Good news: Toledo moves to shut down Joe the Plumber
posted at 6:27 pm on October 16, 2008 by Allahpundit
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Look on the bright side. The media’s finally starting to vet acquaintances of Barack Obama.
Wurzelbacher registered as an apprentice with the Ohio State Apprenticeship Council in November 2003, according to Dennis Evans, spokesman with the Department of Job and Family Services. Records show his training, which was sponsored by A & W Newell Co. of Toledo, should have been wrapped last year.
“We don’t have a record of completion,” Evans said. “All we know is that he registered in the program and has gone through to the point where we should have record of completion, but we don’t.”
And that’s not the only record that’s missing from Wurzelbacher’s file. He doesn’t have a plumbing license required by the city of Toledo to practice, according to a staffer with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection. Wurzelbacher, who now works for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., said the owner, Al Newell, has a plumbing license and that “because he works for someone else, he doesn’t need a license.”
But even that’s not true, according to the Toledo Division of Building Inspection. Wurzelbacher can’t legally do plumbing work without a license, regardless of his boss’s certification.
A staff person with the Toledo Division of Building Inspection told On Call this afternoon that her division will contact Wurzelbacher to notify him that he can’t work without a license.
“We’re trying to track him down,” she said.
Also revealed: His boss’s business probably doesn’t bring in anywhere near $250,000 a year so he should stop dreaming about turning it into one that does and what that might mean for his taxes. Which should be easy enough; he’ll probably be out of work soon anyway. Should have known better than to ask a media darling a tough question before your affairs were in order, Joe. Exit question: The law’s the law and it is, after all, his own fault for not having the papers he needs. If, say, an illegal alien had asked McCain a tough question and some righty media source responded by bringing his status to light, would the left feel the same way?
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Hey JOE please set up your own blog or like someone said ab ove get Rush to set up a fund!
I WILL SEND JOE MORE MONEY THAN THE 0BOMBER HAS SENT HIS BROTHER IN KENYA!
dhunter on October 16, 2008 at 7:16 PM
for=from
Sultry Beauty on October 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Obama IS NOT going to
use socialist dogma torule the country.Fixed your fix, Nell.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Anonymity is a wonderful thing. That’s all I’m saying. Youtube account set to a generic e-mail account, and a campaign that begins from it would be hard to trace. Let em run in circles over that, the bastards.
Regardless, we SHOULD be picking fights with these people, because we HAVE the means to get our message out.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Emphasis added.
Kind of hard for the guy to be licensed when he hasn’t quite made this requirement. Looks like he’s eligible in a few weeks. Not that you’ll hear this distinction from anyone attacking him.
OldManC on October 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM
Biggest lie ever told:
“We’re from the government and we are here to help.”
Elizabetty on October 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Exit question: The law’s the law and it is, after all, his own fault for not having the papers he needs.
You were all over with self righteous indignation that Ramos and Campean were sent to jail for breaking the law. And now you want to play the Law & Order card against Joe the Plumber?
This is insane.
blogRot on October 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM
I knew you’ld do that. Dang
kareyk on October 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Last bump-up of this suggestion before I leave the office for the night.
DO IT FOR JOE! :(
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 16, 2008 at 7:18 PM
Great Top 10 Upcoming Joe the Plumber Smears at FightThePalinSmears
faraway on October 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM
I totally agree.
Glynn on October 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Brings back memories of a blind date a so-called friend arranged for me in the early 80s.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM
ACORN’s out basically printing fraudulent voter registrations by the hundreds of thousands so I guess now’s the time to step up enforcement of plumbing license requirements.
Purple Fury on October 16, 2008 at 7:19 PM
Remind me never to make you mad at me.
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on October 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM
I’m mad, real mad. I will contribute if there is a fund to help Joe. I hope the backlash against the MSM and Obama will be severe.
Birdseye on October 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM
So the government is saying he can’t do his job because of a permit? Another nail for big government, How regulation stops people from doing business
unseen on October 16, 2008 at 7:20 PM
Disgusting. If you so much as ask a question that elicits a crappy answer from His Holiness, prepare to be slimed, smeared, and destroyed in every way possible. How completely despicable.
Obama is serving as creepy Messiah for an army of ruthless lunatic acolytes. I already knew that he hated my 2nd Amendment rights. Nice of him to let me know in advance that he’s “concerned” about my 1st Amendment rights as well.
