Debate: Did Bob Schieffer demonstrate bias?
posted at 1:00 pm on October 16, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
No presidential debate analysis is complete without judging the moderation. Bob Schieffer of CBS moderated the debate last night and appeared to do well, at least in getting the two men to argue with each other. There did not appear to be any significant time differentials or “last word” issues. In fact, the only time I thought about Schieffer’s peformance last night was when he asked about abortion — a topic inexplicably avoided by the three previous debate moderators.
In the previous debates, the bias demonstrated itself in the questions. According to Andrew Malcom’s transcript, here are Schieffer’s questions:
- On the new economics plans this week: “I will ask both of you: Why is your plan better than his?”
- Paraphrasing: What specific programs will you cut in light of the economic crisis?
- Paraphrasing: Do you think you can balance the budget in four years?
- Leadership and the campaign tone: “Are each of you tonight willing to sit at this table and say to each other’s face what your campaigns and the people in your campaigns have said about each other?
- “Why would the country be better off if your running mate became president rather than his running mate?”
- “Would each of you give us a number, a specific number of how much you believe we can reduce our foreign oil imports during your first term?”
- Health care: “Given the current economic situation, would either of you now favor controlling health care costs over expanding health care coverage?”
- Judiciary and abortion: “Could either of you ever nominate someone to the Supreme Court who disagrees with you on this issue?”
- Education: “The U.S. spends more per capita than any other country on education. Yet, by every international measurement, in math and science competence, from kindergarten through the 12th grade, we trail most of the countries of the world. The implications of this are clearly obvious. Some even say it poses a threat to our national security. Do you feel that way and what do you intend to do about it?”
One could claim that a lack of foreign-policy questions hurt McCain, but the two participants agreed weeks ago to focus on domestic-policy issues in this debate. Schieffer stuck to the plan; had a major foreign-policy crisis reared its head in the last few days, he probably would have included it, but it didn’t. I don’t see any particular bias, soft or otherwise, in the question selection or their wording. In fact, I was surprised to hear the issue of abortion raised, although I do notice that gun control didn’t come up …. again.
The first word/last word dynamic is actually rather interesting. In the nine topics, Schieffer gave McCain the first word five times and Obama four. McCain, however, stayed aggressive and got the last word in seven of the nine topics, including this zinger on the last question:
MCCAIN: Because there’s not enough vouchers; therefore, we shouldn’t do it, even though it’s working. I got it.
I didn’t see any clear evidence of bias in Schieffer’s performance. I thought he did a credible job as moderator, probably better than I expected. He managed to keep it lively without excessively interfering in the exchanges.










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Ed, he did keep interupting McCain. That kinda made it a little bitter for me and he never interupted B.O.
upinak on October 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Schieffer did very well. Much better than the others. And he got an abortion question in, which is more than the past moderators can say.
amerpundit on October 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM
Bob was just fine.
Obama won hands-down.
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM
You know, I really have to agree with you. I thought that Schieffer was quite fair. Impressively so.
mcg on October 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM
he did much much much much better than that geeky guy tom brokaw from the last debate that kept interjecting himself
Roger Waters on October 16, 2008 at 1:02 PM
He was the best moderator by far. He let the discussion continue until it got boring.
At one point, Obama shirked as if he had nothing to add, but Schieffer gave him a moment to blather on anyways.
I know I’m biased, but Obama bores the crap out of me. I don’t get why people like him so much. Really. Any democrat could and would say the exact same things he says, and be 10 points down in the polls.
lorien1973 on October 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM
Yeah, it wasn’t bad at all. Lehreh did a good job too, but Schieffer didn’t omit the questions that JL did. Ironically, Brokaw looked the worst.
The only thing that could have improved the debate would have been a separate open thread for those of us who have ustream/refresh issues. The first debate in a while I watched sans HotAir.
Spirit of 1776 on October 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM
I call bias because he appeared to hand Obama almost unlimited time to make his response and McCain was getting cut off after at least 3 minutes of talking. Obama was permitted to, for lack of a better term, just run the clock down.
