeezed out only one post afterwards, troll, so…mission accomplished: You disappeared from this thread like a popped pimple
classed the joint up real good………
Janos Hunyadi on October 16, 2008 at 10:30 PM
Obama’s most recent words mocking JTP aren’t innocent. He’s just a plumber like Sarah Palin was just a mayor, by order of The One. The message is clear for his followers and it matches the tone of all cult leaders who seek to turn their people against the dangerous outsiders who threaten to open the eyes of cult members. He wants them destroyed to protect the family and the cause.
The first rule of Obama Club is no one exposes Obama Club.
econavenger on October 16, 2008 at 10:31 PM
Heh…another small hole punched into the hull below ObamaTitanic’s waterline. And more water rushes in…
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 10:33 PM
…as an aside, I had a vague idea who Hunyadi was, but he’s featured as having “engaged” the forces of some Turkish sultan on this date on Wikipedia today…read up on him….
…good name…good name….
Puritan1648 on October 16, 2008 at 10:33 PM
Sarah Palin, I am not but wish I could be.
However, Joe the Plumber is just like me.
Lesson of this episode? Need to learn ‘doublespeak’ real quick if (big if) Obama and the left has stolen this election.
Sir Napsalot on October 16, 2008 at 10:38 PM
I completely agree that the media is stupid, focuses on completely pointless issues like Joe the Plumber, and should focus on things that do actually matter, including actually examinating the pasts of our candidates.
The truly sad and pathetic thing is that you seem incapable of understanding the important principles and problems of freedom of speech, conservative thought, and the fact that we have a presidential candidate that sends thugs out, much as yourself to destroy anyone that dares to question such a thing.
On that topic, I wonder where the heck mr “chill winds” Robbins is, and speaking out for the right of Joe to ask questions of anyone. .including The One.
Noelie on October 16, 2008 at 11:12 PM
Liberals show themselves to be the demon-possessed children that they are yet again.
I know I have the safety of anonymity here, and that people can be all bark and no bite, but at this point I would welcome leftists dismantling my life in order to spill some dirt on Obama if I had any.
Screw ‘em!
Grafted on October 16, 2008 at 11:17 PM
Could Obama’s encounter with Joe the Plumber Obama be the 2008 equivalent of Thomas Dewey’s insult of the train engineer from the 1948 election?
PackerBronco on October 16, 2008 at 11:18 PM
Could Obama’s encounter with Joe the Plumber be the 2008 equivalent of Thomas Dewey’s insult of the train engineer from the 1948 election?
PackerBronco on October 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM
I really love the way e pirate jumps right on board in every post attacking the guy and not what he asked Obama, not what Obama said…That is the typical Liberal Toilet Bug plan of action..
Hey, this guy is saying something that just kicks my pathetic view of things right in the twat…I’ve got nothing…oh wait…
Nice effort dick head….
BigWyo on October 16, 2008 at 11:21 PM
That is small business 101. Income – expenses (worker payroll is a big part of expenses) = profit.
Profit – reinvestments = owners salary (highly simplified)
Why am I not surprised that Obama does not know that.
F15Mech on October 16, 2008 at 11:21 PM
PackerBronco on October 16, 2008 at 11:19 PM
Yes and yes.
innominatus on October 16, 2008 at 11:22 PM
Yes. *Paging George Santayana…please call the front desk*
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 11:28 PM
So was Vlad Dracul…he impaled the bastards by the thousands. To this day, he is still regarded as the Hero of Wallachia.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 11:30 PM
As long as Obama stays ahead in the polls, the braindead nutroots will not stop this behavior.
Speedwagon82 on October 16, 2008 at 11:34 PM
I get a kick out of the “he didn’t pay taxes”, when you have no idea.
Think, he could have paid taxes, but still owed some and did not pay that amount.
At the end of the year it is not uncommon to have paid a huge amount of taxes, but still owe some.
Why don’t you just focus on what he did…ask a question, and Obama answered it. It is on tape. Obama wants to redistribute money from one group and give to another.
If you rob Peter to pay Paul…Paul never complains.
right2bright on October 16, 2008 at 11:38 PM
I just find it weird the dems are complaining Joe’s a plant when they snuck a couple of them into the debates for the GOP primaries. (But I guess that doesn’t count does it?)