Beatnik Joe on October 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM
This is so pathetic — fine, the guy doesn’t have a license, what the hell does that have to do with the policies that Obama is espousing? That’s the point after all.
Keep in mind that Obama approached this guy — not the other way around.
Richard Romano on October 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM
And I knew that you would know.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:21 PM
Second biggest. The first involves men and women. I’ll leave it at that.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:23 PM
Don’t worry. Only liberals, trolls, and AP ever make me angry. ;~P
Sultry Beauty on October 16, 2008 at 7:23 PM
My point exactly. Again,here are Ohio’s rules for licensing Plumbers:
LICENSE QUALIFICATION PROCESS
The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) pass the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees.
I believe that Joe said that he had been working as a plumber for many years….
Nelsa on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM
No. That was the point. It was sarcasm. In case you’re new, Allah sometimes employs it.
MadisonConservative on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Save some outrage for later.
The odds are probably pretty good that Joe gets named worst person in the world tonight…
rw on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM
For which we are all very grateful :D
VERY nice writing by the way. Well done. :)
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM
The MSM better wise-up. Obama = Bad Economy = Less Ad Dollars.
marklmail on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM
The LIBERAL BROWNSHIRTS will try and destroy you if you dare question the Obamessiah or any liberal pol for that matter. I heard on ABC radio new that Joe might have some back taxes…it’s pathetic that they are trying to dig stuff up to discredit this guy for asking a question. It should stand a a great example of how dangerous these stalinistas are. If you are working or fundraising for a conservative candidate that is doing damage be aware that you could become a target. I’ve experienced it this election cycle and it only makes me fight them harder.
DCJeff on October 16, 2008 at 7:25 PM
Whew…
*wiping sweat from forehead*
Over.
1GooDDaDDy on October 16, 2008 at 7:25 PM
The MSM better wise-up.
marklmail on October 16, 2008 at 7:24 PM
Don’t hold your breath.
kareyk on October 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM
The sad thing is, this is not something that came out of nowhere and manifested itself in Obama. This is the logical evolution of where the left has been taking us for decades. And like the proverbial frog we have been sitting in the pot while the heat has gradually been turned up.
Yes, the task at hand is to defeat Obama, but once it is done, we must all work harder at getting ourselves, and our institutions out of the pot. Because if we don’t, next election will be even harder, and more dangerous. And sooner or latter we will reach the point of no return and, as they say over at AoSHQ, we’ll be ah…cooked.
neuquenguy on October 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Alright folks, I’m out – love ya all (’cept the trolls), have a good evening.
SAVE THE PLUMBER, SAVE THE WORLD!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Isn’t it normal for apprentices or journeymen or whatever to do work under the license of their boss? I don’t think this article is entirely accurate.
forest on October 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM
OH has time to look into 1 plumber; but can’t manage to check out hundreds of thousands of fraudulent ballots.
Glad we have our priorities straight.
lorien1973 on October 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM
This is insane. I understood he didn’t have to be licensed to do residential work. And the beef about the business not making $250K. So WHAT??? Maybe god forbid he wants it to reach those heights?
These libs never let up, do they?
changer1701 on October 16, 2008 at 7:27 PM
Also coming soon, a CBS or NYT or CBS/NYT or CNN/WAPO/NBC/NYT/LAT/FDR/IRT/LSD poll showing that INDEPENDENTS overwhelmingly think Joe’s new problems are McCain’s fault.
CK MacLeod on October 16, 2008 at 7:28 PM
Alan W. Newell is licensed. I say again, Alan W. Newell is licensed. I just downloaded the list of licensed plumbers in that county.
So the source of the story is incorrect on at least one important point.
I will post something to this effect with links at STACLU
CourtZero on October 16, 2008 at 7:28 PM
CK MacLeod on October 16, 2008 at 7:28 PM
That would be Bush’s fault.
kareyk on October 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Calm down — I’m on your side here! The point I was trying to make was that Obama has lied time and again about a multitude of things, from his relationships to what he’s done as a politician. The MSM can’t or won’t lift a finger to check Obama’s facts yet this average guy from main street America gets more scrutiny in a 24 hour span than a presidential candidate who’s been campaigning for almost 2 years! It’s very troubling that Obama is very close to being elected and most people can’t get past the pretty face and platitudes that eminate from the so-called “messiah”.