Defector01 on October 16, 2008 at 1:03 PM
If I remember correctly, the audience actually chuckled along with McCain at that comment.
capitalist piglet on October 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Old Hippie Vet on October 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Waaay better. Although, he did interrupt McCain several times during the abortion question. On the whole, great job.
Abby Adams on October 16, 2008 at 1:05 PM
Bob did very well.
YellowDawg on October 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM
I don’t know… My husband and I started timing them, and it seemed that Obama got at least a minute and half longer to speak on some of the responses. Not everytime, but at least 3X.
JAM on October 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Here’s the narrative. Say that it is all a set up. Tell the black community that the economy is bad and the government can’t really do that much about it. When it is bad during a black president’s administration, it will be used as ‘proof’ that blacks can’t handle the job. . . and therefore, no black in the future will be elected because of the poor economy when Obama is in office (and he’ll be blamed for it).
So vote for McCain to lay the blame on him until the economic cycle turns around. Obama will be the joke for any future black politician to want to run for president due to the poor economy.
ThackerAgency on October 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM
I don’t think he did Limey.
upinak on October 16, 2008 at 1:06 PM
Debate: Did Bob Schieffer demonstrate bias?
Yes.
Was it as egregious as that demonstrated by Brokaw, Ifell and the others?
No.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM
Least bias of any of the debates.
I did notice (timed with two stop watches) that Schieffer did hold or stop replies of McCain at two minutes +/- and would let Obama go on for up to three minutes. Overall both candidates got almost the same total cumulative time per question.
jukin on October 16, 2008 at 1:07 PM
I think ending the debate on education, a topic regularly seen as stronger for Dems was the only real issue I had. This let people conveniently forget how overwhelmigly McCain was destroying Obama in the beginning of the debate.
davenp35 on October 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM
As stated, it would have been nice to have a 2nd amendment question.
Sixty million gun owners might have been interested to hear the responses.
Bishop on October 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM
OT: Rush just announced that the FBI is now investigating ACORN for evidence of a coordinated national scam. Be prepared for the FBI to say that they found nothing of a coordinated nature.
ManlyRash on October 16, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Well we just sort of skipped over foreign policy altogether because of the economic melt down. That first debate was suposed to be on that but Obama once again got a pass.
I had C-span on before the debate and Schieffer definitly was biased. He mentioned Russert and how excited they both were over the Democratic Primary and how historic it was blah blah…
But during the debate he was fair enough. I don’t know why McCain didn’t push harder for someone from Fox to do one at least. Although that wouldn’t probably help because Fox is so stupidly serious about he fair and balanced thing they often ended up left as well.
petunia on October 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM
I thought he did a good job. Certainly the best of any before him. Still would have liked a debate with a conservative moderator.
jeanie on October 16, 2008 at 1:09 PM
I understand why many folks here at HA reckon McCain won. The only reason I state otherwise is that I think we’re misreading the standard by which the majority of Americans judge ‘winning’ in these stupid monkey-ass ‘debates’.
I seriously contend that Obama did the better job playing to the dumb masses.
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:10 PM
He was biased because he did not favor Obama. That’s how he worked. Seriously, I thought he did a good job.
Blake on October 16, 2008 at 1:11 PM
Was Bob biased.
To easy,check is track record!
canopfor on October 16, 2008 at 1:11 PM
I thought Schiefer was a plus for McCain:
1) he more or less forced McCain to speak about the Ayers issue, while Tom Brokaw was careful to avoid such questions; and
2)for once, McCain was not the oldest guy at the debate.
james23 on October 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM
The consensus seems to be that Schieffer was quite a moderate(Impartial) moderator> Is this the reason most feel that McCain did much better than in the previous two debates?
Lucm on October 16, 2008 at 1:12 PM
Obambam got full screen much more than Johnny Mac. John was relegated to the split screen during his answers much more than “The One.” But that came from the director / network.