Dave_d on October 17, 2008 at 12:12 AM
If conservatives were ever to mount such an attack on a single person just for a chance encounter with their candidate the left would be the first to scream about the chilling effect on free speech.
CommentGuy on October 17, 2008 at 12:13 AM
The main point to be learned from this event (as if we didn’t know it) is that the left are terrorists at heart. They will look to harm the softest target that they can find, with the most tenuous connections to their true enemy, and they will attack that target ruthlessly. It doesn’t matter if the target is a child or an innocent bystander or anything. The left acknowledges no Geneva Conventions, no Law of Reciprocity, no nothing governing their political battles. For them, the more emotional havoc they can wreak on the most defenseless and those caught off-guard, the better. They dream of days when they can move beyond emotions. This is why they are not bothered by Ayres or Wright or any of the other lunatics that BHO spent his life hanging around. They think it’s cool to hurt uninvolved people and admire these whackjobs for being so strident and unapologetic in their hate of all things American.
progressoverpeace on October 17, 2008 at 12:23 AM
Where’s Vic Mackey to help this guy out?
benrand on October 17, 2008 at 12:29 AM
Hey Joe, just remember this and you’ll be fine:
“Semper ubi, sub ubi.”
It’s actually good advice for all plumbers:
.
.
It’s Latin for
“Always wear underwear.”
NightmareOnKStreet on October 17, 2008 at 1:30 AM
Dude. Go back to World of Warcraft. This is a political site.
fossten on October 17, 2008 at 1:34 AM
Okay… K. Daniel Glover….not Danny Glover.
That Danny is a commie.
Black Adam on October 17, 2008 at 1:41 AM
This looks like that Hollywood movie where a smalltown guy gets a lottery and the media circus eats him alive.
promachus on October 17, 2008 at 2:15 AM
I’m calling the Common Pleas Court in Toledo tomorrow morning and paying Joe’s tax lien.
Sapwolf on October 17, 2008 at 3:03 AM
Now that Joe the Plumber is fair game, can we PLEASE now look into Ayers, Wrigth, Pfleger, Rezko and rest?
gmoonster on October 17, 2008 at 3:32 AM
Wow. That’s just amazing. Thank you.
LegendHasIt on October 17, 2008 at 3:33 AM
How ’bout it? Wright and Pfleger are largely comic relief at this point, though I’ve always thought Wright demonstrated Obama’s profound lack of character. If Obama were such a fine American, why didn’t he get in Wright’s grill years ago? Answer: Obama needed the springboard. So, he clammed up and allowed Wright to sow hate and bitter resentment in 8,000 people a weekend for 20 years (estimated). Nice.
McCain keeps blowing the Ayers angle–he has to tee off on their waste of $161 million trying to improve Chicago schools through Ayers radical “community organizing” nonsense. Middle America, after what it’s been through lately, isn’t inclined to let Obama run around sending tax dollars to Acorn (as we still are), Planned Parenthood, the UN (the Global Poverty Act), and other far-left nuttiness.
BuckeyeSam on October 17, 2008 at 3:58 AM
FWIW: here’s the Lucas County (Ohio) Web page:
http://www.co.lucas.oh.us/
Here’s the Web page for the recorder’s office, which deals with liens on real property.
http://www.co.lucas.oh.us/default.asp?RequestedAlias=Recorder
I’d call there (see number along the right) and ask about the procedure for paying off a tax lien. I’m betting that you’ll be referred to the auditor’s office, which usually handles money matters in Ohio counties. Here’s the Web page for the auditor’s office:
http://www.co.lucas.oh.us/default.asp?RequestedAlias=Auditor
The reason I mention both the recorder’s office and the auditor’s office is that the payment functions and real-property recording functions are separate tasks, one office handling one function (payments) and another office handling a second function (recording).
Payment is one thing, and you’re generous for doing so. But making sure that something is recorded to reflect that the lien has been paid is also important. Don’t assume by making payment (in whatever manner the auditor’s office will allow) that the auditor’s office will automatically remove the lien in the recorder’s office real property records.
Be sure to ask the auditor’s office what, if anything, needs to be filed (recorded) in the recorder’s office so that the real property records reflect that the lien has been paid. The auditor’s office may have a simple Release of Lien form that it fills out. Again, don’t assume that the auditor’s office will walk it over to the recorder’s office. You may want to instruct the auditor’s office to mail the document to Joe the Plumber with instructions to file (record) it in the recorder’s office.