I hope Joe finds the success he wants and seems willing to work for. As someone said before, I am “Joe the plumber”.
whtabtbill on October 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Actually, Reagan for the trifecta.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:29 PM
Ah yes, Bathtub Boy WON’T dissapoint us I’m sure.
omnipotent on October 16, 2008 at 7:30 PM
I’m glad this discussion is all about Joe and not what Obama actually said. Media, clearly, has misplaced priorities. Not that i’d accuse them of bias or anything. But hey.
lorien1973 on October 16, 2008 at 7:30 PM
HAA! Bathtub Boy and the Plumber.
marklmail on October 16, 2008 at 7:31 PM
Obama still wants to take someone’s money and give it to someone else. Indeed, he wants to give $845 billion to the UN under his Global Poverty Act.
I’d probably “benefit” from Obama’s “tax cut,” but I’m not entitled to it. Besides, little else (if anything) of his agenda appeals to me. And would rather die than support a candidate who’s associated with Acorn and those despicable people who have smeared Palin and her family and now Joe the Plumber.
This is why his time with Ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is critical. When given other people’s money, Obama devotes it to cockamamie purposes thinking that he knows better.
Screw him.
BuckeyeSam on October 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM
I just heard Obama mocking Joe and his crowd laughing. Unbelievable.
CanadianGuy on October 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM
It took me a while to pick up on the sarcasm. AP can be awfully cavalier.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 16, 2008 at 7:32 PM
So..
Question Obama. Want low taxes and live the american dream..
Government goons come after you.
Don’t pay your mortgage. Take welfare checks. Get food stamps.
Government goons give you money.
I see how it works.
lorien1973 on October 16, 2008 at 7:33 PM
Yup. Just as I figured. A video of this will come out shortly and go viral.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:34 PM
You compare this guy with an invader of our country?
Shame on you!
DwnSouthJukin on October 16, 2008 at 7:35 PM
McCain should consider an ad about the heavy-handed way that Obama responds to any criticism. This is ridiculous. Middle America needs to understand the level of vindictiveness that they are about to embrace.
BuckeyeSam on October 16, 2008 at 7:35 PM
I am “Joe the Plumber”
theblacksheepwasright on October 16, 2008 at 7:36 PM
Oh, and here’s another bumpersticker/shirt idea:
Joe the Plumber:
Convicted of asking Obama tough questions without a license.
TheUnrepentantGeek on October 16, 2008 at 7:36 PM
I hate the media!
Cindy Munford on October 16, 2008 at 7:37 PM
I don’t know about Ohio, but in Florida what Joe said would be absolutely correct. If you’re working under a journeyman or master who has the ticket, then you don’t need one yourself.
If every plumber and electrician in FL had to be licensed, nothing would get built.
City licenses are crap. Just a way to collect a fee from anyone who wants to do business there.
Purple Avenger on October 16, 2008 at 7:38 PM
As JOHN McCain said…we’ve got these libs right where we want them. How stupid for them to try to demean and humiliate us. We are the backbone of this nation…we work the farms and the factories and fight the wars. Stand up Joe, stand up Sarah, stand up John…
SENATOR GOVERNMENT…MEET JOE THE PLUMBER…MEET US.
gracie on October 16, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Hey Allah the story isn’t about JOE it is about Obama and his marxist/socialist comments. Try reporting on the story not a witchhunt. I could care less if Joe was a homeless man with dreams of making it bog one day. Thanks to Obama that homeless man will forever live his live poor. That is wahat marxism and socialism does to people. Obama is running for the whitehouse not Joe. The MSM did the same crap with GOv. Palin and you aided and abetted them all the way. Don’t be stuck on stupid again.
unseen on October 16, 2008 at 7:38 PM
It sounds like the Newell company forgot to file the paperwork to close out Joe’s apprenticeship and allow him to get the plumber’s license.
What’s scary is that Toledo’s plumbers’ union views him as a scab.
Watch your back, Joe, watch your back.
unclesmrgol on October 16, 2008 at 7:38 PM
Please tell me you’re joking. The man is told during his interview for the job that perhaps he would sell him the business in the future perhaps because he just doesnt have it in him anymore. This Joe Plumber sees the potential for the business and where the company lacks as far as marketing and being under-capitalized and you tell him to just fa-get-about-it?