Griz on October 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM
not sure on that either. I have a liberal friend who doesn’t usually talk politics with me. She called me up and said that Obama was acting like a tard and that he kept going back to say the exact same thing McCain said but twist it at the end.
Now this person is also a HUGE tree hugger. But we have been friends since grade school. If she is saying this to me, it makes me wonder how other liberals and democrats are thinking. My Friend was not happy about Obama at all.
upinak on October 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Schieffer did pretty well, Brokaw was terrible.
Speakup on October 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM
Question totally aimed to discredit Palin. His follow up was “Is your running mate qualified right now to be president.”
CanadianGuy on October 16, 2008 at 1:15 PM
I don’t think McCain knows Obama’s weaknesses very well. I kept expecting McCain to blast him over his FAILED education policies in Chicago. Obama had 50 million dollars to invest in education and all that money mattered not one iota.
Obama’s judgement on education policy should have been totally trashed by his record but McCain either didn’t know enough about it or just didn’t have the guts to go for it.
petunia on October 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Yea I know it’s sad…. because this does not help with Obama’s first class intellect and first temperament…..
So I say phuey!!
Mcguyver on October 16, 2008 at 1:16 PM
Ed, sorry to be off topic as usual, but wanted to speak my piece on general impressions of the debate. McCain is a strong steel sword forged and formed through the heat and pounding of many experiences and trials. Obama is one of those plastic Star Wars light sabers. I wonder if people notice the difference. It looks bleak for our side. I’ve come to admire McCain a lot more in these last couple of weeks. Of course, I just love Sarah Palin. He does have an outside shot of winning, and I believe with Palin he would inspire people to lift up the country, to fight, to help others, and not just want to take whatever they can for themselves from the government pie. To me, McCain and Palin are both very highly admirable people. I think they’re both great. Despite disagreements I have with many of McCain’s positions.
Paul-Cincy on October 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM
I think McCain did a good job putting Obama on the defensive.
Obama even threw out his favorite, “I agree with John”, line several times.
John won by making Obama eat his own words which Obama lied about.
Kini on October 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM
No Second Amendment questions throughout these entire series of debates…wonder why?
doubleplusundead on October 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM
He cut off McCain far more often and sooner than he did Obama.
Have someone put a stopwatch on him.
drjohn on October 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM
I wasn’t looking at it from a perspective of McCain getting cut off. To me it meant he was getting the last word and Obama didn’t get a chance to say any more about it. If Bob had cut McCain off to let Obama talk about it some more, I would have felt differently.
There were time limits on the discussion and Bob could not have let the discussion of any topic go on forever without breaking the rules.
backwoods conservative on October 16, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Raciiiiiiist.
Spirit of 1776 on October 16, 2008 at 1:18 PM
new gallup daily…
McCain down by TWO in Likelies, 49-47
McCain gains a point in Registered, down by 6. 49-43
Gallup’s “pro obama super freaky likelies” only has McCain down 6, 51-45
MACMENTUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
battleoflepanto1571 on October 16, 2008 at 1:19 PM
Interesting observation.
Is your treehugger friend smarter than the average bear though?
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:19 PM
bob did fine, imo.
trailortrash on October 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Schieffer was better than the others. His bias was more subtly expressed.
He did let Osama Obama yammer on even though the “answers” were non-responsive and, in some cases, unintelligible. Likewise, he shut McCain down a time or two.
Worse — at least from my point of view — is that he stopped argument on points where Obama was clearly about to be slapped down big-time. We don’t need to “move on” when a moment of truth is at hand.
Still, Schieffer was better than the other “moderators.” Which just shows how badly skewed to the wacko left the media really are.
MrScribbler on October 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM
Maybe so, maybe so. I certainly is interesting to see everyones’ perspectives.
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:20 PM
I still think Lehrer did an excellent job.
But Schieffer was better for this reason: More than any of the other moderators, Schieffer vanished into the background.
He asked the questions forcefully, took control of the clock, and then GOT OUT OF THE WAY.