Recorder’s offices usually charge a small recording fee. In Lucas County, it appears to be $4, but it depends on what kind of lien is being released. Here’s the applicable schedule.
http://www.co.lucas.oh.us/recorder/Schedule_Of_Fees.pdf
Good luck. You’re very generous.
BuckeyeSam on October 17, 2008 at 4:41 AM
Ed, I’ll take your words seriously and assume you did not intend to apply sarcasm here.
THIS was the “game changer.” THAT’S why it won’t “go away.”
NOT the debate, NOT an Obama or McCain ad, just plain old American life as it happens in its wonderfully chaotic, unpredictable way.
You and the rest of the (don’t know what moniker yous guyz properly go by, but) “alternative” media need to HANG THIS ON OBAMA’S THUGGERY. No, not directly on Obama, but on his intolerance, arrogance, extremism, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
Toledo’s thugs are just riding the Obama Bandwagon. THEY are the criminals here, not some fellow who doesn’t have a plumbing license or has minimal liens (as does Obama’s treasurer, not that anyopne of import cares about that…ahem). But it is that Bandwagon riding into town that will soon be threatening each of us if we do not act now as each of us can.
PLEASE, Ed and Company – hang this on Obama, from here to election day. MAKE THIS THE HORSE HE RIDES OUT OF TOWN ON.
Lockstein13 on October 17, 2008 at 4:44 AM
I just had HA eat a post of explanation. I’m not going to rewrite it, but I’ll shorthand it. You’ll likely have to deal with two departments: the auditor’s office and the recorder’s office. Don’t assume anything.
Here’s the auditor’s Web page for Lucas County, Ohio:
http://www.co.lucas.oh.us/default.asp?RequestedAlias=Auditor
The phone number is along the right; the auditor looks pretty hot.
Here’s the recorder’s Web page for Lucas County, Ohio:
http://www.co.lucas.oh.us/default.asp?RequestedAlias=Recorder
The phone number is along the right; the auditor does NOT look hot.
Call the auditor’s office and ask about the procedure for paying of a tax lien. Make sure to ask what may need to be filed in the recorder’s office to reflect in the real property records that the lien has been paid. Again, don’t assume one office works with the other. Because you’re a third party, I suspect you’ll need to request that the document that needs to be filed should be mailed to Joe the Plumber with instructions to file the document. Payment will be certain in the auditor’s office. It’s just that you need to make sure that the real property records reflect the payment and release of the tax lien, which necessitates the filing.
Good luck. You’re very kind.
BuckeyeSam on October 17, 2008 at 4:57 AM
Just One Question
Kini on October 17, 2008 at 5:58 AM
Sapwolf on October 17, 2008 at 3:03 AM
Set something up so we can help, please.
Cindy Munford on October 17, 2008 at 7:21 AM
I picked up on the sarcasm immediately. I image that most here did.
MarkTheGreat on October 17, 2008 at 7:23 AM
What gets me is that I grew up in the Buffalo suburbs with family in the city that lived in the older middle-class neighborhoods we would define as ‘poor’. You know, the ones a block from a factory? Just down the road from another one, with an old-line warehouse area within 5 minutes walking distance. My neighborhood was within a mile of the city line, and folks like Joe the Plumber were all over the place. Carpenters, electricians, plumbers… all hating the unions, hating the dues, hating the bureaucracy and just wanting to do GOOD WORK for a living. They often complained how the ‘code’ was set up to favor certain suppliers because of political favors… how unions forced their way in to favor the union leadership and make things worse for the guy on the shop floor. Do I have a problem with those ’standards’?
Hell, yes.
They are pure, political BS from the start, made to empower unions and punish workers and I’ve seen people in my family with nearly 15 years on the job get busted back because of some political nepotism in the union…not for their work, not for showing up on time, not for being late. No, just for not having political connections and be in the way of some nepotism going on to land a cushy job for someone who never did the work, never did the time and grafted their way up the ladder.
It was no wonder that the number of small shops, self-owned with maybe four or five guys working in it proliferated all over the place, and the politicians tried to set up the ‘code’ and ’standards’ to keep them from working and to give government money to ‘get licensed’. If you needed work done the question wasn’t ‘are they licensed?’. Nope. It was: can they do the job well at the price they give?