The attitude Joe Plumber takes is what made this country what it is.
broker1 on October 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM
Every toilet joe ever fixed is suddenly going to be broken cuz of the lack of proper licensing!
lorien1973 on October 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM
The first American to lose his job under the Obama Administration. We can all look forward to the witch hunts that begin as soon as the Marxist gets into office.
petunia on October 16, 2008 at 7:39 PM
THE ISSUE IS WHETHER HE HAS THE RIGHT TO ASK THE QUESTION THAT HE DID, AND THE RESPONSE FROM THE TRAITOROUS SOCIALIST.
trainwife1962 on October 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Here ya go: http://www.cafepress.com/politicsexposed
DCJeff on October 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM
I want to see the dumbass panel of Bill Kristol, SourKraut, Juan Williams, and Luntz Duntzs’ today saying Senator Goberment won the debate.
Seems that just when we are getting down the Jet Jockey gives us a real American to take on the effete elites and boost our morale.
PALIN/PLUMBER 2012
Can I get a bumper sticker or T-Shirt or even a yard sign?
dhunter on October 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM
Screw this, we need to get more information out to the masses about Senator Government’s actual work in Chicago on CAC, Woods Fund, and follow the connections and the money.
Most of us here know at least some of the slimy and downright radical connections, but as of yet it is not being distributed widely enough.
The whole picture needs to be painted including Rezko, Ayers, Wright, CAC, Woods Fund, and especially the various groups that were funded under Senator Government’s direction.
Of course this will lead to screams of Raaaacism, but arent’t we already there? It is time to illuminate this myth of a man for who he really is and what he has worked for in his journey toward Sainthood.
hillbillyjim on October 16, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Laughing at us, huh Obama.???..This is right up there with “lipstick on a pig”…We will beat you on Nov 4th.
SENATOR GOVERNMENT…MEET JOE THE PLUMBER
gracie on October 16, 2008 at 7:41 PM
Soon when Obama enters the scene, we hear the Imperial March
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVT_2XVEwCo&feature=related
mindhacker on October 16, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Ewwww… Nicely played…
Obamas JOBS creation in action!
Romeo13 on October 16, 2008 at 7:42 PM
DCJeff on October 16, 2008 at 7:40 PM
The Marx Brothers! rotfl
kareyk on October 16, 2008 at 7:42 PM
Plumber Joe seems like a sharp dude. He’s going to turn this into big money.
t.ferg on October 16, 2008 at 7:43 PM
People cans till identify with this guy,,, Joe is far from destroyed here, Joe has the media. Joe needs to just stay cool and keep speakin the way it is.
What did he do?? He can just say all he had was a dream. He had a dream of something better. He wanted to start a business and he looked down the road and could see how much more difficult it would be if Obama were president.
This is an average guy who has a dream of something better,, and he thought he was still living in America. He had an opportunity to ask Obama why he wanted to take tax his dream,,, and his life changed after that. So what? He said he was a plumber and some of his papers weren’t in complete order,, so what? he was just asking a question and the Obama Truth Squad shot into action! He’s a victim!
This man is a victim!!
JellyToast on October 16, 2008 at 7:43 PM
Lou Dobbs is talking about Joe
faraway on October 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM
An ordinary guy, the kind of guy the Democrat party is supposed to be all about dares to ask the exulted one a couple of questions and every left apologizing media outlet vets an American citizen not even running for office like a proctologist would.
Now the Democrat blogs are trashing this everyday person like they have Gov. Palin.
Guess that’ll teach this guy or anybody else that dares to speak.
But let a Chicago uber liberal politician show up with a blank resume and he can run all the way through an election and become Pres. and the media vetting process includes a smiley face and even things that would completely disqualify a Republican, barely scratch the media surface.
Stay classy you hypocrites, stay classy.
Speakup on October 16, 2008 at 7:46 PM
Scene: Joe the Plumber in a seedy part of town. On the street corner, a guy in an overcoat approaches Joe the Plumber. The guy opens his overcoat and says< “Say, man<
, wanna buy a plumber’s license.?”
FishFearMe on October 16, 2008 at 7:47 PM
Are they sure he was not classified as a plumbers helper? In states that have this designation and as long as the person is working for a licensed plumber, he/she does not need a license. In any case, our friendly Democratic friends of everyman seem to have taken this man’s livlihood. The Ohio pols should be raising Cain about this. Are they?
jeanie on October 16, 2008 at 7:47 PM
That video should be shown in every corner of this country. Where’s that darned video?
newton on October 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
Late to the “game” here. Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t it a plumber’s convention that brought Nixon down?
Rovin on October 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
I’ll be interested to see how this plays out, because I suspect this isn’t an entirely accurate report.