It was about the two candidates, and not at all about him.
Tom Brokaw looked like an egomaniacal jerk — I’d love to see the comparative word count between Brokaw and the two candidates. I’d bet he was a very close third.
Gwen Ifill actually managed to become the news story leading up to her debate. Gross incompetence.
Schieffer is a great interviewer for the same reason. He asks just enough to get the ball rolling — to get the interview subject talking — and then he lets them talk.
I really would have liked to have had Schieffer be Sarah Palin’s first MSM interview —- but I suppose they couldn’t do that, with him being a debate moderator and all.
ClintACK on October 16, 2008 at 1:21 PM
One could claim that a lack of foreign-policy questions hurt McCain, but the two participants agreed weeks ago to focus on domestic-policy issues in this debate. Schieffer stuck to the plan; had a major foreign-policy crisis reared its head in the last few days, he probably would have included it, but it didn’t.
Yeah, making pate out of AQ’s number two guy in Iraq wouldn’t be worth mentioning in a debate where one of the candidates… oh, never mind.
/sarc
Y-not on October 16, 2008 at 1:22 PM
http://www.gallup.com/poll/111211/Gallup-Daily-Obama-49-McCain-43.aspx
down to 2 in likelies…
battleoflepanto1571 on October 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Which made this a good debate. The problem with the Brokaw debate was that one candidate spoke, then the second candidate spoke, and there was no counter-rebuttal, which gives a huge advantage to the second candidate.
In the last debate, Schieffer did allow two or three rounds back and forth, so that both candidates could be rebutted on anything they said.
On the split-screen, I noticed that McCain was sometimes jotting down little notes while Obama was speaking. Maybe McCain doesn’t have a photographic memory, but it means he was listening to Obama, ready to pounce on any error/half-truth/flagrant lie coming out of Obama’s mouth. Overall, a good strategy, and he didn’t have the chance to do that during the Brokaw debate.
Steve Z on October 16, 2008 at 1:24 PM
Schieffer was pretty even handed. Light years better than the other 3. He didn’t make the debate about himself. You could almost forget he was at the table once he asked the question.
Future moderators would do well to study his performance
Iblis on October 16, 2008 at 1:25 PM
Schieffer was better than any of the others, by a lot. I was pleasantly surprised, given his affiliation with CBS.
Mr. D on October 16, 2008 at 1:26 PM
I gotta say I watched the whole thing and didn’t catch any wisp of bias in the air coming from Schieffer.
I just didn’t like the fact that there was no hint of foreign policy during the discussion. Also maybe its just me but for once I thought the debate was a little short. Unlike the first two debates, It was a good and entertaining night. So when he said this is the final question I remember thinking “come on”.
titus_pullo on October 16, 2008 at 1:27 PM
I see where you’re coming from, I think.
I’d agree that if you asked most people who “won the debate”, superficially they might say Obama.
But this isn’t about looking good at the debate — it’s about shaping how viewers see the two candidates and advancing the themes and story lines that lead to your victory.
McCain advanced his story. Obama played defense and avoided making a major gaffe.
We’re going to be talking about Joe the Plumber nationally for much of the next week. That’s a huge win for McCain. Obama is hoisted on his own petard — he’s on tape telling a small business owner that he’d rather take away his money to redistribute it than let him expand his business and create jobs.
That’s a killer.
And we’re talking about it because McCain brought it up so many times at the debate that Obama had to bring it up in response. They both talked about it — that makes it news.
So, yes, Obama may have won (or at least held his own) on the narrow parameters of the night — but McCain won the far more important victories, advancing the themes and stories that he needs to advance over the next two weeks in order to win the Presidency.
Remember what McCain said: Obama doesn’t understand the difference between tactics and strategy.
Obama may have won some of the tactical fights (like lying eloquently about Ayers and ACORN), but McCain’s strategic victories far outweigh these in the final analysis.
I really didn’t have high hopes for a McCain candidacy — he was my third or fourth choice in the primaries.
But he has impressed the heck out of me in the last month.