Under the table was just fine, thankyouverymuch.
That was the ‘word of mouth community’ so that if you didn’t need high-profile work done, you could get someone experienced, capable, trusted by your friends and family and get the damned work DONE WELL at a GOOD PRICE. These people didn’t need the BBB as, if they screwed up, everyone would know about it pretty damned quickly. They had the best credentials possible: they did good work for your friends and neighbors. Often they *were* your friends and neighbors, given the way the job situation was back in the ’70s.
Joe the Plumber was asked to ask a question: he did as is the right of any American.
Politicians make hay with it… so what?
He is asked to go on GMA, shrugs his shoulders and basically says ‘why the hell not, its a FREE COUNTRY, they want my opinion I will give it to them’. Note which part of the ‘limelight’ goes into that kind of thinking.
Zip.
I do not put ideas nor words into his mouth, he is doing what any citizen has the liberty to do and the right to do, and he is not running for political office, but trying to get a leg up in the world and ’spread the wealth around’ the old-fashioned way by growing a business to HIRE PEOPLE.
Heaven forbid he do so without some Leftist’s approval. That he has a tax lien that he may not be aware of because no one told him, or that the damned tax code is so complicated that a common citizen can’t figure it out easily if at all. That is creating a ‘code’ that only the elite can live by because they can hire lawyers and accountants and PR people to front for them and do the work they are forcing on ordinary Americans who do NOT have those resources.
I’ve got folks just like Joe the Plumber in my FAMILY in the construction and trucking industry, in the machine tools shop of a moderately small company, working in industrial facilities making parts for conveyor belts. Not glamorous jobs, not high paying jobs, not seeking any limelight, and figuring that if they ask a question they will not have their INTEGRITY QUESTIONED.
Yeah, I got a problem with the MSM and the Elites in this, and it is HUGE. If the working middle class can get hammered for a simple question, god help the working poor who have similar questions about why they bring home so little and government can’t even do the basics well and squanders their money. No ‘rebate’ at the end of the year helps when weekly deductions go out of your paycheck… paycheck to paycheck living doesn’t work that way. ‘Net effect’ effectively screws you over to get the ‘net effect’ because you can’t get it every week… doesn’t help to starve for 51 weeks and get minor feast on the 52nd.
When the MSM demonstrates as much inquisitiveness into the lives of the high and mighty in politics, journalism, banking, international finance, organized crime and the mover and shakers in business and industry, then you can start at the next rung down… which still doesn’t get you to Joe the Plumber. Until then, take all rationalizations and put them deep and dark into some recess and wall them up for a few centuries. The MSM no longer ‘afflicts the comfortable’ nor does it ‘comfort the afflicted’ – it does just the opposite. And those who help it are authoritarian and elitist in doing so and seeking to diminish the common man in the face of over-educated, under-knowledgeable Elites.
ajacksonian on October 17, 2008 at 7:24 AM
And you wonder why these guys want to eliminate secret ballots for unionization drives.
MarkTheGreat on October 17, 2008 at 7:25 AM
Stay strong, Joe, just like Sarah Palin. Don’t let the b*****ds get you down. In a real world, the MSM would have investigated the background of the man you asked the question of, but consider yourself a martyr in the case of the false messiah.
No one gets away with challenging the messiah. Neil Cavuto had a wonderful Common Sense last night about the One himself and Fox News part of which reads:
“…Blasting those who simply challenge you — challenge you on numbers that don’t add up and programs whose costs don’t measure up.” “You clearly relish a media that fawns over you, but does that mean getting childishly pricklish when some refuse to?”
The whole piece is so spot-on:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,439462,00.html
deedledee on October 17, 2008 at 7:26 AM
why is it that a man who is thinking about buying a small company be brought forth? THIS IN FACT IS THE GUY WHO IS behind!
obama answer? well if you start a business or invest your money and time i will tax you so much that you will quit.
obama answered his question. joe has to stay just wehere he is so that the government can ensure that he is behind !!
TomLawler on October 17, 2008 at 7:32 AM
Joe,
You vill kom mit us.
The Obama Gestapo
dhimwit on October 17, 2008 at 8:40 AM
Thanks, Joe!
You’ve helped expose what an Obama administration would have looked like had he been elected.
We Shall Not Be Bullied!
misslizzi on October 17, 2008 at 8:59 AM
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