They talk about him being an apprentice… When you’re an apprentice, you still do the same work (for the most part), because you need a certain number of hours and classes completed before you can take a test and get licensed… at least that’s how it worked for my brother who is an electrician. For the first 4 years, he was an apprentice. He pretty much did the same stuff, and took classes a couple nights a week. Then he took the test to become a licensed (journeyman) electrician. Then after 2 years of being a licensed electrician (and working in that capacity) he was able to take the Master Electrician test.
Now, I suspect the details, classes, time periods, may be different in different states and for different trades… But from the report it sounds like he works for a plumbing company, as would any apprentice, but isn’t licensed because he hasn’t completed the necessary requirements yet, or possibly just hasn’t taken the test.
I don’t know, but that report just sounds inaccurate to say that he can’t work unless he’s licensed. How the hell does anyone ever get the apprentice program complete if they can’t work before being licensed?
RightWinged on October 16, 2008 at 7:48 PM
They should, but the OH pols and the bureaucracy are in cahoots with Obama, as you have seen today.
newton on October 16, 2008 at 7:49 PM
Might be time for Rush to hold a bake sale for JtP.
Physics Geek on October 16, 2008 at 7:49 PM
VERY late. Beat you to it several threads ago.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 7:49 PM
You asked for it you got it
faraway on October 16, 2008 at 7:53 PM
no response from the astro-turfer–or from this turd
who agrees “exactly” with his fellow POS. These two are the tools that thug-scum like Obama use.
Janos Hunyadi on October 16, 2008 at 7:55 PM
Weak. I hope there is more.
lorien1973 on October 16, 2008 at 7:55 PM
I imagine the Obama campaign is catching on by now that this could be a killer and are busy scrubbing. If someone has the video better put it somewhere safe. Obamagoons will be working hard to defuse this.
neuquenguy on October 16, 2008 at 7:56 PM
faraway on October 16, 2008 at 7:53 PM
Thanks for the vid. What an arrogant peice of sh*t, douche bag , pr*ck! I hope he goes down in flames.
kareyk on October 16, 2008 at 7:57 PM
How many community organizers do you know makin a couple hunderd thou a year and livin in a millon dolla house?
Senator Goberment
dhunter on October 16, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Why the hell can’t they just leave the man the hell alone?
Terrye on October 16, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Where’s Baldilocks? She has the ability to start a fund and I think we should do so and pitch in for Joe the Plumber.
This guy is awesome.
I loathe the media.
Hey Media, go to hell.
carbon_footprint on October 16, 2008 at 8:00 PM
Hey! Why isn’t this on HotAir yet?? Drudge is reporting in big red letters “Gallup shock poll,, Obama leading 49-47 within margin of error!’
http://www.drudgereport.com/
JellyToast on October 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM
It’ll be more like the Titanic, insofar as he’s already struck the iceberg. In that case, let’s celebrate!
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM
dhunter on October 16, 2008 at 7:57 PM
Jesse Jackson
Al sharpton
Barack Obama
Joe Lewis
MLK Jr
Maxine walters
Michelle Obama
to name a few
unseen on October 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM
The disdain is dripping from the word plumber. The fact is, I believe Joe said he wanted to buy a business and hoped to be in the $250,000 bracket and that Obama’s tax plan would greatly hurt him. He was talking about a business making that much money, not him alone. That just proves that he does not listen and it also proves what an elitist he is.
Glynn on October 16, 2008 at 8:02 PM
Wow…wonder when people like Joe will just be disappeared, like good ole Mother Russia. I think this incident deserves a rousing chorus of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvxiG56M-eU
Sing, Komrades, sing!
ihasurnominashun on October 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Hey! Why isn’t this on HotAir yet?? Drudge is reporting in big red letters “Gallup shock poll,, Obama leading 49-47 within margin of error!’
http://www.drudgereport.com/
JellyToast on October 16, 2008 at 8:01 PM
Because ALLah being allah posted it under a very different title:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/16/polls-mccain-gains-among-likely-voters-in-both-gallup-and-rasmussen/
We can’t be blasting good news…nooooo we have to hide it from the folks.
unseen on October 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
We’re still going to need enough votes to cover the hundreds of thousands of fraudulent that ACORN will be delivering.
JellyToast on October 16, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Allah is waiting for the latest CBS/NY Times poll that has Obama in the lead with a fully locked 87%. That one should be out tomorrow AM.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 8:04 PM
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