ClintACK on October 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM
She is smart but NO common sense. She is also a Biologist.. so she has been like this most of her life. Spacy, yet nice. So when she said that to me last night I was actually surprised.
Marine_Bio this isn’t a hit towards you. Most of the Biologists I work with are spacy and have no common sense.
upinak on October 16, 2008 at 1:31 PM
Bob was best of the bunch, by far.
petefrt on October 16, 2008 at 1:31 PM
And remember…
These numbers don’t yet include any bump from last night’s debate or from Joe the Plumber.
In the Rasmussen numbers — check out the split among those who are certain which candidate they are going to vote for: 41%-41%, dead even. Again, before Joe the Plumber, and with ACORN just starting to pick up steam.
It’s been painful following the polls for the last two weeks. It’s about to get fun again.
ClintACK on October 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I was surprised by how well Bob did.
The Sunday morning after Palin was named as the VP candidate, Bob kept asking the same question “What qulifications does she have to be VP, or even POTUS, someday?” He asked several conservatives who answered him definitively that yes, she is very qualified based on her experience, which Obambi doesn’t have. He wasn’t satisfied until he asked David Brooks the same question and Brooks was just the limp wristed liberal doofus he is.
So he surprised me last night, even letting McCain get in the majority of last words, cutting Obambi off several times to go on to the next question.
AubieJon on October 16, 2008 at 1:32 PM
I would bet you a moose steak dinner on it, but you’re too bloody far away to collect! ;)
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:37 PM
Nothing Bob Schieffer could have done would have made McCain look less old. His war wounds count for NOTHING to many stupid viewers, so he will always lose debates to Obama who has led a much easier life.
Speedwagon82 on October 16, 2008 at 1:38 PM
I agree, Bob did a great job. Part of that is due, however to the format: This time, the candidates could really blabber on for a while.
And as for the lack of 2nd Amendment questions, I think in a post-Heller world, much of the debate is settled. Even the Brady Bunch admits things have changed.
ExUrbanKevin on October 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I actually commented to my wife on his last question when I heard it:
I was a bit surprised he predicated the question with the comment about the high education spending that already exists. Typical lib question would have glossed right over that.
Bob was fine. McCain has nobody to blame but himself for all the missed opportunities.
forest on October 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM
What surprised me most during the debate was when McCain started talking about pro-life issues. That was outstanding, and I wonder why McCain doesn’t do it more often.
I mean, I knew McCain was pro-life, but there were those idiotic rumors out of Arizona to the contrary. Any doubts I had about McCain have completely vanished. I’m perfectly fine with the federalist position, it’s the one that would be in effect if it wern’t for a looney interventionist court.
BKennedy on October 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM
I thought Shieffer did just fine.
I did notice he let Obama go on and on and on though…
Oink on October 16, 2008 at 1:39 PM
Was I the only one who gave Obama the finger everytime he looked directly into the camera lens?
I concur. But it’s like saying I’m glad I have herpes, and not AIDS.
fogw on October 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM
I thought he actually slanted the questions to favor McCain.
Sir Andrew on October 16, 2008 at 1:40 PM
*cough* FTFY
This nation should be a confederacy.
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:42 PM
Hey, I resemble that remark!
I guess in the oil industry you’re working with field biologists, ecologists, etc… is that right? They do tend to be bearded, flannel-wearing males who sleep with their grad students…
(Y-not cringes, waiting for deserved slap upside her head)
Go to a med school or research university and meet some biophysicists…
Y-not on October 16, 2008 at 1:43 PM
There was one time Bob interupted McCain on the justices question right after McCain said he wouldn’t impose a litmus test and Bob interupted him asking “you dont want to overturn Roe v Wade”. Thought that was rude as McCain answered that by not requiring a litmus test and was an attempt by Bob to say “You’re a wacko conservative”.
Zaggs on October 16, 2008 at 1:45 PM
It was at one point. After we kicked you Limeys out we had the Articles of Confederation as our initial government structure. Unfortunately it made federal power too weak with basically no enforcement ability and collapsed before we got the Constitutional Republic we have today.
BKennedy on October 16, 2008 at 1:46 PM
Bob was ok, a significant improvement over Ifill or Brokaw certainly. However, his questions showed some bias also. Asking about Sarah’s readiness for the Presidency for one. The judges issue ending up on the debate abortion debate rather than eminent domain or gun rights is another.
RobertCSampson on October 16, 2008 at 1:47 PM
No offense taken. I don’t fit the mold, but you’re observation is fairly accurate across the various disciplines in biology. Lab oriented disciplines like cellular biologists tend to be less flakey than the field oriented like marine biology, but I have no idea why.
Marine_Bio on October 16, 2008 at 1:52 PM
I was ready to hate Scheiffer’s performance. But… I couldn’t. I think he did a pretty fair deal and the fact that he actually brought up abortion and Supreme Court Justices puts him head and shoulders over the other three libtards who’ve moderated.
Sugar Land on October 16, 2008 at 1:52 PM
Sadly, the “constitutional republic” of today almost resembles nothing of the constitutional republic that replaced the Confederation.
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 16, 2008 at 1:53 PM
There’s confirmation if you ever asked for it. Same observation from people of different disciplines.
Marine_Bio on October 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM
More than one way to skin a cat
I kept switching channels.. and noticed that CNN in particular often showed Obama in a “presidential” pose – speaking directly to the camera, full face forward, wide screen, confident -no McCain in sight – and McCain as often as possible only in split screen with Obama on at the same time.
Paul Murphy on October 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM
lol Yes, I did study the history of the country I was moving to. Unlike most Americans, it seems.
A Constitutional Republic we are and always have been, however, the consolidation of federal powers (post States’ War) has radically shifted this country away from confederacy and solidly into an overbearing federalized union.
Not good. The vision of the Founding Fathers have been abandoned….well, maybe Hamilton would be pleased….
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 1:54 PM
Ding ding ding…
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Schieffer was by far the best moderator. I liked the set up of sitting and being close.
I think McCain missed some opportunities, he could have at several times looked over at Obama and said “I don’t consider that a laughing matter, you may think it is funny, but the American people don’t (or the baby that was killed doesn’t)”.
right2bright on October 16, 2008 at 1:57 PM
Y’know, for a guy that wanted McCain to say things ‘to his face’, once they were nose-to-nose he certainly seemed to be having some sphincter troubles at times.
All mouth and trousers.
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 2:00 PM
I think the question was fair, I just think McCain could have answered it better. She was the only one with executive experience, she has managed the national guard and understands the military better then Obama, and yes she is different, she is not an “insider” to the insider politics and that scares the Washington elite, but she isn’t scared of them.
right2bright on October 16, 2008 at 2:02 PM
The moderator was fine. Obama lost by a wide margin. The MSM is simply afraid to admit it.
kanda on October 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM
I though Bob was by far the best. Jim Lehrer (sp?) was next. Brokaw was third (though his acting was far worse) and Iffil dead last (undisclosed financial bias rendered her completely impotent to keep candidates on track).
EconomicNeocon on October 16, 2008 at 2:11 PM
Obama had the response to McCain all set up. They (McCain) let Obama prepare, then never served him the softball.
Instead he caught him with the “you should have ran 4 years ago”.
He had Obama on his heels the whole debate, Obama was expecting something else.
Obama was looking for the “shiny object”.
right2bright on October 16, 2008 at 2:17 PM
Schieffer did well by getting the two to go back and forth rather than having side-by-side speeches.
Shieffer is usually quite good. Whoever decided to replace him with Couric at the anchor desk shouldn’t be in the news business.
dedalus on October 16, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Of course, he was a straight shooter and that has no place in Equal Opportunity Politics.
He was great, and I only wish he wore his trench coat.
Hening on October 16, 2008 at 2:18 PM
Hannity should have moderated.
ROFL.
Constant Parrhesia on October 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM
And yet, when Lundtz did his usual post-debate focus group stuff this morning, he had a bunch of folks singing Obama’s praises.
One dumb shit was talking about how he liked the way Obama was about ‘giving’ – he didn’t know what he was ‘giving’, but he liked him anyway.
Another dumb shit spoke about how she liked the idea of Obama ‘spreading the wealth’ so he can ‘give’ everyone healthcare.
With shaved apes like these, who needs a constitution?
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 2:20 PM
By far the best of the four moderaters. He especially contrasted with and put Brokaw to shame.
Goodale on October 16, 2008 at 2:30 PM
Tried it, it didn’t work. Worse then not working, it was disastrous.
Spirit of 1776 on October 16, 2008 at 2:32 PM
I thought Schieffer did a fine job. I wasn’t timing it or anything but it did seem like he let Obama ramble on a little bit. Maybe he was just trying to figure out what the heck he was trying to say (I know I was).
thevastlane on October 16, 2008 at 2:33 PM
A tad superficial, but if you’re happy…..
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 2:34 PM
I think it’s like the difference between chefs and pastry chefs. (Pastry chefs have to measure their ingredients.) Cell biologists, biochemists, biophysicist, etc deal with things on a microscopic and atomic scale so they tend to be precise (or A-retentive) and more like physical scientists and engineers.
Having said that, it may be cliche but “some of my best friends” are ‘real’ biologists (animal behaviorists, ecologists). My favorite scientist studies chickadee language. Cool stuff. (Yes, he has a beard.)
Y-not on October 16, 2008 at 2:35 PM
What further facts would you like? The confederation was so bad, the founders concluded the very idea was fundamentally flawed if the nation were to survive.
Spirit of 1776 on October 16, 2008 at 2:42 PM
Yes there was clear bias in one question.
Yes they want to play up the “inexperience” slant again even though Sen. McCain’s running mate has more experience then Sen. Obama himself.
JeffinSac on October 16, 2008 at 2:45 PM
True, but the poles show differently. All most undecided needed is a reason to vote for McCain, and he gave them that reason. It is not that he “won” the debate, he gave many people a reason to vote, where Obama was basically the same.
right2bright on October 16, 2008 at 2:46 PM
I thought he was so obviously fair that the title of the post–which comes off as rhetorical–risks making HotAir look silly and reflexive.
DaveS on October 16, 2008 at 2:49 PM
All COOL biologists have to sport a beard to get some kind of street cred.
Heh, I grew mine so that I would look older (Lots of grey in the beard) and be taken more seriously.
Marine_Bio on October 16, 2008 at 2:49 PM
He’s been the best debate moderator so far. It’s just not saying much.
manwithblackhat on October 16, 2008 at 2:51 PM
Hey, you already had street creds with me! All this time, I assumed you were a marine. I’m not sure what I thought the bio part was — so much for non-spacey biophysicists — doh!
Y-not on October 16, 2008 at 2:59 PM
Not really. They concluded that they needed to rebuild the constitution in order to strengthen the fabric of the confederacy. The weak confederate bonds of the original Articles were identified as being responsible for the breakdown. Merely calling something a ‘confederacy’ and expecting it to magically ‘work’ is not enough, surprisingly. Given that America was such a radical experiment I’m hardly surprised they had such a snafu.
Even when the new consitution was penned and ratified, the architecture it represented was still essentially a confederacy. Pro-federalist influence was strong, and led to a far greater role for the central federal government, nevertheless, the principles of confederation were still enshrined in federal limitations per the 9th & 10th amendments – leading to the concept commonly known as “states’ rights”, the fundamental vestiges of confederacy, which were pretty much annihilated after the States’ War.
It’s a complex history, and simply saying “confederacy = bad, federal union = good” really misses the mark.
LimeyGeek on October 16, 2008 at 3:03 PM
Amusing as it would have been, we neeeeeeeeeever would have heard the end of it!
*eats*
Grue in the Attic on October 16, 2008 at 3:06 PM
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